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Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: Sean ()
Date: December 26, 2012 08:36AM

Living in Fairfax, I would need to drive over 40 miles to Winchester or Fredericksburg to get my Sonic fix. This is unacceptable! Please sign this petition at
http://www.change.org/petitions/sonic-open-restaurants-in-northern-virginia to help Sonic bring a restaurant to Fairfax County. Plus, if someone wants to build a franchise in Northern Virginia, I'm happy to support you!

Thank you,
Sean



Sean's Ramblings
http://seanramblings.blogspot.com

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: DwokkaDwokka ()
Date: December 26, 2012 08:55AM

The dirt's too expensive in FX County. Sonics are not small; big drive-in/through area.

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: Because they... ()
Date: December 26, 2012 08:57AM

The reason for no Sonic's...because they suck.

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: dingdongz ()
Date: December 26, 2012 08:58AM

I can deliver from Sonic to you for $100 delivery fee + tip.

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: developer ()
Date: December 26, 2012 09:12AM

Dwoaka is correct. The cost of the real estate prohibits places like Sonic, Sheetz and WaWa from being profitable.
I have been to one of the Sonic's in Fredericksburg a couple of times and was not impressed with the food quality. It is a great place for fatties to dine as you can sit in your car and they will bring you anything you want even if you just want napkins or ketchup. After you have finished your nasty footlong dog or greasy ass burger with a bucket of onion rings they will bring you a big old ice cream sundae. Only reason you might get out of the car is to go take a dump after eating all that shit.

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: Sonic Boom ()
Date: December 26, 2012 09:21AM

developer Wrote:
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> Dwoaka is correct. The cost of the real estate
> prohibits places like Sonic, Sheetz and WaWa from
> being profitable.
> I have been to one of the Sonic's in
> Fredericksburg a couple of times and was not
> impressed with the food quality. It is a great
> place for fatties to dine as you can sit in your
> car and they will bring you anything you want even
> if you just want napkins or ketchup. After you
> have finished your nasty footlong dog or greasy
> ass burger with a bucket of onion rings they will
> bring you a big old ice cream sundae. Only reason
> you might get out of the car is to go take a dump
> after eating all that shit.

Doubtful that many fatties who pig out at Sonic bother to get out of their car to take a dump.

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: Chipperson ()
Date: December 26, 2012 09:43AM

Wawa is coming to fairfax county soon

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: Expensive Gamble ()
Date: December 26, 2012 09:58AM

According to the Sonic website, you need a site of around 2/3 of an acre to open up a "traditional" Sonic, which is just shy of 30,000 square feet, or a site that is about 150 x 200 feet.

Now, I'm not sure what the rent on 30,000 square feet in your run-of-the-mill shopping center in Fairfax County is, but I'll bet it's a pretty penny. I saw they're offering 1 acre between Bailey's Crossroads and fucking Culmore for $175K per year.

If you want to buy the land outright, there was a site offered up at the Burke Village Center that would have been about the right size. The price was $1M. I would imagine this is probably on the low end of what you'd expect to pay, because the location is kind of shitty.

You need to have at least a $1M net worth and liquidity of $1M to open 2 Sonics, which is the smallest number of stores they will let you open, and I think it'd probably cost you close the high end of their estimate of $710K - $3M.

http://corporate.sonicdrivein.com/Franchise/Faq

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: dingdonz ()
Date: December 26, 2012 10:01AM

You can open in KMart Lowes BabysRUs they have lots of empty land.

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: doot ()
Date: December 26, 2012 10:01AM

"Fairfax County dirt" ain't that expensive.

I would bet that some kind of "no-compete agreement" has been reached between Sonic and unknown parties. Or somebody's got something on somebody or who knows?

One thing is sure, greed is by far the most powerful human trait. Like the guy said, "Follow the money".

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: DwokkaDwokka ()
Date: December 26, 2012 10:06AM

doot Wrote:
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> "Fairfax County dirt" ain't that expensive.
>
> I would bet that some kind of "no-compete
> agreement" has been reached between Sonic and
> unknown parties. Or somebody's got something on
> somebody or who knows?
>
> One thing is sure, greed is by far the most
> powerful human trait. Like the guy said, "Follow
> the money".

Do you find that having NO CLUE makes your days go by more quickly? You can add "commercial real estate development" to the list of things about which you know nothing.

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: Zoning ()
Date: December 26, 2012 10:31AM

Fairfax County Zoning laws prohibit Sonics and other similar establishments from being built.

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: dingdongz ()
Date: December 26, 2012 10:35AM

Sonic Food Truck. Solution.

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: JoeBob ()
Date: December 26, 2012 10:36AM

If I am not mistaken, they have some sort of very subjective and arbitrary method to determine which market areas get a Sonic. Even if they have a few eligible franchisees lined up for this area, they folks at corporate will not give a green like unless they feel like it.

Yes, I know their reasoning is illogical (okay, it's stupid), but I am hoping that they change their ways one day.

I learned about their method of franchising a few years back when I was still living in Los Angeles. There are no Sonics in L.A.; but, the closest one to that area is about 30 miles south east in Anaheim CA (near Disneyland). I know they can do very well in Los Angeles, but they don't think so or realize it.

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: ggggg ()
Date: December 26, 2012 10:58AM

I don't think it has to do with the price of "dirt." There are plenty of vacant spots with large under-used shopping center parking lots. Plenty of retail is being built around the area without major financial backing. The main reason probably is that TV advertising costs would be the same whether you have 1 or 20 restaurants in the area and nobody wants to commit to opening 10-20 restaurants in the area to get the economies of scale needed for TV advertising.

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Sonic comes to a town , helps destroy a small business LoLz
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: December 26, 2012 12:09PM

just a sidenote................

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2006/jun/13/sonic-burritos-will-change-name-to-avoid/

and how do you think all that worked out for the Burrito place?

http://www.yelp.com/biz/ionic-burritos-spokane

gotta love America, right?

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: Virginian ()
Date: December 26, 2012 03:34PM

ggggg Wrote:
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> I don't think it has to do with the price of
> "dirt." There are plenty of vacant spots with
> large under-used shopping center parking lots.
> Plenty of retail is being built around the area
> without major financial backing. The main reason
> probably is that TV advertising costs would be the
> same whether you have 1 or 20 restaurants in the
> area and nobody wants to commit to opening 10-20
> restaurants in the area to get the economies of
> scale needed for TV advertising.


Sonic corporate handles TV advertising nation-wide. This area already has saturation of Sonic TV ads.

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: yomommaisaho ()
Date: December 26, 2012 03:48PM

done just signed

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: gerry c ()
Date: December 26, 2012 03:57PM

Because Fairfax is just too classy to have a Sonic or Checkers. Think of the effect they would have on some swank enclave in Baileys Crossroads.

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: Tough One ()
Date: December 26, 2012 04:04PM

gerry c Wrote:
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> Because Fairfax is just too classy to have a Sonic
> or Checkers. Think of the effect they would have
> on some swank enclave in Baileys Crossroads.


LOL. Those high faluting areas just would have their images ruined, by such a tawdry business.

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: how about ()
Date: December 26, 2012 04:07PM

I can deal with driving to get to Sonic/Steak and Shake (both @ exit 126 on 95s- bear right and steak and shake is right there on the left and a mile down is Sonic)

...but can we bring back CHURCH'S Chicken? KFC has gone WAY downhill over the years, and Popeye's is just too bland/boring for me...even the spicy chicken really has no real spice to it. Bojangles has decent flavor, but it is usually undercooked every time I go (and with the lazy staff in the kitchen, I see why). Roy Rogers chicken is not that great either (WAYYYY too greasy!)

I know there's one @ Ft. Belvoir but I have no pass to get in or know anyone military....

Can I just get some decent fast-food chicken PLEASE?????

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: Nail on the head ()
Date: December 26, 2012 04:08PM

gerry c Wrote:
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> Because Fairfax is just too classy to have a Sonic
> or Checkers. Think of the effect they would have
> on some swank enclave in Baileys Crossroads.


That is really the reason. Even though all the homeland security contracts after 9/11 drew a lot of low-class people into the area, this area is still way too upmarket for sonic or checkers.

If you want to live near a sonic or checkers, you'd need to move to PG County, or some really blue-collar area.

Springfield might have enough low-class, low-taste customers for a Checkers, or anyone down Rt 1.

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: Chomping Away ()
Date: December 26, 2012 04:48PM

There is a CHECKERS on Rt 1. :)

Big Buford and those fries! YUM!

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Date: December 26, 2012 05:23PM

sonic sucks donkey dick

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 26, 2012 07:34PM

Sean Wrote:
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> Living in Fairfax, I would need to drive over 40
> miles to Winchester or Fredericksburg to get my
> Sonic fix. This is unacceptable! Please sign this
> petition at
> http://www.change.org/petitions/sonic-open-restaur
> ants-in-northern-virginia to help Sonic bring a
> restaurant to Fairfax County. Plus, if someone
> wants to build a franchise in Northern Virginia,
> I'm happy to support you!
>
> Thank you,
> Sean
>
>
>
> Sean's Ramblings
> http://seanramblings.blogspot.com





See, this is exactly what is wrong and misguided about online petitions. Do you really think because you create an online petition to put a Sonic somewhere, it will magically cause someone to become a franchisee and set up a restaurant?

It's like those people that create online petitions to end homelessness or stop war, it reeks of naivete.

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: Ruth ()
Date: December 26, 2012 07:53PM

There are no Sonic"s here for the same reason there is no Ruth's Chris in Fredericksburg.

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: dingdongz ()
Date: December 27, 2012 03:26AM

Sean you have too much time on your hands. Then again so do I for reading your posts on your blog for years and here. Your next step should be tv and radio. I do agree this wont get you anywhere. Put your efforts to ending homelessness in Reston or preventing the fiscal cliff.

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: Honey Boo Boo . ()
Date: December 27, 2012 05:27AM

How come they don't have any white tablecloth restaurants in Honey Boo Boo's "neck of the woods"?

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: sonic ()
Date: December 27, 2012 07:48AM

As you may know, Sonic attempts to replicate the 50's Drive-in experience. However, as you also may have noticed, NOVA fast food workers are 100% illegal hispanics.

Of course, like our competitors, we have absolutely no objection to exploiting illegal workers, but have you ever seen a beaner on roller skates? Our faux retro bullshit requires at least a few carhops on skates.

In other words, no skating beaners=NO Sonics in NOVA. Capiche?

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: dingdonz ()
Date: December 27, 2012 09:32AM

Sean can train people to roller skate. He is great with people. Very friendly and nice smile.

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: Gunrunner ()
Date: December 27, 2012 09:51AM

There is a Checkers on 234 in Manassas.Across the street from a small lake.

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: Sean ()
Date: December 27, 2012 09:59AM

Dingdonz - You'll be happy (and I'm sure surprised) to know that this petition didn't take much time to create. Thanks for reading this and my blog over the years.

Thanks to everyone's support, we're up to 2 signatures on the petition! At this rate, there will be a Sonic in Fairfax County by 2087! Keep hope alive!

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Date: December 27, 2012 10:30AM

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: New Yorker ()
Date: December 27, 2012 12:31PM

Nail on the head Wrote:
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> gerry c Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Because Fairfax is just too classy to have a
> Sonic
> > or Checkers. Think of the effect they would
> have
> > on some swank enclave in Baileys Crossroads.
>
>
> That is really the reason. Even though all the
> homeland security contracts after 9/11 drew a lot
> of low-class people into the area, this area is
> still way too upmarket for sonic or checkers.
>
> If you want to live near a sonic or checkers,
> you'd need to move to PG County, or some really
> blue-collar area.
>
> Springfield might have enough low-class, low-taste
> customers for a Checkers, or anyone down Rt 1.


LoL!
Like anyone from NOVA has even the slightest bit of class or taste!

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: BEH ()
Date: December 27, 2012 01:31PM

"If it's not a chain, they show disdain"

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: Tough One ()
Date: December 27, 2012 02:37PM

dingdonz Wrote:
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> Sean can train people to roller skate. He is
> great with people. Very friendly and nice smile.


How does he treat animals? Any undesirable activities that we should know about?

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: dingdonz ()
Date: December 27, 2012 09:16PM

I have not idea about him and animals. Keep it clean. I do knew he has a lot of people here that read his stuff and good discussion. There are people who copy too which is okay too. I think he should run for office because he has good ideas. Who wants to create a survey for that please.

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Re: Why Are There No Sonic Restaurants In Fairfax County?
Posted by: Sean ()
Date: December 28, 2012 11:12AM

We're now up to 7 signatures on the petition. We should all sing "We are the World" together. Let's see if we can get to double-digit signatures! http://www.change.org/petitions/sonic-open-restaurants-in-northern-virginia

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