Republicans have increased sales taxes on consumers and primarily the middle and poor classes. Looks as though Republicans do raise taxes. Primarily on the poor.

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How does the cash register know I'm poor to raise sales taxes on me?

Puzzled Wrote:
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> How does the cash register know I'm poor to raise
> sales taxes on me?


Sales taxes are the most predominant types of regressive taxes. That means they predominantly affect the poor and middles class more than any other form of tax. They're also a tax favored by Republicans for raising. And the only tax that seems to be acceptable for Republicans to raise.

I wonder the fuck why. Looks like you learned something new today.

Puzzled Wrote:
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> How does the cash register know I'm poor to raise
> sales taxes on me?

You do not understand tax impact...suggest you learn.

[having typed that, the idea of "tax the consumer" has some merit, IMHO, despite the fact that any fixed-percent tax impacts lower incomes more than higher ones]

I cant believe they are hitting me with a increase in sales tax. I will have to cut back on my liquor and narcotics. Might even have to reduce to basic cable. Lucky I still have my section 8 luxury condo. free medical and dental, food stamps, WIC, obamaphone and free school meals.

I have lived here many years and have yet to see a really poor person. You want to see poor then get out of this country and visit Africa or India.

I know what "regressive" taxes are. I also know what stupid taxes are (the lottery), of which the poor, disproportionately, pay quite a bit. Since you want to look out for them so much, take up a cause to ban them from playing--it's for their own good.

Point is the sales taxes are raised on everyone. Title implies otherwise.

fairfax poor guy Wrote:
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> I cant believe they are hitting me with a increase
> in sales tax. I will have to cut back on my liquor
> and narcotics. Might even have to reduce to basic
> cable. Lucky I still have my section 8 luxury
> condo. free medical and dental, food stamps, WIC,
> obamaphone and free school meals.


Illegal narcotics aren't subject to state sales taxes. If you're going to be a stupid Republican with a terrible sense of sarcasm, at least be accurate.

The point here is, I thought the only moral objective Republicans had was that of being against increased taxation.

Republicans like to project themselves as being for higher taxes for everybody. But that's not true. They raise sales taxes and registration fee's. They love regressive taxes. If we had a federal sales tax they would be all over it in congress right now.

This may come as a shock to the OP, but (wait for it)...

ALL politicians like more taxes. The only differences are in the details. At least NoVa gets to keep this tax increase.

Jess1 Wrote:
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> This may come as a shock to the OP, but (wait for
> it)...
>
> ALL politicians like more taxes. The only
> differences are in the details. At least NoVa gets
> to keep this tax increase.


Once again, the point seems to evade our less capable citizens. This is about Republican hypocrisy on taxes, taxes going up on Virginians as a result. And the fact that Republicans raise taxes on the poor and middle class without a thought about it.

Do you need me to write you a book with footnotes?

"the point seems to evade our less capable citizens"
It's a shame that you can't understand the simple concept that political figures tend to, as do all bureaucratic figures, undertake steps to increase their influence, regardless of their title...

truthfulenlightment Wrote:
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> Republicans have increased sales taxes on
> consumers and primarily the middle and poor
> classes. Looks as though Republicans do raise
> taxes. Primarily on the poor.


Nice try. There was equal support from VA democrats, you brainwashed libtard.

truthfulenlightment Wrote:
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> Republicans have increased sales taxes on
> consumers and primarily the middle and poor
> classes. Looks as though Republicans do raise
> taxes. Primarily on the poor.


So are taxes being increased "primarily on the middle and poor classes" or are they being raised "primarily on the poor?" Typical libspeak, they can't make up their mind who their favorite victim is, but as long as there is a victim they are happy. Well, as happy as a lib could possibly be.

Jess1 Wrote:
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> "the point seems to evade our less capable
> citizens"
> It's a shame that you can't understand the simple
> concept that political figures tend to, as do all
> bureaucratic figures, undertake steps to increase
> their influence, regardless of their title...


Let me try this again. The argument I've put forward is that Republicans strongly obsess over the refusal to raise taxes on the federal level. But when there are regressive taxes, they promote them and pass them.

Republicans = No Federal Progressive taxes on the rich
Republicans = Yes State Sales taxes on the poor and middle consumer classes

Do you understand the fuckin point now? Do you need a fuckin picture? Someone make this fuck a poster or something.

Uh, all politicians like to increase influence. Uhh, I think I know what I'm talking about like a fuckin idiot that refuses address the actual point. Uhh, bureaucrats, uhh, uhh, uhh stfu.

vision quest Wrote:
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> I have lived here many years and have yet to see a
> really poor person. You want to see poor then get
> out of this country and visit Africa or India.

You don't know where to look then my friend.

Jess1 Wrote:
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> It's a shame that you can't understand the simple
> concept that political figures tend to, as do all
> bureaucratic figures, undertake steps to increase
> their influence, regardless of their title...

Same is true for many of those outside of government.

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"The argument I've put forward is that Republicans strongly obsess over the refusal to raise taxes on the federal level"
And you'd still be incorrect. Sure, they waffle over income taxes, but when in the last half century has either party voted down an entire tax package?

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> vision quest Wrote:
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> -----
> > I have lived here many years and have yet to see
> a
> > really poor person. You want to see poor then
> get
> > out of this country and visit Africa or India.
>
> You don't know where to look then my friend.

So you want to tell us or do you just like to see yourself post dumb replies?

This is a common characteristic of low level Republican mindless drones. In any event which exposes Republican hypocrisy and lack of integrity. Which is of course a very common problem with the Republican party. Simply fall back on ridiculous arguments that don't address the specifics.

Comments like, Democrats like raising taxes too. What the objective is, is to simplify the discussion to its common denominator and actually attempt to make whatever the misconduct is acceptable behavior.

You can't reach a conclusion because the basis of your complex argument is senselessly simplified and misrepresented by the intellectually dishonest.

"You can't reach a conclusion"

? Is English your second language? My conclusion is well stated, and your "argument" is demostratedly false.

Good day to you...

Jess1 Wrote:
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> "The argument I've put forward is that Republicans
> strongly obsess over the refusal to raise taxes on
> the federal level"
> And you'd still be incorrect. Sure, they waffle
> over income taxes, but when in the last half
> century has either party voted down an entire tax
> package?


I don't know what country you're from. But opposition to federal taxes has been a long standing Republican agenda and has brought the government to it's knees with a multitude of fiscal crisis over the past four years specifically because of the issue of the retraction of tax cuts for the wealth and the elimination of tax loop holes.

Once again, I'm talking about the United States of America and our political parties. At this point I'm not even sure you're on the same planet. I think you're no longer worth responding to.

All these ass wipes have is they supposedly don't want to raise taxes on you. And that's not even true.

Rich people don't pay sales taxes?

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> Rich people don't pay sales taxes?


Your lack of understanding the discussion has already been addressed in this thread.

Oy vey Wrote:
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> So you want to tell us or do you just like to see
> yourself post dumb replies?

So what do you want to know? People living in outdoor camps in structures made out of cast off plastic, cardboard and scraps of wood. People foraging for their meals in garbage cans. People who haven't bathed or shaved since...what year is it. There used to be a camp down off Route 1 that has been mentioned on this site before, and occassionally I'd talk with residents when I stopped for gas.

Now I've also seen people like those vision quest is describing when I help do meal deliveries...people who have places to stay, for now, who have access to prepared meals, on occassion. Far better situation than those camp residents but still a far cry from the luxury condo dwellers that some on this site talked of.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Oy vey Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So you want to tell us or do you just like to
> see
> > yourself post dumb replies?
>
> So what do you want to know? People living in
> outdoor camps in structures made out of cast off
> plastic, cardboard and scraps of wood. People
> foraging for their meals in garbage cans. People
> who haven't bathed or shaved since...what year is
> it. There used to be a camp down off Route 1 that
> has been mentioned on this site before, and
> occassionally I'd talk with residents when I
> stopped for gas.
>
> Now I've also seen people like those vision quest
> is describing when I help do meal
> deliveries...people who have places to stay, for
> now, who have access to prepared meals, on
> occassion. Far better situation than those camp
> residents but still a far cry from the luxury
> condo dwellers that some on this site talked of.


You told vision quest that he doesn't know where to look to see a really poor person. So tell us where to look to find the really poor people. Don't describe how a really poor person would live or places that don't exist anymore, tell us where exactly there are really poor people. Or just keep rambling on and enjoy posting nonsense.

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> Rich people don't pay sales taxes?

Sales taxes take a far smaller percentage of high-income folks incomes than from low income folks.

Ergo, sales taxes are more impactfull to poor folks.

Knower of Things Wrote:
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> BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> > Rich people don't pay sales taxes?
>
> Sales taxes take a far smaller percentage of
> high-income folks incomes than from low income
> folks.
>
> Ergo, sales taxes are more impactfull to poor
> folks.

Reaching...far

You can start with the internet. I believe this story is fairly recent:

http://fairfaxcity.patch.com/articles/fairfax-county-registers-chronically-homeless-741238df

Or if you volunteer for one of the programs such as FACETS that deliver free meals in the county I'm sure you will learn where some of them are.

DMuxF Wrote:
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> Reaching...far

Thank you for this most thoughtful, nuanced response.

You have contributed significantly to the conversation.

Huzzah!

Knower of Things Wrote:
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> BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> > Rich people don't pay sales taxes?
>
> Sales taxes take a far smaller percentage of
> high-income folks incomes than from low income
> folks.
>
> Ergo, sales taxes are more impactfull to poor
> folks.


Impactfull? Geez...

The only reason that the concept of a "progressive" tax system exists is as justification to, as Willie Sutton said, go where the money is. We can't generate enough revenue otherwise given the cost of government services at the levels that now exist.

"Poor folks" pay the same percentage in sales tax as anyone else. It's no more inherently unfair than is the fact that spending for basic needs represents a higher percentage of their income generally. i.e., food and rent are higher percentages as well. Is that inherently unfair? Given that they are, by definition, poor, they are presumed to spend less and contribute less to total revenues on a dollar basis.

The "rich" are presumed to spend more and, thus, contribute more to the total. What the percentage works out to be largely is irrelevant.

If you don't like that they are taxed, then maybe you should look at what's driving the requirements to tax and at what levels to begin with given that ANY tax is unfair on the same basis.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> You can start with the internet. I believe this
> story is fairly recent:
>
> http://fairfaxcity.patch.com/articles/fairfax-coun
> ty-registers-chronically-homeless-741238df
>
> Or if you volunteer for one of the programs such
> as FACETS that deliver free meals in the county
> I'm sure you will learn where some of them are.


"I've been homeless for about 25 years," Chris said. "Spring and fall are great. It's winter and summer that suck."

That tells me there's more going on many if not most such cases of "chronic homelessness," as they call it, than simply being poor.

Fair Share Wrote:
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> "Poor folks" pay the same percentage in sales tax
> as anyone else. It's no more inherently unfair
> than is the fact that spending for basic needs
> represents a higher percentage of their income
> generally. i.e., food and rent are higher
> percentages as well. Is that inherently unfair?

Once basic needs are met, higher-income folks have the discretion to not spending. Lower-income folks do not have that luxury. Here's a highly simplified example:

Someone who earns $30k/year might spend $25K on basic needs. If the sales tax were 10%, the $30k earner would pay $2,500 in taxes, or 8.3% of their income in taxes. Someone who earns $100K/year and spends $25K on basic needs would pay just 2.5% of their income in taxes. Sure, the $100k earner could spend more of their income and pay more taxes, but they wouldn't HAVE to, which is not the case for the $30K earner.

This is why sales taxes are more harmful to lower-income perople than they are to higher-income people.

> If you don't like that they are taxed, then maybe
> you should look at what's driving the requirements
> to tax and at what levels to begin with given that
> ANY tax is unfair on the same basis.

In the current system, the poor, by and large, do not pay taxes. That is a good thing.

truthfulenlightment Wrote:
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> Republicans have increased sales taxes on
> consumers and primarily the middle and poor
> classes. Looks as though Republicans do raise
> taxes. Primarily on the poor.

You mean the wealthy don't pay sales taxes? I didn't know that.

truthfulenlightment Wrote:
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> Puzzled Wrote:
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> > How does the cash register know I'm poor to
> raise
> > sales taxes on me?
>
>
> Sales taxes are the most predominant types of
> regressive taxes. That means they predominantly
> affect the poor and middles class more than any
> other form of tax. They're also a tax favored by
> Republicans for raising. And the only tax that
> seems to be acceptable for Republicans to raise.
>
>
> I wonder the fuck why. Looks like you learned
> something new today.


The poor are NOT more affected by sales tax RATES than the wealthy. Wealthy people SPEND MORE and thus PAY MORE sales taxes on more expensive items.

Poor people shopping at WalMart don't generate a lot of sales tax revenue.

vision quest Wrote:
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> I have lived here many years and have yet to see a
> really poor person. You want to see poor then get
> out of this country and visit Africa or India.


Exactly. If you have a roof over your head, heat, electricity, cell phone, and at least one meal a day then you are NOT poor.

Its not rocket science. Sales taxes are not based on income but consumption. When it comes to consumption the sheer numbers of purchases by the poor and middle class account for the great majority of the resulting revenue. It is also a greater percentage of the income of middle class or poor citizens.

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Sales tax hits everyone unless you have food stamps, we are only talking about .3% increase in the state except Fairfax County will be 1% bringing it to 6%. This biggest chunk will come from the Prius Owners having to pay more to Register their cars. If you file a 1040 you can decide Tax time if you want to include all the sales Tax you paid for the year or take the other deductions. Either way we have no real way to combat it unless we revolt, but that would require some effort.

My Plan is to Grow my own Vegetables and Can or Freeze
Buy Meat in Bulk outside of the region to freeze
Maybe take up Hunting and save up Venison
Find Alternative Heating and Power for the house
Use my Motorcycle more for commuting

Other than that most of the bitching is not going to get anyone anywhere, you must take Proactive Action.

Knower of Things Wrote:
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> Fair Share Wrote:
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> -----
> > "Poor folks" pay the same percentage in sales
> tax
> > as anyone else. It's no more inherently unfair
> > than is the fact that spending for basic needs
> > represents a higher percentage of their income
> > generally. i.e., food and rent are higher
> > percentages as well. Is that inherently
> unfair?
>
> Once basic needs are met, higher-income folks have
> the discretion to not spending. Lower-income
> folks do not have that luxury. Here's a highly
> simplified example:
>
> Someone who earns $30k/year might spend $25K on
> basic needs. If the sales tax were 10%, the $30k
> earner would pay $2,500 in taxes, or 8.3% of their
> income in taxes. Someone who earns $100K/year
> and spends $25K on basic needs would pay just 2.5%
> of their income in taxes. Sure, the $100k earner
> could spend more of their income and pay more
> taxes, but they wouldn't HAVE to, which is not the
> case for the $30K earner.
>
> This is why sales taxes are more harmful to
> lower-income perople than they are to
> higher-income people.
>
> > If you don't like that they are taxed, then
> maybe
> > you should look at what's driving the
> requirements
> > to tax and at what levels to begin with given
> that
> > ANY tax is unfair on the same basis.
>
> In the current system, the poor, by and large, do
> not pay taxes. That is a good thing.


People (like me) that earn more have more expensive tastes. We buy more expensive "basic needs" and thus pay more sales taxes. Our property is worth more and we also pay more property taxes that your fund your school. You should say "Thank you!" and STFU.

You're class warrioring letsroll. The point is your little bitches in Richmond say they're against taxes but are willing to stick it to the working man if they get the chance. You don't want to fuck with the 98 %. We got the numbers.

If you can't afford to live in Virgina and pay for the government services you are demanding, you should move to a cheaper state. This is why most taxes should be generated at the STATE level instead of the FEDERAL LEVEL. The STATE keeps 100% of the revenue it generates. Your money is not wasted bailing out a Detroit.

truthfulenlightment Wrote:
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> You're class warrioring letsroll. The point is
> your little bitches in Richmond say they're
> against taxes but are willing to stick it to the
> working man if they get the chance. You don't
> want to fuck with the 98 %. We got the numbers.


We got the means to LEAVE and go elsewhere.

Knower of Things Wrote:
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>
> Once basic needs are met, higher-income folks have
> the discretion to not spending. Lower-income
> folks do not have that luxury. Here's a highly
> simplified example:
>
> Someone who earns $30k/year might spend $25K on
> basic needs. If the sales tax were 10%, the $30k
> earner would pay $2,500 in taxes, or 8.3% of their
> income in taxes. Someone who earns $100K/year
> and spends $25K on basic needs would pay just 2.5%
> of their income in taxes. Sure, the $100k earner
> could spend more of their income and pay more
> taxes, but they wouldn't HAVE to, which is not the
> case for the $30K earner.
>
> This is why sales taxes are more harmful to
> lower-income perople than they are to
> higher-income people.
>


I can do math, but thanks anyway.

You miss the point. That being, EVERYTHING is a larger percentage of their income. Is the N% that they pay for food also more harmful and unfair? Do you want to charge them less for a pound of meat that they buy?

You want to do it on a percentage basis because that's the only way that justifies your ideology. But we don't fund government with percentages, we fund it in dollars. The rich pay far more in taxes even though it may be a smaller percentage of their wealth.


>
> In the current system, the poor, by and large, do
> not pay taxes. That is a good thing.

Not really. There's no particular reason why someone who is relatively less wealthy should not contribute to funding the society in which they live at the same relative levels as anyone else.

LetsRock Wrote:
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> If you can't afford to live in Virgina and pay for
> the government services you are demanding, you
> should move to a cheaper state. This is why most
> taxes should be generated at the STATE level
> instead of the FEDERAL LEVEL. The STATE keeps
> 100% of the revenue it generates. Your money is
> not wasted bailing out a Detroit.


You don't know me and I don't know you. So lets keep your high horse to a minimum. This is about fairness of various taxation policies in relation to the percentage of income made across the population. Higher and lower income.

No one is saying 6 percent sales tax is going to break the back of Fairfaxians. The question is, why do slimy Republican bastards choose to raise taxes that are more of a burden on the working class. If you don't understand that then you know, keep your fuckin mouth shut.

Change your name "truthfulenlightenment". You are anything but. Your stupidity and lack of truthful information is clearly evident. If you were "truthful enlightenment", you would have said "BiPartisan effort raises va sales tax on poor and lowers gas taxes." But no, your post is specific to republicans.

You have to be like every other political asshole and blame a specific party. The fact of the matter is if the democratic presidency and senate and republican house of representatives would use the VA general assembly as a model, maybe something would get done on Capitol Hill.

Instead,we get what we deserve nationally, all because of people like you. At lease VA politicians can work to get something done.

dw Wrote:
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> Change your name "truthfulenlightenment". You are
> anything but. Your stupidity and lack of truthful
> information is clearly evident. If you were
> "truthful enlightenment", you would have said
> "BiPartisan effort raises va sales tax on poor and
> lowers gas taxes." But no, your post is specific
> to republicans.
>
> You have to be like every other political asshole
> and blame a specific party. The fact of the
> matter is if the democratic presidency and senate
> and republican house of representatives would use
> the VA general assembly as a model, maybe
> something would get done on Capitol Hill.
>
> Instead,we get what we deserve nationally, all
> because of people like you. At lease VA
> politicians can work to get something done.


A lie, this is the result of Bob Mcdonnell's so called only legislative achievement as a horrific governor. This signature transportation bill. One that the Democrats agreed to after be held hostage with redistricting.

So, lets keep our facts straight.

you are really clueless. No helping you. Go vote for a yellow dog democrat

dw Wrote:
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> you are really clueless. No helping you. Go vote
> for a yellow dog democrat


Nice try though, I guess your not going to pursue that hole you just dug for yourself. That one gets even uglier.

truthfulenlightment Wrote:
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> LetsRock Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If you can't afford to live in Virgina and pay
> for
> > the government services you are demanding, you
> > should move to a cheaper state. This is why
> most
> > taxes should be generated at the STATE level
> > instead of the FEDERAL LEVEL. The STATE keeps
> > 100% of the revenue it generates. Your money is
> > not wasted bailing out a Detroit.
>
>
> You don't know me and I don't know you. So lets
> keep your high horse to a minimum. This is about
> fairness of various taxation policies in relation
> to the percentage of income made across the
> population. Higher and lower income.
>
> No one is saying 6 percent sales tax is going to
> break the back of Fairfaxians. The question is,
> why do slimy Republican bastards choose to raise
> taxes that are more of a burden on the working
> class. If you don't understand that then you
> know, keep your fuckin mouth shut.


Anyone who earns a W-2 from an employer is "working class". Taxes should be raised in a way that EVERYONE pays to fund the government they want and expect. There is nothing sacred about being "working class".

truthfulenlightment Wrote:
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> > A lie, this is the result of Bob Mcdonnell's so
> called only legislative achievement as a horrific
> governor. This signature transportation bill.
> One that the Democrats agreed to after be held
> hostage with redistricting.
>
> So, lets keep our facts straight.

I do remember Democrats saying they would tank the transportation bill if the redistricting was approved. So it sounds like Mcdonnel was the one being held hostage.

And I thought that Mcdonnell got the Democrats to go along with the bill by agreeing to have VA expand Obamacare? Can anyone confirm?

Either way, its not like its difficult to get Democrats to agree to tax increases. That's their bread and butter.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> You can start with the internet. I believe this
> story is fairly recent:
>
> http://fairfaxcity.patch.com/articles/fairfax-coun
> ty-registers-chronically-homeless-741238df
>
> Or if you volunteer for one of the programs such
> as FACETS that deliver free meals in the county
> I'm sure you will learn where some of them are.


Okay, so you have no idea where they are, but Google will substitute for any knowledge you are missing. I didn't think you could tell us. Typical lib.

Without regard to income? I guess we should all just pay a 20 percent sales tax across the board with no state income tax.

60-40 vote

As an example, Richmond-area lawmakers were split on the bill. Those who voted in favor include Dels. M. Kirkland Cox, R-Colonial Heights, Rosalyn R. Dance, D-Petersburg, Riley E. Ingram, R-Hopewell, G. Manoli Loupassi, R-Richmond, Jennifer L. McClellan, D-Richmond, John M. O’Bannon III, R-Henrico.

Those who voted against included Dels. Betsy B. Carr, D-Richmond, John A. Cox, R-Hanover, Peter F. Farrell, R-Henrico, Jimmie Massie, R-Henrico, Joseph D. Morrissey, D-Henrico, Christopher K. Peace, R-Hanover, Roxann L. Robinson, R-Chesterfield and R. Lee Ware Jr, R-Powhatan.


Del. Onzlee Ware, D-Roanoke, one of the lawmakers who hashed out the compromise bill, noted that the bill included elements that were unattractive to most members of the chamber.

Democratic gubernatorial candidate Terry McAuliffe released a statement of his own praising McDonnell and the General Assembly for the bill's passage.

"The passage of this historic mainstream compromise with bipartisan support is a critical step forward for Virginia. It will make significant progress toward solving our transportation problems and making Virginia the best place for business. Despite last minute attempts by some right-wing ideologues to stop any progress on transportation, Virginia's leaders came together in the middle to find compromise."
The three Democrats representing Prince William County in the state Senate voted with the majority for the transportation conference committee report Saturday, clearing the final hurdle before Gov. Bob McDonnell (R) can sign the bill into law.
McDonnell's GOP allies who represent Prince William balked at the legislation, however, as state Sens. Dick Black (R-13th) and Richard Stuart (R-28th) voted against it, as did 10 other Republicans. Eight Republicans voted for the bill.
State Sens. Chuck Colgan (D-29th), Toddy Puller (D-36th) and George Barker (D-39th) joined 14 other Democrats in supporting the bill. Only three Democrats in the evenly-divided chamber voted against it.

OK, I really won't waste anymore time, which will make you very happy, but it's you who dug your own hole. All I can say is there are a lot of respresentatives with a (D) after their name that supported it. Why don't you tell us how many were "held hostage" by redistricting and explain how.

Virginia Senate passes transportation bill with increased sales taxes
By The Associated Press February 23, 2013 - 03:08 pm

The state Senate has passed the first long-term reform to Virginia's floundering 27-year-old system for funding repairs and upkeep of its 58,000-mile network of highways.

The 25-15 vote sends to Gov. Bob McDonnell what would be the defining policy legacy in the fourth and final year of the single, non-renewable term Virginia allows its governors.

Democrats voted 17-3 to pass the bill. Eight Republicans voted in favor, 12 voted against.

It would replace Virginia's 17 1/2 cents-per-gallon retail gasoline tax with a 3.5 percent wholesale tax on gasoline and a 6 percent levy on diesel fuel.

It boosts statewide sales taxes from 5 percent to 5.3 percent. It increases the titling tax on car sales and adds a $100 registration fee for fuel-sipping hybrid vehicles. It also rules out proposed tolls on Interstate 95 south of Petersburg.

Voting yes were 17 Democrats and eight Republicans. Voting no were three Democrats and 12 Republicans. A yes vote is in favor of final legislative passage, sending the measure to Gov. Bob McDonnell.

Senators are grouped according to their votes by party and listed alphabetically by their home locality.

VOTING YES (25)

Democrats (17)

Kenneth C. Alexander, Norfolk; George L. Barker, Fairfax County; Charles J. Colgan, Prince William; R. Creigh Deeds, Bath County; John S. Edwards, Roanoke; Barbara A. Favola, Arlington; Mark R. Herring, Loudoun; Janet D. Howell, Fairfax County; Mamie E. Locke, Hampton; L. Louise Lucas, Portsmouth; David W. Marsden, Fairfax County; A. Donald McEachin, Henrico; John C. Miller, Newport News; Ralph S. Northam, Norfolk; Phillip P. Puckett, Russell; Linda T. Puller, Fairfax County and Richard L. Saslaw, Fairfax County.

Republicans (8)

Harry B. Blevins, Chesapeake; Charles W. Carrico, Sr., Grayson; Jeffrey L. McWaters, Virginia Beach; Thomas K. Norment, Jr., James City County; Frank M. Ruff, Jr., Mecklenburg; Walter A. Stosch, Henrico; Frank W. Wagner, Virginia Beach; John Watkins, Powhatan.

VOTING NO (15)

Democrats (3)

Adam P. Ebbin, Alexandria; Henry L. Marsh, III, Richmond and J. Chapman Petersen, Fairfax city.

Republicans (12)

Richard H. Black, Loudoun; Thomas A. Garrett, Jr., Louisa; Emmett W. Hanger, Jr., Augusta; Stephen H. Martin, Chesterfield; Ryan T. McDougle, Hanover; Stephen D. Newman, Lynchburg; Mark D. Obenshain, Harrisonburg; Bryce E. Reeves, Spotsylvania; Ralph K. Smith, Roanoke County; William M. Stanley, Jr., Franklin County; Richard H. Stuart, Stafford and Jill Holtzman Vogel, Winchester.

Yeah, fuck Terry Mcauliffe's retarded ass and what he said to further his own political ambitions. This was Bob Mcdonnells transportation bill. There's nothing that disputes that. You actually started this point of discussion by suggesting it was an accomplishment of our legislative body attempting to give it merit. I suspect that reason being for the betterment of Bob Mcdonnell's record as governor. Which has been abysmal.

Now if you're refuting that this is Bob Mcdonnell's signature Transportation Bill. Here's your recent Washington Post article titled:

McDonnell victory: Virginia transportation bill passes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/02/24/mcdonnell-victory-virginia-transportation-bill-passes/

The VA GOP is lowering gasoline tax and raising sales tax.

Rich people have 3.4 cars per household and poor people have 0.8. So guess whom the lower tax will benefit?

Rich people spend less than 10% of their gross income on nondurable retail goods. Poor to low-income people spend between 20-25% of their gross income on such goods. Guess whom will be more adversely affected by the higher sales tax.

Your GOP at work -- as usual -- for just a few top 5-percenters.

truthfulenlightment Wrote:
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> Yeah, fuck Terry Mcauliffe's retarded ass and what
> he said to further his own political ambitions.
> This was Bob Mcdonnells transportation bill.
> There's nothing that disputes that.


Except the voting records above. lmao

Liberal Heal Thyself Wrote:
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> truthfulenlightment Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yeah, fuck Terry Mcauliffe's retarded ass and
> what
> > he said to further his own political ambitions.
>
> > This was Bob Mcdonnells transportation bill.
> > There's nothing that disputes that.
>
>
> Except the voting records above. lmao

As I stated above. One of the reason Bob McDonnell got support for HIS transportation bill was because he backed down on an insidious attempt by Republicans to unconstitutionally redistrict Virginia and allocate it's presidential election electoral votes according to district.

By doing so they would of course disenfranchise our beloved county. In opposing that great injustice attempted by Republicans in Richmond. He gained more supported from the Democratic Caucus for HIS transportation initiative.

Although it doesn't even matter because it's HIS bill to begin with. When will you Republicans learn to take responsibility for your actions?

Milton Freidman Wrote:
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> The VA GOP is lowering gasoline tax and raising
> sales tax.
>
> Rich people have 3.4 cars per household and poor
> people have 0.8. So guess whom the lower tax will
> benefit?
>
> Rich people spend less than 10% of their gross
> income on nondurable retail goods. Poor to
> low-income people spend between 20-25% of their
> gross income on such goods. Guess whom will be
> more adversely affected by the higher sales tax.
>
> Your GOP at work -- as usual -- for just a few top
> 5-percenters.

You can spin numbers anyway you want them, what is the bottom number spent? if I make 60k and you make 100k you have 40k more to spend or save, that changes the percentage of gross income, either way for basic not luxury its probably the same. The argument comes in as to Luxury vs necessity, I will pay my Mortgage even if I have to get rid of Cell phones etc. The gas tax is a different ball game, My profession requires a large vehicle, I pay more for the gas tax, you have the hybrid you use less gas, but create the same if not more work on the roads, I don't need it plowed and sanded, that cost comes from somewhere, if I use off road equipment I can get the 17 cents refunded from the state. Richmond is looking at spreading it out to EVERYONE since in some way shape or form EVERYONE uses the roads.

No wonder the country is in debt up to its gills. Dingbats like cannot comprehend basic economics

truthfulenlightment Wrote:
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> Although it doesn't even matter because it's HIS
> bill to begin with. When will you Democrats
> learn to take responsibility for your actions?

Fixed it for you. Tell it to Howell, Puller, and Saslaw.

BTW, the bulk of the tax increase is the additional 0.7% sales tax for NoVA and Tidewater areas which does not apply to groceries. Rent and other services already are not subject to sales taxes. So you're whining about a 0.3% increase which is effectively imposed on a "progressive" basis beyond the basic necessities of food and housing.

Liberal Heal Thyself Wrote:
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> truthfulenlightment Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Although it doesn't even matter because it's
> HIS
> > bill to begin with. When will you
> Democrats
> > learn to take responsibility for your actions?
>
> Fixed it for you. Tell it to Howell, Puller, and
> Saslaw.
>
> BTW, the bulk of the tax increase is the
> additional 0.7% sales tax for NoVA and Tidewater
> areas which does not apply to groceries. Rent and
> other services already are not subject to sales
> taxes. So you're whining about a 0.3% increase
> which is effectively imposed on a "progressive"
> basis beyond the basic necessities of food and
> housing.

Ahh, you've actually said something of substance. I've been on this thread all fuckin day and have waited patiently for a Republican to do so and you did it.

Although the way you started I wasn't expecting much from you.

So food and housing is excluded. So that may have been that "compromising" principle that brought on Democratic support. Wonder if that provision was included or amended by it's eventual Democratic proponents.

I'm proud of you, I give credit where credit is due.

truthfulenlightment Wrote:
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>
> Ahh, you've actually said something of substance.
> I've been on this thread all fuckin day and have
> waited patiently for a Republican to do so and you
> did it.
>
> Although the way you started I wasn't expecting
> much from you.
>
> So food and housing is excluded. So that may have
> been that "compromising" principle that brought on
> Democratic support. Wonder if that provision was
> included or amended by it's eventual Democratic
> proponents.
>
> I'm proud of you, I give credit where credit is
> due.


In other words, you can't dispute that Democrats overwhelmingly supported this "unfair" tax which in the end doesn't even really affect basic needs in a significant way. lol

In contrast and by roughly the same proportion it was not supported by Republicans.

So what and who exactly is it that you're whining about now?

I'm trying to find where it excludes food and housing and haven't found it yet. It does say that it "Privatizes Virginia’s Alcoholic Beverage Control (ABC) and dedicates proceeds to transportation."

How you make money on a money maker by privatizing it for good never sense to me.
Wonder who's buying ABC?

Liberal Heal Thyself Wrote:
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> truthfulenlightment Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Ahh, you've actually said something of
> substance.
> > I've been on this thread all fuckin day and
> have
> > waited patiently for a Republican to do so and
> you
> > did it.
> >
> > Although the way you started I wasn't expecting
> > much from you.
> >
> > So food and housing is excluded. So that may
> have
> > been that "compromising" principle that brought
> on
> > Democratic support. Wonder if that provision
> was
> > included or amended by it's eventual Democratic
> > proponents.
> >
> > I'm proud of you, I give credit where credit is
> > due.
>
>
> In other words, you can't dispute that Democrats
> overwhelmingly supported this "unfair" tax which
> in the end doesn't even really affect basic needs
> in a significant way. lol
>
> In contrast and by roughly the same proportion it
> was not supported by Republicans.
>
> So what and who exactly is it that you're whining
> about now?

First of all, I haven't been able to confirm your information. Second, that still doesn't change the fact that it's McDonnell's bill. Third, I would have to make an analysis of the reduced proportion of tax burden that occurs when food and housing is excluded to make a judgement.

Look at what I found, the law is unconstitutional and is subject to legal action by citizens in Fairfax County because it taxes different localities at different rates.

The plot thickens.


The bill if signed into law will be unconstitutional.

Those praising the Virginia General Assembly’s transportation compromise may not realize that the bill runs afoul of the plain language in the state’s constitution.

Virginia’s constitution is clear that the General Assembly can impose only uniform taxes across the state for similar activities. But the bill that emerged from the House-Senate conference committee last weekend upsets the historic balance between localities and state government; it contains new provisions about taxation, some of which would effectively set up a two-tier system for residents in certain parts of the state. It’s difficult to see how some of these provisions could survive legal challenge

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/vas-transportation-bill-is-unconstitutional/2013/02/25/3d73abee-7f88-11e2-a350-49866afab584_story.html

Article X, Section 1 of Virginia’s constitution requires that all taxes “levied and collected under general laws” be “uniform upon the same class of subjects within the territorial limits of the authority levying the tax.” Article X, Section 4 includes the additional requirement that real estate is subject to “local taxation only” — not a levy imposed by the General Assembly in Richmond.

Who's gonna sue the state government first for violating the state constitution? Come on Republicans, you get to be the tax saviors you've always dreamed of being.

truthfulenlightment Wrote:
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So now as it turns out, in addition to not knowing who voted for it, you didn't even read up to find out exactly what the bill does before going off on your ideological rant. lol

>
> First of all, I haven't been able to confirm your
> information. Second, that still doesn't change
> the fact that it's McDonnell's bill. Third, I
> would have to make an analysis of the reduced
> proportion of tax burden that occurs when food and
> housing is excluded to make a judgement.


You must not be looking very hard then...

"Virginia Legislators Approve Increases in Sales Tax, Car Tax, Regional Taxes

February 25, 2013
By Joseph Henchman

In the closing days of the session, Virginia legislators passed a transportation funding bill. The full bill text is provided by Americans for Tax Reform here (PDF). The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) also has a brief summary here. The Washington Post reports that the bill is supposed to raise an additional $880 million per year.

The main takeaway is that, if approved by the Governor, Virginia will raise its sales tax from 5.0 percent to 5.3 percent statewide, and further to 6.0 percent in Northern Virginia and the Hampton Roads area. The state’s retail gasoline tax will be repealed, but replaced by an equivalent tax on wholesale gasoline. (This tax will be somewhat lower if the federal government authorizes the state to impose its sales tax on Internet purchases from out-of-state retailers.) Car taxes go up statewide, as does a license tax on electric vehicles. Northern Virginia will see higher real estate transfer and hotel taxes. The bill also prohibits new tolling on I-95 south of Fredericksburg.

Full details:

Sales & Use Tax

Raises the state sales and use tax from 5.0 percent to 5.3 percent, effective July 1, 2013. Of this increase, 0.175 percent goes to highway maintenance and operations, 0.050 percent goes to intercity rail, and 0.075 percent goes to mass transit.

An existing sales tax exemption for out-of-state mail order catalog items under $100 is removed.

Imposes an additional 0.7 percent sales tax in the counties and cities of the Northern Virginia Transportation Authority and the Hampton Roads Region (the tax will thus total 6 percent in those areas). The additional sales tax will not apply to purchases of groceries but will otherwise have the same tax base as the state tax, and will be collected by the state on one consolidated return.

Requires the tax commissioner to give sellers at least 30 days’ notice of local sales tax changes, and that changes can only become effective on the first day of a calendar quarter. Holds sellers harmless for sales tax collection errors caused by erroneous state information.

Caps state use tax on equipment brought into the state for performing contracts at 5 percent. Sales of aircraft are also taxed at 2 percent and watercraft at 2 percent with a maximum tax of $1,000.

Gasoline Taxes

Repeals the 17.5 cent gasoline tax effective July 1, 2013, replacing it with a 3.5 percent wholesale gasoline tax. The tax will be computed and modified twice each year based on the average wholesale price, on January 1 and July 1. The average wholesale price calculation cannot be less than the actual wholesale price of self-serve gasoline on February 20, 2013 (which news reports say equals $3.50 per gallon). At that $3.50 per gallon rate, what was a 17.5 cent tax will now be at minimum a 12.25 cent tax ($3.50 X 3.5 percent).

A similar formula is used for taxing diesel, which presently pays a 17.5 cent tax and after July 1, 2013, will pay a 6 percent wholesale tax.

If Congress does not enact legislation by January 1, 2015 giving Virginia the authority to collect sales tax from remote sellers with no physical presence in the state, the 3.5 percent tax will instead become a 5.1 percent tax, effective January 1, 2015. Again, the average wholesale price calculation cannot be less than the actual wholesale price of self-serve gasoline on February 20, 2013; at that $3.50 per gallon rate, what was a 17.5 cent tax will now be at minimum a 17.85 cent tax ($3.50 X 5.1 percent). The tax can now go up with any rise in gasoline prices, although in a manner now less transparent to consumers.

Expands the existing 2.1 percent gasoline wholesaler tax in the Northern Virginia Transportation Authority region to the Hampton Roads region.

Car Taxes

Tax on the sale of a car, presently 3 percent, will rise to 4 percent (July 1, 2013), then to 4.1 percent (July 1, 2014), then to 4.2 percent (July 1, 2015), then to 4.3 percent (July 1, 2016). The minimum tax is raised from $35 to $75.
Raises the statewide $50 license tax for electric vehicles to $100.

Changes license tax due date for all vehicles from the last day of December to the date of registration and each subsequent renewal.

Other Taxes

Imposes a real estate transfer tax of 0.25 percent, termed a “regional congestion relief fee,” for land or property transfers in the Northern Virginia Transportation Authority area
.
Imposes a 3 percent hotel tax, on top of existing hotel taxes, in the Northern Virginia Transportation Authority area.

Miscellaneous

Dedicates $300 million of the new revenue to the Metrorail silver line extension to Dulles International Airport.

Prohibits tolls on Interstate 95 south of Fredericksburg without further approval by the Legislature. Virginia had applied for a waiver from the federal government to do so in a limited fashion, so this kills that.

Northern Virginia Transportation Authority consists of the Counties of Arlington, Fairfax, Loudoun, and Prince William, and the Cities of Alexandria, Fairfax, Falls Church, Manassas, and Manassas Park.

Hampton Roads region consists of Counties of Gloucester, Isle of Wight, James City, and York, and the cities of Chesapeake, Hampton, Newport News, Norfolk, Poquoson, Portsmouth, Suffolk, Virginia Beach, and Williamsburg."


Bottom line, unless the poor are buying lots of stuff online, buying cars, transferring real estate, or spending a lot of time in hotels, then the overall tax effects on them are far less on a proportional basis.

The Governor does not introduce bills in the State legislature. And regardless whether he supported it, Democrats were the ones who approved it overwhelmingly. In particular, NoVA Democrats. Republicans generally opposed raising the taxes on anyone, including the poor. Sorry, those are the facts as they stand.

Are you reading what I'm posting? The 3 percent hotel tax, the .25 percent real estate transfer tax, and the extra percentage of state sales tax only imposed on Northern Virginia is in direct conflict with the plain language within the Virginia state constitution.

McDonnell's transportation bill, whoever's damn bill you want it to be, is unconstitutional and is on extremely shaky legal ground.

Article X, Section 1 of Virginia’s constitution requires that all taxes “levied and collected under general laws” be “uniform upon the same class of subjects within the territorial limits of the authority levying the tax.” Article X, Section 4 includes the additional requirement that real estate is subject to “local taxation only” — not a levy imposed by the General Assembly in Richmond.

McDonnell himself and everyone else in Virginia politics says it's his law. You're the only person in Fairfax that says it isn't. Anyways, that's besides the point. The law is completely unconstitutional. It discriminates methods of taxation for identical applications between localities. Which the state does not have the constitutional right to do.

The reason NOVA and Tidewater are higher is because that Money will stay in that region. Too many gripes over NOVA money going to Tidewater vise versa. I still don't see how they are going to make it come close, that is allot of money in terms of gallons of gas. I see the Personal Property tax being reinstated here in the near future to make up for the losses.

truthfulenlightment Wrote:
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> Are you reading what I'm posting? The 3 percent
> hotel tax, the .25 percent real estate transfer
> tax, and the extra percentage of state sales tax
> only imposed on Northern Virginia is in direct
> conflict with the plain language within the
> Virginia state constitution.
>
> McDonnell's transportation bill, whoever's damn
> bill you want it to be, is unconstitutional and is
> on extremely shaky legal ground.
>
> Article X, Section 1 of Virginia’s constitution
> requires that all taxes “levied and collected
> under general laws” be “uniform upon the same
> class of subjects within the territorial limits of
> the authority levying the tax.” Article X,
> Section 4 includes the additional requirement that
> real estate is subject to “local taxation
> only” — not a levy imposed by the General
> Assembly in Richmond.


So now you're giving up on the ideological argument and going for the constitutional one huh? lmao Again, tell it to your local Dem Reps and Senators.

And that doesn't really change anything. Including that you didn't even look to see what you were ranting about.

truthfulenlightment Wrote:
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> McDonnell himself and everyone else in Virginia
> politics says it's his law. You're the only
> person in Fairfax that says it isn't. Anyways,
> that's besides the point. The law is completely
> unconstitutional. It discriminates methods of
> taxation for identical applications between
> localities. Which the state does not have the
> constitutional right to do.


So IOW you're upset that McDonnell sided with the Democrats (or vice versa, whichever way you'd like to view it) in passing this unfair, unconstitutional tax law?

Welcome to the Republican Party! lol!

No, I haven't changed my ideological argument. Turns out this bill is an absolute travesty. Raises a multitude of taxes on Northern Virginia and is also blatantly unconstitutional.

Republicans are willing to sabotage the economic recovery to protect corporate welfare

sgsfsgd Wrote:
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> Republicans are willing to sabotage the economic
> recovery to protect corporate welfare


It does that too, it privatizes Virginia ABC liquor stores.

truthfulenlightment Wrote:
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> No, I haven't changed my ideological argument.
> Turns out this bill is an absolute travesty.
> Raises a multitude of taxes on Northern Virginia
> and is also blatantly unconstitutional.


I don't particularly like it either. Probably less than you. But if you want to improve roads and other infrastructure and fund ever-increasing government employment and services, and other "stuff," then it needs to be paid for in some way. The state cannot create imaginary money as the Federal government does (beyond floating bonds which also need to be repaid from taxes). You either raise taxes or cut something.

So what the country needs is a rewind button but how do you do that? Do we drop into Communism where everyone surrenders? I can see Agenda 21 making headway is this all part of that plan? I do not agree with CEO's and Sports Figures making multi Millions but then again isn't that free enterprise and freedom?

truthfulenlightment Wrote:
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> It does that too, it privatizes Virginia ABC
> liquor stores.

Please show us what bill was passed that privatizes ABC stores.

I don't think it was passed, at least not that I am aware. As I recall McDonnell wanted to tie privization of the ABC stores to a transportation bill some time ago. Allegedly it would generate in some $500M in revenue.

About the only thing anyone here can agree on is that it wasn't the best idea our governors have ever had, although I'm sure it still some advocates. I think that the VA ABC stores are about as well run a state agency that exists. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I don't think there was even a bill to privatize ABC stores this season.

the truth seems to evade our less capable OP.

Read it off McDonnell's own website.

http://www.bobmcdonnell.com/index.php/press_releases/details/mcdonnell_unveils_comprehensive_statewide_transportation_plan/

Guess it may have been rejected. He was out to privatize it though. All these unconstitutional tax hikes targeting northern va and all you can do is ankle bite?

Knower of Things Wrote:
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>
> Ergo, sales taxes are more impactfull to poor
> folks.

Not true. I just bought a brand new BMW and probably paid
more in sales tax than any five poor people will pay in
total all year... I'm impacted by any increase in sales tax.
This thing doesn't fill itself at the pump. And detailing
costs keep going up!

truthfulenlightment Wrote:
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> Read it off McDonnell's own website.
>
> http://www.bobmcdonnell.com/index.php/press_releas
> es/details/mcdonnell_unveils_comprehensive_statewi
> de_transportation_plan/
>
> Guess it may have been rejected. He was out to
> privatize it though. All these unconstitutional
> tax hikes targeting northern va and all you can do
> is ankle bite?

That's all that's left to do... everyone beat me to discrediting everything else you've said, so I have to focus on your more trivial bullshit.

Great job on understanding what's in the bill and who voted for it!

So... given that the sales tax increase doesn't apply to food, are you still claiming that this is a regressive tax -- more so than the higher gas tax which it replaces?

Of course not... you libs want to raise the gas tax, so the poor with their shitty gas guzzling clunkers can keep subsidizing the roads for your Obama-sticker covered Prius.

People like you make me think Republicanism is a mental disorder.

truthfulenlightment Wrote:
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> Republicans have increased sales taxes on
> consumers and primarily the middle and poor
> classes. Looks as though Republicans do raise
> taxes. Primarily on the poor.


The VA State Senate vote on this bill was 25-15: Democrat vote was 17-3 in FAVOR of the tax hike, Republican vote was 12-8 AGAINST the tax hike.

The VA State House of Delegates vote on this bill was 60-40: Democrat vote was 25-7 in FAVOR of the tax hike, Republican vote was 34-33 in FAVOR of the tax hike.

Holy shit, you Republicans have no fuckin shame. You have Terry McAuliffe attack Cucinelli for opposing McDonnell's Transportation Plan. That's literally what it's called. This being McDonnell's so called signature achievement isn't even in fucking question.

You're fucking Republican piece of shit Governor had it written, had it lobbied, and had it proposed and passed with gubernatorial pressure.

Don't fuckin convince me, ask our Republican Governor, he's taking credit for it.

WTF is wrong with Republicans, they've thrown all sense and shame out the window. They are some shameless bastards these days.

You have Terry McAuliffe attack Cucinelli for opposing McDonnell's Transportation Plan...

And it's rather obvious you don't know which party is who's affiliation...

BTW, don't the "poor" buy gasoline or products shipped by vehicle? Note too the additional fees on real estate transactions - lots 'o poor folks buying houses in NoVa...

I say "raise taxes till it hurts. Bad" - then people will understand that Government, of any type, is a necessary evil and agree to cut it to a minimum.

truthfulenlightment Wrote:
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> Holy shit, you Republicans have no fuckin shame.
> You have Terry McAuliffe attack Cucinelli for
> opposing McDonnell's Transportation Plan. That's
> literally what it's called. This being
> McDonnell's so called signature achievement isn't
> even in fucking question.
>
> You're fucking Republican piece of shit Governor
> had it written, had it lobbied, and had it
> proposed and passed with gubernatorial pressure.
>
>
> Don't fuckin convince me, ask our Republican
> Governor, he's taking credit for it.
>
> WTF is wrong with Republicans, they've thrown all
> sense and shame out the window. They are some
> shameless bastards these days.


^ Poor dude just can't let it go.

His world has been turned upside down by the Democrats being responsible for passing a regressive tax that hurts them po' folks.

Now he wants to find somebody else to blame.

You've learned from the master well Grasshopper.

lulz

Obama care is the biggest tax increase on the middle class in the history of this country.

The two biggest taxes on the poor are cigarrette taxes.[100% democrat taxes.]

At this point, the republicans might as well stick it to the poor and middle class since that's what dems. have always done and they're doing pretty well.

Democrats have never helped the poor or blacks do anything other than remain worthless and poor on wellfare. Y'all just screwin youselves.

truthfulenlightment Wrote:
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> Holy shit, you Republicans have no fuckin shame.
> You have Terry McAuliffe attack Cucinelli for
> opposing McDonnell's Transportation Plan. That's
> literally what it's called. This being
> McDonnell's so called signature achievement isn't
> even in fucking question.
>
> You're fucking Republican piece of shit Governor
> had it written, had it lobbied, and had it
> proposed and passed with gubernatorial pressure.
>
>
> Don't fuckin convince me, ask our Republican
> Governor, he's taking credit for it.
>
> WTF is wrong with Republicans, they've thrown all
> sense and shame out the window. They are some
> shameless bastards these days.


It is always funny to see a lib try to make their point. They know their arguments don't make any sense and so to compensate by making parsonal attacks. Also, they think the more times they can drop the f-bomb, the more convincing their argument will be. They are pathetic a pathetic bunch.

But... Wrote:
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> Knower of Things Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Ergo, sales taxes are more impactfull to poor
> > folks.
>
> Not true. I just bought a brand new BMW and
> probably paid
> more in sales tax than any five poor people will
> pay in
> total all year... I'm impacted by any increase in
> sales tax.
> This thing doesn't fill itself at the pump. And
> detailing
> costs keep going up!

Douche.

Butthole Surfer Wrote:
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> But... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Knower of Things Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > > Ergo, sales taxes are more impactfull to poor
> > > folks.
> >
> > Not true. I just bought a brand new BMW and
> > probably paid
> > more in sales tax than any five poor people
> will
> > pay in
> > total all year... I'm impacted by any increase
> in
> > sales tax.
> > This thing doesn't fill itself at the pump. And
> > detailing
> > costs keep going up!
>
> Douche.


An excellent point and a typical lib response to someone who is paying taxes and not living off the government handouts.

Here we go Wrote:
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> An excellent point and a typical lib response to
> someone who is paying taxes and not living off the
> government handouts.

Douche.

Here we go Wrote:
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> truthfulenlightment Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Holy shit, you Republicans have no fuckin shame.
>
> > You have Terry McAuliffe attack Cucinelli for
> > opposing McDonnell's Transportation Plan.
> That's
> > literally what it's called. This being
> > McDonnell's so called signature achievement
> isn't
> > even in fucking question.
> >
> > You're fucking Republican piece of shit
> Governor
> > had it written, had it lobbied, and had it
> > proposed and passed with gubernatorial pressure.
>
> >
> >
> > Don't fuckin convince me, ask our Republican
> > Governor, he's taking credit for it.
> >
> > WTF is wrong with Republicans, they've thrown
> all
> > sense and shame out the window. They are some
> > shameless bastards these days.
>
>
> It is always funny to see a lib try to make their
> point. They know their arguments don't make any
> sense and so to compensate by making parsonal
> attacks. Also, they think the more times they can
> drop the f-bomb, the more convincing their
> argument will be. They are pathetic a pathetic
> bunch.


THE GOVERNOR, MR. MCFUCKINDONNELL SAYS THIS IS HIS SIGNATURE LEGISLATIVE ACCOMPLISHMENT!!!

THAT MOTHERFUCKIN REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR OF YOURS IS TAKING CREDIT AS WE SPEAK SAYING HE WROTE THE FUCKING TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

YOU STUPID FUCK.

This isn't in anyway by anybody refuted. You stupid fuckin Republicans on Fairfax Underground are on your own planet.

You're such liars that you won't even let your Republican Governor take credit for his own legislation, as he's taking credit for his own legislation.

And then you wonder why people think you're worthless and not worth the effort.

Republicans are so accustomed to lying for political purposes, even the Republican constituency. That they lie for no reason. The lie about things that Republican politicians think are beneficial for them politically?

Lie, lie, lie. What are you lying for?

Easy to answer question: How do you Know when politicians are lying?

Whenever their lips are moving.

Even as a true conservative I'm not gonna deny that republicans lie constantly and do a lot of evil stuff to society. Today's republicans are rino's. Republican in name only. Democrats are full blown communists.

We the citizens should stop attacking each other and start electing people who actually understand what "land of the free and home of the brave" meant.

We're all frustrated and divded which is exactly where the government wants us. The more we the people fight amongst ourselves the weaker we are and the stronger our anti-constitutional tyrannical government is.