Shut the fuck up GB Wrote:
\
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHHAA
>
> THAT IS HOW IGNORANT YOU ARE YOU CUNT
>
> Arlington IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE
>
> Its traffic has been DOWN over the past 20 years
> even though their square footage development has
> TRIPLED in the same time and their population has
> risen.

Dunno if that's true or if it's bullshit. But I do know it SOUNDS like bullshit based on their own cops http://www.arlingtonva.us/departments/police/documents/ACPD%20Annual%20Report%202011.pdf.pdf

the tl/dr?

In 2011, the likelihood of an Arlington County citizen being in a traffic accident was 1 in 69. This
is an 8% increase from 2010, along with a 40.7% increase in the number of traffic accidents with
bicycles and a 16% increase in the number of traffic accidents with pedestrians

sounds like more traffic to me..........but WAIT! There's more!

Despite these growths, the number of traffic-related fatalities and injuries declined by 33.3% and 7.9%,
respectively.

AWESOME Arlington!! You know what that means, though...........that traffic is so bad, that you cant even get up to speed to kill one another in a crash LoLz


> How did they do it? Better transit, better buses,
> LESS highways for commuters living outside of
> arlington, less wasteful spending on road
> widenings, and most importantly more density in
> commercial cores you stupid fuckin ignorant cunt
> who thinks she knows anything.

Cool Story, Bro - and COMPLETELY having nothing to do with the issues that the Beltway has. 495 is a Federal Interstate highway, not a local close-minded jurisdiction. Might as be comparing guns with swimming pools LoLz


> The only reason you think Arlington has bad
> traffic is because all you know is driving on 66
> THROUGH arlington, something barely any
> Arlingtonians do.

Kinda my point. I'm never on 66 - I'm cutting thru on Lorcom Lane thru someone's neighborhood to beat 66 traffic LoLz. We in Fairfax dont want that out of town traffic on our neighborhood collector streets like that. Better to have freeway traffic on the Beltway than on Balls Hill Rd. Arlington would rather have me on Williamsburg Blvd than 66, which will NEVER make sense to me..........but whateves.

pic unrelated



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^ I rest my case.

@Focus - cant argue that one LoLz

you are such a fucking moron Wrote:
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> Read the memo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ok bud Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > fuck fair Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > katiesmith Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > The key though is that it should be based
> > on
> > > > use.
> > > > > The person who drives a corolla once a
> week
> > > to
> > > > the
> > > > > grocery store and otherwise uses metro,
> > > > shouldn't
> > > > > have to pay the same thing that the
> soccer
> > > mom
> > > > in
> > > > > the gas guzzler SUV who makes 5 trips a
> day
> > > > does,
> > > > > as the damage to the roads isn't the same.
>
> > > > This
> > > > > is the problem with the registration
> fees.
> > > >
> > > > Fares pay for 57.6% of your Metro ride -
> the
> > > rest
> > > > is taken through taxes. Assuming you ride
> at
> > > peak
> > > > times 200 days per year at $8/day RT,
> that's
> > > close
> > > > to $1200 a year you are receiving in
> welfare.
> >
> > > >
> > > > BTW, your POS Corolla is already taxed
> less,
> > > via
> > > > the car tax. And you use less gas per
> mile,
> > > and
> > > > less gas overall, thus paying less gasoline
> > tax.
> > >
> > > > And your registration costs less
> (marginally)
> > > than
> > > > a SUV.
> > > >
> > > > Facts are such stubborn things - but keep
> > > hitting
> > > > that 'fairness' thing, it really seems to
> > work
> > > > well these days.
> > >
> > > You can't do math. 400 million in receipts,
> 500
> > > million expenses for operation of metro. 80%
> > from
> > > fares, 20% from subsidies. BTW those
> > "subsidies"
> > > are more than made up by the fact that
> > businesses
> > > and commercial properties grow exponentially
> > next
> > > to metro lines, bringing in hundreds of
> > millions
> > > if not billions.
> > >
> > > Jackass
> >
> > Here's the 2011 budget -
> >
> http://www.wmata.com/about_metro/docs/ANNUAL_BUDGE
>
> > T_FY2011.pdf - latest I could find.
> >
> > 1.45B operating budget, only 789M came from
> fares.
> > That's actually a little less - 54% percent of
> the
> > operating costs are covered by fares. The rest
> of
> > your ticket is paid by everyone else's taxes -
> > Federal, state, and local.
>
> Hahahahaha
>
> You moron. WMATA runs buses to you fucktwat. Look
> at the part that says RAIL OPERATION, and shut the
> fuck up and admit you dont know dick, you dick

WMATA runs all of it. Nothing, nothing covers it's costs - every single type of service they run is subsidized - it doesn't even cover it's costs at the operating budget, which leaves out everything that needs to be spent on capital projects.

Now run along and lock yourself back in your little station manager station before someone asks you to open the bathroom.

Shut the fuck up GB Wrote:
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> Arlington IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE
>
> Its traffic has been DOWN over the past 20 years

Total bullshit. Post evidence or STFU.

@FD11 - I think that the point was that the local lanes were at speed. Send your money to charity

HOT lanes should have been administered like 395, except with regular EZpasses. This FLEX pass is ridiculous, used nowhere but on this stretch of road.

Or an HOV lane within.

I'm a fuckin transportation engineer you stupid twat. I love how you are arguing shit that is known fact. Have you suddenly decided to join the ranks of Teaparty anti-statistics types?

http://www.arlingtonva.us/departments/CPHD/planning/powerpoint/rbpresentation/rbpresentation_060107.pdf

Suck it you know nothing. READ IT. Don't come back with a weak argument until you have read it and seen the 30 years of data they included with the study. asswipe

Congestion in Arlington is down. Your argument using traffic incidence of all measures is idiotic and has nothing to do with anything. Congestion, ie the time it takes for a person to get from point A to point B in Arlington County is down even though development has boomed over the past 30 years.

Why?

Well 1 there are many many ways to get around including better street grid design, bike access, speed calming (to make bike access more popular), very extensive bus networks and yes RAIL.

The reason I brought up LA is because it is perennially the most congested place in the country along side of DC, Houston, and Atlanta all of which spend billions to put down as much pavement as possible. None of these cities have particularly massive populations, but what they do have is a huge suburban and exurban population which accesses highways much like a flood coming from a large watershed overwhelms a river bank.

Your dumbass is way out of your league so shut the fuck up and stop spreading lies to people you are making this area continue down a path of bad transportation design.

GB you are stupid Wrote:
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> I'm a fuckin transportation engineer you stupid
> twat. I love how you are arguing shit that is
> known fact. Have you suddenly decided to join the
> ranks of Teaparty anti-statistics types?
>
> http://www.arlingtonva.us/departments/CPHD/plannin
> g/powerpoint/rbpresentation/rbpresentation_060107.
> pdf
>
> Suck it you know nothing. READ IT. Don't come back
> with a weak argument until you have read it and
> seen the 30 years of data they included with the
> study. asswipe
>
> Congestion in Arlington is down. Your argument
> using traffic incidence of all measures is idiotic
> and has nothing to do with anything. Congestion,
> ie the time it takes for a person to get from
> point A to point B in Arlington County is down
> even though development has boomed over the past
> 30 years.
>
> Why?
>
> Well 1 there are many many ways to get around
> including better street grid design, bike access,
> speed calming (to make bike access more popular),
> very extensive bus networks and yes RAIL.
>
> The reason I brought up LA is because it is
> perennially the most congested place in the
> country along side of DC, Houston, and Atlanta all
> of which spend billions to put down as much
> pavement as possible. None of these cities have
> particularly massive populations, but what they do
> have is a huge suburban and exurban population
> which accesses highways much like a flood coming
> from a large watershed overwhelms a river bank.
>
> Your dumbass is way out of your league so shut the
> fuck up and stop spreading lies to people you are
> making this area continue down a path of bad
> transportation design.


Well, SHE does work for DOT.

lmao

Important FFXU life strategy:

If you know the person is an idiot, why would their opinion bother you? It's just reinforcing what you already Know about that person, and nothing about yourself or reality.



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Atom Wrote:
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> Important FFXU life strategy:
>
> If you know the person is an idiot, why would
> their opinion bother you? It's just reinforcing
> what you already Know about that person, and
> nothing about yourself or reality.


Because of the comment above. People think because she works for VDOt that she knows anything about proper transportation design. I know a lot of people who work for VDOT too, they couldn't make it at real engineering jobs, and more importantly VDOT itself is structured in a way that people who perform studies are ignored for the politics of road widenings and rural highway designs.

Perfect example is the I-66 congestion study where VDOT actually recommended that the best bang for the buck would be spot improvements to ramps and better transit viability. So what did VDOT use that study for? To propose more widenings of I-66 which their own damn study shows is the least effective form of congestion relief.

The best way to fix congestion would be to identify idiot drivers with all these cameras and eliminate them.

How about lower the tolls? Maybe more will ride.

The problem is it calculates tolls per mile. What kind of bullshit is that. And the rates fluctuate by the period of day. People don't trust fluctuating calculations based on the amount of road you've traveled they've assessed. I mean a fuckin toll can't get more complicated than that, unless of course there where different fluctuated rates per mile for different sections. Which would be just insane. But the point is, people around here aren't accustomed to this type of tolling. They're used to traffic, if they need to get there in the morning they might spend a little. Probably decide to ride the traffic out in the afternoon.

@ itsabullshit

I'd have to agreee. Makes no sense. Because it's $.50 more/less than yesterday, am I going to take this road or not. I have on a second to decide before I enter.

I believe that instead, they just decide NOT to take. By not taking, you just knocked off $.10/gallon on your tank of gas. ($.10x20=$2.00)

Finally, I haven't bought the new EZpass yet. I'm keeping my old FREE ones until the battery wears out. I think that Virginia is now looking at EZPASS as a money making operation, not a traffic abatement solution.

VERY SILLY! FOR SHAME!

I'd have to agree Wrote:
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> @ itsabullshit
>
> I'd have to agreee. Makes no sense. Because it's
> $.50 more/less than yesterday, am I going to take
> this road or not. I have on a second to decide
> before I enter.
>
> I believe that instead, they just decide NOT to
> take. By not taking, you just knocked off
> $.10/gallon on your tank of gas. ($.10x20=$2.00)
>
> Finally, I haven't bought the new EZpass yet. I'm
> keeping my old FREE ones until the battery wears
> out. I think that Virginia is now looking at
> EZPASS as a money making operation, not a traffic
> abatement solution.
>
> VERY SILLY! FOR SHAME!

VDOT, if it was looking for the best interest and safety of drivers, should be investigating how to coordinate with GPS software and iOS/Droid to have an app that gives you a real time cost for use. It would take all of a day for a good programmer to come up with this, and Transurban already monitors the price at their control station so it would require absolutely zero infrastructure support.

Totally agree Wrote:
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>
> VDOT, if it was looking for the best interest and
> safety of drivers, should be investigating how to
> coordinate with GPS software and iOS/Droid to have
> an app that gives you a real time cost for use. It
> would take all of a day for a good programmer to
> come up with this, and Transurban already monitors
> the price at their control station so it would
> require absolutely zero infrastructure support.


SOOOOOO +1. And get this! Soon the beltway will have "distance times" like they do on 66 and 95 (that whole "Manassas - 15 mins" dealie) but the times WILL NOT be separate for reg and EZ lanes - it's gonna be a combo or avg. of BOTH times in BOTH sets of lanes, know what I mean? What sorta bullshit is that, right?

J.M. Keynes Wrote:
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> feelitmore Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The new Beltway Express Lanes lost $11.3
> million
> > in their first six weeks of operation, new
> > documents shown to investors from operator
> > Transurban show.
> >
> > The lanes raked in $800,000 in tolls and
> $200,000
> > in fees and other revenue but had $3.2 million
> in
> > operating costs, as well as depreciation of
> $2.1
> > million and financing costs of $7 million,
> > according to documents the Australian company
> > showed investors and that were first reported
> by
> > TollRoadsNews.
> >
> > An average of 23,308 vehicles took the lanes
> every
> > day in the first six weeks, less than half of
> the
> > 66,000 cars a traffic consultant for the
> project
> > predicted in 2007.
> >
> > TAR AND FEATHER TIME!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> http://washingtonexaminer.com/new-beltway-express-
>
> > lanes-losing-money/article/2521095
>
> And in a move that is sure to increase ridership,
> the minimum toll rates have been INCREASING
> gradually. One example, Dulles Toll Road to the
> Springfield interchange was $1.65 when the lanes
> first opened, and is now $1.85, and I even saw it
> at $2.00 at a time closer to rush hour, but when
> neither the regular Beltway lanes nor the Express
> Lanes were slowed down at all.
>
> The move appears to be directed at persons who
> will ride the lanes for whatever reason, and may
> not care what it costs. The tolls were only
> supposed to go up to dissuade drivers from
> entering the lanes when traffic on the lanes was
> sufficienty crowded that traffic was slowing below
> some particular speed. That extra 0.20 to 0.35 in
> minimum tolls should go a long way to getting this
> project into the black...


Umm Where can I get on the Dulles Toll Road from the Springfield Interchange? Investments are not calculated in short gains, but long term, How long was there a toll plaza in Richmond for I-95 travelers? How much did that rake in over the life of the toll?

The whole idea of the Hot Lanes was to help during Rush Hour, and I do remember hearing that charges would change depending when it was used. I have a few small issues with the whole concept, even though I do understand the Concept. Will there be a discount if there is an accident or disabled vehicle that hems up traffic? 95 is a bitch south especially if there is an accident in PW before the end of the HOV lanes. also (if you have Smart Tag transponder you can travel free with a full load, but you cannot without a transponder but have a full load?) (Full Load is 5 people in vehicle.) This is a Investment so I don't expect it to be turning profit anytime on the next few years. but over the lifespan it should pay for itself.

@BB - I wonder if there is an accident if the toll lanes will get cleared out more quickly than the regular lanes because of the $$$$$?

That's also interesting about this concept. If there is eventually the implementation of transponders in vehicles in the area. Won't it be in the business interests of of these damn Aussie overlords to create fender bender that produce profit?

GB you are stupid Wrote:
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> I'm a fuckin transportation engineer you stupid
> twat. I love how you are arguing shit that is
> known fact. Have you suddenly decided to join the
> ranks of Teaparty anti-statistics types?
>
> http://www.arlingtonva.us/departments/CPHD/plannin
> g/powerpoint/rbpresentation/rbpresentation_060107.
> pdf
>
> Suck it you know nothing. READ IT. Don't come back
> with a weak argument until you have read it and
> seen the 30 years of data they included with the
> study. asswipe
>
> Congestion in Arlington is down. Your argument
> using traffic incidence of all measures is idiotic
> and has nothing to do with anything. Congestion,
> ie the time it takes for a person to get from
> point A to point B in Arlington County is down
> even though development has boomed over the past
> 30 years.
>
> Why?
>
> Well 1 there are many many ways to get around
> including better street grid design, bike access,
> speed calming (to make bike access more popular),
> very extensive bus networks and yes RAIL.
>
> The reason I brought up LA is because it is
> perennially the most congested place in the
> country along side of DC, Houston, and Atlanta all
> of which spend billions to put down as much
> pavement as possible. None of these cities have
> particularly massive populations, but what they do
> have is a huge suburban and exurban population
> which accesses highways much like a flood coming
> from a large watershed overwhelms a river bank.
>
> Your dumbass is way out of your league so shut the
> fuck up and stop spreading lies to people you are
> making this area continue down a path of bad
> transportation design.

I dunno who you work for, but I do know I came across that SAME LINK ONLINE when I found the police report. I also remember I didnt use it cause, AS EVERYBODY CAN SEE, it's just some powerpoint presentation that shows NOT A DAMN THING in terms of traffic data counts. It's too busy patting itself on the back for the fact that ppl who LIVE NEAR METRO dont have a car...........and OF COURSE, in CLASSIC ARLINGTON COUNTY FASHION, DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT ANYBODY WHO DOES NOT LIVE NEAR NOR HAS ACCESS TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION!

Anyways, I've dealt with self-entitled dickheads who are so full of their own shit, they cant smell the farts coming out their mouth before, so yeah I'm in my league. Many will tell you I'm a league of my own LoLz

You wanna tell use there's less fucking traffic in Arlington when I've got eyes in my fucking head and know 395, 66, 50, 29, and Glebe take longer to drive than it did 20 years ago, fine - go right ahead. Meanwhile, the rest of us are gonna notice the traffic is getting worse and wonder what the fuck you are talking about



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Please make HOT like 395 or 66 lanes, before Virginia taxpayers have to sink anymore money into this loser. BTW, let transsuburan file for bankruptcy.

GB you are stupid Wrote:
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> I'm a fuckin transportation engineer you stupid
> twat. I love how you are arguing shit that is
> known fact. Have you suddenly decided to join the
> ranks of Teaparty anti-statistics types?
>
> http://www.arlingtonva.us/departments/CPHD/plannin
> g/powerpoint/rbpresentation/rbpresentation_060107.
> pdf
>
> Suck it you know nothing. READ IT. Don't come back
> with a weak argument until you have read it and
> seen the 30 years of data they included with the
> study. asswipe
>
> Congestion in Arlington is down. Your argument
> using traffic incidence of all measures is idiotic
> and has nothing to do with anything. Congestion,
> ie the time it takes for a person to get from
> point A to point B in Arlington County is down
> even though development has boomed over the past
> 30 years.
>
> Why?
>
> Well 1 there are many many ways to get around
> including better street grid design, bike access,
> speed calming (to make bike access more popular),
> very extensive bus networks and yes RAIL.
>
> The reason I brought up LA is because it is
> perennially the most congested place in the
> country along side of DC, Houston, and Atlanta all
> of which spend billions to put down as much
> pavement as possible. None of these cities have
> particularly massive populations, but what they do
> have is a huge suburban and exurban population
> which accesses highways much like a flood coming
> from a large watershed overwhelms a river bank.
>
> Your dumbass is way out of your league so shut the
> fuck up and stop spreading lies to people you are
> making this area continue down a path of bad
> transportation design.


Wow, you're really overcompensating for something, douchebag.

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> GB you are stupid Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm a fuckin transportation engineer you stupid
> > twat. I love how you are arguing shit that is
> > known fact. Have you suddenly decided to join
> the
> > ranks of Teaparty anti-statistics types?
> >
> >
> http://www.arlingtonva.us/departments/CPHD/plannin
>
> >
> g/powerpoint/rbpresentation/rbpresentation_060107.
>
> > pdf
> >
> > Suck it you know nothing. READ IT. Don't come
> back
> > with a weak argument until you have read it and
> > seen the 30 years of data they included with
> the
> > study. asswipe
> >
> > Congestion in Arlington is down. Your argument
> > using traffic incidence of all measures is
> idiotic
> > and has nothing to do with anything.
> Congestion,
> > ie the time it takes for a person to get from
> > point A to point B in Arlington County is down
> > even though development has boomed over the
> past
> > 30 years.
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > Well 1 there are many many ways to get around
> > including better street grid design, bike
> access,
> > speed calming (to make bike access more
> popular),
> > very extensive bus networks and yes RAIL.
> >
> > The reason I brought up LA is because it is
> > perennially the most congested place in the
> > country along side of DC, Houston, and Atlanta
> all
> > of which spend billions to put down as much
> > pavement as possible. None of these cities have
> > particularly massive populations, but what they
> do
> > have is a huge suburban and exurban population
> > which accesses highways much like a flood
> coming
> > from a large watershed overwhelms a river bank.
> >
> > Your dumbass is way out of your league so shut
> the
> > fuck up and stop spreading lies to people you
> are
> > making this area continue down a path of bad
> > transportation design.
>
> I dunno who you work for, but I do know I came
> across that SAME LINK ONLINE when I found the
> police report. I also remember I didnt use it
> cause, AS EVERYBODY CAN SEE, it's just some
> powerpoint presentation that shows NOT A DAMN
> THING in terms of traffic data counts. It's too
> busy patting itself on the back for the fact that
> ppl who LIVE NEAR METRO dont have a
> car...........and OF COURSE, in CLASSIC ARLINGTON
> COUNTY FASHION, DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT ANYBODY
> WHO DOES NOT LIVE NEAR NOR HAS ACCESS TO PUBLIC
> TRANSPORTATION!
>
> Anyways, I've dealt with self-entitled dickheads
> who are so full of their own shit, they cant smell
> the farts coming out their mouth before, so yeah
> I'm in my league. Many will tell you I'm a league
> of my own LoLz
>
> You wanna tell use there's less fucking traffic in
> Arlington when I've got eyes in my fucking head
> and know 395, 66, 50, 29, and Glebe take longer to
> drive than it did 20 years ago, fine - go right
> ahead. Meanwhile, the rest of us are gonna notice
> the traffic is getting worse and wonder what the
> fuck you are talking about

Haha, and how many Arlington residents give a shit about any of those other than Glebe and 29? It takes 10 minutes to get from Ballston to Rosslyn by rail, bus, or car. It takes 10 minutes to get from Burke Lake Rd to Wake Field Chapel Rd on braddock (with all 8 lanes).

You tell me who has better traffic numb nuts

Unfortunately the internet search world is obscured by shitty scroogling. In 2008 that study did have the actual statistics, unfortunately that document is hard to track down now. I will try to track down and post for your dumbass.

hahaha ok GB great defense Wrote:
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>
> Haha, and how many Arlington residents give a shit
> about any of those other than Glebe and 29?

Yay! More selfish ass Arlington-ish attitude against it's neighbors. Way to go. For the record, they OBVIOUSLY care since they have you putting traffic calming in their neighborhoods, jackass - or what - you think they want speed humps for decoration? Some Engineer...................

It
> takes 10 minutes to get from Ballston to Rosslyn
> by rail, bus, or car. It takes 10 minutes to get
> from Burke Lake Rd to Wake Field Chapel Rd on
> braddock (with all 8 lanes).

You are so full of shit it's not even funny. YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NEVER EVEN CONSIDERED THE FACT YOU HAVE TO STAND AROUND TO WAIT FOR BUS AND TRAIN. Aint taking 10 minutes when you have a 15-20 minute transfer time to get on the 2C. And I dont know what you've been smoking that makes you see 10 minute communte on thru Clarendon at 5 PM, but I know that's some good shit LoLz. NOT REALLY HAPPENING, BRAH!

I'd also point out how Braddock Rd is designed to handle traffic flow for FAR MORE TRAFFIC than any street between Ballson and Rosslyn.

> You tell me who has better traffic numb nuts
>

For the record, in REALITY, Braddock at Wakefield sees more traffic a day than any part of 66 in Arlington County ................which is REALLY f**king sad.

http://www.virginiadot.org/info/resources/Traffic_2011/AADT_029_Fairfax_2011.xls
http://www.virginiadot.org/info/resources/Traffic_2011/AADT_000_Arlington_2011.xls


> Unfortunately the internet search world is
> obscured by shitty scroogling. In 2008 that study
> did have the actual statistics, unfortunately that
> document is hard to track down now. I will try to
> track down and post for your dumbass.


Whelp, you can go ahead and try to come up with docs that will prove to us traffic is less in Arlington - you go ahead and do that, k?

MEANWHILE, that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the topic at hand - which was the Beltway HOT lanes, litte lady. Seriously, if you wanna try and prove Arlington County doesnt have it's head up it's ass about 66 (which it does LoLz) , start a new thread, yo..............

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Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> MEANWHILE, that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with
> the topic at hand - which was the Beltway HOT
> lanes, litte lady. Seriously, if you wanna try
> and prove Arlington County doesnt have it's head
> up it's ass about 66 (which it does LoLz) , start
> a new thread, yo..............

The only people who think Arlington has its head up its ass are the idiots that were so stupid they decided to live outside the beltway. Blaming an entire county for your own stupidity is a bit excessive - even for you.

location Wrote:
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>
> The only people who think Arlington has its head
> up its ass are the idiots that were so stupid they
> decided to live outside the beltway. Blaming an
> entire county for your own stupidity is a bit
> excessive - even for you.


When it comes to 66, YES YOU ARE DAMN STRAIGHT Arlington has it's head up it's ass.

Any group of ppl that would rather have Freeway traffic on it's residential and arterial streets is just nuts.

Granted, not everyone in Arlington is full of shit................but I really doubt the good ppl of Arlington are gonna get all butthurt thinking I really think they all think the same way or something.................

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> location Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > The only people who think Arlington has its
> head
> > up its ass are the idiots that were so stupid
> they
> > decided to live outside the beltway. Blaming
> an
> > entire county for your own stupidity is a bit
> > excessive - even for you.
>
>
> When it comes to 66, YES YOU ARE DAMN STRAIGHT
> Arlington has it's head up it's ass.
>
> Any group of ppl that would rather have Freeway
> traffic on it's residential and arterial streets
> is just nuts.
>
> Granted, not everyone in Arlington is full of
> shit................but I really doubt the good
> ppl of Arlington are gonna get all butthurt
> thinking I really think they all think the same
> way or something.................


You act as if all the lanes outside the beltway have kept motorists off of the arterial streets of Fairfax. Well?

Kinda why we built the Parkway, widened 123, 66 and 95. We had LOTSA traffic on a LOTTA arterials. So we built a new highway and widened others. I can DEFINATELY tell ya traffic, as much as it sucks is HELLA BETTER on arterials like Old Keene Mill, West Ox, Centerville, and Hunter Mill than it was 20 years ago, that's for DAMN sure.


Granted, we arent doing the GREATEST in the battle...............but it sure as fuck beats sticking yr head in the sand and going "we are just gonna pretend it's 1960"

location Wrote:
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>
> The only people who think Arlington has its head
> up its ass are the idiots that were so stupid they
> decided to live outside the beltway. Blaming an
> entire county for your own stupidity is a bit
> excessive - even for you.

Have fun fleeing the city during the next national disaster that hits the area.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2013 03:42PM by Hay Zeus.

Great the classic arlington why dont you live here argument

Most people dont want to live in a condo tower and to live within walking distance of a metro costs way too much

The comeback will be for the buses right

Well guess what by the time you walk to the bus stop wait for the bus get off walk to metro wait for train.... see the problem with this

They just put a busline in from Burke to Tysons that is one hour long. One hour. The drive even on the worst days is almost never an hour. Who in their right mind is going to take this route.

Look mass transit works in places with massive amounts of people. Reality check most of the people even in this area don't live in high density places and don't really want to. See the not wanting to live in a condo tower argument from earlier

What does Arlington have anything to do with 495 HOT lanes debacle?

Time to close down the "GOP did this" party. Mark Warner-D was governor from 2002-2006. He was followed by Tim Kaine-D from 2006-2010. Agreement for HOT lanes was signed April 2005 and finalized December 2007 by VDOT. Pretty sure the governor has control of VDOT so look in the mirrow for who brought this stupid idea to reality and go back to your village.

I dont understand your racism.

Follow the money not the conceptualization. As always let's ask ourselves, WHO are the ones who want more private public partnerships for toll roads?

Could it be the people on Fox Sunday Morning and Meet the Press talking about removal of the gas tax and replacing costly transportation projects with private roads?

Logic test = you fail

Village? Wrote:
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> I dont understand your racism.
>
> Follow the money not the conceptualization. As
> always let's ask ourselves, WHO are the ones who
> want more private public partnerships for toll
> roads?
>
> Could it be the people on Fox Sunday Morning and
> Meet the Press talking about removal of the gas
> tax and replacing costly transportation projects
> with private roads?
>
> Logic test = you fail


This is from the "left" press btw...



Privatizing Roads, Bridges, Schools and Energy Grids? Corporatism Pervades SOTU

While the President pledged to reel in corporations, his grand plans for the U.S. proposed just the opposite.

by Laura Gottesdiener, AlterNet

. . .

. . . on the issue of income inequality, the President’s rhetoric was right across the board--that is, until he actually began unfurling his Grand Plans. That’s when the President’s typical double-speak kicked in. He promised to curtail corporate profits, but his vision for a new, “high-tech” America seemed to entail turning everything from our highways to our public schools into corporate-owned, public-private partnerships.


. . . Obama’s proposed public-private partnerships went far beyond public school classrooms. They also include the country’s most essential infrastructure: roads, bridges, rails and even energy grid.


. . . Couched as a way to save taxpayers’ money, the President actually just dangled a considerable carrot in front of corporations: construction grants and partial ownership of nearly all of the United States’ infrastructure.Public private partnerships are essentially a stepping stone to full privatization of our roads, bridges, railways, power grids and--yes--even our public schools.

The implications of this proposal are so scary that they even startled a Fox News reporter who commented, “It’s unnerving to hear the suggestion that the best way to guard against corporate excess is by crafting ever-closer public/private partnerships.”

As a concept, public-private partnerships can be considered a metaphor for any type of privatization: they sound smart in a capitalist society, but they’re never what they’re cracked up to be.

As a trio of smart economics professors, including one at Yale University, writes in a paper on using these partnerships to revamp U.S. infrastructure, “Public-private partnerships are often touted as a “best-of-both-worlds” alternative to public provision and privatization. But in practice, they have been dogged by contract design problems, waste, and unrealistic expectations. Governments sometimes opt for a public-private partnership, for example, because they mistakenly believe that it offers a way to finance infrastructure without adding to the public debt. In other cases, contract renegotiations have resulted in excessive costs for taxpayers or losses for private firms.”

. . .

COOL STORY, BRO!

what in the FUCK does any of that have to do with the EZ lanes?

Reality Wrote:
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> Great the classic arlington why dont you live here
> argument
>
> Most people dont want to live in a condo tower and
> to live within walking distance of a metro costs
> way too much
>
> The comeback will be for the buses right
>
> Well guess what by the time you walk to the bus
> stop wait for the bus get off walk to metro wait
> for train.... see the problem with this
>
> They just put a busline in from Burke to Tysons
> that is one hour long. One hour. The drive even
> on the worst days is almost never an hour. Who in
> their right mind is going to take this route.
>
> Look mass transit works in places with massive
> amounts of people. Reality check most of the
> people even in this area don't live in high
> density places and don't really want to. See the
> not wanting to live in a condo tower argument from
> earlier

Tell that to residents of Arlington, Alexandria, Bethesda and DC all of which grew plenty fast.

The point isnt to force everyone into high rises, but you should realize if you can get those who do want to live in cities (30-40% of the population) to actual do so, it means you remove them from roads further out. It is far better to reduce demand than to increase capacity marginally.

That is the point of critiquing this idea that road widening helps anything. It helps up to 6 or 8 lanes. And yes it is 6 OR 8 lanes because every road is different dependent on the geometry of exits, intersection timing, and a myriad of other issues that are far more important than number of lanes.

But you layman dont understand that, you think someone is just lying to you when we recommend not to widen a road and instead invest that money elsewhere for better bang for the buck.

I can point to plenty of roads that as soon as they were widened they returned to being congested and soon Route 50 will be joining that group because at the core of the problem is the terrible land use in Centreville and South Riding and Chantilly that forces people to have only one choice, drive everywhere for everything.

Lastly for any moron who would actually say that Arlington traffic is worse today than in the 80s? Only for Fairfax residents.

Means of transportation to work:
Drove a car alone: 63,726 (55%)
Carpooled: 13,339 (11%)
Bus or trolley bus: 5,632 (5%)
Subway or elevated: 20,786 (18%)
Bicycle: 803 (1%)
Walked: 6,475 (6%)
Other means: 628 (1%)
Worked at home: 3,888 (3%)


Read more: http://www.city-data.com/county/Arlington_County-VA.html#ixzz2L4G3nrBU

Only 55% of people in Arlington drive individually to work. People have choices in Arlington if traffic is bad in their neighborhood. In Fairfax

The Dems and GOP are both pandering for the moderate votes. Case Closed.

And nobody cares what happens in Arlington. This thread is about HOT lanes in FAIRFAX county.

@Obama - I know right? Odd as hell. Can those ppl maybe not read? Prolly a case of the ESL's LoLz
@yes - DO YOU NOT KNOW HOW TO START YOUR OWN THREAD!?!?!!?!? o_0

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @Obama - I know right? Odd as hell. Can those
> ppl maybe not read? Prolly a case of the ESL's
> LoLz
> @yes - DO YOU NOT KNOW HOW TO START YOUR OWN
> THREAD!?!?!!?!? o_0


@Butthurt Blvd - The thread is about the 495 hot lanes. The post was responding to the discussion of who is promoting public-private partnerships of the same type used in the case of the 495 hot lanes. It has more to do with the thread than your own dumbazz tangential posts about fucking Arlington. DO YOU NOT KNOW HOW TO START YOUR OWN THREAD ON ARLINGTON UNDERGROUND? o_O LoLz

Eventually, those hot lanes will be big moneymakers. Unfortunately, they'll be much slower when that happens.

Enjoyed your post FDII. My limo driver takes particular joy in using the hot lanes because of the time savings. It doesn't save me anything because he's salaried.

His attitude is much better and I still prefer cheap beer but then I'm not very interesting.

I'll bet you drink Dos Equi's.

Stay thirsty my friend!!

Ahem... For all those who think you are cheating the system by keeping your transponders on HOV mode, read this:

http://www.wtop.com/654/3226771/Drivers-receive-fines-for-cheating-tolls-on-the-Beltway-Express-Lanes

Butthurt Blvd Wrote:
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> @Butthurt Blvd - The thread is about the 495 hot
> lanes. The post was responding to the discussion
> of who is promoting public-private partnerships of
> the same type used in the case of the 495 hot
> lanes. It has more to do with the thread than
> your own dumbazz tangential posts about fucking
> Arlington. DO YOU NOT KNOW HOW TO START YOUR OWN
> THREAD ON ARLINGTON UNDERGROUND? o_O LoLz


took me a second to figure out how you could see the thread that way LoLz

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HOV Madness Wrote:
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> Ahem... For all those who think you are cheating
> the system by keeping your transponders on HOV
> mode, read this:
>
> http://www.wtop.com/654/3226771/Drivers-receive-fi
> nes-for-cheating-tolls-on-the-Beltway-Express-Lane
> s

Sounds to me like the Aussies figured out they are losing a ton of money and complained to the State Police whose response was to issue a press release to deter the HOV switch cheaters. Fifty-one whole tickets? That's well below one per day. And you know that they usually enforce these things in bunches. So sounds like on the whole enforcement is pretty lax.

Why do we even use scarce Virginia State Police resources to enforce billing practices for this corporation? It would seem the VSP would have more important things to do elsewhere.

It's not as if these lanes are full of cheaters. They aren't full of anybody right now, so they aren't even speeding things up for people. If anything, HOV cheaters are reducing traffic on the free lanes so they are actually improving the flow of traffic for the average motorist.

Theorist Wrote:
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> Why do we even use scarce Virginia State Police
> resources to enforce billing practices for this
> corporation? It would seem the VSP would have
> more important things to do elsewhere.
>
> It's not as if these lanes are full of cheaters.
> They aren't full of anybody right now, so they
> aren't even speeding things up for people. If
> anything, HOV cheaters are reducing traffic on the
> free lanes so they are actually improving the flow
> of traffic for the average motorist.


This! ^^^

According to the WTOP report, they only handed out 51 tickets. If anything that should signal that they are NOT monitering HOV.

I get the feeling that transurban is reading the fairfax underground. FU says FU!

The hot lanes are great! I recently passed a VSP cruiser going 100mph+ while giving him the finger. He was sitting in the HOT lanes waiting for tractor trailers and violators, he couldn't do shit as I was in the regular lanes. I see them often sitting in the middle which is great for the speedy drivers as they are not going through those PVC pipes to catch us.

Where is this magic reader the cops have that can pick you out as set to HOV when Transurban has to install at least 6-figure cost gantries to do the same thing? I call BS. But just for argument's sake...what if the Flex happens to be set for non-HOV just when the cop walks up to your window? What happens then?

I love the HOT lanes...I live in Falls Church and work in MoCo and they have been HUGE for me...saves me 25 min on my commute home. There's no doubt that traffic has been significantly better since these lanes have been built.

For any of you douchebags who root for this project to fail...well...you guys are fucking morons. If you want our state to pay for this, then keep hoping this project loses money. Otherwise, stop being such cheap asses and pay the dollar or two to cut your commute and improve your work/life balance. Using these lanes will allow you to bang your fat wife 30 minutes sooner, or if you're single, jerk your vienna sausage 30 minutes earlier. Whatever the case, stop finding reasons to complain or root against the HOT lanes...they're here to stay whether you like it or not (and no...I don't work for TransUrban).

yourmom Wrote:
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> I love the HOT lanes...I live in Falls Church and
> work in MoCo and they have been HUGE for
> me...saves me 25 min on my commute home. There's
> no doubt that traffic has been significantly
> better since these lanes have been built.
>
> For any of you douchebags who root for this
> project to fail...well...you guys are fucking
> morons. If you want our state to pay for this,
> then keep hoping this project loses money.
> Otherwise, stop being such cheap asses and pay the
> dollar or two to cut your commute and improve your
> work/life balance. Using these lanes will allow
> you to bang your fat wife 30 minutes sooner, or if
> you're single, jerk your vienna sausage 30 minutes
> earlier. Whatever the case, stop finding reasons
> to complain or root against the HOT
> lanes...they're here to stay whether you like it
> or not (and no...I don't work for TransUrban).


LOL. That makes no sense dummy. Not many are 'rooting' for it to fail but I'm sure not going to pay to use the damn thing when I don't need to just to support it. How about instead we raise the tolls and people like you who are benefiting from it and think that it's such a great value can pay the true cost.

Short Ride Wrote:
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> yourmom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I love the HOT lanes...I live in Falls Church
> and
> > work in MoCo and they have been HUGE for
> > me...saves me 25 min on my commute home.
> There's
> > no doubt that traffic has been significantly
> > better since these lanes have been built.
> >
> > For any of you douchebags who root for this
> > project to fail...well...you guys are fucking
> > morons. If you want our state to pay for this,
> > then keep hoping this project loses money.
> > Otherwise, stop being such cheap asses and pay
> the
> > dollar or two to cut your commute and improve
> your
> > work/life balance. Using these lanes will
> allow
> > you to bang your fat wife 30 minutes sooner, or
> if
> > you're single, jerk your vienna sausage 30
> minutes
> > earlier. Whatever the case, stop finding
> reasons
> > to complain or root against the HOT
> > lanes...they're here to stay whether you like
> it
> > or not (and no...I don't work for TransUrban).
>
>
> LOL. That makes no sense dummy. Not many are
> 'rooting' for it to fail but I'm sure not going to
> pay to use the damn thing when I don't need to
> just to support it. How about instead we raise
> the tolls and people like you who are benefiting
> from it and think that it's such a great value can
> pay the true cost.


already scheduled to happen soon.... LoLz....

GordonBlvd Wrote:
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> Short Ride Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > yourmom Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I love the HOT lanes...I live in Falls Church
> > and
> > > work in MoCo and they have been HUGE for
> > > me...saves me 25 min on my commute home.
> > There's
> > > no doubt that traffic has been significantly
> > > better since these lanes have been built.
> > >
> > > For any of you douchebags who root for this
> > > project to fail...well...you guys are fucking
> > > morons. If you want our state to pay for
> this,
> > > then keep hoping this project loses money.
> > > Otherwise, stop being such cheap asses and
> pay
> > the
> > > dollar or two to cut your commute and improve
> > your
> > > work/life balance. Using these lanes will
> > allow
> > > you to bang your fat wife 30 minutes sooner,
> or
> > if
> > > you're single, jerk your vienna sausage 30
> > minutes
> > > earlier. Whatever the case, stop finding
> > reasons
> > > to complain or root against the HOT
> > > lanes...they're here to stay whether you like
> > it
> > > or not (and no...I don't work for
> TransUrban).
> >
> >
> > LOL. That makes no sense dummy. Not many are
> > 'rooting' for it to fail but I'm sure not going
> to
> > pay to use the damn thing when I don't need to
> > just to support it. How about instead we raise
> > the tolls and people like you who are
> benefiting
> > from it and think that it's such a great value
> can
> > pay the true cost.
>
>
> already scheduled to happen soon.... LoLz....


You mean already happening...maybe going to escalate even more!

ffx yuppie //m5 Wrote:
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> The hot lanes are great! I recently passed a VSP
> cruiser going 100mph+ while giving him the finger.
> He was sitting in the HOT lanes waiting for
> tractor trailers and violators, he couldn't do
> shit as I was in the regular lanes. I see them
> often sitting in the middle which is great for the
> speedy drivers as they are not going through those
> PVC pipes to catch us.

I have definitely seen more of this behavior, with the resources being shifted to the Express Lanes!


> But just for argument's sake...what if the Flex happens to be set for non->HOV just when the cop walks up to your window? What happens then?

You just gave away my game plan. :(

I think that you would want to switch to HOV before entering the sensors and back when out. The cop can just count, if he is walking up to your window.

Novel Idea Wrote:
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> I think that you would want to switch to HOV
> before entering the sensors and back when out.
> The cop can just count, if he is walking up to
> your window.


The gantries should have been installed right at entrances and exits for better enforcement at ramps, but that may have required more gantries and the installations at those points would have been more expensive. Since we know where all of the gantries are now, I move the switch to non-HOV as I pass the last gantry on my trip before I get to the exit just in case cops are waiting on the exit ramp (except going to 66 west from 495 north, nowhere safe on that exit for cops to do that). By default, the switch is always on "HOV ON" so I'm always set upon entering the lanes. If cops are ever on entrance ramps checking Flexes, the inevitable backup will allow me to switch before he can do a visual or use the supposed "hand-held reader" and then just switch back to "HOV ON" before hitting the first gantry once on the lanes. If a cop is sitting in the middle waiting for violators, I check my rear view when I pass him. If I'm not speeding and he pulls out, the switch immediately goes to non-HOV (until the next gantry) and I take my chances. <--very unlikely but simple to plan for

Only my observation, but there have never been cops on exit ramps I have used (yet...but Rt 7, Braddock, and 495 South to 66 West make sense with the ramp lengths, curves and space to park) so other than those, I think the odds of LE on a ramp are pretty low.

Until the IR cameras go in for enforcement, I wouldn't worry about getting caught for HOV toll cheating. And the cameras will be easy to spot. Certain tinting apps or baby shades on the rear and perhaps pass. side windows or maybe even taping a picture of people in the back seat to the rear windows will probably defeat those cameras (and probably some cops). I think the best bet is baby shades, though, based on the IR camera studies. Good luck!

Wow......................................just wow.

interesting how this thread has turned to "how to be a HOV thug"

you guise know you could just simply pay the 2 bucks, right?

the way y'all so proud to try and steal some change is just FUCKING PATHETIC

just sayin...................

Welcome to Spy and DHS Central--I mean Fairfax County. It's not pathetic, it's a game and challenge. I'm willing to pay the $$ (only, no pts) if I ever get pinched. I'll still be way ahead. To me it's more fun to play this than the lottery, slots or horses.

Not a toll yet Wrote:
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> Welcome to Spy and DHS Central--I mean Fairfax
> County. It's not pathetic, it's a game and
> challenge. I'm willing to pay the $$ (only, no
> pts) if I ever get pinched. I'll still be way
> ahead. To me it's more fun to play this than the
> lottery, slots or horses.


do you do this at Giant and the Gap too?

willing to pay for food or clothes only if you get caught?

ROFLMAO@you trying to justify it, bro.

If it's fun for you, that cool and great =) I'm just saying owe up to the fact yr being a thief, is all. Same as when a buncha ghetto kids mob a store and just start taking all they can get - just cause they can. It's EXACTLY what y'all are talking about doing - try to get over on the EZ pass - just cause you can.

@Gordon Blvd - your black & white perception to things is very naive. These are just suggestions on how to make the system better and a way to charge regular Fairfaxians more money to live in the area. They made the game, we are just playing it.

They need to cut the pricing when there is no traffic. This weekend I was on 495 a lot and from 395 to 66 the cheapest was $1.50. Traffic was free flowing so I took the free lanes, and saw no one on the HOTLANES. I would have considered the Hotlanes it if it was $.50 or less. $.50 would be worth it just for the added convenience of not having to use the right exit for 66.

@die - I wonder if they will ever do a discount to attract new drivers. Maybe something like 50% off Fridays, something like that? I dunno...............

@living - whelp, last I checked theft was theft. You wanna tell me it's ok to steal from the EZ pass ppl just cause you dont like them, that's all fine and dandy. But I dont know why that would be any different from when Da-Kwan, Jose, or Bubba is taking stuff off the shelf at Walmart.

Shoplifting is a criminal offense. So is 56 in a 55, or it's at least quasi-criminal. Do you worry about that? Unless you are on welfare, the price of getting caught shoplifting isn't worth the benefit of the item taken. Toll and HOV violations come nowhere near that and can be simply cleared up by paying a bill with $. I don't see the similarity and I'm done with this.

diedumbpeople Wrote:
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> They need to cut the pricing when there is no
> traffic. This weekend I was on 495 a lot and from
> 395 to 66 the cheapest was $1.50. Traffic was free
> flowing so I took the free lanes, and saw no one
> on the HOTLANES. I would have considered the
> Hotlanes it if it was $.50 or less. $.50 would be
> worth it just for the added convenience of not
> having to use the right exit for 66.


I think it should be free on weekends, or at least a nominal fee. If you charge .25 or .50 for it on the weekend, people may try it and like it and be willing to pay more for the weekday. If you charge the same price all the time, less people will be willing to try.

You can switch back from HOV to non HOV all you want. If you pass under a gantry with the HOV setting on, the policeman gets a text etc with your information so he can visually check it out.

Remember, it is not FREE if you are HOV, VDOT pays the bill. The Express Lanes people bill VDOT for every motorcycle and HOV and police and ambulance use of the lanes. VDOT is hoping and praying the fines they collect from cheaters will offset the money they pay for HOV users.

Not a toll yet Wrote:
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> Shoplifting is a criminal offense. So is 56 in a
> 55, or it's at least quasi-criminal. Do you worry
> about that? Unless you are on welfare, the price
> of getting caught shoplifting isn't worth the
> benefit of the item taken. Toll and HOV
> violations come nowhere near that and can be
> simply cleared up by paying a bill with $. I
> don't see the similarity and I'm done with this.

I notice yr answer is more about getting caught than about the fact yr stealing $$$$ from ppl. But whateves, we gotcha, stickyfingers. You'll shoplift ONLY if you dont think the cops are gonna care LoLz


@Meade - that's a VERY good point. Prolly why enforcement has been more EX-pass-ive LoLz
@HAwt - not a bad idea.

Meade's Hillbilly Cousin Wrote:
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> You can switch back from HOV to non HOV all you
> want. If you pass under a gantry with the HOV
> setting on, the policeman gets a text etc with
> your information so he can visually check it out.
>
>
> Remember, it is not FREE if you are HOV, VDOT pays
> the bill. The Express Lanes people bill VDOT for
> every motorcycle and HOV and police and ambulance
> use of the lanes. VDOT is hoping and praying the
> fines they collect from cheaters will offset the
> money they pay for HOV users.


VSP gets a text for each person/vehicle with the HOV setting?! Seems unmanageable to me. No wonder why they only caught 51 HOV violators referred in past WTOP article. Again, this is a testament of how poorly this HOT lanes are operated.

Is the point of HOT lane project for Transurban to make tons of money or to actually relieve the traffic congestion in the area? Question.

How do you encourage High occupancy vehicles to utilize HOT lane? Thereby reducing traffic congestion. Isn't that the point of this construction?

1. Not by charging everyone for use of EZpass that was once FREE. We should encourage everyone to have an EZpass transponder FREE. It's an investment for reducing traffic congestion.
2. Not by making the process more complicated with FLEX passes.
3. Not by making out of state people use the local lanes, even if they have a family of 4. Because they will NOT have this Flex pass.

I believe this is why the HOV subject has taken hold of this thread. Nobody is questioning the individual right to use and PAY for the use of the HOT lanes. Spend your money the way you want, nobody cares! It's the idea that HOV reduces traffic congestion as a whole(ie. slug lines, carpooling, ...etc) and that this idea has been disregarded so that a company can make a few bucks. We feel cheated by this deception, whether it was intentional or not. I don't speak for America, just little old timing me.

Hawtlane Wrote:
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> diedumbpeople Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > They need to cut the pricing when there is no
> > traffic. This weekend I was on 495 a lot and
> from
> > 395 to 66 the cheapest was $1.50. Traffic was
> free
> > flowing so I took the free lanes, and saw no
> one
> > on the HOTLANES. I would have considered the
> > Hotlanes it if it was $.50 or less. $.50 would
> be
> > worth it just for the added convenience of not
> > having to use the right exit for 66.
>
>
> I think it should be free on weekends, or at least
> a nominal fee. If you charge .25 or .50 for it on
> the weekend, people may try it and like it and be
> willing to pay more for the weekday. If you
> charge the same price all the time, less people
> will be willing to try.

I like this idea. People won't use it on the weekends when they see the $1.85 pricetag, but may consider seeing how good it is for little or no money.

Meade's Hillbilly Cousin Wrote:
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> Remember, it is not FREE if you are HOV, VDOT pays
> the bill. The Express Lanes people bill VDOT for
> every motorcycle and HOV and police and ambulance
> use of the lanes. VDOT is hoping and praying the
> fines they collect from cheaters will offset the
> money they pay for HOV users.


That makes no sense. The fines will never offset the HOV even at moderate levels of use. At high levels they'd/we'd get killed.

I really hope this is something that you're just pulling out of the air and not something that someone was dumb enough to actually negotiate.

Actually, ridership on the HOT lanes is increasing as more folks get the hang of them. Part of the slow rampup is because many of the people who are most likely to use them come from directions other than the Dulles Toll road area (western fairfax, Loudoun), so they never had to buy a smart tag/ezpass.

I use them daily now, I save 45 minutes to 75 minutes each way now, and my tolls are about $2 a day (yes it varies daily, but after a while you learn the times when the rate drops and adjust). For the extra 1.5 to 2 hours a day I have - its a wonderful price to pay.

Daily User Wrote:
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> Actually, ridership on the HOT lanes is increasing
> as more folks get the hang of them. Part of the
> slow rampup is because many of the people who are
> most likely to use them come from directions other
> than the Dulles Toll road area (western fairfax,
> Loudoun), so they never had to buy a smart
> tag/ezpass.
>
> I use them daily now, I save 45 minutes to 75
> minutes each way now, and my tolls are about $2 a
> day (yes it varies daily, but after a while you
> learn the times when the rate drops and adjust).
> For the extra 1.5 to 2 hours a day I have - its a
> wonderful price to pay.

It's sad when you pay for your free time.

sadder still to WASTE your free time in traffic

even sadder to have to work longer to have to pay NOT to sit in traffic

@cry - who's working longer? Dude, it's pocket change to use the damn thing.
Time to get a new job if you have to work longer hours for two bucks, yo.

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> sadder still to WASTE your free time in traffic

I used to fly to work. Fuck traffic. But this was Alaska.
But I will not pay a corporation from another country to use American Roads for a few minutes of time. This is why God created audible books.

The selling of America. Wrote:
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> Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > sadder still to WASTE your free time in traffic
>
> I used to fly to work. Fuck traffic. But this was
> Alaska.
> But I will not pay a corporation from another
> country to use American Roads for a few minutes of
> time. This is why God created audible books.


says the guy driving a Camry, tank full of Shell Gas, with a Blaupunkt to play those tapes ;)

Somebody appears to be doing some anti-express-lanes vigilanteism in the form of a box of screws.

Twice in the past two weeks, I've found a screw in a tire directly after using the express lanes.

What kind of sick person would purposefully vandalize thousands of cars?

Could have just been a box of screws that just fell off a back of a truck.

Or even more probable is that it box of screws that your son dropped in YOUR driveway that you keep running over.

Do I need a flex transponder for the expres lanes, or will my old on work?

you only need a new one if yr gonna use the HOV feature - otherwise yr good to go :)

Right? I would love to move. I can't. Looking at living here for ten more years. Wine and great friends helps. Plus money.

Thanks!

THe HOT lanes are a colossal failure. Split second decisions require an inducement. A $2.00 fare when you're already crusing along at 45-50 MPH is no reason to veer into the HOT lanes. THE BIGGEST DISCENTIVE is the VA state patrol car waiting for you in the HOT lane. Therefore, you can never exceed 55 MPH in the HOT lane, but when the traffic breaks open in the regular lane, you can hit the pedal to the medal to 60-65 MPH with the flow and no concern of being pulled over. WWJD....what would Jeff (gordon) do....go with the flow in the FREE REGULAR LANES...the HOT lanes are for those rich fools that keep eating at bad restaurants and convince themselves that the food, service, and ambiance are worth it...Cafe Milano, for example.

Bobby Filet Wrote:
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> THe HOT lanes are a colossal failure. Split
> second decisions require an inducement. A $2.00
> fare when you're already crusing along at 45-50
> MPH is no reason to veer into the HOT lanes. THE
> BIGGEST DISCENTIVE is the VA state patrol car
> waiting for you in the HOT lane. Therefore, you
> can never exceed 55 MPH in the HOT lane, but when
> the traffic breaks open in the regular lane, you
> can hit the pedal to the medal to 60-65 MPH with
> the flow and no concern of being pulled over.
> WWJD....what would Jeff (gordon) do....go with the
> flow in the FREE REGULAR LANES...the HOT lanes are
> for those rich fools that keep eating at bad
> restaurants and convince themselves that the food,
> service, and ambiance are worth it...Cafe Milano,
> for example.

+1 so true! I would use them more often but there is almost always a VSP cruiser posted up in the median. You are paying to use a heavier policed road... kinda sucks if you like to cruise 79mph/15 - 19 mph + PSL.

Bobby Filet Wrote:
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> ...the HOT lanes are
> for those rich fools that keep eating at bad
> restaurants and convince themselves that the food,
> service, and ambiance are worth it...Cafe Milano,
> for example.


THe should be full then with all of the pretentious, self-important asswipes around here.

Where is our Outer Beltway?

yeyeye Wrote:
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> Bobby Filet Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > THe HOT lanes are a colossal failure. Split
> > second decisions require an inducement. A
> $2.00
> > fare when you're already crusing along at 45-50
> > MPH is no reason to veer into the HOT lanes.
> THE
> > BIGGEST DISCENTIVE is the VA state patrol car
> > waiting for you in the HOT lane. Therefore,
> you
> > can never exceed 55 MPH in the HOT lane, but
> when
> > the traffic breaks open in the regular lane,
> you
> > can hit the pedal to the medal to 60-65 MPH
> with
> > the flow and no concern of being pulled over.
> > WWJD....what would Jeff (gordon) do....go with
> the
> > flow in the FREE REGULAR LANES...the HOT lanes
> are
> > for those rich fools that keep eating at bad
> > restaurants and convince themselves that the
> food,
> > service, and ambiance are worth it...Cafe
> Milano,
> > for example.
>
> +1 so true! I would use them more often but there
> is almost always a VSP cruiser posted up in the
> median. You are paying to use a heavier policed
> road... kinda sucks if you like to cruise 79mph/15
> - 19 mph + PSL.


Very True, because the point is to turn a buck, not to decrease the traffic congestion. Who cares if a guy wants to put premium gas into his car or spend an extra $2 ($4/roundtrip) a day on tolls.

Grassy Knoll guy Wrote:
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> Or even more probable is that it box of screws
> that your son dropped in YOUR driveway that you
> keep running over.

I don't have kids. You see, some of us can keep it in our pants.

In fact, you sound like exactly the kind of person who would throw a box of screws onto a public road.

@Jeff in Virginia - be proud that your gay don't hide it. BTW, wouldn't waste a box of screws on a public road, makes not sense.

Grassy Knoll guy Wrote:
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> @Jeff in Virginia - be proud that your gay don't
> hide it. BTW, wouldn't waste a box of screws on a
> public road, makes not sense.

Wow, you must be proud at how 'subversive' you think you are with your little crusade against progress. I hope a VSP trooper catches you red-handed and shows you what it's really like to abuse the law.

It was a pretty funny scene yesterday in the old HOT Lanes.

Since VDOT is run by morons, they decided to waste taxpayer dollars by salting the roads yesterday, even though the forecast was pretty clear that the winter weather was minimal. In doing so, they put salting and brine trucks in both of the HOT Lanes. So all 20 of the HOT Lane users got to go about 30 mph behind a few dump trucks. Meanwhile the regular lanes were wide open. I hope they enjoyed their ride. I'm going to guess Transurban doesn't offer refunds.

I wonder if the salting is the public or private part of this public/private partnership?

Daniel Walter Smith Wrote:
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> I wonder if the salting is the public or private
> part of this public/private partnership?


LOL. I'm sure it's public. Everyone knows that anytime a public company strikes a deal with the government, all the public company does is collect profits while public money is used to maintain the "services".

These HOT lanes are a joke. I drive the beltway often enough to get a randomized sampling of what it's like day to day and I see maybe 3 or 4 cars in them.

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