In my kid's elementary school class in Fairfax County, the teacher has a pierced tounge...



Now I am not old and I am not prude, but when the first thing my kid says off the bus their first day of school is about the teacher's tounge that is pierced, I about hit the roof!

I then come to find out, other parents are not pleased, one even pulled their kid out of the class!

A call to the school got me nowhere. There is no dress code for teachers. "Fitting to their environment" was what I was told. Thanks to the Teacher's Union.

A call to FCPS HR, confirmed all this. No policy, I should aim to resolve with the principal. A follow-up call was made and the principal advised me thatthey talked with the teacher and she was supposedly upset by the whole deal. Boo hoo.

I have a reasonable expectation to be able to send my kid to school and have them exposed to a safe and secure place where learning is facilitated. The tounge piercing was reported to me as a distraction. I heard other partents also making comments.

The principal told me not to talk with other parents about this so there was not a mass exit from that classroom. I was assured the teacher is wonderful and while I am not debating that, I know there is a time and place for everything, and a tounge piercing, or any other suggestive piercing should remain OUT of a classroom of a public school, dress code, or not.

I cannot believe a dress code for teachers does not exist. I read the student handbook, and one is in there for sure, if you are a student.

I agree. Kindergarten teachers who play on the floor with kids should wear formal business attire and heels. No wait, sweat suits. No wait, they should wear the same thing a HS shop teacher wears. No wait, they need whistles and high top Jordans. No, no no...maybe the teachers should wear what is fitting to their environment. How novel.

I agree. Is she a younger teacher? Is she good looking? What school does she teach at? I will go over there tomorrow morning and demand to see her belly button to see if a simillar situation exists. I also needd to inspect her for tattoos. We cant be too careful!

Yeah, I would be uncomfortable if my child's elementary teacher had a tongue piercing. I agree it is a distraction, but it also speaks to the teacher's ability to exercise good judgement, and a lack of understanding of their position as a role model to the young children they teach.

I would have less of a problem with it in middle school, and no problem with it all in high school.

We were both out of town for the "meet the teacher" day...

I have found out the teacher is in her mid 20s and has been teaching now for only a couple of years. The principal explained that folks from "that generation" are not as conservative as I might be. Well, I am not that far from "that generation" and do not consider myself overly conservative however, I do know this does not belong in the classroom of a public school. And Yes, at least one tattoo has been spotted, as well.

Still, unreal that there is no dress-code. And apparently, no recourse...

Why don't you home school if you want to protect your kid fron the real world?

BTW, without the "teachers union" there would be no teachers, or very damned few. Not many could satisfy 30 neurotic mommies at the same time.

Since when was a tongue piercing "suggestive"?

I agree it's stupid, but not suggestive.

If she is a good teacher maybe it should be overlooked. You might be trading down if you take your child out.

Your kid is going to be so fucked up if you keep getting them out of every situation that you find to be intensively bad for there mind... I really think this society worries to much about there kids.

tubby Wrote:
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> Why don't you home school if you want to protect
> your kid fron the real world?
>
> BTW, without the "teachers union" there would be
> no teachers, or very damned few. Not many could
> satisfy 30 neurotic mommies at the same time.

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Real World? Give me a break. In the Real World, I get to pick where my kids go and who they hang out with. I stay away from Springfield Mall, and places like that with my family. LOL

I do agree with your closing point about how few there would be without the teacher's union. But that is another thread...

YeeHaw Wrote:
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> Since when was a tongue piercing "suggestive"?
>
> I agree it's stupid, but not suggestive.


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Everybody who we have spoken with at FCPS, knows what virtue that equipment is for, Hardly the place for it in a public school. They just cannot force her to remove it due to the liberal policies in place. Sad.

Rich Wrote:
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> If she is a good teacher maybe it should be
> overlooked. You might be ****trading down**** if you take
> your child out.


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I am afraid you may actually right. Scary...

I used to know a chick that taught kindergarten in a county school, and she had her tongue pierced. This was like 9-10 years ago too, so it's not something new among teachers. I don't think any parent complained about it, either.

And while I'd like to see the tongue-piercing trend go the way of the rotary phone, I don't think it's that big of a deal. It's pretty a pretty common among thing and nitpicking teachers to death about minutiae is probably a bigger distraction to our educational system.

A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:
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> tubby Wrote:
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> > Why don't you home school if you want to
> protect
> > your kid fron the real world?
> >
> > BTW, without the "teachers union" there would
> be
> > no teachers, or very damned few. Not many could
> > satisfy 30 neurotic mommies at the same time.
>
> ______________________________________________
>
> Real World? Give me a break. In the Real World, I
> get to pick where my kids go and who they hang out
> with. I stay away from Springfield Mall, and
> places like that with my family. LOL
>
> I do agree with your closing point about how few
> there would be without the teacher's union. But
> that is another thread...


Yeah, real world....there are screwballs everywhere, not just Springfield Mall. I've seen piercings and tattoos at Tyson's Galleria, that's pretty upscale, is it not?

Personally I think tattoos and piercings are proof that a person is nuts. Use such sightings as an opportunity to tell your kid what NOT to do.

Meeper, I hope this is not distracting, but I do understand the teacher was practically in tears over the request to have a conversation about the matter (as I was told by the principal).

I have not made up my mind about moving my kid to another class. I would rather the teacher do the right thing and remove the piercing. Apparently one, maybe more kids have already left and the principal asked us not to talk with other parents out of worries that more (all?) might leave or make a request to leave her class.

The first thing my kid said, right off the school bus, was about the piercing. And again the next day as well. Said it IS obvious and there.

tubby Wrote:
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> Yeah, real world....there are screwballs
> everywhere, not just Springfield Mall. I've seen
> piercings and tattoos at Tyson's Galleria, that's
> pretty upscale, is it not?
>
> Personally I think tattoos and piercings are proof
> that a person is nuts. Use such sightings as an
> opportunity to tell your kid what NOT to do.

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Fair enough Re: Tysons Corner.


My kid asked why one would want to punch a hole through their tounge for that.

It is tough to come up with any response that would not take away from the respect that my kid should have for their teacher. That is a great deal of my point about this whole deal.

Are you afraid this is your child in the near future?

A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:
>>> The first thing my kid said, right off the school bus, was about the piercing.

It sounds like you need to teach your child to focus on school work instead of what other people are wearing.



>>It is tough to come up with any response that would not take away from the respect that my kid should have for their teacher

How about, "it's a piece of jewelry".

I'd make a call to Dale's office. I think that would solve the situation PDQ.

A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:

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> Everybody who we have spoken with at FCPS, knows
> what virtue that equipment is for, Hardly the
> place for it in a public school. They just cannot
> force her to remove it due to the liberal policies
> in place. Sad.


Seriously !?!? , "everybody knows what that equipment is for" Are you kidding me.. So every one of the thousands of people, man and woman, got it in the context of sexual pleasure? Wow, there must be a lot of dick suckers out there!!

So in your prudish logic, everyone who has a pager must be a drug dealer, and everyone with baggy pants must be a hoodlum and every kid that has a helicopter parent will be screwed up later in life...

Well that last one might have some truth to it....

oh my goodness, should I remove my earrings when I enter my classroom?

More to the point...the teacher's diction is most likely distorted; i.e., most people I've know with an object embedded in their tongue, speak with a lisp. Of course this doesn't help young students learning to speak properly.

I know a few people with pierced tongues and their enunciation is just fine.

Let's hear from the parents that have heard this teacher speech; sometimes the casual listener doesn't pickup on the speech nuances.

In any event, pierced tongues are mostly associated with lower class people and or people of limited culture and education . No wonder the students are shocked!

Having a tongue piercing is allowed under the student dress code.

Srsly, why is it a big deal? Is it really a bad influence on your kid?

I can't imagine a bigger non-issue.

Mom's who flip out about stupid stuff like this end up having kids with way more than their tongues pierced.

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Now I am not old and I am not prude, but when the first thing my kid says off the bus their first day of school is about the teacher's tounge that is pierced, I about hit the roof!

I imagine that if your kid's teacher had a glass eye, or an eye patch, or had some sort of facial deformity, or was missing an ear, a finger, or an arm/leg it would also be the first thing he/she talked about getting off the bus.
So really the issue here is not your kid paying attention. The issue is that you are in fact a prude despite the intro to your post.
If you hadn't made such a big deal about it your kid wouldn't have either.



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its just not something an elementary school teacher should have because they ARE role models.
having your tounge pierced does look cute but it also shows less class and a bit trashy. especially usually when people do have their tounges pierced they stick their tounges out and just look nasty. lol

its like coming to teach young kids with your nipples pierced.
omg, she probably has her clit pierced! whata freak! mmmm

My High school English teacher could not spell.

Now there is one of the VALID reasons to take your kid elsewhere.

Blame the Principal. She should have told this young teacher that a tongue stud is NOT appropriate in a school, or any other professional job.

I saw a waiter at Clyde's fired, in mid lunch rush, for wearing a stud in his tongue. Surely we can expect as much from our teachers as is expected of waiters.

If teachers want to be regarded as professionals, they have to learn to act like professionals. Professionals don't have pierced tongues at work.

KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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> Having a tongue piercing is allowed under the
> student dress code.
>
> Srsly, why is it a big deal? Is it really a bad
> influence on your kid?

It certainly isn't professional appearing. I wouldn't want my lawyer to display a pierced tongue, or my doctor.

Is this teacher a professional, or not? She can't have it both ways.

A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:
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> A call to the school got me nowhere. There is no
> dress code for teachers. "Fitting to their
> environment" was what I was told. Thanks to the
> Teacher's Union.

No, it's not up to the union, it's up to the Principal. She's the boss, she decides what is appropriate in her school. The teacher showed very poor judgment and so did the Principal who hired her and didn't tell her that a pierced tongue is not appropriate for a teacher.
>
> A call to FCPS HR, confirmed all this. No policy,
> I should aim to resolve with the principal. A
> follow-up call was made and the principal advised
> me thatthey talked with the teacher and she was
> supposedly upset by the whole deal. Boo hoo.

Some people don't learn at home what is appropriate and what is not. What a shame this young woman had to be taught this way, but better late than never.

> The principal told me not to talk with other
> parents about this so there was not a mass exit
> from that classroom.

Principals ALWAYS tell parents not to talk to each other. They want the parent to feel isolated, like they are the only parent with the problem, etc. Ask the Principal if she thinks YOU are SO powerful that you could cause a mass exit from the classroom. My guess is, that's already about to happen. The teacher is upset because so many parents have complained. Your principal is terrible to have let this happen. It was her job to have told this clueless young woman that professionals don't wear tongue rings to work. DUH.


> I cannot believe a dress code for teachers does
> not exist. I read the student handbook, and one is
> in there for sure, if you are a student.

What professional job has a 'dress code'? Does someone tell a Doctor what to wear to work? Or a lawyer? If teachers don't know what is appropriate, professional attire, then their boss, the Principal, needs to inform them.

Principals control everything in their little fiefdom. The Principal hired this poor, clueless, woman. It was the Principal who either should not have hired her, or told her want to wear and not wear. The Principal should feel bad about letting his happen. Instead, she's blaming the parents for hurting this young woman's feelings. Don't feel guilty. You parents did nothing wrong, the teacher and the Principal did.

A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:
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> We were both out of town for the "meet the
> teacher" day...
>
> I have found out the teacher is in her mid 20s and
> has been teaching now for only a couple of years.
> The principal explained that folks from "that
> generation" are not as conservative as I might be.
> Well, I am not that far from "that generation" and
> do not consider myself overly conservative
> however, I do know this does not belong in the
> classroom of a public school. And Yes, at least
> one tattoo has been spotted, as well.
>
> Still, unreal that there is no dress-code. And
> apparently, no recourse...

Is the Principal refusing to do anything? She's ignoring the parents? She thinks this teacher looks professional with tattoos and a tongue ring? Gee, why am I not surprised? They don't care, they don't have to.

I would ask that my child be moved to a classroom with a professional teacher. His current teacher is clearly not a professional since professionals don't show up at work like that. If that doesn't work, I would call the cluster boss and then Dale.

What a shame we don't have school choice. If we did, you could move your child to a school where all the teachers were professionals and where Principals only hired professionals.

Neen, because you are a loudmouth whiner, your children may get they teachers that you want, but your kids are going to have no idea how to deal with the real world when they are on their own.

wow... since when did appearance dwindle down everyone's views on how that person is? it's just a goddamn tongue piercing... does that make them less qualified to be in a teachers position than anyone else? they were hired for a reason and "oh jeez" they have a metal bar through their tongue you automatically think "OH MY GOD! this teacher is (pretty much) expressing themselves too much!" now let me guess... you think that the tongue ring is "too sexual for your little baby." They don't even know what the fucking point is to have a tongue ring! Lighten the hell up.

I know a lot of people that have piercings and tattoos but are dedicated in completing their major as an educational teacher because of the fact that they actually want to teach and motivate the younger generation into something more.

No matter what you do, time's are changing and if you think that complaining about this one teachers piercing is really gonna do anything then you are dead wrong. The baby boomers tradition is dying fast (sorry to bring that up). You just have to start realizing that 10 years down the road it's gonna be a whole different story. The faster you realize this, the less pissed off you're gonna be.

Oh and seriously think back to when you were a kid. Do you really think that a metal ball on your teachers tongue would distract you and keep you from learning more than if they didn't have it?

especially since you would have no idea why it's there or what it is in the first place. don't even begin to try to tell me that you would automatically know b/c no parent out there would talk about piercings or tattoos to their kid at an early age. get over yourselves. a student/child learns from the way a teacher teaches and from the methods that they use. whether it's studying a lot or because the teacher makes it fun. their appearances don't counteract how a child learns.

why is it any different than a high profiled lawyer or a government official having tattoos or piercings? are you really that dense to think that they don't have any? you can cover up anything nowadays.

Is the only reason to get a tongue ring to give better head? I don't assume people get these things solely for sexual purposes.

When you meet someone with an unusual trait, the novelty wears off pretty quickly. I doubt something inside of someone's mouth is going to be much of a distraction by the end of the first week.

Complaining to the principal and removing your kid from someone's class just because she has a tongue ring is ridiculous, and it sends the completely wrong message to your kid. Your kid---with the help of good parenting---is going to recognize that the tongue ring is unusual and is something that's going to lead to the teacher's being judged in a different light than others. Your kid should also realize that it is perfectly legal to get a tongue ring and that, in general, snap judgments about character based solely on people's physical appearances are usually unfair and are often not accurate.

These lessons were lost on the lunatic parents in this thread. I hope their kids turn out differently.

Look, I am all for accepting differences. For instance, one year in elementary school, my son had a teacher that was a lesbian. No one had their child switched from her class. She dressed for the elementary school environment, and didn't discuss her sexual preferences with the kids. She was a great teacher and the kids loved her.

But here, we're talking about a sexual piercing -- one that children will be conditioned into accepting as being "ok." I really think this is demonstrative of the teacher's ability to know what is appropriate in the elementary school environmnent. I'm willing to bet there will be many more inappropriate occurrances in her class this year. I hope you report back and let us know.

this thread is dumb. the idea that the piercing is only for sexual reasons is ludicrous. seriously, who gives a shit? if your kid came home saying their teacher was indian (the real kind) with "the red dot" on her forehead would you yank them out of the class because they noticed? your kid wont notice it soon enough. you people are retarded.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Mrs. K said:


>>But here, we're talking about a sexual piercing -- one that children will be conditioned into accepting as being "ok." I really think this is demonstrative of the teacher's ability to know what is appropriate in the elementary school environmnent. I'm willing to bet there will be many more inappropriate occurrances in her class this year. I hope you report back and let us know.>>


a "sexual piercing"? How many elementary school children have intimate knowledge of why someone MAY have a tongue piercing? By the OP making an issue of it, I guess they will now.

Please, there are much more important issues to be concerned with than a tongue piercing.

It's a piece of jewelry, get over it. So what if every adult believes they know the reason she has it, do your kids? Do they care? Are you going to explain it to them? How are you going to explain why you are so upset over a piece of jewelry?

While you may not be so far from her generation, you are indeed horribly close-minded and conservative. You automatically 'hit the roof' because your kid noticed something unusual about the teacher. It wasn't that long ago, parents 'hit the roof' because the teachers wore skirts over their knees, or because they wore walking shorts to school. So, yes, you are out of touch and you are conservative.

Why are you judging her teaching abilities based on her wardrobe? Are you really that shallow?

No, don't answer that. We already know.

A few points of clarification:

Yes, the tongue stud is a distraction that was reported to me. Prior to the day she got off the bus, the subject had never come up. Not age-appropriate for a nine year old.

Yes, others have had similar talks with their kids and some may be pulling their kid out of the class due to the lack of response by FCPS.

No, I am not prude. I am of the mindset that when I send my kids to school, that I have a reasonable expectation that their teachers will act appropriately for an educational setting. Tongue piercings are not appropriate here, period.

Yes, we all know what they are for. If one has one for decoration or jewelry, then they are more of a freak than some would give credit for.

Yes, I expect my kid's teachers to be role models, act appropriately, and provide educational opportunities and stimulation.

Yes, I think the teacher is being very selfish. And probably does not realize the rest of what is wrong with her picture she painted by keeping the piercing in place.

Mrs. K Wrote:
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> Look, I am all for accepting differences. For
> instance, one year in elementary school, my son
> had a teacher that was a lesbian. No one had their
> child switched from her class. She dressed for the
> elementary school environment, and didn't discuss
> her sexual preferences with the kids. She was a
> great teacher and the kids loved her.
>
> But here, we're talking about a sexual piercing --
> one that children will be conditioned into
> accepting as being "ok." I really think this is
> demonstrative of the teacher's ability to know
> what is appropriate in the elementary school
> environmnent. I'm willing to bet there will be
> many more inappropriate occurrances in her class
> this year. I hope you report back and let us know.

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Agreed, on all accounts

Thank you.

I know some teachers that dye their hair.

This is very suggestive and my kids have asked why would any one change the color of their hair????? Other parents have expressed the same concern that this is sending the wrong signal to kids.

I can only guess that this thread was started by a bunch of women that don't know how to give good head and are afraid that there husbands might be turned on at the idea the teacher has a pierced tongue.

Get off your fat asses and go exercise!

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> I know some teachers that dye their hair.

Thats nothing, I was out with my kids and I saw a police officer with a tattoo!
OMG, these guys are supposed to be role models!
Since I have nothing better to do I am going to rally an army of bored housewives to try and get the guy fired.

If I were the parent involved, I would caution myself not to overreact. But an important element of judgment in the workplace is being appropriately aware of the environment in which you work. This teacher fails on this score - because the piercing has now become a distraction to her performing her job - and by any means that job is already difficult enough without introducing needless distractions. Of course, on can harp on the principle that people take such a piercing too seriously and that times are changing and so on, but really to what end? There's a bunch of ways for a teacher to express themselves personally that don't cause trouble, and again, while perhaps not intentional, this person is creating is a selfish distraction. And while reasonable people may disagree, the piercing has sufficient sexual overtones that any teacher ought to stay a million miles a way from it in an elementary school environment. (It takes no imagination to reveal what 5th and 6th grade boys would say about this - I could guarantee it). Again, common sense.

And I agree with Neen's comment about being a professional, she is correct. One of the key elements of being a professional is to be flexible and adaptable, and this teacher, upon hearing that this issue has the potential to dilute her mission to cause students to obtain academic progress, should simply take the darn thing out. Most of us have to do things like this every day - especially with demanding clients and customers. And the notion implied that Neen is overprotecting her kids is completely inapposite. The message is don't use bad judgment at work, and don't fight for issues that are meaningless. Racial discrimination? Fight for that principle and do the right thing? Dishonesty or corruption? Ditto. But tongue piercing?

Regular Poster makes sense.

Someone who thinks that anybody with a tongue ring is automatically dirt and only involved in sexual acts would seem to be very closed minded. I'm sorry that you're freaking out over this teacher, but maybe give her a chance and see how she teaches. She might be a very creative and involved lady. Also aren't we supposed to teach children to "not judge a book by its cover"? Or is that over with? I have a very good friend who teaches preschool in FFX Co, she doesn't have any weird piercings or anything, and dresses approprietly for school. After school though, she's a total freak, alcoholic, and indulges in drugs. She would never do anything to impare herself during school hours, she loves the children too much for that, but it just goes to show that you never know. Leave the poor girl alone, ask the principal to sit in a class one day and watch a class. If she's the spawn of satan and sexual fiend that you make her out to be, fine pull your kid out. Otherwise, drop it and use this as a teaching tool to show that everyone's special in their own way and to try and accept their differences. Better yet, ask your kid if she's nice, if they've learned a lot, did they have fun, that's what's important right?. The times are changing, try to keep up.

A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:
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> Yes, we all know what they are for. If one has one
> for decoration or jewelry, then they are more of a
> freak than some would give credit for.


My 16 year-old daughter told me she wanted one because they "look so cool". I think you'd be surprised at the number of people who get them as an act of suburbanite nonconformity rather than for its sexual enhancement benefits.

That said, one of the many reasons I gave her for NOT letting her get one: "Once you leave college, you'll have a heck of a time finding an employer who wants you for a professional position." THANKS A LOT, FCPS.

She probably gives good head. Do you have any pics?

quantum Wrote:
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> If I were the parent involved, I would caution
> myself not to overreact. But an important element
> of judgment in the workplace is being
> appropriately aware of the environment in which
> you work. This teacher fails on this score -
> because the piercing has now become a distraction
> to her performing her job - and by any means that
> job is already difficult enough without
> introducing needless distractions. Of course, on
> can harp on the principle that people take such a
> piercing too seriously and that times are changing
> and so on, but really to what end? There's a
> bunch of ways for a teacher to express themselves
> personally that don't cause trouble, and again,
> while perhaps not intentional, this person is
> creating is a selfish distraction. And while
> reasonable people may disagree, the piercing has
> sufficient sexual overtones that any teacher ought
> to stay a million miles a way from it in an
> elementary school environment. (It takes no
> imagination to reveal what 5th and 6th grade boys
> would say about this - I could guarantee it).
> Again, common sense.
>
> And I agree with Neen's comment about being a
> professional, she is correct. One of the key
> elements of being a professional is to be flexible
> and adaptable, and this teacher, upon hearing that
> this issue has the potential to dilute her mission
> to cause students to obtain academic progress,
> should simply take the darn thing out. Most of us
> have to do things like this every day - especially
> with demanding clients and customers. And the
> notion implied that Neen is overprotecting her
> kids is completely inapposite. The message is
> don't use bad judgment at work, and don't fight
> for issues that are meaningless. Racial
> discrimination? Fight for that principle and do
> the right thing? Dishonesty or corruption?
> Ditto. But tongue piercing?
>
> Regular Poster makes sense.

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Thank you!


Also, to further clear the record, I am not some heavyweight stay-at-home mom. I am the FATHER. But my wife does agree with me on this. Sorry, no pics. But rest assured, she is not a heavyweight, either.

Also, no pics of the teacher, I have not met with her yet. Back-to-school night is at the end of the month... I will not get pics for FXUG then, either.

I agree with those posters that have mentioned the novelty of the tongue piercing will wear off quickly. You should concern yourselves with the quality of education she provides and not a piece of metal in her mouth.

I also agree that teachers should be role models. However, I see no reason a tongue piercing can prevent the teacher from meeting this requirement. While certainly not a typical piece of jewelry, it is personal expression. By jumping to the conclusion that the piercing is entirely for sexual purposes, I question where your mind is.

Mark my words:
The only thing your kid will learn about this is that tongue rings are the absolute coolest thing in the world and the perfect way to rebel ten years from now.

quantum says:


>>This teacher fails on this score - because the piercing has now become a distraction to her performing her job - and by any means that job is already difficult enough without introducing needless distractions>>


The piercing has become a distraction to her performing her job because PARENTS are making it a distraction. I seriously doubt the kids even care. Yeah, so they noticed it at first. But as long as she is dressed and groomed appropriately and doing her job, who cares about something inside her mouth?

If her face had multiple piercings and her butt crack and clevage were showing, that would be a different story.

Tongue piercings do not always equate to "sexual deviance." One can assume that any role model you select for your children, someone else can find fault with in some shape or form. The best advice is to allow this teacher some time to prove her worth as your child's teacher, because most kids will move onto some other obsession with a week. Next week may lead to something else. The more sheltered a child is, the more they learn on their own or through their friends down the road. You would be doing your child a disservice if you remove them from this classroom because the teacher has a piercing you find unprofessional or distracting. Remember, you opinion is yours, and not always the norm. You may be penalizing your child by removing them from the tutelage of the best teacher available, solely over a piece of metal....

give her a break - maybe she's just looking for a little pre-pubescent action

what is the big deal? Everyone is so, so uptight..geeez. do you really think that automatically makes her a bad teacher? Who gives a shit, if she is a decent teacher who cares. Ever hear, never judge a book by its cover?

It's really going to be a shocker to these parents when they find out some Fairfax teachers are gay.

Yes, that's right a gay guy maybe teaching your kids right now! He may even have a framed picture of him and another man on his desk! Maybe he'll even get flowers from the guy.

Okay, I solved the problem.

I have transferred this teacher to South Lakes High, effective immediately.

Most of you miss the point. Yes, you can dye your hair pink. You can have a three-foot beard. You can be a nonconformist. And middle America will not employ you (unless you're so good or work for a .com entity). The Dress for Success guy had it right: you want decent work and respect, dress appropriately. Ben Franklin said "Eat to please yourself, but dress to please others." Ok, the dim witted teacher with the thing in her tongue can be the individualist (and one wonders how she was hired in the first place). But average American doesn't want nonconformists with split tongues, 50 pierced ear rings, tats, or other odd displays of nonconformity.

Jack Dale Wrote:
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> Okay, I solved the problem.
>
> I have transferred this teacher to South Lakes
> High, effective immediately.

We have seen her credentials, very impressive. We accept her at South Lakes with open arms.

Thank You.

Jimmy Wrote:
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> Most of you miss the point. Yes, you can dye your
> hair pink. You can have a three-foot beard. You
> can be a nonconformist. And middle America will
> not employ you (unless you're so good or work for
> a .com entity). The Dress for Success guy had it
> right: you want decent work and respect, dress
> appropriately. Ben Franklin said "Eat to please
> yourself, but dress to please others." Ok, the
> dim witted teacher with the thing in her tongue
> can be the individualist (and one wonders how she
> was hired in the first place). But average
> American doesn't want nonconformists with split
> tongues, 50 pierced ear rings, tats, or other odd
> displays of nonconformity.

___________________________________________________________

Exactly!

If you want to teach elementary (or any other students), then act right, and play the part.

FCPS said AGAIN, they cannot force the tongue stud out of there. They tried to get a dress code and standards however, the TEACHER's UNION was opposed and it is all about the teacher's rights.

I have a reasonable expectation that I when I send my kid to school, I do not have to explain - or hide the explanations for what the teacher does or says.

I am willing to bet that most, if not all those in favor of letting the matter slide, do not have a job that matters. I have certainly sent folks home for less than a tongue stud. Droopy pants and shirts that one could see through, are two I immediately recall. Anyways, I do not consider myself the moral barometer in all this, but common sense does say the tounge piercing is wrong.

Jack Dale Wrote:
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> Okay, I solved the problem.
>
> I have transferred this teacher to South Lakes
> High, effective immediately.


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Jack,

Thank you. I know you would help. It is appreciated. South Lakes, Ha!!!

A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:
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> I am willing to bet that most, if not all those in
> favor of letting the matter slide, do not have a
> job that matters.

And you would be wrong. Again.

Genevieve Wrote:
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> A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > I am willing to bet that most, if not all those
> in
> > favor of letting the matter slide, do not have
> a
> > job that matters.
>
> And you would be wrong. Again.

_______________________________________

I stand (partially) corrected. Although I did sat most, leaving it open to some extent ;)

I trust you, so you do not have to assure me with an explanation of your chosen career. And I do appreciate everyone who has taken the time to read and/or respond in this thread. Even if you do not agree with me.

WHAT IF THE TEACHER WAS GAY!!!!!!! OMG ALL ARE CHILDREN WILL BE GAY!

Ms W - yes, you are correct - the parents are making it that way. Maybe with good reason, maybe not. Whether the piercing connotes an overtone of sexuality, that is something to which reasonable people may disagree or have differing perceptions. But there's no doubt that it is a distraction, fair or not.

Hence you are willfully missing the point. The piercing has become a distraction. And the teacher already has an incredibly challenging job and it makes no sense to needlessly invite such a distraction. Teaching is difficult enough without making it harder, especially for a young teacher where guile, dedication and brains must make up for a lack of experience.

The vast majority of us working stiffs encounter the same kinds of things in the workplace every day. Individual expression is fine, but to the extent it causes attention to be shorn away from the serious matter of work it has to be modified or adjusted.

This shouldn't be a major issue for the principal - and neither should it be an issue of whether a teacher has a "right" to sport such a piercing. Simply don't wear it in the classroom. The key is that the teachers, like anyone else, should put themselves in the best position to succeed, and this just isn't the way to go about it. One can argue for common sense without being overly reactive or unduly casting negative aspersions about a person - exactly what I believe responsible folks are asserting here.

She should be fired just for being annoying.

People with tongue piercings are annoying sheep-people. Ever notice how they have to stick the thing out like every 5 seconds so you can see it?

Watch next time. It's like a 4 year old screaming "Daddy look! Daddy look! Daddy look what I've got! Daddy! Daddy! Daddy!"

Their screams for attention are so awkward.

trogdor! Wrote:
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> She should be fired just for being annoying.
>
> People with tongue piercings are annoying
> sheep-people. Ever notice how they have to stick
> the thing out like every 5 seconds so you can see
> it?
>
> Watch next time. It's like a 4 year old screaming
> "Daddy look! Daddy look! Daddy look what I've got!
> Daddy! Daddy! Daddy!"
>
> Their screams for attention are so awkward.

I've never noticed any of that.

To the OP -- you said you haven't even met the teacher yet. Maybe you should meet her first before jumping to conclusions based on what other parents are saying and just because your child mentioned it.

Does she flaunt the piercing? Does it affect her speech and ability to be understood?

MsW Wrote:
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> To the OP -- you said you haven't even met the
> teacher yet. Maybe you should meet her first
> before jumping to conclusions based on what other
> parents are saying and just because your child
> mentioned it.
>
> Does she flaunt the piercing? Does it affect her
> speech and ability to be understood?

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From what my child says, it is obvious and a distraction. she said it has clicked on her teeth.

I have yet to meet anyone with a tongue stud that did not have a slur in their speech, or some other distracting factor. It would be hard for me to ask the same without it being a leading question...

Honestly, people need to relax. You should tell your kid that is was her choice... seriously. As long as a persons decisions dont directly affect their ability to perform, let it be. I have tattoos all over my torso... I keep them hidden BECAUSE of people who are so ignorant they cant accept things and people as who they are. I'm studying to become a doctor... heaven forbid I have ink below my skin.. that obviously affects my ability to save your life..

No doubt this tongue piercing is a distraction in the classroom-merely by the fact that all the kids probably stare at her tongue whenever she talks. In addition, kids are heavily influenced by these teachers. My 8th grader last year was obsessed with getting a 2nd and 3rd ear piercing because her middle school art teacher had like 5-6 piercings in one of her ears. My 4th grader could not stop talking about the tatoo above her teacher's a** that was visible because she did cartwheels in the hallway-not sure why????

Kids-particularly girls-get enough negative influences from tv from nuts like Paris and Brittney-we don't need whacky teachers making it worse.

If your kids are so easily influenced, shouldn't they be exposed to (gasp) such horrible things as piercings and tattoos while they are young and still willing to listen to you? So that you can explain why someone may decide to make these choices and what consequences they may have? One day your child will grow up and leave the house - teach them to make good decisions now. Obviously, what you believe to be a good decision will depend on your values.

And once again, it is a distraction because it is new and different. It will wear off (unless you continue to make it an issue). I'm sorry but I just don't understand why this is an issue when other aspects of the teacher's performance as so much more important to your child's education.

Genevieve Wrote:
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> If your kids are so easily influenced, shouldn't
> they be exposed to (gasp) such horrible things as
> piercings and tattoos while they are young and
> still willing to listen to you? So that you can
> explain why someone may decide to make these
> choices and what consequences they may have? One
> day your child will grow up and leave the house -
> teach them to make good decisions now. Obviously,
> what you believe to be a good decision will depend
> on your values.
>
> And once again, it is a distraction because it is
> new and different. It will wear off (unless you
> continue to make it an issue). I'm sorry but I
> just don't understand why this is an issue when
> other aspects of the teacher's performance as so
> much more important to your child's education.


Great post! Why not make it a "teachable moment" rather than making it such an issue.

Don't be such a square, Daddy-o.

MsW Wrote:
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> Genevieve Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If your kids are so easily influenced,
> shouldn't
> > they be exposed to (gasp) such horrible things
> as
> > piercings and tattoos while they are young and
> > still willing to listen to you? So that you
> can
> > explain why someone may decide to make these
> > choices and what consequences they may have?
> One
> > day your child will grow up and leave the house
> -
> > teach them to make good decisions now.
> Obviously,
> > what you believe to be a good decision will
> depend
> > on your values.
> >
> > And once again, it is a distraction because it
> is
> > new and different. It will wear off (unless
> you
> > continue to make it an issue). I'm sorry but I
> > just don't understand why this is an issue when
> > other aspects of the teacher's performance as
> so
> > much more important to your child's education.
>
>
> Great post! Why not make it a "teachable moment"
> rather than making it such an issue.


How right you are!!

Our kids should be exposed to as much smut as possible in the early years!!

I hope the teacher tells the kid about any illegal drug use and maybe about her sex life too!

This way our kids can be exposed at an early age while we still have influence over them

What an unbelievably mindless and stupid argument.

Calling a piercing "smut" and equating it to drug use and sex is about as stupid and mindless as one can get. Maybe it's the 1950's inside your home, but once you step outside you need to realize it's 2008.

Great Idea Wrote:
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>How right you are!!
>
>Our kids should be exposed to as much smut as possible in the early years!!
>
> I hope the teacher tells the kid about any illegal
> drug use and maybe about her sex life too!
>
> This way our kids can be exposed at an early age
> while we still have influence over them
>
> What an unbelievably mindless and stupid argument.
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You are a narrow-minded idiot!

Dude, like wow, can't you see how kewl it is to be pierced? I mean like, man, it takes such great talent to get pierced. And dudes, like, all the best professors at all the most prestigious universities are so completely pierced. Like, just look at the faculty members at Stanford,MIT,Johns Hopkins, Harvard, Caltech and Yale who teach physics, computer science, mathematics, and biochemistry. Dude, they are ALL TOTALLY PIERCED...


Pfffttt..phukkin lowlife morons. Piercing is a desperate cry for attention from those who can not earn it on their own intellectual merits.

Casear - LOL, I don't think that most people that get their tongue pierced are doing so in an effort to make up for lack of intellectual recognition.

Genevieve-LOL I think most people get pierced do so in an effort to get noticed, because without the piercings, they are utterly undistinguished.

Is the teacher in this thread yet?

Did the original poster identify the school?

How many piercings are considered acceptable? 5? 10? 20?

How about full body tatoos? Are they ok with you nuts?

I mean really. I have no problems with ear piercings (for women, that is), but any other body piercings are just plain unprofessional.

Anyone read about the school administrator who suspended the kid for dyeing her hair pink? They said it was a distraction to the "educational mission" of the school. The kid was 12 and her dad had died of cancer and that was her way of honoring him.

Schools seem to be extremely flexible with their employees but play the Zero Tolerance card with students.

Schools have no tolerence for anything. Reciveing a text message from a parent saying that they have to take an emergency business trip and to get a ride from someone else is illegal, and the phone will be confiscated since it is distracting to the edumakashunal mission.

Oh and no wearing hats, its distracting.

Schools these days.

Jimmy Wrote:
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> Most of you miss the point. Yes, you can dye your
> hair pink. You can have a three-foot beard. You
> can be a nonconformist. And middle America will
> not employ you (unless you're so good or work for
> a .com entity). The Dress for Success guy had it
> right: you want decent work and respect, dress
> appropriately. Ben Franklin said "Eat to please
> yourself, but dress to please others." Ok, the
> dim witted teacher with the thing in her tongue
> can be the individualist (and one wonders how she
> was hired in the first place). But average
> American doesn't want nonconformists with split
> tongues, 50 pierced ear rings, tats, or other odd
> displays of nonconformity.

Exactly! With so many people applying to teach in our schools, why did the Principal choose THIS woman, someone who clearly doesn't know what is an appropriate, professional, appearance.

cpl Wrote:
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> Honestly, people need to relax. You should tell
> your kid that is was her choice... seriously. As
> long as a persons decisions dont directly affect
> their ability to perform, let it be. I have
> tattoos all over my torso... I keep them hidden
> BECAUSE of people who are so ignorant they cant
> accept things and people as who they are. I'm
> studying to become a doctor... heaven forbid I
> have ink below my skin.. that obviously affects my
> ability to save your life..

You are SO right to hide that junk. I wouldn't trust someone to save my life who had obviously thought so little of their own body. Please tell us that you are not studying to be a dermatologist.

I totally accept you for who you are, that's why I don't want you for my doctor.

I'm thinking you are in podiatry school.

what school? Wrote:
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> Did the original poster identify the school?
>
> How many piercings are considered acceptable? 5?
> 10? 20?
>
> How about full body tatoos? Are they ok with you
> nuts?
>
> I mean really. I have no problems with ear
> piercings (for women, that is), but any other body
> piercings are just plain unprofessional.
>
> Anyone read about the school administrator who
> suspended the kid for dyeing her hair pink? They
> said it was a distraction to the "educational
> mission" of the school. The kid was 12 and her
> dad had died of cancer and that was her way of
> honoring him.
>
> Schools seem to be extremely flexible with their
> employees but play the Zero Tolerance card with
> students.

Of course! Students have no rights. Teachers do. Why would we expect anything else from public schools? Bureaucracies keep themselves happy. They aren't there for the customer. Why would they be? There's no incentive to care about the students. If you don't like it, tough. "We the public schools, we don't care, we don't have to". Like it, or lump it.

A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:
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>
> If you want to teach elementary (or any other
> students), then act right, and play the part.
>
> FCPS said AGAIN, they cannot force the tongue stud
> out of there. They tried to get a dress code and
> standards however, the TEACHER's UNION was
> opposed and it is all about the teacher's rights.
>
> I have a reasonable expectation that I when I send
> my kid to school, I do not have to explain - or
> hide the explanations for what the teacher does or
> says.

Why would FCPS bother with a dress code for employees? It would only make their jobs more difficult. No one makes a rule that makes things more difficult for themselves, a rule that burdens them with more work. Also, no one can tell a Principal what to do in her/his school. We have 'site based management' in FCPS, meaning Principals can do whatever they want in their school.

Quantum
I don't know if you saw my post to you in the other thread. Congratulations to your daughter! I know you must be very proud. Her achievement may also save you a buck or two in college! Congrats to her, and her parents too.

Wow, I think Neen is the definition of jaded.

Posted by: Neen ()
Posted by: Neen ()
Posted by: Neen ()

OMG one of the redistrictors have escaped!

I think teachers who wear tight tops and bend over exposing tatoos above the bikini line are not exhibiting appropriate work place attire. Same for the spandex maternity skimp top look where some skin shows along with outie buttons.

Neen - you surely jest. Posters have referred to me as a blowhard or stupid, so it is impossible that any of my offspring could reach any height of academic achievement. In fact, I am certain I would be on welfare but for this darn conservative and oh so politically incorrect Midwestern work ethic I picked up in my youth. But your thoughts are nice.

I am horribly offended by the thought that everyone who has a tongue piercing is a sexual "freak."
I have a tongue stud and I have never once performed the sexual act you are speaking of. I have also worked at one of the most exclusive private schools in the area. The parents of our students were Senators, lawyers and doctors and they never once had a problem with my body modifications.
Your shear ignorance of the tattoo and piercing culture makes it known that you and the other parents who have such an issue with this teacher, are starting to date yourselves.
As the mother of a infant I am proud to be tattooed and pierced, and as the wife of a tattooed and pierced TEACHER, I hope the teacher you are treating with no respect understands the mentality of her students is far greater then that of their parents!

Pierced and Proud - Color me skeptical, unless you worked in a hair salon, where shear ignorance (as opposed to the other kind, sheer ignorance) could cause significant customer satisfaction issues.

And I don't know what to think of your reference to physicians, members of Congress and lawyers. Did you neglect to include bill collectors? Or mortgage bankers, and especially those that have somehow managed to lose mega billions even with Government back guarantees? Or is the reference to elitist authority figures designed to make us believe that common sense notions when it comes to jobs and acting professionally are trivial and should be discarded? I don't buy it.

But no matter. If you are authentic, you are willfully missing the point. Of course it is possible that an experienced and well qualified teacher, having once established a solid reputation, could wear any number of things that might cause others to look askance. Experience, reputation and classroom management skill can overcome distractions. But that is not the relevant set of facts here. By all accounts, this is a young teacher - doing one of the hardest jobs around and learning her craft- and the focus should be on the students and their achievement and in that vein, common sense should prevail and this teacher should dress and act in a way that invites the least amount of distraction. But then again, as Neen suggests, if the objective is to make the bureaucracy as comfortable as possible, then common sense and dedication to the workplace while at work just gets in the way.

Sheer... sorry you try spelling when you have been up for 28 hours with a teething 4 month old.

I mentioned that some of the parents are members of congress and lawyers simply due to the fact that it was mentioned that people in those types of professions either do not have these modifications or that they have dress codes. They may but they don't seem to care what their precious children's teachers looked like. I also worked for people who owned their own businesses, worked in I.T. jobs, and even teachers.

I have to add as well MOST PEOPLE don't have common sense!!! It's not just the government.

I felt the need to post because it hurt me to see that this teacher was being judged even before she had a chance to prove herself. I agree 100% that it is one of the hardest jobs around. Both myself and my husband have degrees in education (different fields.) Just because someone has a body modification however does not mean that they do not care for these children above and beyond, and that she will not strive to the best of her ability to make sure they get the education they deserve.

As my mother always said. You can't judge a book by it's cover!

If this teacher didn't want to be judged as a non professional, then she should behave and dress appropriately for her position.

Neen,

Seriously: it's called a 'penis'. Having one inside you will just release that tension and make you a newer, more pliable woman, perhaps even capable of joy and obtaining a brighter, happier future.

I know this mission could be tough, but I hear there are male hookers hanging around Annandale, waiting to provide 'psychological services' to a woman like you.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/22/2008 10:23AM by RESton Peace.

"I have a tongue stud and I have never once performed the sexual act you are speaking of."

There's still time......

I think a big chill pill is called for here. What does having a pierced tongue have to do with being able to teach? I don't have any piercings on my tongue, nose, navel, etc, but who's to say pierced ears aren't bizarre? This teacher could be the smartest person your child will ever be exposed to, but your closed-minded ways are preventing even the chance to see how this person teaches. I think your lack of intelligence is quite ignorant. I would hope there are more important issues going on in the school system that you can get involved in rather than who has a pierced tongue and if it's right or not.

Unbelievable, the teacher has a toung ring get over it. There are a lot of bad teachers out there, and I think its no ones place to judge a teacher on an tounge ring. I had fat teachers, and Indians I could not understand at all. Some kids don't like fat people, you going to go and complain on them. Then those damn Indian teachers that cannot speak English, what a task that makes school.

Take it as a blessing your child got a teacher that can speak english. It's a poor job, getting paid a mediocre salary and having to deal with brats and even worse the overzealous parents and stupid room moms that gosisp over anything such as this. If you do not like this, maybe you should send your child to private school, because I can assure you their are alot of teachers that are worse; and who can blame them having to put up with such shit for such a small salary.

My God, I don't know this poster, but she annoys the hell out of me.

Too bad most of you parents don't have better things to do than freak out over a pierced tongue. Body-piercings, tattoos, etc., do not imply low-class people. I attended a high-end beach wedding a few months ago. Bride/groom/friends in their late 20s and mostly grads of Virginia Tech, now working in professional fields. There were piercings on many of them and lots of tattoos on the backs, shoulders and legs of the young women. Maybe you just don't get out enough to realize how common this is now with younger people.

As far as exposing your kids to sexual attire and people wanting attention -- just walk them down your driveway and point out your neighbors. I'm sure there are plenty of Moms with tight, low-cut tops, short-shorts, and boobs bouncing around as they jog. Be sure to draw attention to the Moms with thin bras that have nipples showing through their tops. Point out the Dads without shirts, showing their gym-hard bodies -- pretty sexy, eh? Likewise, point out the BMW, Mercedes, Acura, Porsche, etc., autos going down the road. A basic plain Chevy will get them where they're going, but they need to draw "attention" to themselves to prove they're successful people. Likewise, the McMansion homes.

Get a life -- and give your kids one, too. Stop being prudes and use regular situations to explain to your children the diversity in the world.

P.S. I'm an almost-60-year-old woman, recently retired from a 37-year professional career, with a six-figure income. I grew up in the 60s and had friends that spread the spectrum of the times, the drugs, the booze, etc. I never did drugs, don't drink, don't smoke and have been married over 30 years. My parents raised us as grounded, open-minded, strong young people -- and taught us not to judge others. We were told that's God's role, at the end of time as we know it. Want to judge someone? Look in the mirror and start there.

I met the teacher the other day. Mid 20s, new at teaching. I still do not know enough about her qualifications to say if she is a good teacher or not, that is not my point.

She spoke very strangely. Her lips moved, but her teeth remained closed. Clearly, she did not want me to see the piercing! Go ahead and close your teeth and try to speak intelligently. Not going to happen. You will come across like you a speech problem and I can now see why this is a distraction. Again, this is a DISTRACTION to the learning process.

For those who claim to accept this, I honestly doubt you would if it were your kid and their learning. But whatever, maybe you really do, and since you think that a tongue piecing does not have a sexual meaning, you probably just tell your neighbors that the sheep you keep in your closet are to remind you of the farm you grew up on. Again, whatever... I guess we'll read about your behavior in the papers.

Times are a changin'

We need pictures!

To: A Regular Poster Here,

You seriously have personal issues. Now you're implying that someone with a "speech problem" would be a distraction in the classroom. Does that mean you feel that anyone with physical or mental limitations should return to the days of "out-of-sight, out-of-mind" -- go back into hiding? God forbid they are in the classroom with your child(ren) or you deal with them in the workplace or public settings.

The "sheep" comment just shows where your mind dwells. Maybe the parents of children who are in school with your child(ren) should be looking a bit closer at you and keep their kids far, far away. The pierced-tongue teacher may be the least of their problems.

Truly FCPS must be great if this is the biggest complaint that can be mustered.

Our dregs are G&T students in 90% of public school systems. Virginia universities have to establish quotas to give students from other parts of the state a chance to get in.

The teacher chooses to keep her mouth closed - it was her choice to sound the way she did. Get it?

A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:
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>
> She spoke very strangely. Her lips moved, but her
> teeth remained closed. Clearly, she did not want
> me to see the piercing!

Hmmm, I wonder why? Oh yeah, maybe because you complained to her boss?

>
> But whatever, maybe you really do, and
> since you think that a tongue piecing does not
> have a sexual meaning, you probably just tell your
> neighbors that the sheep you keep in your closet
> are to remind you of the farm you grew up on.
> Again, whatever... I guess we'll read about your
> behavior in the papers.

I really don't understand what is wrong with you. You seem to have some weird obsession with sexual deviancy... to the point where you create it where it does not exist. Perhaps you have some skeletons in your closet.

The teacher was probably biting her tongue to keep from calling you a complete fat ass moron. Learn how to give your husband a BJ and stop feeling so threatened.

A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:
>> I honestly doubt you would if it were your kid and their learning.


I can't believe your child is not embarrassed that you are acting like this. Seriously.

For the FXUG folks that cannot read:

The teacher has no clue I inquired about the piercing. I met her by chance when I dropped something off at the school.

Not a fattie housewife, I am 6 ft tall, 225 lbs. I am fit and married - but am a husband, not a wife...

For the rest of the recap, RIF.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:
> >> I honestly doubt you would if it were your kid
> and their learning.
>
>
> I can't believe your child is not embarrassed that
> you are acting like this. Seriously.

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Actually, I think I will let it go. Liberal Fairfax County has spoken through the dozen people or so in this thread, who think it is fine to have a tongue piercing, maybe more, and prance around in front of a bunch of elementary kids like this should be accepted.

Interesting...

A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:

>
> Actually, I think I will let it go. Liberal
> Fairfax County has spoken through the dozen people
> or so in this thread, who think it is fine to have
> a tongue piercing, maybe more, and prance around
> in front of a bunch of elementary kids like this
> should be accepted.
>
> Interesting...


I'm not a liberal. However, if that label keeps me from being lumped in with your wacko mindset, okay with me!

A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:
> Liberal Fairfax County

Yeah, maybe there's room for you in Loudoun or Prince William, although I heard they voted Dem in 2005 and 2006. Maybe Fauquier, Warren, or Frederick Counties are more your style, since Rappahannock is probably too liberal for your tastes.

A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:
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> Actually, I think I will let it go. Liberal
> Fairfax County has spoken through the dozen people
> or so in this thread, who think it is fine to have
> a tongue piercing, maybe more, and prance around
> in front of a bunch of elementary kids like this
> should be accepted.
>
> Interesting...

Damn gun toting liberals on this board!

>> lumped in with your wacko mindset

Dude, you're the one having a friggin' hissy fit about a piercing- you're in no position to tell others they are "wacko".

What kind of a man are you?

Are you fucking deranged???? You stupid NAZI cow, when was the last time you had your head examined??? What EXACTLY is WRONG with a pierced tongue? HOW is it "suggestive". A child seeing a person, in authority, with pierced tongue is going to percieve something he/she shouldn't??? How exactly??? Unless YOU, as a dumbass mother, tell your child that piercing is wrong, he shouldn't have get effected by it. I have kids, and shits like you are an excellent example of how I DO NOT wanna raise my kidsn like you!!!! People like your make me sick.


A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:
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> Meeper, I hope this is not distracting, but I do
> understand the teacher was practically in tears
> over the request to have a conversation about the
> matter (as I was told by the principal).
>
> I have not made up my mind about moving my kid to
> another class. I would rather the teacher do the
> right thing and remove the piercing. Apparently
> one, maybe more kids have already left and the
> principal asked us not to talk with other parents
> out of worries that more (all?) might leave or
> make a request to leave her class.
>
> The first thing my kid said, right off the school
> bus, was about the piercing. And again the next
> day as well. Said it IS obvious and there.

To the regular poster here...,

You might wanna consider moving out of Fairfax county. You'll fit right in, in the South or even PW county.

Since most now are posting without readingmuch, if any of the thread, I think it is pointless to keep pushing this forward expecting support.

For those who keep telling themselves a tounge piercing is anything but wrong in a grade-school classroom at a public school, good luck with your kids, I'll stick to being conservative and live far away from the MTV generation that is so well embraced these days.

Moving to PW county would be laughable. The trash that is typically (still) found in that county would not only accept tounge piercings, but I am sure they have programs in middle school on how to get child care for their kids, and food stamp 101.

I should have expected that the South Lakes crowd here would also have little to offer for support on this. It is probably a prerequisite of faculty to have piercings there. Maybe now, I am sterotyping...

I do judge books by their covers. If you do not think it happens all the time, you have not been out much in the real world (not the MTV show you so embrace, either).

I have told my kid that piercig is wrong. But cited the health reasons for such. I have heard other parents have begun to pull their kids from the class in response to their own inquiry over the matter. I am sure it is just my values, Ha!

A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:
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> Since most now are posting without readingmuch, if
> any of the thread, I think it is pointless to keep
> pushing this forward expecting support.
>

You can't seriously think you were going to get a preponderance of support, can you?

When, in the history of recorded time, has anyone with so trivial an axe to grind as this one, ever found "support" in an internet user group?

You didn't come here looking for support. Just agreement. For a few bored schmucks who would briefly entertain your fantasy of leadership. You wanted to pat yourself on the back, even if for a fleeting moment, because you managed to distract JerkyEater and MasterDebater from their XBox 360 long enough to grunt approvingly in your direction.

Go interact with the three-dimensional people for a while, "Dad." Sounds like you need it.

Better yet, volunteer somewhere. People less well off than the residents of FFC could probably use a conversation partner (and Lord knows you love your own rhetoric), and it might actually teach you something about what's important in life.

Yes...God forbid an educator teaching pronunciation to children be able to sound out the phoneme of the letters of the alphabet correctly.

KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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> Having a tongue piercing is allowed under the
> student dress code.
>
> Srsly, why is it a big deal? Is it really a bad
> influence on your kid?


It basically says, "Hey, I like to suck dicks or lick pussies! I'm different in that I'm trendy and whorish."

I find it almost disturbing the attention that this is getting. As crazy as it may sound to you right-wing neurotics, there ARE people out there who get piercings and tattoos, simply because they are "body art." It's just ridiculous that these parents are making such a big deal over something that really shouldn't have any bearing on your judgment of this teacher.

So if there were another teacher who conformed to the typical teacher dress code/code of conduct/etc., but was a horrible teacher, that would somehow be better? I can't understand that logic. As long as your child is getting a satisfactory or better education, what's the problem?

I am a mother of two and, granted, I am still a young mother, I still don't see a problem with a teacher having their tongue pierced. What happened to freedom of expression? Are artists not going to be able to paint pictures with nude subjects next? Doesn't this seem silly to you? I have two tattoos, both which are very easy to hide, but I didn't get them to hide them. In my professional career, I would be offended if asked to cover them up. It is art in my eyes, nothing more.

You ridiculous over-protective parents are what's wrong with this country. Teach your children what's right and wrong and someone with a metal barbell through their tongue shouldn't be an issue.

A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:
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> Since most now are posting without readingmuch, if
> any of the thread, I think it is pointless to keep
> pushing this forward expecting support.
>
> For those who keep telling themselves a tounge
> piercing is anything but wrong in a grade-school
> classroom at a public school, good luck with your
> kids, I'll stick to being conservative and live
> far away from the MTV generation that is so well
> embraced these days.
>
> Moving to PW county would be laughable. The trash
> that is typically (still) found in that county
> would not only accept tounge piercings, but I am
> sure they have programs in middle school on how to
> get child care for their kids, and food stamp 101.
>
>
> I should have expected that the South Lakes crowd
> here would also have little to offer for support
> on this. It is probably a prerequisite of faculty
> to have piercings there. Maybe now, I am
> sterotyping...
>
> I do judge books by their covers. If you do not
> think it happens all the time, you have not been
> out much in the real world (not the MTV show you
> so embrace, either).
>
> I have told my kid that piercig is wrong. But
> cited the health reasons for such. I have heard
> other parents have begun to pull their kids from
> the class in response to their own inquiry over
> the matter. I am sure it is just my values, Ha!


Ugh, you make me ill. How ridiculously close-minded and judgmental you are. You think that just because someone may sport a tattoo or piercing makes them "trash"? Wow, didn't Hitler make generalizations of groups of people like that, too? The only difference was his basis was natural physical features. That's just like saying that all people that wear Nikes are athletes. The people that will make snap judgments about someone without even taking the time to get to know them are ignorant morons such as yourself, sir. I know you find it hard to believe that there are people with tattoos and piercings out there that are intelligent, well-educated individuals, but believe me, we do exist. Grow up and worry about more important things. This is ridiculous.

Everyone said what needed to be said. Seems like the parents should just home school. If they really want then they should have a class for kids, or even a guest speaker who comes in, and talks about tattoos and piercings. It is a kind of decoration that some people like and some people don't. Its a preference, harms no one until you make a big deal out of it. Its your job to teach your kid what you think they should like. There opinions will out do yours in the future anyway.


Think of it this way if you hide them from "life" then get ready to have a kid who will grow up close minded like you who's closed opinions will get rejected like yours are being rejected by most people here in this thread.

Have them understand why the teacher has the tongue ring instead of making it seem wrong. You don't help your kids by saying something is wrong and closing the situation with just "wrong".

To thread starter:

You are an out of touch conservative prude (repetitive yes?). I think its funny that you go to this forum for support.. you miss one point: although this is an interesting conversation topic, we DONT GIVE A FUCK.

I support this parent completely.

The piercing is frankly unprofessional and does not belong in an elementary school.

What if thas covered with tatoos? and had dozens of piercings?

I somehow doubt many of these posters would make the claim that it is not a distraction.

At what number do we cross over from this teacher exercising her individuality to it just being gross?

I can understand the "unprofessional connotation" that the piercing could convey. Nobody where I work gives a shit about my individuality or my right to express myself, so I voluntarily take my facial piercings out before I go to work every day. I accept what people expect as "professional", and it's not a big deal to me.

That said, I still think the mentality behind it is bullshit. I'm just as good of a worker with or without facial piercings. It's disgusting to me that people I've worked with for a couple years would immediately judge me negatively if I wore them to work.

So where do you draw the line? Does her tounge piercing make her any less of a capable teacher? If she had a hairlip, was in a wheelchair, had a birthmark on her face, or a creepy deformed hand, what do you think the child would tell you about his new teacher first?

If she was asked by one of her students during class about her tounge piercing, and she said, "Why, little Billy, I got this because it enhances my ability to perform fellatio; see, I even have this vibrating tip for it. Who knows what 'fellatio' is?" then yes, I could see a problem.

Maybe, just maybe, it could be something that makes her more interesting to her students, and thus, makes them pay more attention to what she says.

Listen to yourselves! You are all turning into who you made fun of when you were kids!

since when is a tongue piercing not suggestive? it originated to give better head. there is no other reason for it. had mine done in my early 20's...for that train of thought. i am now in my 30's and don't wear it because i don't want to advertise my personal life. the person who posted this has a point. but it would be far more influential at a high school level. maybe people are doing it now just because everyone else is. but what kind of message does THAT send to the young girls in our society? i have two teenage boys, and from what i have seen so far, we don't need anymore of these "I'll do anything to be accepted" girls. it has to start somewhere. why not kindergarten?

they all must be sexual deviants.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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To: A Regular Poster
From: Someone Who Doesnt Give a Shit

You need to crawl out from your bomb shelter, "Blast From The Past", realize this is the 21st century. You're lucky the only thing these teachers are doing is a tongue piercing. Maybe you should have your husband pierce you somewhere then maybe you won't have such a stick up your ass (or maybe you will! WHOOPS!)

I do think concerns about this are way overblown.

But that is not the point. Classroom teaching is very difficult, and especially for a young and lightly trained teacher. One can wax eloquent all day about uptight right wing neurotics, or how one should not judge a book by its cover, but really, is this something that the teacher should fight for? Hardly. Like it or not, even if unfair, it is and has become a huge distraction. Caring for the students and professional development come first - work is work and while you are there concern for focus and excellence must come first. Really good managers know this, practice it, and set a tone of seriousness that in the end works for all. The work is work ethic needs to practiced everyday, and it inculcates all sorts of integrity, especially in a "public" job like teaching. And to the extent that schoolteachers deign to be treated like professionals, well, they ought to act like them and avoid inviting needless distractions. And it is not as if there aren't any other number of less distracting ways in which one can express themselves.

By the way, unbelieveable, I understand your point about avoiding being overly judgmental with piercings and body art. But understand that there's a health issue with some of these practices - no reasonable medical professional is going to suggest that it is healthy to get plastered with tattoos (by way of example, hospitals are declining some forms of anesthesia in childbirth to women with "tramp stamps" on their lower backs for fear of harming the infant), and while I understand that physical expression should be left up to the individual, an excess of tattooing does to my mind rightly set off a judgment question as to how well such individuals are taking care of themselves. Heck, I am cautious as it is when going to competent,licensed medical professionals - I find it odd that so many people place trust in tattoo artists who "promise" they use clean needles and follow safe medical practices, but I guess that is just me. And any subjecting oneself to hepatitis or skin infections with alarming acuity just seems stupid. But again, it may just be me.

I agree with the original poster!!

To be taken seriously it is probably best not to have a tounge piercing.

Do you really think you will get that job if you interview with a tounge piercing - porn does not count...I doubt it

Do you really want your doctor or accountant to have a tounge piercing...I doubt it

00 Wrote:
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> To be taken seriously it is probably best not to
> have a tounge piercing.

that depends on who you are talking to.


> Do you really think you will get that job if you
> interview with a tounge piercing - porn does not
> count...I doubt it

that is called discrimination and i find supporters of such things to be offensive.


> Do you really want your doctor or accountant to
> have a tounge piercing...I doubt it

i wouldnt care either way.


btw, learn to spell tongue, you idiot.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Hey Grandma - it's not the 40's. Face it, the only people that will teach your little brats are the young who still think they can make a difference. In 10 years people like you will have beaten them down to the point where they don't give a sh*t and they're only in it for the pension.

It'd be different if she had the Mike Tyson tribal tattoo on her face. And once your kids get used to the tongue ring they'll be back to picking on the fat kid, but don't worry - your kid is in her overly-protected bubble world of cookie cutter expectations.

You fucking overly sensitive, helicopter parents make me sick.

By the way, my daughter's 2nd grade teacher (last year) had a small eyebrow piercing and a tattoo on her wrist, but she's the best teach my kid has had yet.

Fenix Wrote:
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> Hey Grandma - it's not the 40's. Face it, the
> only people that will teach your little brats are
> the young who still think they can make a
> difference. In 10 years people like you will have
> beaten them down to the point where they don't
> give a sh*t and they're only in it for the
> pension.
>
> It'd be different if she had the Mike Tyson tribal
> tattoo on her face. And once your kids get used
> to the tongue ring they'll be back to picking on
> the fat kid, but don't worry - your kid is in her
> overly-protected bubble world of cookie cutter
> expectations.
>
> You fucking overly sensitive, helicopter parents
> make me sick.
>
> By the way, my daughter's 2nd grade teacher (last
> year) had a small eyebrow piercing and a tattoo on
> her wrist, but she's the best teach my kid has had
> yet.

1. The OP is a guy.

2. Responses like this only reinforce his already-established opinion that people who have body mods/support body mods are unprofessional, crude, and incapable of rational thought.

Almost everyone has a negative opinion of things that are different, or they don't understand. The OP is entitled to have an opinion, but I disagree with him that the person's worth as a teacher should be decided by a tounge piercing.

In this instance, you are acting just as close-minded as he is. It's not about the piercing, it's about accepting differences.

Gravis Wrote:
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> 00 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > btw, learn to spell tongue, you idiot.


Thanks for the correction...I must have been distracted because my teacher has a tongue piercing

A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:
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> In my kid's elementary school class in Fairfax
> County, the teacher has a pierced tounge...
>
>
>
> Now I am not old and I am not prude, but when the
> first thing my kid says off the bus their first
> day of school is about the teacher's tounge that
> is pierced, I about hit the roof!
>
> I then come to find out, other parents are not
> pleased, one even pulled their kid out of the
> class!
>
> A call to the school got me nowhere. There is no
> dress code for teachers. "Fitting to their
> environment" was what I was told. Thanks to the
> Teacher's Union.
>
> A call to FCPS HR, confirmed all this. No policy,
> I should aim to resolve with the principal. A
> follow-up call was made and the principal advised
> me thatthey talked with the teacher and she was
> supposedly upset by the whole deal. Boo hoo.
>
> I have a reasonable expectation to be able to send
> my kid to school and have them exposed to a safe
> and secure place where learning is facilitated.
> The tounge piercing was reported to me as a
> distraction. I heard other partents also making
> comments.
>
> The principal told me not to talk with other
> parents about this so there was not a mass exit
> from that classroom. I was assured the teacher is
> wonderful and while I am not debating that, I know
> there is a time and place for everything, and a
> tounge piercing, or any other suggestive piercing
> should remain OUT of a classroom of a public
> school, dress code, or not.
>
> I cannot believe a dress code for teachers does
> not exist. I read the student handbook, and one is
> in there for sure, if you are a student.


Go back to the religious compound you came from. We can hire someone to replace you in the homeland security job that brought you here, and not have to listen to your whining anymore.

I hate tatoos and piercings, too. But I also have enough brainpower to realize that this is the best public school system in the country, and if a teacher has a piercing, I can overlook that because they are probably the best qualified to teach children, especially considering that it is hard to find people willing to start at 33,000 a year in a county where it is difficult to live comfortably with a salary less than 50,000 a year (and if you have a wife and kids, you really need to earn 100k+ to be comfortable.)

Is your fear that you won't get a blowjob from this teacher? Because obviously, that's why she has the tongue piercing in the first place, right? To suck cock?

Adults and professionals are here to set examples. I believe in your right for freedom to express however as a teacher your common sense should at least take over and choose not to express your personal preferences to minors, especially elementary school children.

Tattoos are an expression of art. Piercings are, well, piercings. But, once again, they should not be shown in the classroom.

Most industries/businesses have dress codes. Example: In my profession, flip flops, bare midrifts, sleeveless or spaghetti strap shirts (you get the point?) are prohibited. Thus, our educational system should follow the same.

Think about it this way. You were at a fine-dining establishment, that provided the best service in town. Would you want your server to serve you with their tattoos and piercings showing?

A fine dining establishment, with entree prices approaching 30 dollars, is completely unrelated to an elementary school in terms of dress code.

sinfulgirl Wrote:
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> Adults and professionals are here to set examples.
> I believe in your right for freedom to express
> however as a teacher your common sense should at
> least take over and choose not to express your
> personal preferences to minors, especially
> elementary school children.
>
> Tattoos are an expression of art. Piercings are,
> well, piercings. But, once again, they should not
> be shown in the classroom.
>
> Most industries/businesses have dress codes.
> Example: In my profession, flip flops, bare
> midrifts, sleeveless or spaghetti strap shirts
> (you get the point?) are prohibited. Thus, our
> educational system should follow the same.
>
> Think about it this way. You were at a
> fine-dining establishment, that provided the best
> service in town. Would you want your server to
> serve you with their tattoos and piercings
> showing?

Obviously fairfax county public schools would never hire someone who is covered head-to-toe in tattoos and has visible piercings all over the place. But a tongue piercing is generally not visible.

Of course, if the teacher constantly sticks her tongue out to purposely display it, that could be a reason to take action against the teacher. But I doubt that is the case here.

What on this planet of the gods gives YOU the right to determine how someone else dresses? She is no more unprofessional than if she had her ears pierced if she can speak clearly and convey her message to her students.

Maybe your child needs to learn not everyone lives by the same rules?????????

tba Wrote:
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>
> Maybe your child needs to learn not everyone lives
> by the same rules?????????


Considering that public schools are generally the place where children learn to be conformist and to never question authority, that's probably not a lesson they want to be teaching there.

It shouldn't matter if the teacher has a piercing or tattoos if my teacher has piercings or tattoos which some of them did im fine with it its a art form and its cool.It would be a problem if it was a elementary school teacher.

496 Wrote:
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> "I have a tongue stud and I have never once
> performed the sexual act you are speaking of."
>
> There's still time......


I feel horrible for her husband. Their sex life must suck! :(

Another thread that will go on for all eternity. An I'm mona help.

Wow, going irate over a tongue-ring, and you say that you're "Not a prude"? Yeah, you're way beyond a "Prude", you're insane. Wait until your kids are teenagers.

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

and still no pics~!?

Mrs. K Wrote:
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> Yeah, I would be uncomfortable if my child's
> elementary teacher had a tongue piercing. I agree
> it is a distraction, but it also speaks to the
> teacher's ability to exercise good judgement, and
> a lack of understanding of their position as a
> role model to the young children they teach.
>
> I would have less of a problem with it in middle
> school, and no problem with it all in high school.

STFU.

A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:
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> We were both out of town for the "meet the
> teacher" day...
>
> I have found out the teacher is in her mid 20s and
> has been teaching now for only a couple of years.
> The principal explained that folks from "that
> generation" are not as conservative as I might be.
> Well, I am not that far from "that generation" and
> do not consider myself overly conservative
> however, I do know this does not belong in the
> classroom of a public school. And Yes, at least
> one tattoo has been spotted, as well.
>
> Still, unreal that there is no dress-code. And
> apparently, no recourse...

STFU.

A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:
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> YeeHaw Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Since when was a tongue piercing "suggestive"?
> >
> > I agree it's stupid, but not suggestive.
>
>
> _________________________________________________
>
> Everybody who we have spoken with at FCPS, knows
> what virtue that equipment is for, Hardly the
> place for it in a public school. They just cannot
> force her to remove it due to the liberal policies
> in place. Sad.


OMG, STFU.

Neen Wrote:
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> KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Having a tongue piercing is allowed under the
> > student dress code.
> >
> > Srsly, why is it a big deal? Is it really a bad
> > influence on your kid?
>
> It certainly isn't professional appearing. I
> wouldn't want my lawyer to display a pierced
> tongue, or my doctor.
>
> Is this teacher a professional, or not? She can't
> have it both ways.

Actually she can you fucking fuck deprived cunts. Jesus. This is a PUBLIC school system supported by a union. What don't you get. If you want your children to be taught by a corporation who can enforce these things, it's called private school. Get a fucking grip. There are Americans fighting and dying in two wars right now but yeah, lets bitch and moan about a 25 year old with a tongue ring. STFU.

"Now I am not old and I am not prude, but when the first thing my kid says off the bus their first day of school is about the teacher's tounge that is pierced, I about hit the roof!

I then come to find out, other parents are not pleased, one even pulled their kid out of the class!

A call to the school got me nowhere. There is no dress code for teachers. "Fitting to their environment" was what I was told. Thanks to the Teacher's Union.

A call to FCPS HR, confirmed all this. No policy, I should aim to resolve with the principal. A follow-up call was made and the principal advised me thatthey talked with the teacher and she was supposedly upset by the whole deal. Boo hoo.

I have a reasonable expectation to be able to send my kid to school and have them exposed to a safe and secure place where learning is facilitated. The tounge piercing was reported to me as a distraction. I heard other partents also making comments.

The principal told me not to talk with other parents about this so there was not a mass exit from that classroom. I was assured the teacher is wonderful and while I am not debating that, I know there is a time and place for everything, and a tounge piercing, or any other suggestive piercing should remain OUT of a classroom of a public school, dress code, or not.

I cannot believe a dress code for teachers does not exist. I read the student handbook, and one is in there for sure, if you are a student."

From your first sentence, it appears you are a helicopter parent. It is also apparent that you don't know how to spell "tongue" which is pretty damned funny since you are complaining about education. Personally, I think having a parent who is too stupid to spell the word "tongue" as an adult would be more detrimental than a tongue ring, but that's just my opinion. The fact that you were only motivated to action after you found out other kids' parents were upset indicates that you are a follower and probably a jealous, gossipy old nag. The fact that you called HR demonstrates that you have too much time on your hands: suppose you were out working or learning how to spell instead of phoning an office about your teacher's jewelry? Further, you seem to not be aware that sentences require subjects as evidenced by the pathetically inadequate phrase "Thanks to the Teacher's Union." That is what is called a fragment, so at this point you look like a helicoptering, nagging, gossipy, jealous old hag who can neither write nor spell despite having too much time on your hands.I'll bet your husband has either left you or works 100 hours a week to keep away from you, and I can understand why. This is mere speculation, but let me tell you what I know for sure: you are now seen as a pain in the ass to the school, and people are most likely laughing at you behind your back. Further, your kid is now known as one who has a troublemaking, intrusive mother and people will try to avoid getting him/her. I hope your griping about a young teacher was worth that, because you have now earned it.
This county has some of the best teachers in the country in it, and we have not gotten a raise nor a cost of living increase in three years. We knew we weren't going to get rich coming in, and I will be the first to admit that some teachers are pathetic at their jobs. However, most of us bust our asses and just ask to be left alone unless there is a serious beef- so how about doing it?

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Teacher Wrote:
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> "Now I am not old and I am not prude, but when the> From your first sentence, it appears you are a
> helicopter parent. It is also apparent that you
> don't know how to spell "tongue" which is pretty
> damned funny since you are complaining about
> education. Personally, I think having a parent who
> is too stupid to spell the word "tongue" as an
> adult would be more detrimental than a tongue
> ring, but that's just my opinion. The fact that
> you were only motivated to action after you found
> out other kids' parents were upset indicates that
> you are a follower and probably a jealous, gossipy
> old nag. The fact that you called HR demonstrates
> that you have too much time on your hands: suppose
> you were out working or learning how to spell
> instead of phoning an office about your teacher's
> jewelry? Further, you seem to not be aware that
> sentences require subjects as evidenced by the
> pathetically inadequate phrase "Thanks to the
> Teacher's Union." That is what is called a
> fragment, so at this point you look like a
> helicoptering, nagging, gossipy, jealous old hag
> who can neither write nor spell despite having too
> much time on your hands.I'll bet your husband has
> either left you or works 100 hours a week to keep
> away from you, and I can understand why. This is
> mere speculation, but let me tell you what I know
> for sure: you are now seen as a pain in the ass to
> the school, and people are most likely laughing at
> you behind your back. Further, your kid is now
> known as one who has a troublemaking, intrusive
> mother and people will try to avoid getting
> him/her. I hope your griping about a young teacher
> was worth that, because you have now earned it.
> This county has some of the best teachers in the
> country in it, and we have not gotten a raise nor
> a cost of living increase in three years. We knew
> we weren't going to get rich coming in, and I will
> be the first to admit that some teachers are
> pathetic at their jobs. However, most of us bust
> our asses and just ask to be left alone unless
> there is a serious beef- so how about doing it?

Your adgenda is obvious. It has nothing to do with the original post. You forgot the line "best and brightest", please feel free to work that into the diatribe.

A Regular Poster Here... Wrote:
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> In my kid's elementary school class in Fairfax
> County, the teacher has a pierced tounge...
>
>
>
> Now I am not old and I am not prude, but when the
> first thing my kid says off the bus their first
> day of school is about the teacher's tounge that
> is pierced, I about hit the roof!



ha ha ha can you give us an update when your kid goes to college? ha ha ha
>
> I then come to find out, other parents are not
> pleased, one even pulled their kid out of the
> class!
>
> A call to the school got me nowhere. There is no
> dress code for teachers. "Fitting to their
> environment" was what I was told. Thanks to the
> Teacher's Union.
>
> A call to FCPS HR, confirmed all this. No policy,
> I should aim to resolve with the principal. A
> follow-up call was made and the principal advised
> me thatthey talked with the teacher and she was
> supposedly upset by the whole deal. Boo hoo.
>
> I have a reasonable expectation to be able to send
> my kid to school and have them exposed to a safe
> and secure place where learning is facilitated.
> The tounge piercing was reported to me as a
> distraction. I heard other partents also making
> comments.
>
> The principal told me not to talk with other
> parents about this so there was not a mass exit
> from that classroom. I was assured the teacher is
> wonderful and while I am not debating that, I know
> there is a time and place for everything, and a
> tounge piercing, or any other suggestive piercing
> should remain OUT of a classroom of a public
> school, dress code, or not.
>
> I cannot believe a dress code for teachers does
> not exist. I read the student handbook, and one is
> in there for sure, if you are a student.

Teacher Wrote:
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> "Now I am not old and I am not prude, but when the
> first thing my kid says off the bus their first
> day of school is about the teacher's tounge that
> is pierced, I about hit the roof!
>
> I then come to find out, other parents are not
> pleased, one even pulled their kid out of the
> class!
>
> A call to the school got me nowhere. There is no
> dress code for teachers. "Fitting to their
> environment" was what I was told. Thanks to the
> Teacher's Union.
>
> A call to FCPS HR, confirmed all this. No policy,
> I should aim to resolve with the principal. A
> follow-up call was made and the principal advised
> me thatthey talked with the teacher and she was
> supposedly upset by the whole deal. Boo hoo.
>
> I have a reasonable expectation to be able to send
> my kid to school and have them exposed to a safe
> and secure place where learning is facilitated.
> The tounge piercing was reported to me as a
> distraction. I heard other partents also making
> comments.
>
> The principal told me not to talk with other
> parents about this so there was not a mass exit
> from that classroom. I was assured the teacher is
> wonderful and while I am not debating that, I know
> there is a time and place for everything, and a
> tounge piercing, or any other suggestive piercing
> should remain OUT of a classroom of a public
> school, dress code, or not.
>
> I cannot believe a dress code for teachers does
> not exist. I read the student handbook, and one is
> in there for sure, if you are a student."
>
> From your first sentence, it appears you are a
> helicopter parent. It is also apparent that you
> don't know how to spell "tongue" which is pretty
> damned funny since you are complaining about
> education. Personally, I think having a parent who
> is too stupid to spell the word "tongue" as an
> adult would be more detrimental than a tongue
> ring, but that's just my opinion. The fact that
> you were only motivated to action after you found
> out other kids' parents were upset indicates that
> you are a follower and probably a jealous, gossipy
> old nag. The fact that you called HR demonstrates
> that you have too much time on your hands: suppose
> you were out working or learning how to spell
> instead of phoning an office about your teacher's
> jewelry? Further, you seem to not be aware that
> sentences require subjects as evidenced by the
> pathetically inadequate phrase "Thanks to the
> Teacher's Union." That is what is called a
> fragment, so at this point you look like a
> helicoptering, nagging, gossipy, jealous old hag
> who can neither write nor spell despite having too
> much time on your hands.I'll bet your husband has
> either left you or works 100 hours a week to keep
> away from you, and I can understand why. This is
> mere speculation, but let me tell you what I know
> for sure: you are now seen as a pain in the ass to
> the school, and people are most likely laughing at
> you behind your back. Further, your kid is now
> known as one who has a troublemaking, intrusive
> mother and people will try to avoid getting
> him/her. I hope your griping about a young teacher
> was worth that, because you have now earned it.
> This county has some of the best teachers in the
> country in it, and we have not gotten a raise nor
> a cost of living increase in three years. We knew
> we weren't going to get rich coming in, and I will
> be the first to admit that some teachers are
> pathetic at their jobs. However, most of us bust
> our asses and just ask to be left alone unless
> there is a serious beef- so how about doing it?


+1

Teacher bumped thier own thread. I guess that explains why you forgot to work in "best and brightest".

teacher Wrote:
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> Teacher Wrote:
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> > This county has some of the best teachers in
> the country in it, and we have not gotten a raise
> nor a cost of living increase in three years. We
> knew we weren't going to get rich coming in.


Well guess what you’re not a rocket scientist! Nobody in these professions went into them to get rich either. In fact most of us don’t get rich in a job. Welcome to life.

Clerical office workers, accounting staff, retail clerks, dental hygienists, paralegals, computer programmers, coaches, policemen, fire fighters, flight attendants, editors, electricians, waiters, project managers, HR directors, nurses, blah blah blah

So why use that line?

Biggest difference is these employees don’t have your guaranteed retirement at taxpayers’ expense and a job for life. No raises. BOO HOO Do you know how many people are out of work or have taken pay cuts.

Learn how to use commas you ignorant fool. Also, pick up a book on logic moron, I was talking about a specific profession- one in which computer jockeying parents with nothing to do can blame their failure as parents on teachers in an anonymous manner. End your questions with question marks.

You need to be smarter if you want to argue with me.

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>Teacher wrote
> You need to be smarter if you want to argue with
> me.


Hint, this thread is not about you or your adgenda. Start another please.

I think what started all this was a parent who made an advance at the teacher and she wouldnt have it!!!!

Actually, I can do whatever I want to. I had to issue the verbal bitch-slap to a few morons- at least you were smart enough to keep your message short so I couldn't find out how dumb you are too.

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> Actually, I can do whatever I want to. I had to
> issue the verbal bitch-slap to a few morons- at
> least you were smart enough to keep your message
> short so I couldn't find out how dumb you are too.

Be sure to save one of those bitch-slaps for yourself. Ending a sentence in a preposition is incorrect. Did it hurt?

Too is an adverb dipshit. To is a prep. BITCHSLAP

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> Teacher Wrote:
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> > Actually, I can do whatever I want to. I had to
> > issue the verbal bitch-slap to a few morons- at
> > least you were smart enough to keep your
> message
> > short so I couldn't find out how dumb you are
> too.
>
> Be sure to save one of those bitch-slaps for
> yourself. Ending a sentence in a preposition is
> incorrect. Did it hurt?

Read your first sentence.

Too bad this isn't Sparta...this thread would have been tossed over the cliff at birth. It needs to die. It needs to die now.

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> Too is an adverb dipshit. To is a prep. BITCHSLAP

I return the dipshit and BITCHSLAP YOU TWICE. Fair? Now get back to class.

Still not a prep. It's part of the infinitive verb form "to do" and you don't need to state the implied verb form, especially when it is inside of a noun clause being used as a direct object . I can to WHAT? Noun clause - "Whatever I want to" functioning as the direct object. Next! Any more education and I will have to start charging you. There is NO object of a prep needed there since it is NOT being used as a prep.

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> Still not a prep. It's part of the infinitive verb
> form "to do" and you don't need to state the
> implied verb form, especially when it is inside of
> a noun clause being used as a direct object . I
> can to WHAT? Noun clause - "Whatever I want to"
> functioning as the direct object. Next! Any more
> education and I will have to start charging you.
> There is NO object of a prep needed there since it
> is NOT being used as a prep.

No it aint.

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> Still not a prep. It's part of the infinitive verb
> form "to do" and you don't need to state the
> implied verb form, especially when it is inside of
> a noun clause being used as a direct object . I
> can to WHAT? Noun clause - "Whatever I want to"
> functioning as the direct object. Next! Any more
> education and I will have to start charging you.
> There is NO object of a prep needed there since it
> is NOT being used as a prep.


FAIL! FAIL! FAIL! You are full of crap. Nothing to see here folks.

Thank you!

It always amazes me when people who are annoyed by threads take the time to WRITE BACK. How does that make sense? That said, the Sparta remark was clever.

It seriously pisses me off when lame brains like the op here take time out of their day to bitch that a teacher has a tongue ring. What the FUCK do you think is going to happen to your child? Do you think as a result of a piece of metal in someone's tongue your child is going to lose all sense of morality and wander blindly into some moral cesspool? Do you think that the tongue ring will catalyze a deicide, and the stories about some invisible arbiter who resides in heaven and judges our every action will seem less credible (how could THAT happen)? At the site of the tongue ring, will your child morph into a rabid nymphomaniac hell bent on performing fellatio on the casual passerby? Get with the times for god's sake and let your kid live his/her life.

Since you don't even know what I SAID how can you tell if I am right. I assure you I am . I will be happy to point out some books that will help you to become less stupid.

I will confess, however, that I forgot the question mark above, lending some creedence to the graph somebody posted lol.

All this hype about a tongue piercing? Round up the hottest teachers and get their tits pierced with some captive beads!

> Teacher Wrote:

> I'll bet your husband has either left you or works 100 hours a week to
> keep away from you, and I can understand why.

If you had READ the thread, before commenting, you would realize that it is the husband writing. Next class, comprehension. It's very important!

Can we clean up that "works 100 hours a week". Damn your face must be red from the slapping.

Closed thread for me. It's not about you. Get back to class. The original poster opined on a subject of concern in the classroom. Grow up. If you are a teacher you could have gone a long way to ease the concerns of this parent but instead started with insults, bitching about what your paid, how hard you work, the gamut.

I hope you learned something. Let me know about those grammar books. It's not closed, I know you will read this. You got humiliated

Wow, this thread made it back from the dead...

The teacher did not return to the elementary school for 2009/2010. The Principal had told me, given the opportunity to hire teacher, she wouldn't have done so based upon having the tongue piercing. The teacher was brought on by a previous Principal and as suggested in an earlier post by another, the union would back the teacher and the piercing.

As for some of the other comments made during the course of this thread, I remain proud to be conservative. I am a lifelong resident of this fine county and try to look past the transient transplants who have forever changed this place from how it once was. However, we'll save that for another topic...

At any rate, the teacher is gone. Good riddance!

Regular Poster, Thanks for the update.

are you kidding me. your school must cringe when they see you coming ..... I would much rather have a teacher with a tongue ring then have my child exposed to someone as narrow minded as you . Conservative is not the word for you

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> are you kidding me. your school must cringe when
> they see you coming ..... I would much rather
> have a teacher with a tongue ring then have my
> child exposed to someone as narrow minded as you .
> Conservative is not the word for you

Not to worry, your teacher will back tomorrow and the class will be on Capitalization. She's been on here all day making a fool of herself.

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> Thank you!
>
> It always amazes me when people who are annoyed by
> threads take the time to WRITE BACK. >
> It seriously pisses me off when lame brains like
> the op here take time out of their day to bitch
> that a teacher has a tongue ring. What the FUCK do
> you think is going to happen to your child? Do you
> think as a result of a piece of metal in someone's
> tongue your child is going to lose all sense of
> morality and wander blindly into some moral
> cesspool? Do you think that the tongue ring will
> catalyze a deicide,

I really have a handle on things. I know it doesn't seem like it, since I'm so busy correcting others but I am the teacher. Yes, I know my vocabulary seems limited in this post, for example, a teacher using the words FUCK (in caps, no less),bitch and "pisses me off"; the fact that I'm going on a tirade to begin with when it could be a teaching moment, but I digress, I'm am teaching your kids gooder!
Trust me! Did I mention I didn't get a raise?

the sad thing about this whole situation is that people actually cared deeply about something so inconsequential.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

What's inconsequential about UNNECESSARY JEWELERY WITH SEXUAL UNDERTONES in a PUBLIC TEACHING ENVIRONMENT? Or did that slip by you?

Look, a lot of what I said yesterday comes from the fact that I just love to argue with people, and everyone here needs to admit that it was kind of fun. In reality, perhaps wearing a tongue ring to school was not the best idea of all time: whether it is right or not, it is always advisable to be cognizant of the reaction your choices will make. I see this with students all the time: they do something to deliberately draw attention to themselves and then act shocked when they get negative attention. It's the way things go.
From my personal perspective, I have a ton of tattoos which are always covered, I wear jeans as often as possible and I do have a proclivity for profanity- even in the classroom (I also listen to Howard Stern a lot BABABOOEY). However, I have never received a complaint and, by and large, I think it is because people realize that I work in a PUBLIC school and my behavior ( and theirs) contribute to the norms and mores of our society. Still, I think there is an unreasonable expectation on the part of some that THEIR belief systems will be upheld within the realm of public education, and that view is myopic, misguided, and reprehensible. From my perspective, to charge into a school because of a teacher's fashion accessories is stupid. Perhaps the teacher in question was just being young and trying to balance her new profession with her personal life: I sincerely hope that a good educator wasn't chased out of the profession based on a few parents' personal feelings.

Teacher Wrote:
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> Look, a lot of what I said yesterday comes from
> the fact that I have too much time on my hands

i fixed it for you.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

It would appear that I am not the only one.

Nobody 'chased' her or him anywhere, they CHOSE to FIGHT the issue like there is some noble or valiant reasoning behind wearing a piece of jewelry/ body art with sexual undertones, UNECESSARILY around CHILDREN, in a TAXPAYER SUPPORTED PUBLIC SCHOOL when the parents that pay his/her salary expressed concern.

SO FUCK THAT DERELICT ASS FREAK.

The teacher was not in violation of a dress code. There is nothing suggestive about a tongue ring per se- it is a value placed on it from the outside. Granted, when you choose to adorn yourself with such items, you really shouldn't be surprised when you get a negative reaction, but still she was not violating anything besides common sense. Sexuality is VERY pervasive in schools because it is ubiquitous in society at large. I work in a high school and you can take my word for it, We even have milk advertisements in which Taylor Swift appears with a bare midriff and a pose that could be construed as suggestive. While most elementary schoolers would recognize the connotations of the milk ad, I doubt as many would see a tongue ring as something sexual. My point is people don't cease being individuals once they enter the school- it is not up to us to dress the way YOU want us to and, barring something excessive, it wouldn't be grounds for dismissal. There should not ( and are not) mandates about the way we need to dress as sartorial considerations are subjective unless they go WAY out of bounds- a tongue ring doesn't do that in the eyes of the county. Again, I sincerely hope that the teacher in question did not abandon the profession because she felt persecuted for a personal fashion choice.

Teacher Wrote:
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> The teacher was not in violation of a dress code.
> There is nothing suggestive about a tongue ring
> per se- it is a value placed on it from the
> outside. Granted, when you choose to adorn
> yourself with such items, you really shouldn't be
> surprised when you get a negative reaction, but
> still she was not violating anything besides
> common sense. Sexuality is VERY pervasive in
> schools because it is ubiquitous in society at
> large. I work in a high school and you can take my
> word for it, We even have milk advertisements in
> which Taylor Swift appears with a bare midriff and
> a pose that could be construed as suggestive.
> While most elementary schoolers would recognize
> the connotations of the milk ad, I doubt as many
> would see a tongue ring as something sexual. My
> point is people don't cease being individuals once
> they enter the school- it is not up to us to dress
> the way YOU want us to and, barring something
> excessive, it wouldn't be grounds for dismissal.
> There should not ( and are not) mandates about
> the way we need to dress as sartorial
> considerations are subjective unless they go WAY
> out of bounds- a tongue ring doesn't do that in
> the eyes of the county. Again, I sincerely hope
> that the teacher in question did not abandon the
> profession because she felt persecuted for a
> personal fashion choice.

If you are the original teacher poster, I wish that had been your answer in the first post. There are plenty of threads deserving of your arguments. In this case I felt a parents concern was marginalized when we all should be working together to resolve problems. Have a good one. Spell Checked:) Move on

Guess what?

The Taxpayers are a public school teachers employer.
The Parents are the TAXPAYERS!
LIKE IT OR NOT they are your BOSSES if YOU CHOOSE TO TAKE A JOB TEACHING AT A PUBLIC SCHOOL. Take that shit to a private school and see if they allow it there. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR NOT HAVING GUIDELINES AS TO WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE DRESS FOT TEACHERS AND IF THERE IS NOT THIS MUST CHANGE.

The fact that this was fought so adimately by the teacher instead of just removing the piece of offensive jewelery means one of two things:

EITHER THE TEACHER WAS TRYING TO START UP AN ATTENTION-WHORE MEDIA FRENZY OR HE/SHE DID HAVE ALTERIOR MOTIVES FOR MAKING SUCH A DISPLAY WHILE ON THE JOB TEACHING CHILDREN AND COLLECTING A CIVIL SERVANT'S PAYCHECK.

I also wave my uncut 2.5" cock (complete with yellow cock ring) at your children by the school playground. I dream about "piercing" each and every one of them. hmmmmmmmmmm

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Well thank goodness, Troll, that your personal tastes as a taxpayer don't dictate reality for the rest of us.

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> Well thank goodness, Troll, that your personal
> tastes as a taxpayer don't dictate reality for the
> rest of us.

+1

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> The teacher was not in violation of a dress code.
> There is nothing suggestive about a tongue ring

Again, I sincerely hope
> that the teacher in question did not abandon the
> profession because she felt persecuted for a
> personal fashion choice.


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You are right, the tongue piercing was NOT in violation of any dress code. I had a chat with the Principal about that matter and was advised, "you can thank the Teachers Union" (for having a lax dress code).

Regarding the teacher, I heard she went to another school in the county. Gone, but not far enough... Am I (and other parents who thought it was a load of BS) supposed to care what the teacher thought? Wasn't it HER, who made the choice to pierce her tongue? Thought so...

No, you , of course, aren't required to care. The principal was passing the buck , by the way, as he/she CAN ask for a school employee to modify his/her appearance. If the principal DID do that the teacher COULD have appealed to the union, but most of us would never do that as it brings unwanted attention. One of the best teachers at my school is a young woman who has a "sleeve" tattoo on her arm. If people were put off by her tattoo to the extent that they avoided her class or complained so much that she left the school, they would be missing out on a great teacher. The question often becomes which would you rather have: a person who is a great teacher but has an aspect of her appearance you disagree with or a mediocre teacher with an appearance you consider acceptable? I, of course, don't know the person in question, maybe she was an awful teacher anyway, but with the people that teaching attracts I think you better focus more on who cares about giving your child a great education rather than some trifling aspect of appearance.

Okay lets dumb this down for dumb at heart.

Teacher chooses to wear a questionable/ offensive piece of JEWELRY she could have IMMEDIATELY REMOVED on the spot when she was informed it irritated/offended PARENTS of the STUDENTS SHE IS WAS BEING PAID TO TEACH in a PUBLIC SCHOOL. Thats like a teacher being asked to remove thier fucking baseball cap and making a BIG WHOOPDEE DOO about it citing no dress code and the fact that your a teacher so you should be able to do whatever you want because only the students(RIGHT NOW) have to abide by a dress code. See this dumbshit teacher transfered to a place that might not be bitching now, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DO CONFRONT HER IN THE NEAR FUTURE? IS THIS BITCH GONNA STOP TEACHING OR SOMETHING FOR HER VALIANT CAUSE?

THIS JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT MOST PEOPLE WITH DUMBASS BODY PIERCINGS ARE JUST AS DUMB ON A WHOLE, AS THIER FUCKING PIERCED NOSES, LIPS, AND TONGUES LOOK.

The question we all want answered is, of course, where ELSE is she pierced?

what about ear piercings, dresses, high heals, makeup or any clothing that isnt baggy to hide all indication of the teacher being female? if you arent baring tongue piercings then you need to bar these too because they are on the same level of sexuality... if you are dumb enough to think to associate fashion with sexuality.

it's a fool's fight.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

What's a fools fight, is trying to disassociate the sexual meaning and function of a toungue ring. Everyone knows only cock suckin' bitches and faggots go to the trouble of piercing thier toungues. It's NO fashion statement, and PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE NOT MODELING RUNWAYS. ALSO YOUR ANALOGY SUCKED AND IS A TRUE TESTAMENT TO YOUR LAMENESS.

Oh baw baw baw

Your making an assessment of the ability of a teacher through their appearance?
If you looked at Einstein his appearance was deplorable my 1930s standards yet the man could teach.

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> Oh baw baw baw
>
> Your making an assessment of the ability of a
> teacher through their appearance?
> If you looked at Einstein his appearance was
> deplorable my 1930s standards yet the man could
> teach.


I heard he also gave killer head

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> SinghisKing Wrote:
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> > Oh baw baw baw
> >
> > Your making an assessment of the ability of a
> > teacher through their appearance?
> > If you looked at Einstein his appearance was
> > deplorable my 1930s standards yet the man could
> > teach.
>
>
> I heard he also gave killer head


I heard he was a jew

I heard he wuz a GAY JEW!