I got nailed getting off at the Leesburg Pike exit today at 4:02 PM. Cops pulled several cars over between 4 PM and 4:05 PM. All were people getting off after sitting in traffic jam before 4 PM HOV deadline.

This is total BS by the cops. They had several cars there until 4:35 PM and while they were handing out tickets we saw several cars get off at that time with only one person in it (and they weren't hybrids, etc).

Has anyone ever challenged this total bullshit move by the cops in court?

you do realize, the cop cant stop every car in violation. if he did, your ticket would take hours to write. he snagged you and another idiot, and everyone else after you got lucky. atleast until he was done with you two, because im sure he sat there and snagged several more. point being, dont break the law, and if you do, dont be surprized when you get a ticket. otherwise, dont bitch cause you broke the law and didnt get away with it. as minor as hov violations really are, they will write you so fast your head will spin.

Hey Douchebag, do you really thinking trying to get off (remember I said it was 4:02 PM) is a violation vs. the people who are on the road at 4 and getting off at 4:30. That's my point.

And please learn how to spell.

hay dood ya dat sux

nex time if ya see da cops pullin peopl on da ramp jus keep goin jus sayin

just like a stupid fuck stick worried about someones spelling. heres a tip, and a its free. dont push the times, just stay off hov when it gets close to the start time. then you wont get caught and be on ffu crying like a baby about it. nobody cares you got a ticket because you deserved it. backed up traffic is not an excuse. do me a favor, go to court, and see what the judge says. he's going to tell you the same thing.

Go to court, sounds like a screwjob to me.

RUKidding Wrote:
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> I got nailed getting off at the Leesburg Pike exit
> today at 4:02 PM. Cops pulled several cars over
> between 4 PM and 4:05 PM. All were people
> getting off after sitting in traffic jam before 4
> PM HOV deadline.

Teehee. Tough luck stupid. You gotta be off the highway by 4pm -- it isn't brain surgery.

Kiss that dough goodbye.

u idiot Wrote:
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> just like a stupid fuck stick worried about
> someones spelling. heres a tip, and a its free.
> dont push the times, just stay off hov when it
> gets close to the start time. then you wont get
> caught and be on ffu crying like a baby about it.
> nobody cares you got a ticket because you deserved
> it. backed up traffic is not an excuse. do me a
> favor, go to court, and see what the judge says.
> he's going to tell you the same thing.


what's worse OP? Getting owned by the state or by strangers in the interwebz?

RUKidding Wrote:
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> I got nailed getting off at the Leesburg Pike exit
> today at 4:02 PM. Cops pulled several cars over
> between 4 PM and 4:05 PM. All were people
> getting off after sitting in traffic jam before 4
> PM HOV deadline.
>
> This is total BS by the cops. They had several
> cars there until 4:35 PM and while they were
> handing out tickets we saw several cars get off at
> that time with only one person in it (and they
> weren't hybrids, etc).
>
> Has anyone ever challenged this total bullshit
> move by the cops in court?

How exactly is it "bullshit", dipshit? You got caught and someone didnt? Remember seeing cars pulled over on the side of the road as you drive by? That was their turn. Now its yours.

The sign says 4 and you were still on the HOV lanes at 4:02. What don't you understand?

If the sign says 4 and you feel that a ticket at 4:02 is "bullshit" when would you propose to have the police start writing tickets? 4:03? 4:12? 4:30? There's no points on your license for this. Pre-pay that ticket and move the fuck on, bro. Life is too fucking short to feel violated over something like this.

Father Time Wrote:
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> The sign says 4 and you were still on the HOV
> lanes at 4:02. What don't you understand?
>
> If the sign says 4 and you feel that a ticket at
> 4:02 is "bullshit" when would you propose to have
> the police start writing tickets? 4:03? 4:12?
> 4:30? There's no points on your license for this.
> Pre-pay that ticket and move the fuck on, bro.
> Life is too fucking short to feel violated over
> something like this.


Zactly. Especially when we all know that he was trying to bypass traffic and had no intention of getting off until he saw the cop but then it was too late.

Quit whining. You got caught. Man up.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Keep your eye on the sparrow.

RUk....
Yes, exact same thing happened to me. Pulled over at 4:02. I fought it and judge dismissed my ticket. I provided information on where I got on, (Fairfax Dr)and told judge I agreed with the time I was pulled over. I was able to convey that if traffic had been moving I would have been off in plenty of time. Honestly the judge was not happy with the officer who simply stated "they tell us to start enforcing at 4:00 your honor".
Don't pay attention to these other donks...if you have a clean driving record it's worth going to court. Cops have scheduled court dates so it doesn't hurt them to have no discretion or common sense. Good luck.
I'm pro law enforcement but this is where police earn bad will.

I on the other hand think a cop should use a little better discretion, and after he hears your side spoken politely then does a quick check on your driving record and sees you have plus 5 good points on your driving record you should be let off with stiff reprimand.

Also the cops can pull over 15 vehicles if they have room so I disagree with them cherry picking.

I do agree with other posts. Just pay it and move forward. The judges in fairfax co. traffic court aren't very sympathetic.

Been there Wrote:
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> RUk....
> Yes, exact same thing happened to me. Pulled over
> at 4:02. I fought it and judge dismissed my
> ticket. I provided information on where I got on,
> (Fairfax Dr)and told judge I agreed with the time
> I was pulled over. I was able to convey that if
> traffic had been moving I would have been off in
> plenty of time. Honestly the judge was not happy
> with the officer who simply stated "they tell us
> to start enforcing at 4:00 your honor".
> Don't pay attention to these other donks...if you
> have a clean driving record it's worth going to
> court. Cops have scheduled court dates so it
> doesn't hurt them to have no discretion or common
> sense. Good luck.
> I'm pro law enforcement but this is where police
> earn bad will.

Finally, some common sense. I have lived here 16 years and never had an HOV violation. I know how it works. I didn't get off the exit when I saw the cops, I got off because that was my exit and would have been off way before 4 had there not been an accident.

To all the idiots on here who are saying "you can't be on after 4"---no shit. I just think it doesnt make sense to pull those over that are getting off at 4.

you just finally got caught after all these years of violating hov. glad the cop stopped you and taught you a lesson. 4pm means 4pm. not 402pm

Fuck you. Too bad they didn't beat you senseless with a nightstick.

The reason traffic was so slow was because all the cheaters are backing up the HOV lanes. Then when they flee the slowdown, they bitch about getting caught? The HOV cheaters should be made to run a gauntlet of regular drivers who they normally breeze past every day.

Kilton Wrote:
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> Teehee. Tough luck stupid. You gotta be off the
> highway by 4pm -- it isn't brain surgery.
>
> Kiss that dough goodbye.


2:1 that if the OP'S STORY WAS TRUE AND HE CAN PROVE IT the judge is going to kick the ticket with at most a warning to be more careful. OP's problem is if his ticket says around 4:30 (which I assume it would if he knew who was coming off at 4:35) he's going to have a hard time convincing a judge that he was pulled over at 4:02.

So obviously there are a few rocket scientists out there who think that 4:02 is okay. I wonder where they draw the line. How about 4:05? 4:07? If the cutoff isn't 4:00, what should it be?

Enlighten us.

@Kilton - it should be whatever time it is AFTER they get off of 66!

BUT OFFICER!!!!! IT"S SOOOO UNFAIR!! YOU CAUGHT MEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Mannequin Wrote:
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> The reason traffic was so slow was because all the
> cheaters are backing up the HOV lanes. Then when
> they flee the slowdown, they bitch about getting
> caught? The HOV cheaters should be made to run a
> gauntlet of regular drivers who they normally
> breeze past every day.


I dont understand, if you are on the road between 3:30 and 4----how is that cheating? And then you get off the exit at 4:02 (and its the last exit before 66)? Enlighten me, how do you figure those are all cheaters on the road at that time.

All of the blowhards on this board would be bitching about the same thing.

I say the judge throws it out and the dude has a point.

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> So obviously there are a few rocket scientists out
> there who think that 4:02 is okay. I wonder where
> they draw the line. How about 4:05? 4:07? If the
> cutoff isn't 4:00, what should it be?
>
> Enlighten us.


I think the point here is why nail the people who are getting of the road when the penalty period is starting. Isn't the real reason they have this law in place to keep people off the road at 4PM and after. Why not start pulling people over around 4:30 and after when you know they have been on the road a majority of the time after the 4pm deadline has started. Those are the real violators.

@elliott , tysons dude - do you even drive around here? the reason why they do it is because THEY HAVE BIG FUCKING ELECTRONIC SIGNS TELLING YOU TICKETING BEGINS AT 4PM!!!! all up and down 66.

not. rocket. science.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/08/2013 07:49AM by Gordon Blvd.

4:02? Who certified the cop's clock for accuracy?

I told her what time it was.
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Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @elliott , tysons dude - do you even drive around
> here? the reason why they do it is because
> THEY HAVE BIG FUCKING
> ELECTRONIC SIGNS TELLING YOU TICKETING BEGINS AT
> 4PM!!!! all up and down 66.
>
> not. rocket. science.


Hey Gordon------I know you are not working today----again, time to get make your way up from Mom's basement and put the pop tarts in the toaster.

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Elliott Wrote:
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> Why not start pulling people over around 4:30

4:30? Seriously? So HOV starts at 4:00, but we'll let people slide until 4:30. Great idea.

Let's see what other high-quality ideas we can come up with. How about we only mark kids late to school when they get there 30+ minutes after start time?

@Kilton - but officer - I shouldnt get a parking ticket I was only in the fire lane for 5 minutes not 30!

OP's and other idiots logic: it's not rape unless it lasts 30 minutes ;)

Kilton Wrote:
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> Elliott Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why not start pulling people over around 4:30
>
> 4:30? Seriously? So HOV starts at 4:00, but we'll
> let people slide until 4:30. Great idea.
>
> Let's see what other high-quality ideas we can
> come up with. How about we only mark kids late to
> school when they get there 30+ minutes after start
> time?

Ok you got me, man. I just don't get it. I guess there is no logic on here. I am sure you would just be fine with this situation. Apparently you dont understand the concept here, there is no gray with you, only black and white. My guess is you are another of the chronic posters on here (like Gordon Boulevard) who thinks you know everything. My guess is you are another of the growing contingent of online losers. Unlike you guys, i need to get to work.

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> Ok you got me, man. I just don't get it.

Concur. Glad we're in agreement. :-)

Wow, this thread has attracted every bigtime fag poster on FFU (Klinton, GB, 496). Good job OP.

"Wow, this thread has attracted every bigtime fag poster on FFU (Klinton, GB, 496). Good job OP."


Agree, all the big time losers, as you describe above, have come out for this one. If you miss them, they'll be back soon----they always are.

Homo alert Wrote:
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> Wow, this thread has attracted every bigtime fag
> poster on FFU (Klinton, GB, 496). Good job OP.


A quick search on Gordon Blvd and Kilton is all you need to confirm that these two have nothing better to do with their time (including being gainfully employed) than sit on here and tell everyone how smart they are. Where would be without these losers?

"Keep your eye on the sparrow"

When the going gets narrow...


(best tv song ever)

4:00 is 4:00, dipshit. You're an idiot as you've already been told repeatedly.

I've seen it plenty. Judges will usually toss the ticket if the stop occurred before 4:10 and almost always if it is before 4:05. Just show up and explain the situation to the Judge. If you are a repeat offender, however, the ticket will stand.

cause yeah, judges are all flimsy on things like law, they dont take that kinda stuff seriously at all.................

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/going-out-guide/wp/2013/02/04/arlington-county-judge-dismisses-case-against-seoul-food-truck/

no coulda-shoulda-wouldas in law, kiddos - no matter how butthurt you are about it. They cant make laws that dont have EXPLICT definations of stuff (i.e 4PM meaning EXACTLY 4PM or else the law is crap and wont work.

but ok, get all butthurt and mad at me cause I took the time to explain the real world to you - that's cool too - maybe you can tell the judge Gordon Blvd hurt yr feelers and s/he will cut you a break LoLz

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> cause yeah, judges are all flimsy on things like
> law, they dont take that kinda stuff seriously at
> all.................
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/going-out-guid
> e/wp/2013/02/04/arlington-county-judge-dismisses-c
> ase-against-seoul-food-truck/
>
> no coulda-shoulda-wouldas in law, kiddos - no
> matter how butthurt you are about it. They cant
> make laws that dont have EXPLICT definations of
> stuff (i.e 4PM meaning EXACTLY 4PM or else the law
> is crap and wont work.
>
> but ok, get all butthurt and mad at me cause I
> took the time to explain the real world to you -
> that's cool too - maybe you can tell the judge
> Gordon Blvd hurt yr feelers and s/he will cut you
> a break LoLz


I'm not the OP, but pointing out that your a fag and a troll has nothing to do with butthurt. Just a teller of the truth I am.

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> cause yeah, judges are all flimsy on things like
> law, they dont take that kinda stuff seriously at
> all.................
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/going-out-guid
> e/wp/2013/02/04/arlington-county-judge-dismisses-c
> ase-against-seoul-food-truck/
>
> no coulda-shoulda-wouldas in law, kiddos - no
> matter how butthurt you are about it. They cant
> make laws that dont have EXPLICT definations of
> stuff (i.e 4PM meaning EXACTLY 4PM or else the law
> is crap and wont work.
>
> but ok, get all butthurt and mad at me cause I
> took the time to explain the real world to you -
> that's cool too - maybe you can tell the judge
> Gordon Blvd hurt yr feelers and s/he will cut you
> a break LoLz

Get back in the basement Gordo.....people in the real world are trying to work. Maybe you can fold some of your Moms laundry.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
>
> pic unrelated


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so "says " the person who spent REAL LIFE time making up such a personalized pic......................specifically just for me o_0

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> so "says " the person who spent REAL LIFE time
> making up such a personalized
> pic......................specifically just for me
> o_0


so writes the retard that cares enough to spend REAL LIFE coming up with a lame gif to tell us how much he doesn't care


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Back in my early 20's I drove over 25k a year and yes at one point had like 8 pts. on my record for speeding. I went to driving school to get some points taken off and it was very informing.

In the class the first thing the instructor did was have people raise their hands when he described their position; "how many people are here because the just barely didnt stop at a stop sign?; how many here because the light just turned yellow as you were passing through the traffic light?; how many people here because you were just going a few miles an hour over the speed limit?.

Almost every one's hand was up after a few more 'narrow' infractions. He said if you dont like it thats fine but if you keep it up you will be walking not driving. His advise was 'if you didnt see the light turn green assume it is about to turn yellow, take you foot off the gas and approach the light as if it will turn yellow so be prepared to stop. Come to a full, complete stop behind the white line at stop signs etc...

The point is a violation is a violation however close you feel it is. If there was in fact some extraordinary accident you might have a case but accidents in general around here are common place. If you left with 30 min. extra and got caught in this back up you need to leave 45-60 min. early next time or you will be getting more tickets. If you feel its unfair lobby to change the law or appeal but do yourself a favor and start thinking more strategically about your planning and driving.

PS after that class I have had only one violation in over 30 years (used to get one every 18 months)...

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> cause yeah, judges are all flimsy on things like
> law, they dont take that kinda stuff seriously at
> all.................
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/going-out-guid
> e/wp/2013/02/04/arlington-county-judge-dismisses-c
> ase-against-seoul-food-truck/
>
> no coulda-shoulda-wouldas in law, kiddos - no
> matter how butthurt you are about it. They cant
> make laws that dont have EXPLICT definations of
> stuff (i.e 4PM meaning EXACTLY 4PM or else the law
> is crap and wont work.
>
> but ok, get all butthurt and mad at me cause I
> took the time to explain the real world to you -
> that's cool too - maybe you can tell the judge
> Gordon Blvd hurt yr feelers and s/he will cut you
> a break LoLz


I was simply pointing out the "real world" situations that I have seen on numerous occasions. Judges routinely dismiss cases where the offense occurred five minutes after HOV went into effect and the motorist is far enough down the road.

Oh, and the the link you posted refers to a case that was dismissed at the request of prosecuters. If you are going to label your pics "unrelated," you might want to think about doing the same thing to your links. Just sayin....

Laws have explicit terms, but judges, prosecutors, and juries use discretion all the time when applying the law.

This is why I keep donuts in the car. Two donuts easily buys five minutes past 4:00 in my experience.

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Well, I will go to court and happily report what happens.....I am hoping the discretion of the court rules in my favor. Luckily many of you on here are not the judge!

I have been to traffic court a few times in the last seven years. Both times, the judge wasn't cutting any HOV violations any slack.

They don't cut take it easy on the dumbasses driving on the "X" shoulder lanes in I-66 either.

There is simply no excuse. Ignorance is not an excuse. Exit before 4pm, not at your first opportunity after 4pm. Or, I don't know, carpool.

Thanks for helping fund our government via this "stupid tax." I'm glad that there are many HOV violations written every weekday. The smart ones among us have to pay less in taxes.

Violations handed out in this manner are BS and everyone knows it. You have to fight this in court. The people exiting at the end of the road at 4PM are not the ones that are clogging it. The lazy cops are just looking to get there quota the easy way.

RUKidding Wrote:
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> Well, I will go to court and happily report what
> happens.....I am hoping the discretion of the
> court rules in my favor. Luckily many of you on
> here are not the judge!

luky meny of us r not da perp

how do we no u wont lie about da result

HenryVIII Wrote:
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> The people exiting at the end of the road at 4PM are n
> not the ones that are clogging it.

Fully agree! It's the idiots exiting after 4pm -- like, say, at 4:02pm.

No one is defending the rights of legit HOV'ers. I have a Prius and anytime after 4:00 I should expect to be able to have clear exit ramps. But these "only a few minutes over" cheaters clog all the ramps until 4:15p or so.

"All were people getting off after sitting in traffic jam before 4 PM HOV deadline."

I wonder how many times the judge hears this?

I agree with the prior poster: if they have cars lined up on the exit ramp, go to the beltway and stay OFF the exit ramps. Duh.

arlingtondriver Wrote:
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> No one is defending the rights of legit HOV'ers.
> I have a Prius and anytime after 4:00 I should
> expect to be able to have clear exit ramps. But
> these "only a few minutes over" cheaters clog all
> the ramps until 4:15p or so.
>
> "All were people getting off after sitting in
> traffic jam before 4 PM HOV deadline."
>
> I wonder how many times the judge hears this?
>
> I agree with the prior poster: if they have cars
> lined up on the exit ramp, go to the beltway and
> stay OFF the exit ramps. Duh.


Most who live in Arlington and drive a Prius are homo's....just sayin'. And, Prius or not, if you live in this area you should never expect a CLEAR EXIT RAMP?" Did the Prius dealer tell you to expect that when you bought the car? Was that the pivotal moment of the sale? Or did the other homo's in your neighborhood tell you that? I say the OP gets off without a ticket-----and by the way, the HOV lanes are clogged up with way too many homo's driving Prius'

Don't worry Wrote:
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>
>
> I was simply pointing out the "real world"
> situations that I have seen on numerous occasions.
> Judges routinely dismiss cases where the offense
> occurred five minutes after HOV went into effect
> and the motorist is far enough down the road.


doesnt sound like the motorist in this case is "far enough down the road" if he's JUST GETTING OFF THE FREAKING EXITRAMP! Are you even paying attention to the thread?
>
> Oh, and the the link you posted refers to a case
> that was dismissed at the request of prosecuters.
> If you are going to label your pics "unrelated,"
> you might want to think about doing the same thing
> to your links. Just sayin....
>
the link was put in to point out that laws MUST be written with exact instructions (i.e ticketing starting at 4PM sharp). I kinda tried to point that out to you cause you seemed to be having difficulty understanding what $ PM means. Sorry I didnt explain that clearly enough for ya ............

> Laws have explicit terms, but judges, prosecutors,
> and juries use discretion all the time when
> applying the law.

whelp, that may be true................but OP is gonna find out there's not too much discretion in this one LoLz

"doesnt sound like the motorist in this case is "far enough down the road" if he's JUST GETTING OFF THE FREAKING EXITRAMP! Are you even paying attention to the thread?"

Gordon, are you paying attention? OP here.

I was all the way down the road, getting off at Leesburg Pike, last exit. That is one of the main points here.

Hell hath no fury like someone getting a ticket they feel that they don't deserve, despite clearly breaking the law as written.

If you have a problem with it, change the law or don't break it.

Anybody with a commute witnesses several traffic violations daily. Not having every violation yield a ticket doesn't justify doing it. Getting ticketed for a violation while others get away with it is no reason to have it dismissed.

The system, for better or for worse, enforces the laws where it can and when it can. Keep breaking laws and hopefully/eventually you'll get busted. This inconsistent enforcement may appear to be unfair, so feel free to figure out something that works and looks better - or try not to be alone in your car on I-66 westbound inside the beltway after 4pm on weekdays.

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> I was all the way down the road, getting off at
> Leesburg Pike, last exit. That is one of the main
> points here.

Next-to-last. Had you gone down to the beltway after 4p you probably would not have been nabbed, just sayin'.

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> Getting
> ticketed for a violation while others get away
> with it is no reason to have it dismissed.

To OP is so self-righteous, but I highly doubt he's consistent.

I wonder what he'd say if a police officer observed two cars being broken into on the same street at night, one of them the OPs and one of them some other car. Would he conclude the officer should not try to arrest one of them because he can't get to both? Or would he say the officer should yell at one but nab the other even though one of them will not be arrested and charged?

You have nothing to lose by going to court and stating your case.

I think there is a chance you get it dismissed, but the judge could just as easily say that you should have gotten off at the nearest possible exit once you realized you were in traffic and the time was approaching 4:00. I think your only real credible excuse will be that traffic snarled right before the exit so you had no choice but to wait it out.

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> You have nothing to lose by going to court and
> stating your case.
>
> I think there is a chance you get it dismissed,
> but the judge could just as easily say that you
> should have gotten off at the nearest possible
> exit once you realized you were in traffic and the
> time was approaching 4:00. I think your only real
> credible excuse will be that traffic snarled right
> before the exit so you had no choice but to wait
> it out.


Yep, I agree...that and 16 years of commuting with no HOV violations...ever. I will take my chances.

Great seeing the cops out this afternoon ticketing violators along 66 west. They must have had about 10 cars lined up waiting for their tickets. I saw 5 or 6 staked out areas both on the highway and on the exit ramps. Money rolling in today!

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> Great seeing the cops out this afternoon ticketing
> violators along 66 west. They must have had about
> 10 cars lined up waiting for their tickets. I saw
> 5 or 6 staked out areas both on the highway and on
> the exit ramps. Money rolling in today!

That happens all the time. The cops wait at several I-66 eastbound exits inside the beltway. They're practically printing their own money on the side of the road.

I once saw a Prius with VA tags pulled over for an HOV violation because they didn't have the special plates. dumbass.