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FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Tax Payer ()
Date: May 15, 2013 04:31PM

I am going to speak and tell them to fire them.
push came to shove, Jane Lipp would give her right kidney to keep an instructional coach at her school.

The principal of South County High School, which has a 49 percent minority population, said that's the kind of sacrifice she'd make, drama aside, to keep a position that's been 'instrumental" in helping her teachers push the school's diverse student body to succeed.

More than a dozen of the 40 speakers who addressed the school board Tuesday night in a public hearing about Fairfax County Public Schools' budget spoke about the role coaches play in the day to day lives of teachers and students, including their help toward narrowing student achievement gaps.

The public hearing comes as the school board prepares to adopt a $2.5 billion final budget next week. The board received $61.7 million less than it had hoped in annual transfer from the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors, which passed a budget of its own in late April.

While staff has found some additional revenue from the state and savings in a FY 2013 third quarter budget review, school board members still need to find another $30.5 million in reductions before their final budget vote.

A new proposal suggests holding off on teacher raises until January 2014, when employees would get a mid-year market scale adjustment of 2 percent, and curbing the expansion of some foreign language programs to cut costs.

Funding for instructional coaches isn't threatened on the list of such potential reductions. But as teachers plead with the school board to address teacher workload, and parents lobby board members and state politicians to lower class sizes, some have wondered whether instructional coaches are best used guiding individual teachers and collaborative learning teams as roving leaders, or, if the system's "experts on teaching" should return to the classroom to instruct students themselves.

Speakers, including Lipp, who serves as the president of the High School Principals' Association, argued the former.

The system has about 78 instructional coaches in 72 schools, Camelot Elementary School instructional coach Emelie Parker McElroy said.

Instructional coaches, who focus on reading, math and achievement gap issues, help teachers unpack new state and federal standards, analyze data to develop strategies for individual and groups of students and assess whether what teachers are doing in the classroom works.

Lippa said her own instructional coach helped initiate additional intensive intervention in math, acting as a liaison between teachers, counselors, students and their families. Jordan Moore, a former teacher who just this year became an instructional coach, said working with a coach allowed her to ensure every student in her classroom — some of whom had repeatedly failed the exams in classrooms where a coach was not available — to pass the Virginia's Standards of Learning tests in reading.

Teacher Pay, Language Expansion

The discussion came as other employees spoke of low morale and lagging pay for a large number of the school system's work force — both teachers and other support staff like custodians and bus drivers.

Though board members had hoped to give teachers a one percent market scale adjustment starting this July, the proposal on the table would instead give a two percent adjustment starting in January 2014, using some of roughly $6 million in one-time money available from the state.

Any money that adds to a teacher's base salary is a welcome help to teachers that are "running on fumes," said Michael Hairston, who represents thousands of employees under the Fairfax Education Association.

Hairston and Fairfax County Federation of Teachers President Steve Greenburg urged school board members to set their own priorities instead of being guided by a suggestion from county supervisors that teachers not receive raises because county employees weren't, either.

A number of county employees — including those from SEIU and police and fire associations — stood with teachers to support fair pay for teachers.

Parents and some school administrators also asked the board to reconsider a $0.7 million and nine position reduction in world languages expansion.

Fox Elementary School PTA President Amanda Owens said other countries have seen greater success than the U.S. academically largely because of their focus on learning more than one language.

"To compete in a global market place, [our students] need the same basic education as their competitors," she said.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Merka ()
Date: May 15, 2013 04:37PM

If the foreigners won't learn English, fuck 'em.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: we can save 5 million dollars ()
Date: May 15, 2013 04:46PM

Name Job Title Worksite Salary
Robinson, Kristen H Instructional Coach Beech Tree Elementary School $89,056
Kapelski, Cory S Instructional Coach Belle View Elementary School $65,516
Ghrist, Christina B Instructional Coach Bonnie Brae Elementary School $63,737
Baskette Tierney, Jennifer L Instructional Coach Braddock Elementary School $87,415
Foglio, Cynthia L Instructional Coach Brookfield Elementary School $75,605
Bruno, Danielle M Instructional Coach Bull Run Elementary School $89,056
Parker-McElroy, Emelie M Instructional Coach Camelot Elementary School $82,466
Beck, Amy Instructional Coach Cardinal Forest Elementary School $78,532
Ritchie, Gail V Instructional Coach Centre Ridge Elementary School $91,421
Moore, Jordan E Instructional Coach Clearview Elementary School $69,050
Garcia, Dana E Instructional Coach Coates Elementary School $71,378
Hanson, Raegan N Instructional Coach Columbia Elementary School $73,458
Allen, Laura S Instructional Coach Crestwood Elementary School $80,107
Hibner, Patricia J Instructional Coach Cunningham Park Elementary School $80,107
Unser, Carolyn M Instructional Coach Dranesville Elementary School $100,153
Lowe, Elizabeth A Instructional Coach Forest Edge Elementary School $63,737
Tisnado, Melissa Instructional Coach Forestdale Elementary School $73,458
Meyl, Megan M Instructional Coach Fort Belvoir Elementary School $62,993
Morton, Amy E Instructional Coach Freedom Hill Elementary School $67,409
Cable, Linda M Instructional Coach Glasgow Middle School $90,007
Vermeer, Anita C Instructional Coach Glen Forest Elementary School $63,737
Vaughan, Colleen A Instructional Coach Groveton Elementary School $67,408
Carey, Kari L Instructional Coach Herndon Elementary School $73,458
Crismon, Anne K Instructional Coach Herndon Middle School $84,107
Davenport, Donice J Instructional Coach Herndon Middle School $71,378
Reisman, Kathryn L Instructional Coach Hollin Meadows Elementary School $92,685
Iaquinta Springer, Karri R Instructional Coach Holmes Middle School $87,415
Beard, Michele Instructional Coach Hughes Middle School $75,605
Holmes, Tara C Instructional Coach Hunters Woods Elementary School for the Arts and Sciences $62,723
Gray, Latonia D Instructional Coach Hutchison Elementary School $62,993
Bower, Kristin N Instructional Coach Hybla Valley Elementary School $69,363
Powers, Erin M Instructional Coach Key Middle School $65,379
Skerker, Jennifer P Instructional Coach Kings Glen Elementary School $65,009
Moore, Michelle C Instructional Coach Lake Anne Elementary School $81,748
Johnson, Michele Instructional Coach Lanier Middle School $79,461
Petruzzini, Heather E Instructional Coach Laurel Hill Elementary School $65,516
Hicks, Melissa A Instructional Coach Liberty Middle School $75,605
Timm, Rebecca E Instructional Coach Little Run Elementary School $69,362
Thomas, Junena A Instructional Coach London Towne Elementary School $67,409
Martin, April G Instructional Coach Lorton Station Elementary School $62,722
Joyner, Amy E Instructional Coach Luther Jackson Middle School $73,458
Mohney, Misty M Instructional Coach Lynbrook Elementary School $63,737
Shroyer, Jessica A Instructional Coach Marshall Road Elementary School $73,019
Robson, Hannah L Instructional Coach McNair Elementary School $67,409
Harvey, Darnessia Y Instructional Coach Mount Vernon Woods Elementary School $82,466
Keys, Makeeta J Instructional Coach Mount Vernon Woods Elementary School $65,516
Swanson, Victoria M Instructional Coach North Springfield Elementary School $71,378
Gresick, Mary M Instructional Coach Oak View Elementary School $98,310
Nestler, Kristen B Instructional Coach Parklawn Elementary School $62,120
Erickson, Christina B Instructional Coach Poe Middle School $65,516
Toner, Sarah E Instructional Coach Poe Middle School $73,458
Chang, Melissa S Instructional Coach Riverside Elementary School $63,737
Brand, Judith S Instructional Coach Rose Hill Elementary School $87,415
Jerauld, Stephanie A Instructional Coach Sandburg Middle School $73,458
Yeager, Cory C Instructional Coach Sleepy Hollow Elementary School $67,409
Hom, Charles P Instructional Coach South County High $69,363
O'Donnell, Katherine J Instructional Coach Stratford Landing Elementary School $65,379
Sobeski, Shelia D Instructional Coach Terra Centre Elementary School $71,378
Krajack, Michael J Instructional Coach Terraset Elementary School $87,415
Ratzlaff, Janet M Instructional Coach Twain Middle School $98,310
Kengor, Wendy D Instructional Coach Washington Mill Elementary School $69,363
Millians, Emily E Instructional Coach West Potomac High School $79,461
Wong, Ann N Instructional Coach West Springfield High School $90,007
Holley, Tylea L Instructional Coach Westlawn Elementary School $65,516
Lekoski, Lori Instructional Coach Whitman Middle School $99,938
Smoyer, Patricia A Instructional Coach Woodburn Elementary School for the Fine and Communicative Arts $75,605
Ramsey, Karen M Instructional Coach Woodlawn Elementary School $71,378
O'Brien, Irene M Instructional Coach Woodley Hills Elementary School $84,901

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Men's Liberation ()
Date: May 15, 2013 04:48PM

Is there any reason none of the people on that list are men?

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Jack "I Ain't Gone Yet" Dale ()
Date: May 15, 2013 04:53PM

Instructional coaches = empty suits, desk-sitters, Starbucks-swilling, early lunch-taking, useless data miners and shallow report creators.

THe system would not miss them for one hour of one day. Poof! Be gone.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: money talks ()
Date: May 15, 2013 04:59PM

So whose butt do you kiss to get that job?

Pays a lot more than teaching.

Is this where the teacher rejects end up?

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Ted Cruz ()
Date: May 15, 2013 05:04PM

Dance of the lemons....push the bad teachers up and out. Make them instructional coaches because they are inept at instructing and coaching. All of the ICs carry around notebooks and coffee cups, but the cups are full and the notebooks are empty.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: qualified?? ()
Date: May 15, 2013 05:08PM

Keys, Makeeta J Instructional Coach Mount Vernon Woods Elementary School $65,516
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Lane Elementary School Staff
2008-2009

Kindergarten
Keys, Makeeta Makeeta.Keys@fcps.edu


So, a few years back, Ms Keys was teaching kindergarten and now she is an instructional coach at one of the lowest performing schools.

Good luck with that strategy, guys.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: momma to 4 ()
Date: May 15, 2013 05:22PM

what exactly is the role of an instructional coach? What is the need for teaching ES students Chinese? You want your kid to learn another language, pay for private lessons on the weekend! I'm all for ESL instruction---for legal citizens, not those here illegally. I know I'm in the minority and I should "think of the children", but I'm sticking to my opinion...

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: top dog ()
Date: May 15, 2013 05:24PM

Unser, Carolyn M Instructional Coach Dranesville Elementary School $100,153


$100k is two teachers.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: The Absolute Truth ()
Date: May 15, 2013 05:27PM

Memo to FFX BOE: I will trade you 50 ICs for 100 (real, in the class, on the job, standing in front of the classroom, grading papers, and taking work home) teachers any day.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: sure they did ()
Date: May 15, 2013 05:55PM

Jordan Moore, a former teacher who just this year became an instructional coach, said working with a coach allowed her to ensure every student in her classroom — some of whom had repeatedly failed the exams in classrooms where a coach was not available — to pass the Virginia's Standards of Learning tests in reading.


PROVE IT.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: observation ()
Date: May 15, 2013 06:45PM

Teachers should be helping other teachers. Five teachers could be given an extra free period (this is the "price" of a coach) and they could help each other or others during that free period. This would give the teachers something to strive for and they would not resent these "coaches" who don't have any actual accountability to the students. As much as possible, people in the building should be accountable to students (have to teach them and grade them, talk to parents, etc.). When there are too many of these "specialists", "coaches" or whatever you want to call them ("resource teacher" is another favorite), the teachers (especially the ones with more experience) become resentful. That kind of sabotages the whole idea of having these "resources" in the building. As someone above wrote "good luck with that strategy".

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: control freaks ()
Date: May 15, 2013 09:01PM

Next year they are rolling out even more pointless positions in the school, with no actual teaching responsibilities--intervention manager at WSHS and other positions. . . which means your kid is going to be in an even bigger class.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Young Curmudgeon ()
Date: May 15, 2013 09:10PM

Instructional coaches, I agree. I don't know what they do. Elementary school foreign language teachers, no. Studies indicate that the best time for children to start learning a foreign language is in the 3rd grade. That's what other countries with far more successful educational systems do.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: In defense of one ()
Date: May 15, 2013 10:54PM

I can't speak for all of the IC's, but I can say the one at my school has been outstanding. That being said, I fully understand that my school could be in the minority.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: FIRE THEM and the Arabic teacher ()
Date: May 15, 2013 11:00PM

Allen, Timothy L Arabic Language Teacher, HS Herndon High School $51,957
Bacha, Meriem Arabic Language Teacher, ES Beech Tree Elementary School $67,085
Belhoula, Sami Arabic Language Teacher, ES Sleepy Hollow Elementary School $49,092
ElTahir, Ayman A Arabic Language Teacher, MS Glasgow Middle School $22,580
Layaly, Ola A Arabic Language Teacher, HS Annandale High School $64,631
Moula, Wisam R Arabic Language Teacher, HS Stuart High School $69,886
Sharaf, Mona A Arabic Language Teacher, HS Hayfield Secondary School $75,140

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: May 15, 2013 11:06PM

FCPS oughta lop off 8 to 15% of everyone making over $80k..

I'm with the teacher who works full time for $50K, but a lot of these "coaching" and admin positions sound totally stroke.

Do it for the children even.


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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Burke Brat ()
Date: May 15, 2013 11:42PM

Krajack, Michael J Instructional Coach Terraset Elementary School $87,415 hes the only Guy on the list, talk about the lone wolf . LOL

As for laying off Foreign Language Teachers in Elementary school, your going to have to replace Lots of teachers. Orange Hunt is German Immersion, Laurel Ridge is Spanish Immersion, and they are not the only schools doing that, so I don't see a savings there.



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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Uh... ()
Date: May 16, 2013 07:14AM

Men's Liberation Wrote:
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> Is there any reason none of the people on that
> list are men?

There are men on the list.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: GailVR ()
Date: May 16, 2013 09:06AM

I don't recall ever seeing anything positive posted here, so this may be a first. The best way to counter ignorant, hateful, inaccurate information is to provide accurate information. So:

1. Instructional coaches are 11-month employees, so their salaries reflect an additional month of salary. Many of us are long-time employees, so some of that salary reflects longevity and years of experience (from which all the teachers and students at our schools benefit). And FCPS recognizes the knowledge and expertise gained from advanced degrees with additional $$. As an example, my salary reflects 23 years and a PhD. We could debate endlessly whether or not teachers and coaches are underpaid/overpaid. Those who actually work in schools and see the long hours, hard work, and student learning that occurs because of teachers and coaches, know that we earn every penny.

2. There is much more to coaching than just data analysis. I explain my job to students and parents as the "on-site teacher for the teachers." My main purpose is to help teachers continually improve their teaching. There are many ways to do this, and it would take a book to explain it all. People who want an overview can go to the FCPS website and read the information on the Instructional Coaching profile.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Two Cents ()
Date: May 16, 2013 09:14AM

GailVR Wrote:
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> I don't recall ever seeing anything positive
> posted here, so this may be a first. The best way
> to counter ignorant, hateful, inaccurate
> information is to provide accurate information.
> So:
>
> 1. Instructional coaches are 11-month employees,
> so their salaries reflect an additional month of
> salary. Many of us are long-time employees, so
> some of that salary reflects longevity and years
> of experience (from which all the teachers and
> students at our schools benefit). And FCPS
> recognizes the knowledge and expertise gained from
> advanced degrees with additional $$. As an
> example, my salary reflects 23 years and a PhD. We
> could debate endlessly whether or not teachers and
> coaches are underpaid/overpaid. Those who actually
> work in schools and see the long hours, hard work,
> and student learning that occurs because of
> teachers and coaches, know that we earn every
> penny.
>
> 2. There is much more to coaching than just data
> analysis. I explain my job to students and parents
> as the "on-site teacher for the teachers." My main
> purpose is to help teachers continually improve
> their teaching. There are many ways to do this,
> and it would take a book to explain it all. People
> who want an overview can go to the FCPS website
> and read the information on the Instructional
> Coaching profile.

Thanks Gail, I appreciate the time for you posting this.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: digging deeper ()
Date: May 16, 2013 10:18AM

If these coaches are so "valuable" and "hard working" then why don't teachers come out singing their praise?

Most of the speakers were IC trying to save their jobs.

Just saying.....

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Y'all R Clueless ()
Date: May 16, 2013 11:17AM

Instructional coaches are a needed resource for the teachers in each school they work in.

For all of you bitching about better teachers and better test results the data shows that most, if not all, of the schools with instructional coaches improve performance and morale of teachers and students. Do changes occur immediately? No. Education is a process that is never ending for all of us.

And no, I'm not a teacher, administrator or student. But I DO know the invaluable contributions these people make.

No men you ask? There have in fact been male coaches over the course of the program.

Most of the speakers IC's? Wrong. Were you even at the meeting?

It would be great if all you bashers had to endure the same amount scrutiny that the FCPS does on this forum.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: what they do ()
Date: May 16, 2013 11:50AM

Here are some comments from the public hearing:

-"guiding us to better collaboration and more effective teaching"

-"assisted us in using data effectively"

-"makes sure our meetings are run in an effective and respectful manner"
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Seriously, what the hell do principals do these days?

I guess if they aren't doing their job, then these coaches are needed.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: FCPS Novice Teacher ()
Date: May 16, 2013 12:00PM

Dance of the lemons?! To become an instructional coach in FCPS, you must demonstrate exceptional teaching in your own classroom (teacher evaluation and student progress is considered), have recommendations from both administrators in your school AND teachers in your school, and complete an application which includes writing an essay about applying best practices in education to close achievement gaps. Your application and resume is then screened before you are considered for an interview. Those who get to the interview stage must also prepare a mock professional development session to present before the interview panel. Each year, a number of candidates who may not be considered to be ready to take on the role of an instructional coach have the opportunity to be part of a learning cohort to prepare themselves for the role. As a novice teacher, I am not yet ready, but appreciate the work my coach does, and I aspire to become a coach later in my career. Hope this clarifies some of your misunderstanding.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: no widespread love ()
Date: May 16, 2013 12:45PM

Other than Camelot Elem--that dominated the hearings--not sure why they couldn't send one person to say the same thing......

What other teachers from other schools had positive things to say about their coaches?

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: vet teacher ()
Date: May 16, 2013 04:46PM

Instructional coaches may be of value, but only if the schools are not doing well with student achievement. In other words, if the students are performing as they should be, it could be considered a waste of resources. What few realize that the pie given to the principal can be cut whatever way he or she desires - unless the cluster is directing certain slices be taken. If principals want to spend resources on ICs, then obviously something else will suffer. What would be interesting would be to compare class sizes, and number of electives in the high schools acquiring coaches. For the most part this has been an elementary school deal tied to PLC and the testing environment. While no one would doubt that the ICs could be solid teachers,(and from the salaries posted some have been teaching a long time) it also would be interesting to see how long they stay in their positions before going into administration - which in a sense they are already part of! I am sure some see it as a stepping stone away from students and into management. If teachers are doing their jobs they do not need a coach. This is not football! And great teachers might, with good reason, resent coaches and their suggestions, well intentioned or not. Thus another factor to lower morale.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: too weird ()
Date: May 16, 2013 06:21PM

Instructional coaches will actively promote the instructional coaching initiative by contributing to presntations at local, state and national conferences, by serving as a spokesperson for media (film, TV, radio, and newspaper), and by appearances at other schools, principal meetings, and school board meetings.

So, under the job expectations of instructional coaches on the FCPS website, the ICs are required to tell the world how great they are!!

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: complete list ()
Date: May 16, 2013 07:16PM

I thought I heard one of the speakers state that there are 78 coaches in 72 schools.

Does anyone have the complete list of names/schools/salaries.

That is A LOT of dough....has to be over $10 million with benes and supervisor salaries.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Tax Payer ()
Date: May 16, 2013 10:22PM

complete list Wrote:
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> I thought I heard one of the speakers state that
> there are 78 coaches in 72 schools.
>
> Does anyone have the complete list of
> names/schools/salaries.
>
> That is A LOT of dough....has to be over $10
> million with benes and supervisor salaries

Let me search for it. As a tax player American you're allowed to see where our taxes are being spend.

Name Job Title Worksite Salary
Allen, Laura S Instructional Coach Crestwood Elementary School $80,107
Baskette Tierney, Jennifer L Instructional Coach Braddock Elementary School $87,415
Beard, Michele Instructional Coach Hughes Middle School $75,605
Beck, Amy Instructional Coach Cardinal Forest Elementary School $78,532
Bower, Kristin N Instructional Coach Hybla Valley Elementary School $69,363
Brand, Judith S Instructional Coach Rose Hill Elementary School $87,415
Bruno, Danielle M Instructional Coach Bull Run Elementary School $89,056
Cable, Linda M Instructional Coach Glasgow Middle School $90,007
Carey, Kari L Instructional Coach Herndon Elementary School $73,458
Chang, Melissa S Instructional Coach Riverside Elementary School $63,737
Crismon, Anne K Instructional Coach Herndon Middle School $84,107
Davenport, Donice J Instructional Coach Herndon Middle School $71,378
Erickson, Christina B Instructional Coach Poe Middle School $65,516
Foglio, Cynthia L Instructional Coach Brookfield Elementary School $75,605
Garcia, Dana E Instructional Coach Coates Elementary School $71,378
Ghrist, Christina B Instructional Coach Bonnie Brae Elementary School $63,737
Gray, Latonia D Instructional Coach Hutchison Elementary School $62,993
Gresick, Mary M Instructional Coach Oak View Elementary School $98,310
Hanson, Raegan N Instructional Coach Columbia Elementary School $73,458
Harvey, Darnessia Y Instructional Coach Mount Vernon Woods Elementary School $82,466
Hibner, Patricia J Instructional Coach Cunningham Park Elementary School $80,107
Hicks, Melissa A Instructional Coach Liberty Middle School $75,605
Holley, Tylea L Instructional Coach Westlawn Elementary School $65,516
Holmes, Tara C Instructional Coach Hunters Woods Elementary School for the Arts and Sciences $62,723
Hom, Charles P Instructional Coach South County High $69,363
Iaquinta Springer, Karri R Instructional Coach Holmes Middle School $87,415
Jerauld, Stephanie A Instructional Coach Sandburg Middle School $73,458
Johnson, Michele Instructional Coach Lanier Middle School $79,461
Joyner, Amy E Instructional Coach Luther Jackson Middle School $73,458
Kapelski, Cory S Instructional Coach Belle View Elementary School $65,516
Kengor, Wendy D Instructional Coach Washington Mill Elementary School $69,363
Keys, Makeeta J Instructional Coach Mount Vernon Woods Elementary School $65,516
Krajack, Michael J Instructional Coach Terraset Elementary School $87,415
Lekoski, Lori Instructional Coach Whitman Middle School $99,938
Lowe, Elizabeth A Instructional Coach Forest Edge Elementary School $63,737
Martin, April G Instructional Coach Lorton Station Elementary School $62,722
Meyl, Megan M Instructional Coach Fort Belvoir Elementary School $62,993
Millians, Emily E Instructional Coach West Potomac High School $79,461
Mohney, Misty M Instructional Coach Lynbrook Elementary School $63,737
Moore, Jordan E Instructional Coach Clearview Elementary School $69,050
Moore, Michelle C Instructional Coach Lake Anne Elementary School $81,748
Morton, Amy E Instructional Coach Freedom Hill Elementary School $67,409
Nestler, Kristen B Instructional Coach Parklawn Elementary School $62,120
O'Brien, Irene M Instructional Coach Woodley Hills Elementary School $84,901
O'Donnell, Katherine J Instructional Coach Stratford Landing Elementary School $65,379
Parker-McElroy, Emelie M Instructional Coach Camelot Elementary School $82,466
Petruzzini, Heather E Instructional Coach Laurel Hill Elementary School $65,516
Powers, Erin M Instructional Coach Key Middle School $65,379
Ramsey, Karen M Instructional Coach Woodlawn Elementary School $71,378
Ratzlaff, Janet M Instructional Coach Twain Middle School $98,310
Reisman, Kathryn L Instructional Coach Hollin Meadows Elementary School $92,685
Ritchie, Gail V Instructional Coach Centre Ridge Elementary School $91,421
Robinson, Kristen H Instructional Coach Beech Tree Elementary School $89,056
Robson, Hannah L Instructional Coach McNair Elementary School $67,409
Shroyer, Jessica A Instructional Coach Marshall Road Elementary School $73,019
Skerker, Jennifer P Instructional Coach Kings Glen Elementary School $65,009
Smoyer, Patricia A Instructional Coach Woodburn Elementary School for the Fine and Communicative Arts $75,605
Sobeski, Shelia D Instructional Coach Terra Centre Elementary School $71,378
Swanson, Victoria M Instructional Coach North Springfield Elementary School $71,378
Thomas, Junena A Instructional Coach London Towne Elementary School $67,409
Timm, Rebecca E Instructional Coach Little Run Elementary School $69,362
Tisnado, Melissa Instructional Coach Forestdale Elementary School $73,458
Toner, Sarah E Instructional Coach Poe Middle School $73,458
Unser, Carolyn M Instructional Coach Dranesville Elementary School $100,153
Vaughan, Colleen A Instructional Coach Groveton Elementary School $67,408
Vermeer, Anita C Instructional Coach Glen Forest Elementary School $63,737
Wong, Ann N Instructional Coach West Springfield High School $90,007
Yeager, Cory C Instructional Coach Sleepy Hollow Elementary School $67,409

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Some Insight ()
Date: May 16, 2013 11:17PM

My sister-in-law became an instructional coach after three years of teaching elementary school. Why? She hated "dealing with" the kids.

I agree. Fire all the instructional coaches. Replace them with retired SUCCESSFUL ADORED teachers who can bestow their gifts and experience on the young 'uns.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: remarx ()
Date: May 17, 2013 09:22AM

It never ceases to surprise me that so many people can judge someone out of ignorance. If you don't know what a coach does, how can you even begin to judge?

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: chosen few-why? ()
Date: May 17, 2013 10:25AM

Why these 3 high schools??? Hardly the needist.


Wong, Ann N Instructional Coach West Springfield High School $90,007

Millians, Emily E Instructional Coach West Potomac High School $79,461

Hom, Charles P Instructional Coach South County High $69,363

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Vet teacher ()
Date: May 17, 2013 07:51PM

And why is the IC at WSHS worth 21K more per year than South County? Know the reason - more time in FCPS - but if not working directly with kids, sure a disparity.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: former teacher ()
Date: May 17, 2013 09:02PM

I do not work in the system. However, I have worked where there were "specialists" who did not work with students-but were there to assist teachers. I am sure some of them work very hard and are helpful. However, my guess is that the money would be better spent on teachers who work with children.

I am willing to bet that some of them in the elementary school do not even have classroom experience, but were a different kind of specialist. As a young teacher I learned more from others on my team than I ever did from principals or specialists.

Most elementary schools have a principal and an AP. They should be assisting teachers who are having difficulty. That is what they are paid to do. My guess is that they are at meetings at Gatehouse instead of being in the school.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: ch ch ch change ()
Date: May 18, 2013 08:57AM

The IC and other specialists are at meetings a lot as well. All of these people tend to "hang out" together and justify their time away from students in so many ways (have to learn about testing, how to count data and put it on spreadsheets, PLC theories, latest "research", make a presentation to the upper echelon, etc.). Many say that they are there to help teachers and not to help students (yes, they really say this if you ask them to help a student). Helping students is the number one thing, but they put everything else ahead of that. We would be better off paying for some IA's (could probably get two or three for the IC salary). The "former teacher" above hit the nail on the head. Most of my "help" when I was new came from other teachers (actually it was 100% from other teachers). I actually have more education and teaching experience than the specialist in my area. The IC position is there as a way for the administrator to "reward" someone in the building. The reward is that they don't have to teach anymore. Instead of this, higher pay and more responsibility should be part of a progessive system for teachers. No teacher should be completely outside the classroom, but higher level teachers should have duties and time to help newer teachers. This is something teachers would aspire to and it would not cause the resentment and low morale that is out there. The current situation with salaries (no step for another two years at least and very minimal raise of 1% in real terms) is another demoralizing situation. The ICs and "specialists" will become more and more resented as this situation continues. Change the paradigm!

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Vote out BOS ()
Date: May 18, 2013 10:39PM

I am all for cutting Instructional Coaches, but I don't begrudge a them personally for the pay the make, given their degree and the fact they WORK!

Instead of their pay could someone post the peoples names who get "short-term" financial assistnce. Fairfax County recently decided to not cut $225,000 of its short term financial assistance to roughly 100 people (roughly $2,250 for each as noted in #73 of the supervisors memo of reductions not taken) by placing those people at a higher priority than the county taxpayer and the county worker who they deny any pay increases to. Those are the names that would interest most!

Extra credit for the roughly 1,057 people who receive $585,910 in #67(roughly $ 554 for each person not counting the human capital resources used in #67 of the supervisors memo reductions not taken

Or how about the 360 adult names who take over 1 million in #71

Reductions not taken http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dmb/fy2014/advertised/cex-memo-bos-reductions-not-taken.pdf

With the exception of Herrity, we need to vote out the BOS, or hope Long, Bulova, Hudgins, and co. stop raising taxes to give away more of our money, not in county salaries, but to people who don't work!

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: pissed of parent ()
Date: May 18, 2013 11:22PM

Are you kidding me? Jenny Skerker was my daughter's 5th grade teacher and she is plain awful...she's teacher others how to teach for 65K? God help us all.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Gallysal ()
Date: May 19, 2013 08:38PM

We never have an entire day when both our AP and P are at school.
Always at gateway!

>
> Most elementary schools have a principal and an
> AP. They should be assisting teachers who are
> having difficulty. That is what they are paid to
> do. My guess is that they are at meetings at
> Gatehouse instead of being in the school.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: they should teach ()
Date: May 20, 2013 10:32AM

If these ICs are the "best" teachers than they should teach part of the time.

Other teachers could observe their oh so wonderful techniques instead of listening to them lecture.

That would free up some time for other teachers to plan.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Boil Jack Dale in Oil ()
Date: May 20, 2013 10:36AM

Fairfax Schools: instructional coaches and school spirit but not much else.

The legacy of Jack Dale.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Katie Mae ()
Date: May 20, 2013 08:03PM

Our IC uses the literacy resource teachers to assist her.
The kids needing reading intervention or LLI aren't pulled because our IC needs them to unpack standards.

Cville





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> Fairfax Schools: instructional coaches and school
> spirit but not much else.
>
> The legacy of Jack Dale.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: here's what it looks like ()
Date: May 20, 2013 10:26PM

@Katie Mae,

I would laugh if this weren't so close to the truth about these people. They find every excuse in the book not to work with the students. I guess they are above that.

Here's the scenario:

Teacher: Johnny is having trouble reading multisyllabic words. He loses comprehension because it takes him so long to read the sentence. He is also easily distracted.

IC or other specialist: Oh, you really need to differentiate your instruction. If only you would do that and give him some background information, his reading would increase by at least two grade levels. If you make an individualized lesson for Johnny, I will proofread it for you and let you know if it meets all the research-based criteria for a "good" lesson for Johnny. I can put boxes around things and attach a graphic organizer too.

Teacher: Oh, thank you. I know how busy you are with the data crunching. I think you are wonderful to help me so much with Johnny.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Vote out Herrity ()
Date: May 20, 2013 11:48PM

"With the exception of Herrity, we need to vote out the BOS, or hope Long, Bulova, Hudgins, and co. stop raising taxes to give away more of our money, not in county salaries, but to people who don't work!"

Vote them all out including Herrity. BTW agree about the taxes. Point is if Herrity is against raising them then what is he doing besides his usual comments to direct the Board to vote otherwise? He like his protege Schultz can't find consensus and both remain ostracized on their Boards. A clear lack of political skill on both their parts. They are 2 peas in a pod of self importance.

He goes with the rest, we need a fresh start in this county.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Vote out BOS ()
Date: May 21, 2013 04:59PM

@vote out Herrity
I understand your point but besides speaking out against it and voting against it, what would you have him do? At least he isn't John Cook who voted for the budget, but just said more should be cut. Apparently you feel this approach is better because he is not ostracized from the board? http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-04-23/local/38753836_1_tax-rate-school-board-assessed-value

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: tgbwc ()
Date: May 21, 2013 06:23PM

We just found out yesterday that an instructional coach is being hired for our building next year. Nobody is enthused about it, even though the principal tried to sell it to us as if this will be a great resource.

I'd rather see a few instructional assistants hired or even a classroom teacher to bring down the class sizes in the lower grades. Some people asked about these things, but were just given an anwser that avoided the question.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Vote out Herrity ()
Date: May 21, 2013 07:18PM

To Vote Out the Board-
Basically I feel they all should go. Penny Gross, Bulova and all have lost touch with Fairfax and have caused such growth that has not always been good. We spend millions on social services and cater to a vocal social services community. They talk about homelessness and ending homelessness in this county but we all know this is a lofty goal and will not take place. They spend millions on initiatives for a "healthier Fairfax" and waste taxpayer dollars on initiatives that they cannot measure.
If Herrity cannot articulate these expense items and work collectively to prevent such spending then he too needs to go. He has no friends on this Board and Cook can't stand him. Gross caused many of these problems with her housing initiatives on Little River Turnpike which crowed area schools and caused major social services issues. Route 1 has been a problem corridor for years and money continues to be diverted to the Reston/Tyson's area with only lip service for supporting other county hot spots.

They all need to go, the average age on that Board must be 72 we need new people to govern!

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: RE: Herrity ()
Date: May 22, 2013 06:35PM

I met him years ago...not too bright. Like a bull in a china shop and can't seem to get votes when they count. He has aspirations to go higher in politics. Ruined the election for Fimmian years ago. Too bad, we could of used Fimmian's intellect in Congress.

He is a climber and is still searching for a cause to take him to Congress or more likely Chairman.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Hmmm... ()
Date: May 24, 2013 05:38PM

Hmm...I think that all instructional staff should be working with kids! In my school, the reading specialist is now like an IC so they increased our class sizes and made a teacher a reading resource teacher--one who works with kids. Our IC and the data specialist run our meetings. All we talk about is assessment and scores. When we were getting the IC and data position, our principal proudly stood before us and told us that he worked hard to get these positions for us because WE deserved it--I'm sorry--we deserved more work and hoop jumping to justify someone's position? We do more paperwork that has NO impact on the students we teach.

Someone made a comment about the building having a principal and an AP that should help teachers teach--that would be all well and good if those administrators had actually taught in a classroom. We have people who preach "best practices" to us and they don't have a clue because they went into admin from positions like librarians, tech specialists, PE teachers, etc.

All instructional staff should be with kids. A reduction in class size would make a world of difference. I can easily manage a class of 25 but when you increase that size to 32-34, students have to take turns getting teacher time so you know someone's getting left out. I don't need one more person telling me what to do--I need someone to make things manageable!

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Salty dog ()
Date: May 24, 2013 11:09PM

Sounds like the ES where I work

Three people are tied up with data collection and structuring quarterly plans for teachers by grade level. They never get to work with students.


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> Hmm...I think that all instructional staff should
> be working with kids! In my school, the reading
> specialist is now like an IC so they increased our
> class sizes and made a teacher a reading resource
> teacher--one who works with kids. Our IC and the
> data specialist run our meetings. All we talk
> about is assessment and scores. When we were
> getting the IC and data position, our principal
> proudly stood before us and told us that he worked
> hard to get these positions for us because WE
> deserved it--I'm sorry--we deserved more work and
> hoop jumping to justify someone's position? We do
> more paperwork that has NO impact on the students
> we teach.
>
> Someone made a comment about the building having a
> principal and an AP that should help teachers
> teach--that would be all well and good if those
> administrators had actually taught in a classroom.
> We have people who preach "best practices" to us
> and they don't have a clue because they went into
> admin from positions like librarians, tech
> specialists, PE teachers, etc.
>
> All instructional staff should be with kids. A
> reduction in class size would make a world of
> difference. I can easily manage a class of 25 but
> when you increase that size to 32-34, students
> have to take turns getting teacher time so you
> know someone's getting left out. I don't need one
> more person telling me what to do--I need someone
> to make things manageable!

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: FCPS EMPLOYEE ()
Date: May 25, 2013 01:09AM

Those who can Teach,
those who cannot get promoted into supervisory positions at the GH

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: vet teacher ()
Date: May 25, 2013 07:09AM

This is one of the most valuable strands ON FU. Reading between the lines we conclude that data measurement reigns, and love of learning and teaching is on its way out. The entire strand should be sent to every school board member as required summer reading. They have been suckered into supporting this additional layer of administration. When someone can measure a spark in a child's eye when they "get it" then measurement is valid. The continual testing and measurement and testing again and again = child abuse. What student in 20 years will say, "Boy I just loved my SOL's!" The answer is not one. Companies like Pearson who treated high ups across the nation to a trip to Australia to reel them in are the only ones to profit. Parents should speak up and say: We have had enough! But this must be said to the politicians that are ruining education as well as other national treasures. RE: FCPS - only the SB can say curb the prep, curb the data collection and analysis, restart teaching and bring the love back into the profession.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: vet teacher is spot on ()
Date: May 25, 2013 12:38PM

I love you vet teacher!!!

What really scares me is watching the new teachers eat all this stuff up. They believe this is "teaching" and "learning" (because they are told this is it by their "bosses", the IC people, etc.). I am so disheartened by this. Education starts with the students, not data and testing!!! They have taken the joy out of learning completely. We are paying a huge price in both dollars and souls. I loved school back when I was growing up (before all of this). I loved teaching for years. I still love students, but I don't love what we are being told to do to them. I hate seeing them so unhappy. The testing and standardization is beyond absurd levels. Nobody seems to be able to think anymore---we're all just robots in the system.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: whowouldthink ()
Date: May 25, 2013 09:53PM

I work in a school with with a full time EC who spends 0% of her time working with students, 2 reading teachers who spend 0% of time with students, two Title I math teachers who spend 0% of their time working with students -- all five of these individuals spend their entire day "facilitating" CLTs, crunching numbers, and using smoke and mirrors tactics to make the building principal appear competent. Total cost for these number cruncher/facilitators -- a minimum of $350,000. Without a doubt, their salaries would be far better spent on hiring 10 IA's who would actually help "facilitate" student learning.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Hmmm... ()
Date: May 27, 2013 06:13PM

Whowouldthink...

You must be in a Title I school with all those "resources"...lol! I bet you spend more time listening to those number crunchers and facilitators than you do planning for the education of your over-sized class. I spend two hours and fifteen minutes in CLTs every week and just about every Monday afternoon in a ridiculous meeting. I'm down to about 80 minutes of planning time per week. We were told that CLT took priority over EVERYTHING else--no leaving CLT for parent conferences, parent phone calls, or to PEE!

I'm thinking that if building admins were actually once teachers, they wouldn't need all these people trying to make them look good. Also--if they would just let us teach--and stop micromanaging us, we'd make them look good on our own by doing what we love to do--teach!

PS...Next year, I'm sure they will post a teacher bathroom schedule--every other minute of our day is eaten away with meetings and such--I'm sure they think they could squeeze in more meeting time if the restroom schedule was tighter!

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: a modest proposal ()
Date: May 27, 2013 09:26PM

Since, as some claim, Fairfax schools' athletic programs are a "cash cow" how about diverting some of this cash to the coaches and language teachers?

If it turns out athletics aren't a cash cow, then Jack Dale has to make a choice-athletics or the instructional aides. He can't have it all, as school scores suck anyway.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Be less of a douche ()
Date: May 27, 2013 10:57PM

a modest proposal Wrote:
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> He can't have it all, as
> school scores suck anyway.


You know that FCPS is one of the highest performing districts in the state, right?

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Reality ()
Date: May 27, 2013 11:13PM

>>You know that FCPS is one of the highest performing districts in the state, right?

No, they just have a great PR department. SOL's are minimum competency tests. If you are comparing them to those hick districts in Southern Virginia or the urban schools of DC, then sure FCPS is high performing. But compared to other school districts like Arlington and Loudoun? FCPS ain't making great strides. Check the numbers.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: apples to apples ()
Date: May 28, 2013 05:22PM

What really needs to be compared are equal socioeconomic demographic groups from each district (an apples to apples comparison). Compare scores of those students whose families make over 100K from various districts. Then compare students whose families make less than 30K per year across various districts. I would wager that the differences in scores will not be much between these subgroups from different districts.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: 2 + 2 = ???? ()
Date: May 29, 2013 12:15PM

Something is VERY wrong when taxes go up and services go down.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Reality part II ()
Date: May 29, 2013 02:21PM

First, you left out the part where I was responding directly to someone who stated that FCPS' scores sucked. So yes, it is the lowest common denominator but they are indeed one of the highest performing districts.

Second, I did compare them to Arlington and Loudoun. In reading, FCPS is ahead of both Loudoun and Arlington. In math, FCPS is ahead of Loudoun and even with Arlington.

You can check for yourself if you like: https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/reportcard/

Reality Wrote:
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> >>You know that FCPS is one of the highest
> performing districts in the state, right?
>
> No, they just have a great PR department. SOL's
> are minimum competency tests. If you are comparing
> them to those hick districts in Southern Virginia
> or the urban schools of DC, then sure FCPS is high
> performing. But compared to other school districts
> like Arlington and Loudoun? FCPS ain't making
> great strides. Check the numbers.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: problem solved ()
Date: May 29, 2013 05:54PM

If we didn't have so many crappy teachers than we wouldn't need these coaches.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: You rock.... Vet teach ()
Date: May 29, 2013 09:53PM

Thanks for posting this.
I refuse to cooperate with this system that treats students and teachers as data units instead of human beings. What is happening in education is just plain wrong. My students are not the sum total of their test

The bottom line is that we, the teachers, are working harder than ever while many of our students are doing little or nothing. Teachers will not be allowed to give a zero to a student who does not complete an assignment. This has not been officially announced, but we all know it is coming. We are enabling students to avoid responsibility and rewarding those who do nothing instead of those who try to do their best.

The entire field of teaching has changed. I'm a teacher not a data collector!
Three hours each WEEk in CT meetings.




> should be sent to every school board member as
> required summer reading. They have been suckered
> into supporting this additional layer of
> administration. When someone can measure a spark
> in a child's eye when they "get it" then
> measurement is

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Custer me the same ()
Date: May 29, 2013 10:07PM

This is the situation at my TITLE 1 school.

Cluster me the Same!
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> I work in a school with with a full time EC who
> spends 0% of her time working with students, 2
> reading teachers who spend 0% of time with
> students, two Title I math teachers who spend 0%
> of their time working with students -- all five of
> these individuals spend their entire day
> "facilitating" CLTs, crunching numbers, and using
> smoke and mirrors tactics to make the building
> principal appear competent. Total cost for these
> number cruncher/facilitators -- a minimum of
> $350,000. Without a doubt, their salaries would be
> far better spent on hiring 10 IA's who would
> actually help "facilitate" student learning.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: 7Y7Ey ()
Date: May 22, 2014 12:19PM

V7Y7Ey

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: wankitywank ()
Date: May 22, 2014 01:20PM

FCPS Novice Teacher Wrote:
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> Dance of the lemons?! To become an instructional
> coach in FCPS, you must demonstrate exceptional
> teaching in your own classroom (teacher evaluation
> and student progress is considered), have
> recommendations from both administrators in your
> school AND teachers in your school, and complete
> an application which includes writing an essay
> about applying best practices in education to
> close achievement gaps. Your application and
> resume is then screened before you are considered
> for an interview. Those who get to the interview
> stage must also prepare a mock professional
> development session to present before the
> interview panel. Each year, a number of candidates
> who may not be considered to be ready to take on
> the role of an instructional coach have the
> opportunity to be part of a learning cohort to
> prepare themselves for the role. As a novice
> teacher, I am not yet ready, but appreciate the
> work my coach does, and I aspire to become a coach
> later in my career. Hope this clarifies some of
> your misunderstanding.


Good luck getting the wankers here to think logically about anything other than their own delusional screeds. You see, people who are failures point to people who are successful and want what they have however, the failures are unwilling to do the work and put in the time to get the certifications to do so. Amazing because, with the amount of time they spend on their whining, petulant screeds, they could actually be bettering themselves and their positions in life. What a concept!

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: reality ()
Date: May 22, 2014 05:43PM

FCPS Novice Teacher Wrote:
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> Dance of the lemons?! To become an instructional
> coach in FCPS, you must demonstrate exceptional
> teaching in your own classroom (teacher evaluation
> and student progress is considered), have
> recommendations from both administrators in your
> school AND teachers in your school, and complete
> an application which includes writing an essay
> about applying best practices in education to
> close achievement gaps. Your application and
> resume is then screened before you are considered
> for an interview. Those who get to the interview
> stage must also prepare a mock professional
> development session to present before the
> interview panel. Each year, a number of candidates
> who may not be considered to be ready to take on
> the role of an instructional coach have the
> opportunity to be part of a learning cohort to
> prepare themselves for the role. As a novice
> teacher, I am not yet ready, but appreciate the
> work my coach does, and I aspire to become a coach
> later in my career. Hope this clarifies some of
> your misunderstanding.


I know a coach who was NOT a classroom teacher.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Elem. Teacher ()
Date: May 22, 2014 08:47PM

same issue at my school......full time reading specialist and instructional coach who spend 0% of the school day working with children. Hiring 4 IAs instaed of these 2 "teaching" positions would have a more significant impact on student achievement.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: TruthTeller ()
Date: May 23, 2014 08:14AM

remarx Wrote:
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> It never ceases to surprise me that so many people
> can judge someone out of ignorance. If you don't
> know what a coach does, how can you even begin to
> judge?


BECAUSE WE DONT HAVE THE MONEY ANYMORE TO PAY THEM! It kills me that Fairfax County is so spoiled that no one is willing to give up anything. These Coaches, Special Ed teachers, Shadow teachers, Sub school Principals, are all good when you can afford them, BUT we cannot afford them anymore. Wake up and realize that cuts have to be made. I am sorry we cannot afford to pay a FT "teacher" to follow little Jimmy around because he has special needs. I know it is cruel to hear, but you cannot allow the minority to rule the over whelming majority. It is time to make the tough choices and either Programs and or Teachers are going to be eliminated. Pay Teachers to teach, in fact increase their pay, and eliminate these support people who manage, advise, collect, shadow, interpret, or anything that is not directly teaching the vast majority of our students.

We do not have the money to pay for these "extras" anymore.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Mmmmmmm ()
Date: May 24, 2014 11:54AM

FCPS Should Layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary Foreign Language Teachers!

I concur wholeheartedly!!! They are a WASTE. Students do not know what is going on in these classes/instructions. They are just as confused as the principals who have no knowledge of what is transpiring in these classes.

I could see if students were tested on their knowledge of the subject in the foreign language of instruction, on the other hand, they are not! It is all for nothing!!!!!!!!!

Ironically, the students fail the SOL Test of the subject taught in a foreign language because they have not internalized the basic concepts!!!!!

FCPS wastes MONEY (my tax money!) on bullshit approaches they think will make the county look good compared to other Virginia counties.....

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Better Plan... ()
Date: May 24, 2014 12:16PM

Mmmmmmm Wrote:
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> FCPS wastes MONEY (my tax money!) on bullshit
> approaches they think will make the county look
> good compared to other Virginia counties.....

What Fairfax County should do is look into ways to deport assholes like you to some goober county somewhere where education is routinely horrible. You know, like where you grew up.

By the way, you don't have any input to or say over how your taxes are used once you pay them. Not your money anymore. Are you bright enough to comprehend that much? I kind of doubt it.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: The more you know ()
Date: May 24, 2014 12:40PM

Instructional coaches interpet data coming from student testing, and adjust the scope and direction of the lessons to meet the needs of those students. Teachers are not only teaching to the test, but those tests are given every several weeks...that's what eCART is (if you've heard that term). Students take an eCART test, and with that data the instructional coaches determine by percentage which answers on the tests students understand, and which concepts need to be reinforced/retaught so that students are best prepared for SOL tests. The expense of FCPS instructional coaches are miniscule when compared to the eCART software, hundreds of laptops per school, hubs, mainframes, and IT personnel needed to administer testing. It is what it is. When Bush signed into law NCLB requiring standardized testing, Virgina school divisions had to find $750M that first year to pay for software and computers alone for that unfunded mandate, and the costs have exponentially spiraled upwards over the years.

Much like the huge budget of our national defense program is held hostage by defense contractors who sell equipment at inflated costs, schools are likewise held hostage by companies like Pearson who are the "providers" of educational software, etc. that are unfortunately needed to accomplish testing.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Also ()
Date: May 24, 2014 12:43PM

And sorry, eliminating special education teachers isn't going to happen. The support that's needed for special needs students has been federal law for at least a generation.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Facts of the Matter ()
Date: May 24, 2014 01:07PM

The more you know Wrote:
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> When Bush signed into law NCLB requiring standardized
> testing, Virgina school divisions had to find $750M
> that first year to pay for software and computers
> alone for that unfunded mandate, and the costs have
> exponentially spiraled upwards over the years.

NCLB has been a gigantic and expensive failure. But Republicans in Congress are not going to allow the huge slap in the face to George W Bush that sensibly scrapping the law would bring. Instead, the Obama administration has been granting state by state waivers that essentially dismantle NCLB where suitable alternative programs to improve schools and assure teacher competence have been put in place. Unless voters somehow become wise enough simply to vote Republicans out of office, the state waiver process will be the best path forward for a while.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Facts of the Matter ()
Date: May 24, 2014 01:26PM

Also Wrote:
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> And sorry, eliminating special education teachers
> isn't going to happen. The support that's needed
> for special needs students has been federal law
> for at least a generation.

The Supreme Court has clearly noted that denial of appropriate public education to disabled children is a violation of their due process rights. The major federal acts to assure that such education is provided were signed into law by Gerald Ford in 1975 and by George H W Bush in 1990.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: adds up to zero ()
Date: May 24, 2014 01:29PM

NCLB was a bipartisan effort. Ted Kennedy was on the left supporting it although it was Bush's baby. Yes, it has been a terrible waste for taxpayers and a huge boon for companies like Pearson. The federal government never funded it, but put mandates on the states and school divisions who were left to pay for it. Obama and Arne Duncan might be trying to dismantle NCLB, but they are putting in place their own "reforms" like "Race to the Top" and teacher evaluations based on standardized testing. These "reforms" are equally useless in terms of helping students achieve more, but bureaucracies like to make changes in order to say that they did something (and to justify jobs).

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: arrogance ()
Date: May 24, 2014 01:35PM

"By the way, you don't have any input to or say over how your taxes are used once you pay them. Not your money anymore. Are you bright enough to comprehend that much? I kind of doubt it."


Are you bright enough to understand that we are supposed to live in a democracy and that those taxes are OUR money (even after we paid them)? Do you get that we are supposed to be involved in the running of our government and that we are supposed to have representatives who actually represent us? Do you get that the poster has freedom of speech? Do you get that people who don't understand what the government is doing need to ask questions and get answers (getting answers is tough; it seems it's easier just to tell someone that they aren't bright enough to comprehend and just fork tell them to fork over the money).

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Stupid people say stupid things ()
Date: November 08, 2014 12:18PM

Sadly your 5 th grade student who had Jenny Skerker has your genes and there isn't much a good teacher can do when the genes are that bad. My three girls had her at Powell and all of them still sing Mrs Skerker's praises when asked why they do so well in school.

You are a moron

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: taxp ()
Date: November 08, 2014 12:40PM

This was posted by Ms. Skerker I bet...took that comment way too seriously.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: morph ()
Date: November 09, 2014 10:22PM

school system has morphed into a mess. complete loss that the mission is to educate students.

need to unload the administrators and ridiculous positions, pay the teachers, and give the teachers admn assistance.

good students from hard working families are getting lost in the bullcrap as the school panders to the majority requiring special needs and free services.

stop watching the teachers and help the teachers so they can teach students. stop judging the students and prepare them for college.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: stop it now ()
Date: November 10, 2014 07:09AM

"stop watching the teachers and help the teachers so they can teach students. stop judging the students and prepare them for college."


Amen! Stop funding positions that claim to be "school based", but in fact are not! Fund more teachers who actually are accountable to the students (and not to some frickin' test). Stop all the pulling of admin. for meetings that are useless. Start doing the REAL work that we all know is the core mission.

So tired of what is going on . . . the waste is ridiculous.

Federal workers may lose locality pay and when that happens, watch out. FCPS will have to cut back.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Mmmmmmm ()
Date: November 10, 2014 02:11PM

Instructional coaches are young, inexperienced, know-nothings who have not taught long enough to help veteran teachers do anything......

Somebody needs to get a grip....try looping and ascertaining what students were NOT TAUGHT and bring them up-to-par.

All of this instructional coaching s-h-i-t is a way for supervisors to not get out of their chairs and their offices to see the light of day!

Supervisors need to perform the job they are paid to do....visit classrooms and impart their knowledge.....

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: junk ()
Date: November 10, 2014 07:34PM

what the heck are they teaching anyway? school system thinks they know what AP is, I took 4 years of college classes and didn't have to do half of the bullshit that is required in high school AP. college professors in large public universities would never teach class like these egotistical high school people. school administrators work in vacuum, they need to get out and experience the real world.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Hire more IAs, teachers, or save$ ()
Date: November 12, 2014 10:02PM

The only people who think instructional coaches are valuable are the administrators who's message the instructional coach promotes. Everyone who works in a school knows the school would be better off with more Instructional Assistants or more general Ed teachers who actually teach students. The fact coaches are still in the budget shows the waste the county can still cut.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: teacher1245556 ()
Date: November 13, 2014 07:12AM

Hire more IAs, teachers, or save$ Wrote:
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> The only people who think instructional coaches
> are valuable are the administrators who's message
> the instructional coach promotes. Everyone who
> works in a school knows the school would be better
> off with more Instructional Assistants or more
> general Ed teachers who actually teach students.
> The fact coaches are still in the budget shows the
> waste the county can still cut.


principals love them because if they do the work the work they would have to do. Teachers do not like them because of how of how much they do not appear to do anything but cause them more work and headache

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: onehundred ()
Date: November 13, 2014 07:42AM

100k to teach illiterates - that seems excessive. What a gig! Make nearly twice what an average teacher makes by 'hanging' out in classrooms translating.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: 74LjP ()
Date: November 13, 2014 09:40AM

Where are all these IC crunching numbers for the classrooms to identify problem teachers??

In 30 minutes I could pick out the 2-3 problem teachers/classes by just looking over the students grades and class averages and comparing this info to other similiar classes/teachers in the same school, pyramid or district.

In whole my kids have had some wonderful teachers, but I would say there is about a 15-20% of the teacher population that is protected by the Pricipals, School Board or Teachers Union.

Many of these teachers are protected and need to have been sent out the door YEARS ago, but they continue to spoil the situation for student after student.

It I showed up to a job and did as poorly as some of these teachers, I would not have the job for a the most 1 week, but many of these problem teachers are still there 20+ years later.

I am seeing many, many students getting out from under these bad teachers by going to online classes. It is not rocket science when there are 10 or less kids in a class because they have all bailed out to online classes.

Why do these teachers still have a job in these sitations??

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Stay in school, Junior... ()
Date: November 13, 2014 09:53AM

Work hard. Do your homework. Try to get ahead. It probably won't do any good, but trying always beats not trying.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Look it up, stupid ()
Date: November 13, 2014 10:13AM

Mmmmmmm Wrote:
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> Instructional coaches are young, inexperienced,
> know-nothings who have not taught long enough to
> help veteran teachers do anything......

That's exactly backwards, dumbass. Instructional coaches are like master plumbers training an apprentice, a senior partner mentoring a young law associate, or a senior physician making rounds with interns and residents.

Particularly when we seriously underfund our schools -- as we have in Fairfax County since 2008 -- we see increasing teacher turnover, meaning that we have younger and less experienced teachers in the classroom. Instructional coaches are a way to leverage some of the knowledge that remains into a broader range of situations.

Whatever school system you went through may have failed you miserably, but that's no reason to do the same to others.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: wrong analogy ()
Date: November 13, 2014 06:07PM

"That's exactly backwards, dumbass. Instructional coaches are like master plumbers training an apprentice, a senior partner mentoring a young law associate, or a senior physician making rounds with interns and residents."


Major difference:

Master plumbers, senior partners, and senior physicians actually practice their trade/craft at least 90% of the time. They do not spend 100% of their time "coaching" or whatever you want to call it ("mentoring"). They would be of little value to their boss/firm/hospital if they did not contribute to the practice outside of whatever the "mentoring" duties are. This is the problem with the instructional coaches. They can coach, but they should also have classes that they teach---otherwise they are a huge drain on the system. Teachers have already had "student teaching" (apprenticeships) along with coursework. Administrators and department chairs can help. It seems that teachers used to get along without these "coaches". Teachers actually helped each other in the old days and this worked well since the younger teachers respected someone who was actually DOING the job (much like what happens with master plumbers, senior partners, and senior physicians). Also, when you are DOING the job, you are still refining your craft. Once you stop, you are not improving in the "real world" of teaching. These people quickly become instruments of the administration and are less like teachers.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: TDNmY ()
Date: November 13, 2014 06:12PM

Educational Coaches = Consultants.

We all know Consultants are overpaid and make recommendations that nobody ever implements.

The Consul ants get paid, the problems never get resolved!

Rinse and repeat.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Look it up, stupid ()
Date: November 13, 2014 06:56PM

wrong analogy Wrote:
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> Major difference:

No difference. Masters training and guiding up-and-comers. Simple fact. Look it up, stupid. Which is what you should have done in the first place.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: neTjt ()
Date: November 13, 2014 07:05PM

Look it up, stupid Wrote:
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> wrong analogy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Major difference:
>
> No difference. Masters training and guiding
> up-and-comers. Simple fact. Look it up, stupid.
> Which is what you should have done in the first
> place.


BS. A lot of them have taught for only a short time before becoming coaches. It's a separate track.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: ROFLMAO ()
Date: November 13, 2014 07:06PM

"No difference. Masters training and guiding up-and-comers. Simple fact. Look it up, stupid. Which is what you should have done in the first place."


Do you have a link for that?

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: what they are ()
Date: November 13, 2014 07:11PM

"BS. A lot of them have taught for only a short time before becoming coaches. It's a separate track."

+1 they are more like the minions for the admins---they do what admin wants and not what teachers need

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Look it up, stupid ()
Date: November 13, 2014 07:46PM

neTjt Wrote:
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> BS. A lot of them have taught for only a short
> time before becoming coaches. It's a separate
> track.

Then it took them less time to become teacher masters/leaders than others. Duh!

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Look it up, stupid ()
Date: November 13, 2014 07:48PM

ROFLMAO Wrote:
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> Do you have a link for that?

Do you have any idea what the phrase "Look it up, stupid" means? How much more plainly does one need to speak here?

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: Look it up, stupid ()
Date: November 13, 2014 07:53PM

what they are Wrote:
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> +1 they are more like the minions for the
> admins---they do what admin wants and not what
> teachers need

Coaches work in the classroom with teachers and students. Their function is to promote and develop best practices among all those they work with. They are not assassin-bots sent from the Gatehouse Death Star.

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Re: FCPS should layoff Instructional Coaches and Elementary schools foreign language "teachers"
Posted by: xVjXu ()
Date: November 13, 2014 08:14PM

Look it up, stupid Wrote:
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> neTjt Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > BS. A lot of them have taught for only a short
> > time before becoming coaches. It's a separate
> > track.
>
> Then it took them less time to become teacher
> masters/leaders than others. Duh!


Duh indeed.

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