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Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Sharp right turn ()
Date: June 07, 2013 06:35AM

Sharp right turn

Last week, just a few hours after Virginia Republicans finalized their ticket for governor, lieutenant governor and attorney general, a couple of dissatisfied members of the party, including former McLean legislator Vince Callahan, the longest-serving Republican member of the Virginia House of Delegates, scheduled a conference call to highlight “how the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia.”

We have to agree.

We are disturbed by the trio’s extreme social views but are equally uneasy about the economic plan that Ken Cuccinelli has put forward and on which he will do most of his campaigning. Even Cuccinelli apparently realizes that running on his record as a cultural warrior who doesn’t win too many battles is a little too dicey, so he is going to accentuate his economic views in the coming months.

The GOP gubernatorial candidate has said, if elected, he will reduce the individual income tax rate, eliminate or reduce the Business Professional Occupational License (BPOL) Tax, the Machine and Tool (M&T) Tax and the Merchants Capital (MC) Tax – all while maintaining local government revenue, which will be quite a feat – and reduce the corporate income tax.

All of this chopping and cutting and hewing will presumably so entice businesses looking for a place to hang a shingle that we will make up the missing funds in no time — no, our coffers will be running over with excess funds.

Not that we will invest them in any services, mind you, because Cuccinelli has promised that government spending will not rise more than is called for by population growth and inflation.

Additional investment in education? No way.

Health care? Social services? Not a chance.

Additional spending to improve transportation? Not on your life.

It’s hard to forget Cuccinelli’s initial opposition to the increase in transportation funding that the General Assembly recently passed and Gov. McDonnell signed into law.

Despite Cuccinelli’s lack of success in taking on President Obama, specifically over health care, the new attorney general candidate has gone as record as seeing his central job duty as continuing the fight to oppose the president.

“If the president is not going to be restrained by Congress, then it is up to the attorneys general to stand up and to take the fight to the administration,” Sen. Mark Obenshain said back in February.

Earlier this year, Obenshain supported the so-called Boneta Bill, which, in our estimation, represented a misguided attempt to take land-use decisions out of the hands of local government — and represented the same kind of government overreach with which President Obama is accused.

He opposed gun control efforts in the wake of last year’s mass killing in Newton, Conn., and similar shootings in other parts of the nation, efforts that he called a “misguided response to recent events.”

Obenshain has said he would take a very close look at law enforcement’s use of drones because “Our founding fathers would have never dreamed of the possibility of unmanned flying devices that could be used to somehow invade the privacy of their citizens,” he said.

Apparently, our founding fathers were able to envision automatic assault weapons, however, and put them under permanent protection by the Second Amendment.

As for the nomination of the Rev. E.W. Jackson for lieutenant governor, we are speechless.

Nevertheless, there is a silver lining. Jackson has demonstrated that hard work on the campaign trail can, indeed, make up for a slim treasure chest.

The Democrats are up next. Unfortunately, they don’t seem poised to make our hearts beat faster, either.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Concerned Parents ()
Date: June 07, 2013 07:08AM

They just might be.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Nota Commie ()
Date: June 07, 2013 07:28AM

They're too conservative for all you lazy, limo lib commies who want a nanny state govt run by billionaire dictators.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Ham Sandwich ()
Date: June 07, 2013 07:36AM

Nota Commie = ImA Nazi

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Not either ()
Date: June 07, 2013 10:08AM

Ham Sandwich Wrote:
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> Nota Commie = ImA Nazi

Nazi = National Socialist = Republican?

Don't think so.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: June 07, 2013 10:28AM

No. I predict that whatever problems voters may have with certain policies espoused by GOP statewide candidates, most of those candidates will still do well at the polls.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Jess1 ()
Date: June 07, 2013 10:36AM

"Boneta Bill, which, in our estimation, represented a misguided attempt to take land-use decisions out of the hands of local government"
The Times/Patch editors are either flat out lying or simply fools. The "BB" was proposed to do just the opposite....


"The bill gives persons engaged in agricultural operations a cause of action against the county or any official or employee of the county for violations of the Right to Farm Act."

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Puddin Taint ()
Date: June 07, 2013 10:43AM

Earlier this year, Obenshain supported the so-called Boneta Bill, which, in our estimation, represented a misguided attempt to take land-use decisions out of the hands of local government — and represented the same kind of government overreach with which President Obama is accused.

Seriously?

Martha Boneta gained national attention last year for being threatened with fines for hosting a birthday party at her farm for eight 10-year-old-girls without a permit. She ended up paying $500 to appeal these charges brought by a testy bureaucrat with an agenda, who actually said on record that Martha was "out of line" for appealing. And bureaucrats wonder why people despise them.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/01/farm_bureau_turns_against_small_farmers_on_boneta_bill.html#ixzz2VXdEo1Ee

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Pathetic ()
Date: June 07, 2013 12:35PM

Of course, they're too extreme for Virginia - or anywhere else for that matter. Cuccinelli would set Virginia back a hundred years, which is exactly where he wants us to be. The same morons that will vote for this guy are the first with their hands out for the services and benefits that he will slash. It's truly sad that the GOP views these clowns as credible candidates.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Low Information Voters ()
Date: June 07, 2013 12:37PM

Nota Commie Wrote:
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> They're too conservative for all you lazy, limo
> lib commies who want a nanny state govt run by
> billionaire dictators.

This, folks, is your average GOP voter. God help us.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: conVince ()
Date: June 07, 2013 12:39PM

Pathetic Wrote:
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> Cuccinelli would
> set Virginia back a hundred years, which is
> exactly where he wants us to be.

As opposed to your korrupt demokrat B.Hussein.Obama administration, which has set us back 29 years, to 1984 specifikally.

I hope the blowback will be huge, as a nation we need to stop the rampant trampling on the United States Constitution. The only way to do that is to vote demokrats out of government.

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twitter @EyeAmU

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Alinskeee ()
Date: June 07, 2013 12:55PM

Bengahzi, IRS, AP, and now Verison. Your pointing fingers and calling the GOP names to deflect is getting old. Even the group-thinking sheep are having a difficult time with it.

It really is time for a new tactic.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Liberal Logic 09 ()
Date: June 07, 2013 02:01PM

Pathetic Wrote:
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> Of course, they're too extreme for Virginia - or
> anywhere else for that matter. Cuccinelli would
> set Virginia back a hundred years, which is
> exactly where he wants us to be. The same morons
> that will vote for this guy are the first with
> their hands out for the services and benefits that
> he will slash. It's truly sad that the GOP views
> these clowns as credible candidates.


The only thing thats truly sad is your post.

Cuccinelli is too "extreme" but holds an office that he won a state wide election for, great analysis

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Colleen ()
Date: June 07, 2013 06:01PM

Before I can answer the OP's question, I have to ask my nanny, the State, what extreme means.

I'll get back to you....

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Curmudgeon ()
Date: June 07, 2013 06:26PM

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As opposed to your korrupt demokrat B.Hussein.Obama administration, which has set us back 29 years, to 1984 specifikally.

I hope the blowback will be huge, as a nation we need to stop the rampant trampling on the United States Constitution. The only way to do that is to vote demokrats out of government.

dude, you seriously think the dems are more 1984 than the republicans would have been? did you wake up from a coma sometime after 2008?

props for the 29 years comment though -- that was nicely done.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Young Curmudgeon ()
Date: June 07, 2013 06:28PM

Nota Commie Wrote:
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> They're too conservative for all you lazy, limo
> lib commies who want a nanny state govt run by
> billionaire dictators.

Tell me, why do the most conservative states get the most in federal aid?

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Easy Answer ()
Date: June 07, 2013 06:42PM

Young Curmudgeon Wrote:
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> Nota Commie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > They're too conservative for all you lazy, limo
> > lib commies who want a nanny state govt run by
> > billionaire dictators.
>
> Tell me, why do the most conservative states get
> the most in federal aid?

Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-Co

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Yeah, you fail ()
Date: June 07, 2013 06:46PM

Young Curmudgeon Wrote:
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> Nota Commie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > They're too conservative for all you lazy, limo
> > lib commies who want a nanny state govt run by
> > billionaire dictators.
>
> Tell me, why do the most conservative states get
> the most in federal aid?


WaPo doesn't think so....

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/06/research_desk_responds_do_cons.html

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: A little confused ()
Date: June 07, 2013 06:51PM

conVince Wrote:
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> Pathetic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cuccinelli would
> > set Virginia back a hundred years, which is
> > exactly where he wants us to be.
>
> As opposed to your korrupt demokrat
> B.Hussein.Obama administration, which has set us
> back 29 years, to 1984 specifikally.

You mean when Reagan was president? I thought you were anti-Obama.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Get Educated ()
Date: June 07, 2013 06:57PM

A little confused Wrote:
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> conVince Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Pathetic Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Cuccinelli would
> > > set Virginia back a hundred years, which is
> > > exactly where he wants us to be.
> >
> > As opposed to your korrupt demokrat
> > B.Hussein.Obama administration, which has set
> us
> > back 29 years, to 1984 specifikally.
>
> You mean when Reagan was president? I thought you
> were anti-Obama.

You've never read a book, have you? I bet you've never had a library card.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Misleading ()
Date: June 07, 2013 06:57PM

Yeah, you fail Wrote:
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> Young Curmudgeon Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Nota Commie Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > They're too conservative for all you lazy,
> limo
> > > lib commies who want a nanny state govt run
> by
> > > billionaire dictators.
> >
> > Tell me, why do the most conservative states
> get
> > the most in federal aid?
>
>
> WaPo doesn't think so....
>
> http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/0
> 6/research_desk_responds_do_cons.html

You left out the important part:

Addendum: Some commenters suggested that joemomma1 actually meant to ask whether it's true that Republican states are more likely to get more in federal expenditures than they pay in taxes. This is, in fact, true; nationally Republican states West Virginia and Alaska and swing state New Mexico have the highest expenditure to tax burden ratio, while New Jersey and Connecticut have the lowest, with California and New York not far behind.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Reading Comp ()
Date: June 07, 2013 07:01PM

Misleading Wrote:
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> Yeah, you fail Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Young Curmudgeon Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Nota Commie Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > They're too conservative for all you lazy,
> > limo
> > > > lib commies who want a nanny state govt run
> > by
> > > > billionaire dictators.
> > >
> > > Tell me, why do the most conservative states
> > get
> > > the most in federal aid?
> >
> >
> > WaPo doesn't think so....
> >
> >
> http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/0
>
> > 6/research_desk_responds_do_cons.html
>
> You left out the important part:
>
> Addendum: Some commenters suggested that joemomma1
> actually meant to ask whether it's true that
> Republican states are more likely to get more in
> federal expenditures than they pay in taxes. This
> is, in fact, true; nationally Republican states
> West Virginia and Alaska and swing state New
> Mexico have the highest expenditure to tax burden
> ratio, while New Jersey and Connecticut have the
> lowest, with California and New York not far
> behind.


That does nothing to address Young Curmudgeon's assertion.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Jess1 ()
Date: June 07, 2013 07:07PM

"Republican states West Virginia "

Really? WV is "republican"?

Tell me, exactly how many Republican Governors, Senators, and Representatives have been elected in WVa?

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Chairman Mao ()
Date: June 07, 2013 07:38PM

I endorse Terry Mac. He's a solid communist, a born liar, and is sure to help continue the destruction of the USA.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Dont GoDem ()
Date: June 07, 2013 07:41PM

Why is it that the states with the highest rates of unemployment, crime, bankruptcy, and taxes are all run by liberal democrats? Why does anyone in their right mind ever vote democrat, unless they're on the dole?

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Hitler for Cuccinelli ()
Date: June 07, 2013 07:51PM

I endorse Herr Cuccinelli 100%.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Open eyes ()
Date: June 07, 2013 08:17PM

"Why is it that the states with the highest rates of unemployment, crime, bankruptcy, and taxes are all run by liberal democrats? Why does anyone in their right mind ever vote democrat, unless they're on the dole?"



States with highest unemployment and who is running the state:

#1 Nevada: Republican governor named Sandoval
#2 Illinois: Democratic governor named Quinn
#3 Mississippi: Republican governor named Bryant
#4 California: Democratic governor Brown
#5 North Carolina: Republican governor McCrory
#6 Rhode Island: Democratic governor Chafee


It appears that linking "liberal Democrats" to unemployment doesn't really wash. I have a feeling that your statement about Hrime and bankruptcy rates would come up with a similar lack of relationship. Maybe what you need to be asking is whether the Democrats and Republicans are really so much different from each other in terms of affecting unemployment, crime, and bankruptcy rates (along with other things).

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Misleading ()
Date: June 07, 2013 08:39PM

Reading Comp Wrote:
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> Misleading Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yeah, you fail Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Young Curmudgeon Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Nota Commie Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > They're too conservative for all you
> lazy,
> > > limo
> > > > > lib commies who want a nanny state govt
> run
> > > by
> > > > > billionaire dictators.
> > > >
> > > > Tell me, why do the most conservative
> states
> > > get
> > > > the most in federal aid?
> > >
> > >
> > > WaPo doesn't think so....
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/0
>
> >
> > > 6/research_desk_responds_do_cons.html
> >
> > You left out the important part:
> >
> > Addendum: Some commenters suggested that
> joemomma1
> > actually meant to ask whether it's true that
> > Republican states are more likely to get more
> in
> > federal expenditures than they pay in taxes.
> This
> > is, in fact, true; nationally Republican states
> > West Virginia and Alaska and swing state New
> > Mexico have the highest expenditure to tax
> burden
> > ratio, while New Jersey and Connecticut have
> the
> > lowest, with California and New York not far
> > behind.
>
>
> That does nothing to address Young Curmudgeon's
> assertion.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that I'd have to explain it to you. Baby steps...

"Addendum: Some commenters suggested that joemomma1
actually meant to ask whether it's true that
Republican states are more likely to get more in
federal expenditures than they pay in taxes. This
is, in fact, true;"

This means that red states generally take out more than they pay in.

States receiving the most federal funding per tax dollar paid:
1. New Mexico: $2.63
2. West Virginia: $2.57
3. Mississippi: $2.47
4. District of Colombia: $2.41
5. Hawaii: $2.38
6. Alabama: $2.03
7. Alaska: $1.93
8. Montana: $1.92
9. South Carolina: $1.92
10. Maine: $1.78

Well, lookie here! Only three of these states are blue - and DC isn't even a state. The rest are Honey Boo Boo territory. Don't conservatives usually call the kind of people who live in those other states "moochers" and "deadbeats"? Or does that just apply to liberals and black people?

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Misleading ()
Date: June 07, 2013 09:07PM

Misleading Wrote:
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> This means that red states generally take out more
> than they pay in.
>
> States receiving the most federal funding per tax
> dollar paid:
> 1. New Mexico: $2.63
> 2. West Virginia: $2.57
> 3. Mississippi: $2.47
> 4. District of Colombia: $2.41
> 5. Hawaii: $2.38
> 6. Alabama: $2.03
> 7. Alaska: $1.93
> 8. Montana: $1.92
> 9. South Carolina: $1.92
> 10. Maine: $1.78
>
> Well, lookie here! Only three of these states are
> blue - and DC isn't even a state. The rest are
> Honey Boo Boo territory. Don't conservatives
> usually call the kind of people who live in those
> other states "moochers" and "deadbeats"? Or does
> that just apply to liberals and black people?

If you had actually read the entire peace of article written in 2012 from mother jones website you would have seen these figures where from tax 2005.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Oh Boy... ()
Date: June 07, 2013 09:30PM

Misleading Wrote:
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> Misleading Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > This means that red states generally take out
> more
> > than they pay in.
> >
> > States receiving the most federal funding per
> tax
> > dollar paid:
> > 1. New Mexico: $2.63
> > 2. West Virginia: $2.57
> > 3. Mississippi: $2.47
> > 4. District of Colombia: $2.41
> > 5. Hawaii: $2.38
> > 6. Alabama: $2.03
> > 7. Alaska: $1.93
> > 8. Montana: $1.92
> > 9. South Carolina: $1.92
> > 10. Maine: $1.78
> >
> > Well, lookie here! Only three of these states
> are
> > blue - and DC isn't even a state. The rest are
> > Honey Boo Boo territory. Don't conservatives
> > usually call the kind of people who live in
> those
> > other states "moochers" and "deadbeats"? Or
> does
> > that just apply to liberals and black people?
>
> If you had actually read the entire peace of
> article written in 2012 from mother jones website
> you would have seen these figures where from tax
> 2005.

"Peace of article"? Spelling and grammar aren't your strong suits, are they? What's your point? If anything, it's probably gotten worse since 2005.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Young Curmudgeon ()
Date: June 07, 2013 09:43PM

Misleading Wrote
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> If you had actually read the entire peace of
> article written in 2012 from mother jones website
> you would have seen these figures where from tax
> 2005.

Inflation has gone up since 2005. So the figures have likely increased.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Hitler for Cuccinelli ()
Date: June 07, 2013 10:11PM

I especially approve of his position on discrimination against gays. Reminds me of the good old days of the Reich. As governor he will be able to do so much more. Sieg Heil!

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Lies, damn lies, and stats ()
Date: June 07, 2013 10:50PM

Misleading Wrote:
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> This means that red states generally take out more
> than they pay in.
>
> States receiving the most federal funding per tax
> dollar paid:
> 1. New Mexico: $2.63
> 2. West Virginia: $2.57
> 3. Mississippi: $2.47
> 4. District of Colombia: $2.41
> 5. Hawaii: $2.38
> 6. Alabama: $2.03
> 7. Alaska: $1.93
> 8. Montana: $1.92
> 9. South Carolina: $1.92
> 10. Maine: $1.78
>
> Well, lookie here! Only three of these states are
> blue - and DC isn't even a state. The rest are
> Honey Boo Boo territory. Don't conservatives
> usually call the kind of people who live in those
> other states "moochers" and "deadbeats"? Or does
> that just apply to liberals and black people?


You're an idiot. They are "red" only in voting in specific given elections. Which change over time. Want to know what doesn't change?

1. New Mexico: $2.63 - Tons of poor and illegals
2. West Virginia: $2.57 - Tons of poor and old folks of all colors
3. Mississippi: $2.47 - Tons of poor and old mostly black folks and no wealth to offset that in the average
4. District of Colombia: $2.41 - Tons of black folks
5. Hawaii: $2.38 - Tons of poor folks
6. Alabama: $2.03 - Tons of poor and old mostly black folks and no wealth to offset that in the average
7. Alaska: $1.93 - Bunch of po' folks and those with transient incomes
8. Montana: $1.92 - ? Who knows. Likely more just a function of the numbers relative to the population for low populous states.
9. South Carolina: $1.92 - Tons of poor and old black folks
10. Maine: $1.78 - ? Who knows. Likely just a function of the numbers relative to the population for low populous states.

The politics change year-to-year, election-to-election, and place-to-place within the states. The demographics don't. And that's what drives the numbers.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Misleading ()
Date: June 07, 2013 11:18PM

Lies, damn lies, and stats Wrote:
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> Misleading Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > This means that red states generally take out
> more
> > than they pay in.
> >
> > States receiving the most federal funding per
> tax
> > dollar paid:
> > 1. New Mexico: $2.63
> > 2. West Virginia: $2.57
> > 3. Mississippi: $2.47
> > 4. District of Colombia: $2.41
> > 5. Hawaii: $2.38
> > 6. Alabama: $2.03
> > 7. Alaska: $1.93
> > 8. Montana: $1.92
> > 9. South Carolina: $1.92
> > 10. Maine: $1.78
> >
> > Well, lookie here! Only three of these states
> are
> > blue - and DC isn't even a state. The rest are
> > Honey Boo Boo territory. Don't conservatives
> > usually call the kind of people who live in
> those
> > other states "moochers" and "deadbeats"? Or
> does
> > that just apply to liberals and black people?
>
>
> You're an idiot. They are "red" only in voting in
> specific given elections. Which change over time.
> Want to know what doesn't change?

What the hell does that mean? Are you trying to say that Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, and the others don't consistently vote for conservative candidates? Yeah, right.

> 1. New Mexico: $2.63 - Tons of poor and illegals
> 2. West Virginia: $2.57 - Tons of poor and old
> folks of all colors
> 3. Mississippi: $2.47 - Tons of poor and old
> mostly black folks and no wealth to offset that in
> the average
> 4. District of Colombia: $2.41 - Tons of black
> folks
> 5. Hawaii: $2.38 - Tons of poor folks
> 6. Alabama: $2.03 - Tons of poor and old mostly
> black folks and no wealth to offset that in the
> average
> 7. Alaska: $1.93 - Bunch of po' folks and those
> with transient incomes
> 8. Montana: $1.92 - ? Who knows. Likely more
> just a function of the numbers relative to the
> population for low populous states.
> 9. South Carolina: $1.92 - Tons of poor and old
> black folks
> 10. Maine: $1.78 - ? Who knows. Likely just a
> function of the numbers relative to the population
> for low populous states.

Again, what's your point? 'Poor (white) folks' vote Republican, largely because they're afraid of their counterparts - poor black folks.

> The politics change year-to-year,
> election-to-election, and place-to-place within
> the states. The demographics don't. And that's
> what drives the numbers.

Demographics change all the time. Northern Virginia now represents about one-third of the state. And the Deep South will always be conservative - at least until they are dragged kicking and screaming into this century. Which won't be any time soon.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Lies, damn lies, and stats ()
Date: June 08, 2013 12:08AM

Misleading Wrote:
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> Lies, damn lies, and stats Wrote:
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> > Misleading Wrote:
> >
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>
> What the hell does that mean? Are you trying to
> say that Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, and
> the others don't consistently vote for
> conservative candidates? Yeah, right.
>


It means that you're a dumbass who bought into some bogus political bs that was circulated during the election. Which has been shot down about a million times and different ways.

First of all, you're basing it on presidential electoral results. Look at it on a district, state, local or other levels and you'll see entirely different colors versus designation as singularly "red" or "blue" states. That further obscures where most of the aid goes in each state. If you took the time to look, then you'd see, for example, a distinct blue band which runs through the middle of SC, GA, AL, and MS which coincides with where most of that aid goes. Which is to relatively more rural and poor and more black areas of the states which largely are Dem controlled.

Second, most of the states listed, whether red or blue, have relatively smaller, older, and more poor populations and relatively smaller industrial bases. It has nothing at all to do with their politics, and everything to do with the demographics and economics. It's not so much that there are more "takers" there, it's more that there is not a large enough population of younger and more wealthy to offset that lower end as there tend to be in other areas. If you look at the numbers on an absolute dollar basis, then aid to a single large city like NYC blows away whole states. They simply have a large enough population and industry otherwise to counter that and make the average look better.

Third, there's a whole range of issues with what's considered to be taking versus giving (e.g., military spending, etc.).

And on and on...

Bottom line, it's complete bullshit.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: conVince ()
Date: June 08, 2013 12:15AM

Open eyes Wrote:
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> States with highest unemployment and who is
> running the state:
>
> #1 Nevada: Republican governor named Sandoval
> #2 Illinois: Democratic governor named Quinn
> #3 Mississippi: Republican governor named
> Bryant
> #4 California: Democratic governor Brown
> #5 North Carolina: Republican governor McCrory
> #6 Rhode Island: Democratic governor Chafee
>
>
> It appears that linking "liberal Democrats" to
> unemployment doesn't really wash.

Restate the above using whatever source for unemployment numbers you used, except with population unemployed. Then add them up and tally under demokrat and Republican governors. Post your source when you do it, and let us see if we kan't draw a linkk.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Liberal Logic 09 ()
Date: June 08, 2013 01:53AM

Yahoo seems to disagree with their best and worst run states. The only red state on the worst list is Arizona who gets killed by illegal immigration.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-best-and-worst-run-states-in-america-150415625.html

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 08, 2013 05:03AM

Even these Republicans know Cuccinelli and Jackson are the worst ticket this state has ever seen and can be deemed certifiably insane. To them, a little insanity never hurt no one.

The problem is there has been a coup through convention by Virginia Republicans disenfranchising Republican primary voters and you see the results. Yes, they even disenfranchise themselves on occasion but they don't seem to mind for some reason. Kind of weird.

Lt. Governor Bolling would have won and been the pick of primary voters.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Mongo Lloyd ()
Date: June 08, 2013 06:56AM

Liberal Logic 09 Wrote:
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> Yahoo seems to disagree with their best and worst
> run states. The only red state on the worst list
> is Arizona who gets killed by illegal immigration.
>
>
> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-best-and-worst-r
> un-states-in-america-150415625.html


Look at easy answer's post above. That's is the answer. Blacks, Native American Indians, hispanics and other mongoloid races drag down a state. Sorry, that's just the truth.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Marion Barry ()
Date: June 08, 2013 07:02AM

Every large city in the USA run by liberal democrats is a shitfest of crime, corruption, unemployment, high taxes, and decay.

Wonder why?

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Reading Comp ()
Date: June 08, 2013 11:41AM

Misleading Wrote:
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> Reading Comp Wrote:
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> > Misleading Wrote:
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> --------------------------------------------------
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> > -----
> > > Yeah, you fail Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
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> >
> > > -----
> > > > Young Curmudgeon Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Nota Commie Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > They're too conservative for all you
> > lazy,
> > > > limo
> > > > > > lib commies who want a nanny state govt
> > run
> > > > by
> > > > > > billionaire dictators.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tell me, why do the most conservative
> > states
> > > > get
> > > > > the most in federal aid?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > WaPo doesn't think so....
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/0
>
> >
> > >
> > > > 6/research_desk_responds_do_cons.html
> > >
> > > You left out the important part:
> > >
> > > Addendum: Some commenters suggested that
> > joemomma1
> > > actually meant to ask whether it's true that
> > > Republican states are more likely to get more
> > in
> > > federal expenditures than they pay in taxes.
> > This
> > > is, in fact, true; nationally Republican
> states
> > > West Virginia and Alaska and swing state New
> > > Mexico have the highest expenditure to tax
> > burden
> > > ratio, while New Jersey and Connecticut have
> > the
> > > lowest, with California and New York not far
> > > behind.
> >
> >
> > That does nothing to address Young Curmudgeon's
> > assertion.
>
> Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that I'd have to
> explain it to you. Baby steps...
>
> "Addendum: Some commenters suggested that
> joemomma1
> actually meant to ask whether it's true that
> Republican states are more likely to get more in
> federal expenditures than they pay in taxes. This
> is, in fact, true;"
>
> This means that red states generally take out more
> than they pay in.
>
> States receiving the most federal funding per tax
> dollar paid:
> 1. New Mexico: $2.63
> 2. West Virginia: $2.57
> 3. Mississippi: $2.47
> 4. District of Colombia: $2.41
> 5. Hawaii: $2.38
> 6. Alabama: $2.03
> 7. Alaska: $1.93
> 8. Montana: $1.92
> 9. South Carolina: $1.92
> 10. Maine: $1.78
>
> Well, lookie here! Only three of these states are
> blue - and DC isn't even a state. The rest are
> Honey Boo Boo territory. Don't conservatives
> usually call the kind of people who live in those
> other states "moochers" and "deadbeats"? Or does
> that just apply to liberals and black people?

Your long winded self aggrandizing explanation aside, it still does NOTHING to address Young Curmudgeon's assertion. For someone who fancies himself an intellectual juggernaut, you really are quite the dullard.

Young Curmudgeon made no contention whatsoever about federal aid vis-a-vis tax contributions. Further, are you contending that military expenditures constitute federal aid?

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Misleading ()
Date: June 08, 2013 01:43PM

Reading Comp Wrote:
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> Your long winded self aggrandizing explanation
> aside, it still does NOTHING to address Young
> Curmudgeon's assertion. For someone who fancies
> himself an intellectual juggernaut, you really are
> quite the dullard.

> Young Curmudgeon made no contention whatsoever
> about federal aid vis-a-vis tax contributions.
> Further, are you contending that military
> expenditures constitute federal aid?

My 'long winded self aggrandizing(?) explanation' was intended to provide a different perspective on aid to the states. YC said "Tell me, why do the most conservative states get the most in federal aid?" Strictly speaking, that is not true. Happy? But they do generally get more money than they put in, sometimes a great deal more.

And yes, I realize that this issue is more nuanced than either of these perspectives. My intent was to show that there is more than one way of looking at things, which conservatives don't seem to get. They're like a dog with a bone when they fixate on something.

In any case, this has gotten way off topic. The fact remains that Cuccinelli and his running mates would be a disaster for Virginia. We'd be the laughingstock of the country.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Political Sciencist ()
Date: June 08, 2013 04:19PM

Non-whites = decay of Western civilization. Be it at the neighborhood level, the city level, the county level, the state level or the country level, it's the same no matter where. Being the voting base of the democrat party, decay goes hand and hand with liberal government. Bank!

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: GOP bigots show up again ()
Date: June 08, 2013 04:44PM

Political Sciencist Wrote:
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> Non-whites = decay of Western civilization. Be it
> at the neighborhood level, the city level, the
> county level, the state level or the country
> level, it's the same no matter where. Being the
> voting base of the democrat party, decay goes hand
> and hand with liberal government. Bank!


Hilarious, considering northern virginia is the only livable part of Virginia, and is also the most diverse part of Virginia. You fucktards live in a strange world where reality doesn't quite come through huh?

Glenn Beck Yucky24, just off yourself if you are so unhappy. I thought after the election you said you were moving to Spain anyway. Leave already you little bigot cunt

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Reading Comp ()
Date: June 08, 2013 06:44PM

Misleading Wrote:
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> Reading Comp Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Your long winded self aggrandizing explanation
> > aside, it still does NOTHING to address Young
> > Curmudgeon's assertion. For someone who
> fancies
> > himself an intellectual juggernaut, you really
> are
> > quite the dullard.
>
> > Young Curmudgeon made no contention whatsoever
> > about federal aid vis-a-vis tax contributions.
> > Further, are you contending that military
> > expenditures constitute federal aid?
>
> My 'long winded self aggrandizing(?) explanation'
> was intended to provide a different perspective on
> aid to the states. YC said "Tell me, why do the
> most conservative states get the most in federal
> aid?" Strictly speaking, that is not true. Happy?
> But they do generally get more money than they put
> in, sometimes a great deal more.

Which is completely irrelevant to YC's assertion.


> And yes, I realize that this issue is more nuanced
> than either of these perspectives. My intent was
> to show that there is more than one way of looking
> at things, which conservatives don't seem to get.
> They're like a dog with a bone when they fixate on
> something.

LOL. Your point was to take a swipe at conservatives and when you got called on it, you ran for this lame excuse.


> In any case, this has gotten way off topic. The
> fact remains that Cuccinelli and his running mates
> would be a disaster for Virginia. We'd be the
> laughingstock of the country.

Your right, let's vote for a slimeball like McAuliffe. Nobody will laugh at us then! Dems tried this lame culture war shit four years ago. It'll be as successful as it was then. LOL.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Misleading ()
Date: June 08, 2013 07:59PM

Reading Comp Wrote:
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> > My 'long winded self aggrandizing(?) explanation'
> > was intended to provide a different perspective on
> > aid to the states. YC said "Tell me, why do the
> > most conservative states get the most in federal
> > aid?" Strictly speaking, that is not true. Happy?
> > But they do generally get more money than they put
> > in, sometimes a great deal more.
> Which is completely irrelevant to YC's assertion.

You just can't let it go, can you? See 'dog with a bone'.

> > And yes, I realize that this issue is more nuanced
> > than either of these perspectives. My intent was
> > to show that there is more than one way of looking
> > at things, which conservatives don't seem to get.
> > They're like a dog with a bone when they fixate on
> > something.
>
> LOL. Your point was to take a swipe at
> conservatives and when you got called on it, you
> ran for this lame excuse.

I didn't get 'called on it' and I make no excuses. But thanks for telling me what I was thinking. You people are good at that.

> > In any case, this has gotten way off topic. The
> > fact remains that Cuccinelli and his running mates
> > would be a disaster for Virginia. We'd be the
> > laughingstock of the country.
>
> Your right, let's vote for a slimeball like
> McAuliffe. Nobody will laugh at us then! Dems
> tried this lame culture war shit four years ago.
> It'll be as successful as it was then. LOL.

McAuliffe is far from an ideal candidate, but ANYONE is better than Cuccinelli. Even the saner conservatives recognize that Cuccinelli is a terrible choice. And 'this lame culture war shit' is critically important to a lot of us, especially women. I grew up in a time when discrimination against women and sexual harassment were the norm, and I refuse to allow you troglodytes to drag us back there (and you would if you could). The GOP's hatred of women is palpable. As is their thinly veiled hatred of blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, and gay people.

You people just can't get it through your heads that your pathetic attempts at putting lipstick on a pig isn't fooling anyone. It's still a pig. And Cuccinelli is a pig.

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: :o) ()
Date: June 08, 2013 09:22PM

GOP bigots show up again Wrote:
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> Political Sciencist Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Non-whites = decay of Western civilization. Be
> it
> > at the neighborhood level, the city level, the
> > county level, the state level or the country
> > level, it's the same no matter where. Being
> the
> > voting base of the democrat party, decay goes
> hand
> > and hand with liberal government. Bank!
>
>
> Hilarious, considering northern virginia is the
> only livable part of Virginia, and is also the
> most diverse part of Virginia. You fucktards live
> in a strange world where reality doesn't quite
> come through huh?
>
> Glenn Beck Yucky24, just off yourself if you are
> so unhappy. I thought after the election you said
> you were moving to Spain anyway. Leave already you
> little bigot cunt


 
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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Hitler for Cuccinelli ()
Date: June 08, 2013 10:50PM

With your help we can establish camps in Strasburg, Shenandoah und Christianburg. Please vote on Tuesday. Sieg Heil!

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Re: Sharp right turn - Is the GOP ticket is too extreme for Virginia?
Posted by: Reading Comp ()
Date: June 08, 2013 11:58PM

Misleading Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Reading Comp Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > My 'long winded self aggrandizing(?)
> explanation'
> > > was intended to provide a different
> perspective on
> > > aid to the states. YC said "Tell me, why do
> the
> > > most conservative states get the most in
> federal
> > > aid?" Strictly speaking, that is not true.
> Happy?
> > > But they do generally get more money than they
> put
> > > in, sometimes a great deal more.
> > Which is completely irrelevant to YC's
> assertion.
>
> You just can't let it go, can you? See 'dog with a
> bone'.

Says the moron that continues to post after he admits his comments were irrelevant. Don't choke on that bone, sport.

> > > And yes, I realize that this issue is more
> nuanced
> > > than either of these perspectives. My intent
> was
> > > to show that there is more than one way of
> looking
> > > at things, which conservatives don't seem to
> get.
> > > They're like a dog with a bone when they
> fixate on
> > > something.
> >
> > LOL. Your point was to take a swipe at
> > conservatives and when you got called on it,
> you
> > ran for this lame excuse.
>
> I didn't get 'called on it' and I make no excuses.
> But thanks for telling me what I was thinking. You
> people are good at that.

Yes you did, which is why you reached for this lame excuse. See your dog with a bone comment earlier if you need further evidence.

> > > In any case, this has gotten way off topic.
> The
> > > fact remains that Cuccinelli and his running
> mates
> > > would be a disaster for Virginia. We'd be the
> > > laughingstock of the country.
> >
> > Your right, let's vote for a slimeball like
> > McAuliffe. Nobody will laugh at us then! Dems
> > tried this lame culture war shit four years ago.
>
> > It'll be as successful as it was then. LOL.
>
> McAuliffe is far from an ideal candidate, but
> ANYONE is better than Cuccinelli. Even the saner
> conservatives recognize that Cuccinelli is a
> terrible choice. And 'this lame culture war shit'
> is critically important to a lot of us, especially
> women. I grew up in a time when discrimination
> against women and sexual harassment were the norm,
> and I refuse to allow you troglodytes to drag us
> back there (and you would if you could). The GOP's
> hatred of women is palpable. As is their thinly
> veiled hatred of blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, and
> gay people.

Yes, the thinly veiled hatred of blacks pushed them to nominate a black guy for Lt.Gov. Way to think that one through, genius.

> You people just can't get it through your heads
> that your pathetic attempts at putting lipstick on
> a pig isn't fooling anyone. It's still a pig. And
> Cuccinelli is a pig.

And he'll win because the Dems put up a shittier candidate than the Cooch. I am not a big fan of Cucinelli, but he is better than McSleazeball.

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