Boy Left Alone In Vehicle Dies

POSTED: 12:08 pm EDT July 9, 2008
UPDATED: 12:23 pm EDT July 9, 2008


HERNDON, Va. -- A 21-month-old boy died Tuesday after being left in a vehicle unattended, Herndon police said.

Herndon police officers and members of the Fairfax County Fire and Rescue received a report at about 5 p.m. of a child left in a vehicle in the 500 block of Herndon Parkway.

An officer arrived at the scene and discovered a deceased boy, police said.

Investigators said it appears the child was left unattended in a vehicle for an extended period of time.

An autopsy will be conducted this week, authorities said.

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And only a few short weeks ago we had stupid people on here like Native who thought it was too harsh to charge some guy with a felony for locking a child in a car while he went shopping in a Harley dealership.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/100739.html

About a month ago, I was walking into Party City in Fairfax and found a White Honda with Maryland plates parked in the fire lane outside of the store. Hearing a baby screaming and realizing the child was inside the car, I immediately dialed 911. While on the phone with the dispatcher I found that there were in fact 2 babies inside the car (twins, approximate age 14 to 18 months) and that all the doors were locked and there was no one to be found to attend to them. Still providing the dispatcher information for a cop to respond, the mother came out of Party City and realized I was reporting her. She said that they had been asleep and she had left the windows cracked for them!!

When the deadbeat cop finally arrived, he really didn't want to do anything about it. He gave her a flip warning about not parking in the fire lane and not leaving her kids in the car. I was angry that he wasn't willing to ticket her or anything and begged him to tell her what would have happened if she hadn't shown up and he had responded to the scene without her there. He finally relented and told her that it would have become a lot more serious at that point and Child Protective Services would have been called. She barely even got upset. He might have spent a total of 5 minutes there, but I think that is pushing it.

When I finally went in the store, she followed (with kids in tow this time) and picked up her balloon bouquet. The last I saw her she was driving out of the parking lot with the 2 kids in the backseat and the 20+ balloon bouquet stuffed in their faces.

I wish she had been ticketed/arrested/charged.....anything! More than that, I hope she remembers that moment when she reads about this sad story out of Herndon.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/10/AR2008071002629.html?sub=AR

> Chase, who was adopted from Russia three months
> ago, was strapped in a car seat in the back of
> a silver GMC Yukon for much of the day, police said.

How can you forget about a child for the entire day?? Only 3 months after they've completed the adoption process, which is quite lenghty and costly, so it's not like they didn't put much effort in getting this child. Unbelievable...

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> Boy Left Alone In Vehicle Dies
>
> POSTED: 12:08 pm EDT July 9, 2008
> UPDATED: 12:23 pm EDT July 9, 2008
>
>
> HERNDON, Va. -- A 21-month-old boy died Tuesday
> after being left in a vehicle unattended, Herndon
> police said.
>
> Herndon police officers and members of the Fairfax
> County Fire and Rescue received a report at about
> 5 p.m. of a child left in a vehicle in the 500
> block of Herndon Parkway.
>
> An officer arrived at the scene and discovered a
> deceased boy, police said.
>
> Investigators said it appears the child was left
> unattended in a vehicle for an extended period of
> time.
>
> An autopsy will be conducted this week,
> authorities said.

this guy is the king of all jerks, who cares what his sad story is as he frets away in his comfy hospital bed. Where are the PG County wardens when you need them?

GMCYuk Wrote:
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> Where are the PG County wardens when you need them?

umm... in PG County?


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

This will get huge play back in Russia, they are trying to make the foreign adoption process harder.

Outraged Wrote:
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> About a month ago, I was walking into Party City
> in Fairfax and found a White Honda with Maryland
> plates parked in the fire lane outside of the
> store. Hearing a baby screaming and realizing the
> child was inside the car, I immediately dialed
> 911. While on the phone with the dispatcher I
> found that there were in fact 2 babies inside the
> car (twins, approximate age 14 to 18 months) and
> that all the doors were locked and there was no
> one to be found to attend to them. Still
> providing the dispatcher information for a cop to
> respond, the mother came out of Party City and
> realized I was reporting her. She said that they
> had been asleep and she had left the windows
> cracked for them!!
>
> When the deadbeat cop finally arrived, he really
> didn't want to do anything about it. He gave her a
> flip warning about not parking in the fire lane
> and not leaving her kids in the car. I was angry
> that he wasn't willing to ticket her or anything
> and begged him to tell her what would have
> happened if she hadn't shown up and he had
> responded to the scene without her there. He
> finally relented and told her that it would have
> become a lot more serious at that point and Child
> Protective Services would have been called. She
> barely even got upset. He might have spent a
> total of 5 minutes there, but I think that is
> pushing it.
>
> When I finally went in the store, she followed
> (with kids in tow this time) and picked up her
> balloon bouquet. The last I saw her she was
> driving out of the parking lot with the 2 kids in
> the backseat and the 20+ balloon bouquet stuffed
> in their faces.
>
> I wish she had been
> ticketed/arrested/charged.....anything! More than
> that, I hope she remembers that moment when she
> reads about this sad story out of Herndon.

Good for you for calling the cops and I hope this does stop parents who "just rush in" from leaving their kids in the cars.. Since when is anything in this area fast? Even McD's isn't a few seconds..

You self-righteous,sanctimonious cunt! You don't know how long the mother was in the shop, apparently not long. How would have arresting her and having the kids put in child services been better? Stop sticking your nose in other people's business!



About a month ago, I was walking into Party City in Fairfax and found a White Honda with Maryland plates parked in the fire lane outside of the store. Hearing a baby screaming and realizing the child was inside the car, I immediately dialed 911. While on the phone with the dispatcher I found that there were in fact 2 babies inside the car (twins, approximate age 14 to 18 months) and that all the doors were locked and there was no one to be found to attend to them. Still providing the dispatcher information for a cop to respond, the mother came out of Party City and realized I was reporting her. She said that they had been asleep and she had left the windows cracked for them!!

When the deadbeat cop finally arrived, he really didn't want to do anything about it. He gave her a flip warning about not parking in the fire lane and not leaving her kids in the car. I was angry that he wasn't willing to ticket her or anything and begged him to tell her what would have happened if she hadn't shown up and he had responded to the scene without her there. He finally relented and told her that it would have become a lot more serious at that point and Child Protective Services would have been called. She barely even got upset. He might have spent a total of 5 minutes there, but I think that is pushing it.

When I finally went in the store, she followed (with kids in tow this time) and picked up her balloon bouquet. The last I saw her she was driving out of the parking lot with the 2 kids in the backseat and the 20+ balloon bouquet stuffed in their faces.

I wish she had been ticketed/arrested/charged.....anything! More than that, I hope she remembers that moment when she reads about this sad story out of Herndon.

Outraged Wrote:
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> About a month ago, I was walking into Party City
> in Fairfax and found a White Honda with Maryland
> plates parked in the fire lane outside of the
> store. Hearing a baby screaming and realizing the
> child was inside the car, I immediately dialed
> 911. While on the phone with the dispatcher I
> found that there were in fact 2 babies inside the
> car (twins, approximate age 14 to 18 months) and
> that all the doors were locked and there was no
> one to be found to attend to them. Still
> providing the dispatcher information for a cop to
> respond, the mother came out of Party City and
> realized I was reporting her. She said that they
> had been asleep and she had left the windows
> cracked for them!!
>
> When the deadbeat cop finally arrived, he really
> didn't want to do anything about it. He gave her a
> flip warning about not parking in the fire lane
> and not leaving her kids in the car. I was angry
> that he wasn't willing to ticket her or anything
> and begged him to tell her what would have
> happened if she hadn't shown up and he had
> responded to the scene without her there. He
> finally relented and told her that it would have
> become a lot more serious at that point and Child
> Protective Services would have been called. She
> barely even got upset. He might have spent a
> total of 5 minutes there, but I think that is
> pushing it.
>
> When I finally went in the store, she followed
> (with kids in tow this time) and picked up her
> balloon bouquet. The last I saw her she was
> driving out of the parking lot with the 2 kids in
> the backseat and the 20+ balloon bouquet stuffed
> in their faces.
>
> I wish she had been
> ticketed/arrested/charged.....anything! More than
> that, I hope she remembers that moment when she
> reads about this sad story out of Herndon.

I like you

inkahootz Wrote:
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> What, no arrests?

I agree, that's some bullshit. Whoever left that kid in the car should be charged with involuntary manslaughter.

Hey Outraged;
Good for you! Anyone that would leave a kid in a car for any length of time deserves to get a ticket. Same with people who do that to their dogs. That Policeman was derelict in his duties and you should have taken his badge number. The City Police Chief will respond and it goes in their file. Same to be said if they do something you approve or find they have done above the call of duty.

If I go somewhere, I have to plan it out if I am bringing the toddler because I can't do certain things, its a pain, but is the choice I made when me and my wife decided to have children, Its called responsibility.

I never leave him in the car, I don't know what could happen while I am gone - Its just too risky.

And to "Steve Wilhite"; you are an ass. I bet you are childless and should probably stay that way.

inkahootz Wrote:
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> What, no arrests?
>
>
>
>

"Harrison has been charged with manslaughter in his son's death, and faces up to 10 years in prison."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/10/AR2008071002629.html

Of course ,the kid could have been one of those sleeper moles.At 18,the microchip would have kicked in and "Ivan" would have gotten his instructions. BOOM, goodbye Mr.new world trade center

Actually, STEVE WILHITE, the mother admitted she was in the store for at least 15 minutes, of which I was witness to 5. You should know that your calling me a "self-righteous,sanctimonious cunt" will not EVER stop me from doing what I think is right in a situation such as this. I will stick my nose in someone's business whenever and wherever I deem it necessary! In this case, it was about those 2 babies!! Too bad you're so small-minded that you did not realize that before you made your post. IDIOT!

To those of you that had kind words, I thank you. I know I did the right thing.

Apparently I was correct in my assumption that you are a self-righteous, sanctimonious cunt. Bit of a hysterical banshee too aren't you sweetie?

the over-population problem could be solved.

Urashima Taro Wrote:
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> the over-population problem could be solved.<
All our problems would be over if we could make gasoline from dead babies

priapus Wrote:
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> Urashima Taro Wrote:
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> > the over-population problem could be solved.<
> All our problems would be over if we could make
> gasoline from dead babies


too soon

You are right.I'm sorry

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Well, the father was found not guilty. So I guess it's ok to leave your kid in a car on a hot day...

http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8091672&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

See my post about the boy that died and the father was let go. It appears that all the regular posters on here, think that it is completely FINE to leave your kid in the car, its also fine that the father was distracted for 9 hours while the child suffered and i'm viewed as a complete nut case for asking why no-one called the father for 9 hours to see how the drop off went. Thank god there are some real human beings on here, at least in this post that see a problem with this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When will it end Wrote:
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> > Thank god there are some real human beings on here, at least in this post that see a problem with this! < <

Calm down already. This is a case that should have been charged as child neglect which would have resulted in a conviction.

This is not a case of involuntary manslaughter. There was no evidence of
reckless disregard such as selling watered down drugs to cancer patients or putting an allergen in an asmatics inhaler. See the difference.

The prosecutor overcharged and refused to allow Judge Ney to consider a less offense. So she swung for the fences andcame up empty instead of getting the conviction for child neglect. Call up the Commonwealth Atty and complain about the overcharge getting nothing. Sheesh.

When will it end Wrote:
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> See my post about the boy that died and the father
> was let go. It appears that all the regular
> posters on here, think that it is completely FINE
> to leave your kid in the car, its also fine that
> the father was distracted for 9 hours while the
> child suffered and i'm viewed as a complete nut
> case for asking why no-one called the father for 9
> hours to see how the drop off went. Thank god
> there are some real human beings on here, at least
> in this post that see a problem with
> this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Let me guess, your husband is sick of listening to your rant and rave, so you have turned to FU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

honestly. fuck you all. fuck all the moms/dads who say how irresponsible to leave a kid in the car. you think that the guy meant to do it? he wanted to see his kid dead? nah...FUCK YOU. your all idiots. the guy will spend the rest of his life in grief because he killed the son he always wanted? and all you care about is the fact that he spends time in prison thinking about it? i mean jesus christ, chill the fuck out. i hope one of the people that is talking shit about this man ends up leaving their kid in the car....then come here to FU and plead for forgiveness. fuck you all who think that this case went wrong, because honestly it did not at all.

When will it end Wrote:
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> See my post about the boy that died and the father
> was let go. It appears that all the regular
> posters on here, think that it is completely FINE
> to leave your kid in the car, its also fine that
> the father was distracted for 9 hours while the
> child suffered and i'm viewed as a complete nut
> case for asking why no-one called the father for 9
> hours to see how the drop off went. Thank god
> there are some real human beings on here, at least
> in this post that see a problem with
> this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can tell by your absolutism that you probably believe the war in Iraq had something to do with 9/11, and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is being disrespectful of the people who died on 9/11.

Fucking nobody said it was FINE to leave the kid in the car. EVERYONE is saying that charging the father with involuntary manslaughter was vindictive and served no other purpose than to appease vengeful people like you. EVERYONE thinks it is horrible that the kid died. NOBODY is defending the father's actions, they are just a little bit less dramatic and emotionally reactive than you are. That's all.


Holy shit. If anything ever happens to one of your kids, do not expect any sympathy, you hateful bitch. If you want to fry this guy for his mistakes, then you should be willing to accept the same penalty the next time you do something stupid that results in dire consequences for someone else.

check it out. your a baby. your dad leaves you in the car and you die. that blows. but he didnt, instead he brought you out and you live your life and love your dad for all he does for you. but instead the dad made a mistake that will kill him for the rest of your life. do you think you could see your dad doing that and be able to watch him suffer for the loss of someone he really loved? he didnt do it on purpose, he is no CRIMINAL.

I see the haters have decided to come over to this topic now and continue on with they're bashing.
Let me tell you something right now. First I would never be so damn stupid to leave my kid in the car that they would die, and IF I were to EVER do anything that put my child in harms way and they ended up dieing, then I would expect nothing less than to accept anything that was dealt to me. If I had to serve time, then I would, would I beg for forgivness absolutley NOT, it was my mistake that took the childs life. BUT like I said, I would never be so stupid to do such a thing.
I dont even allow my dogs to stay in the car during the winter, spring, summer or fall let alone a child.
You have YOUR opinion and I have mine, do you see my bashing you for your opinion???? NO. I personally believe the guy should serve time and if it was the Attorneys fault that this didnt happen, then the guy should consider himself very very lucky. I hope that he is haunted nightly for the rest of his life.



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I read that story too. What I don't understand is that the dad had a 21 month old toddler in the back seat driving the baby to day car. 21 months old is a child old enough to talk. Yet what does this dad do? He makes 12 to 13 phone calls about work on his cell phone during the drive. Couldn't he have at least talked to his toddler son while they were driving? I mean, any kid needs interraction between parents to thrive, but kid from another country really needs to hear language and words from a parent.

He had also left the child in the car while he got his dry cleaning. I don't know but this dad seems preoccupied and not too smart. I feel terrible that this child had to die in such a way.

Trickie

Trickie makes a very good point. She's a parent and parents know how to parent. This guy wasn't a parent, he just bought a child sort of like going to a store and making a purchase. But this child had no warranty, no return policy, no instructions and no health history, but cost alot for someone who thought they wanted a child. But did he really? No one knows what's involved with raising a child until you've had one, it's no picnic and that's when their yours. But they are a source of true blessings and more then I ever imagined and I thank God for mine everyday.

But heaven forbid if this child had health or personality disorders which it has been said alot of Russian children do and you don't discover until later on, this could be a motive. An adult, who as Trickie pointed out is that self-absorded, could barely handle a normal child, much less one that wasn't. Just a consideration for thought, I have heard of worse happening.

What a sad horrible short life this sweet child lived. Parents should be required to show they are fit for such a job before bringing children into the world.

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Additionally,
For years, our society has promoted institutionalizing our kids and our elderly, all so our generation can be more hedonistic.

Check out the vehicles dropping the little ones off at day care….all new or newer models…..no sacrifice going on in those households.

There will always be a few who must hold down a couple of jobs and utilize day care…..you do what you gotta do to maintain a roof over your head….and a safe place for your family.

But, some people simply shouldn’t have kids. They don’t deserve such a gift.

Posted by: formerhick76
Date: July 11, 2008 11:54AM
>>>> This will get huge play back in Russia, they are trying to make the foreign adoption process harder.



Published this week in a Moscow newspaper:



Russia slams acquittal of U.S. man over Russian-born son's death

MOSCOW, December 18 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's Foreign Ministry condemned on Thursday the acquittal in a U.S. court of Miles Harrison over the death of his adopted Russian-born son, and said it would demand a review of the verdict.

"We are deeply appalled by the verdict of the Fairfax court in the state of Virginia. We consider it to be reprehensible and unprecedented, even if in this case, unlike in several previous cases, it was criminal negligence that led to the tragedy rather than intentionally cruel treatment," the ministry said in a statement.

Harrison, 49, was acquitted on Wednesday of the involuntary manslaughter of his 21-month-old son Chase (born Dmitry Yakolev), who died of heatstroke in July after he was accidentally left for nine hours in a vehicle parked in the sun outside his adoptive father's workplace in Virginia.

"We will demand that U.S. authorities review the extremely unfair ruling. Further cooperation with the United States in adoption will depend on Washington's readiness to take practical steps to ease our concerns," the ministry said.

The statement came after criticism earlier on Thursday by a senior Russian education and social protection official, who said adoption requirements for U.S. nationals would be toughened following the acquittal.

Explaining the ruling, Fairfax County Judge R. Terence Ney said Harrison's conduct did not meet the legal standard for manslaughter, which requires "negligence so gross, wanton and culpable as to show a callous disregard for human life."

"No prison term is going to cause more pain than that which he has already suffered. The only true atonement here can only take place within his heart and soul," the judge said.

Over the last 10 years in the United States there have been approximately 230 fatal cases of parents locking their children in cars on a hot day.

Several calls for tighter controls on adoptions have been made in Russia in recent years over a series of scandals, notably the killing of a 2-year-old girl from Siberia by her adoptive mother in the United States. The woman, Peggy Sue Hilt, was sentenced to 25 years in prison in May 2006 for beating the child to death.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20081218/118935674.html

Maple St Res Wrote:
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> honestly. fuck you all. fuck all the moms/dads who
> say how irresponsible to leave a kid in the car.
> you think that the guy meant to do it? he wanted
> to see his kid dead? nah...FUCK YOU. your all
> idiots.

+1


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

One can certainly see why the Russians would be angry. They prefer to starve people to death in slave labor camps. Leaving them to smother in hot autos is simply bad form.

Now it will be even harder (read - much, much more expensive) to adopt a kid from fmr.Soviet Union, and esp. from Russia. There's a lot of negativety already, and stories like this do not help the case.

Now, for those who think the guy will suffer the rest of his life and it's a punishment enough - how do you know this? He didn't admit any wrongdoing, spent $$ on lawyers to safeguard himself, and probably already laughing at this very moment with "oopsie, that was a close one!"

Price Wrote:
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> Now it will be even harder (read - much, much more
> expensive) to adopt a kid from fmr.Soviet Union,
> and esp. from Russia. There's a lot of negativety
> already, and stories like this do not help the
> case.
>
> Now, for those who think the guy will suffer the
> rest of his life and it's a punishment enough -
> how do you know this? He didn't admit any
> wrongdoing, spent $$ on lawyers to safeguard
> himself, and probably already laughing at this
> very moment with "oopsie, that was a close one!"

Yeah, I'm sure he's sitting at home right now laughing about all the money he spent on lawyers, and how that showed everyone!

The discourse here is a bit troubling. There can be no argument that:

1. Leaving babies or toddlers in a car unsupervised, even for five minutes, is completely without excuse. And only on a message board where people can hide in anonymity can a Steve Wilhite exist - engaging in name calling over a person who actually showed moral fiber and concern over the lives of innocent toddlers. Wilhite, just get out of the penitentiary or some other place that ascribes to a moral code akin to a pack of jackals? Or just a few points short on the IQ meter?

2. Some criminal penalty is due the father who left the kid in the car for 9 hours. It boggles the mind. People care for goldfish better than that.

3. Thomas More's has a point. I assume that there is not an impediment under Virginia criminal procedure to charging a lesser included offense in addition to the higher charge? Strategically, the prosecutor may have avoided doing this because he did not want to give the judge (or a jury if the defendant so opted) the option of a lesser included offense, but there has to be some provision for accountability, which, is not, as Bob is concerned about, vindictiveness.

4. Foreign adoption is unfortunately not the Camelot it is cracked up to be. Read this month's Foreign Policy. Unfortunately, this article posits that very few foreign adoptions involve real orphans. Throw 30 grand at a developing country and quite often what you get is human trafficking. The Russians darn well know this - there angst is likely mere agitprop. See http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4508

Wilhite, just get out of the penitentiary or some other place that ascribes to a moral code akin to a pack of jackals? Or just a few points short on the IQ meter?

Someone this incoherent shouldn't question anyone's IQ

Steve Wilhite Wrote:
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> Wilhite, just get out of the penitentiary or some
> other place that ascribes to a moral code akin to
> a pack of jackals? Or just a few points short on
> the IQ meter?
>
> Someone this incoherent shouldn't question
> anyone's IQ


What these idiots don't get is the concept of intent. The guy DID NOT INTEND TO LEAVE HIS KID IN A HOT CAR! It's not like he intended to leave the kid in the car and go shopping or go to work. He FORGOT the kid was there! The baby was new to his routine. This has happened several times in other parts of the country and in virtually every case no charges were brought or the case was dropped.

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> Steve Wilhite Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Wilhite, just get out of the penitentiary or
> some
> > other place that ascribes to a moral code akin
> to
> > a pack of jackals? Or just a few points short
> on
> > the IQ meter?
> >
> > Someone this incoherent shouldn't question
> > anyone's IQ
>
>
> What these idiots don't get is the concept of
> intent. The guy DID NOT INTEND TO LEAVE HIS KID IN
> A HOT CAR! It's not like he intended to leave the
> kid in the car and go shopping or go to work. He
> FORGOT the kid was there! The baby was new to his
> routine. This has happened several times in other
> parts of the country and in virtually every case
> no charges were brought or the case was dropped.


No, I think these asses would be just as vindictive if someone forgot to replace the smoke detector batteries and someone died as a result of a fire and no warning.

Wahingtonelocian wrote: The baby was new to his routine

Gee more the reason for the mother to call and see how everything went that morning!!!!!

When will it end Wrote:
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> Wahingtonelocian wrote: The baby was new to his
> routine
>
> Gee more the reason for the mother to call and see
> how everything went that morning!!!!!

So why are you not also calling for the mother's head, as well?

Obviously, according to your logic, it's the mother's fault just as much as the father's fault. She failed to do something, too.

When will it end Wrote:
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> Wahingtonelocian wrote: The baby was new to his
> routine
>
> Gee more the reason for the mother to call and see
> how everything went that morning!!!!!


It was a tragic accident. I don't think anyone is saying the guy is a winner. But going after the guy like he is a car jacker or murderer is ridiculous.

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Dieing: A common misspelling of dying that that only dumbasses use.

Bob...
What really irks me about some of you that have bashed my OPINION about this is that you all like to twist and turn my words around and make it your own post. Which I believe is why so much of what I have said is being torn to shreds.

This was a guy that was fairly new to parenting and from what i've read, new to handling the morning routine of dropping off the child. What I dont understand is how a husband and wife go 9 hours without any mention of they're 21 month old son during a daily conversation? I NEVER said that the wife didnt trust her husband and should call to see how the drop off went, like some have said. I never said the phone call specifically had to be about the drop off, also like some have said. This is where all the twisting come in, people making up they're own opinion on what i've said and others feeding off of that.

If I was the one who would normally drop off my child at daycare, but my husband had to do it one morning, and he wasnt really familiar with doing it, I would be curious how it went, I wouldnt purposely call to see how it went, but during what might be one of our daily conversations in 9 hours time, I would have asked how the drop off went. NOT because I didnt trust him, not because I didnt think he was capable of doing it ect... but because I was curious how it went. Not just that, but maybe the child hated daycare and caused a fuss being dropped off and made it difficult to leave. Maybe the kid loved daycare and couldnt wait to get there, either way at some point during 9 hours I would have liked to know if it was a good morning for our child. Nothing more than that, and many of you have just turned my comment into something much more than it was.

Do I blame the mother for not calling and asking about her son? No, because I still dont even know about the mother and her role. Maybe they had a horrible marriage and didnt talk to eachother that often during the day, maybe they had a great marriage and didnt feel the need to call eachother during 9 hours, but I would think that since there is a child involved that they would communicate at some point.

Maybe its easy for some parents to drop of they're child and not think about them for 9 hours. Thats not me and I guess I dont understand those that think that way.

I am simply stating my opinion, which is that I dont feel that the guy should have gotten off so easy, and I get that he didnt do it on purpose and I get that this is an Attorney issue, but the fact is that a child died and there are some things that I just dont understand, such as the no phone calls from the wife for 9 hours, nothing whatsoever jogging this guys memory that he had his son in the back seat for 9 hours. Did he not have photo's of his son in his office? That would have helped maybe to wake him a bit? Was the child asleep the entire ride in the truck? No noise from the child? Someone made a great point, that at 21 months the child is talking at that age, which is why I ask about the noise factor. There are too many unanswered questions, or maybe they've been answered and I just havent read the article that they're in.

So this is my OPINION, just like you have yours. I dont bash you for your opinion, nor do I bash anyone else. I also dont respond to others that have twisted my comments around. If you want to respond or express your opinion then base it off of MY original post, not others.

All this crap on correct spelling and punctuation and cartoon pics being added is all elementary school crap. This is a forum to express your opinion on issues, why do so many of you feel the need to tear apart the poster for expressing they're opinion on something? Its childish and a waste of time.



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When will it end Wrote:
>> This is a forum to express your opinion on issues,

Well thanks for stopping by to instruct all of us what the forum is for, we really appreciate your enlightenment.



>>>> Its childish and a waste of time.

Yeah, and so is claiming to know the regular users so you can threaten them with "I know who you are" nonsense.
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Meeper....
See exactley my point, whats with the sarcasam? Does it really make you feel better to throw some pointless remark in there.

As for my knowing the "regular" user. There is absolutley nothing but truth to my statement. You must be a fool to think that people dont KNOW eachother on here, and hide behind posting id's. I'm sure there are posters on here that that are familiar with you, but you arent aware of it.
Whats funny is while your at work, out and about, hanging out, whatever it may be, that person that is sitting next to you, your co-worker, bestfriend, next door neighbor, just might be one of us on here and you wouldnt know it.
Its a public forum and when you talk about public forums to your buddies ect... they come and visit, create an id and jump in and you dont have a clue.

By the way.... since when is claiming to know someone a Threat?????? Please.



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maybe you shouldnt have left your kid in a car

LOL, gee thanks for coming on here to tell us how things work in real life.

Christ, I can only imagine what your poor husband must have to put up with. I sure hope you're a good cook.



When will it end Wrote:
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> Meeper....
> See exactley my point, whats with the sarcasam?
> Does it really make you feel better to throw some
> pointless remark in there.
>
> As for my knowing the "regular" user. There is
> absolutley nothing but truth to my statement. You
> must be a fool to think that people dont KNOW
> eachother on here, and hide behind posting id's.
> I'm sure there are posters on here that that are
> familiar with you, but you arent aware of it.
> Whats funny is while your at work, out and about,
> hanging out, whatever it may be, that person that
> is sitting next to you, your co-worker,
> bestfriend, next door neighbor, just might be one
> of us on here and you wouldnt know it.
> Its a public forum and when you talk about public
> forums to your buddies ect... they come and visit,
> create an id and jump in and you dont have a
> clue.
>
> By the way.... since when is claiming to know
> someone a Threat?????? Please.

when will it end does not know her, anyway. Anyone who comes on the net and "beats around" such an assertion, is lying, almost 100% of the time. And in this case, looking like a totally childish tool.

I can predict the gist of the response: I do too know her, and what I know is for me to know and you to find out. (this person must have worked in the Bush administration)

Maple St Res Wrote:

> you think that the guy meant to do it? he wanted
> to see his kid dead?

Yes. It's a well-known fact that leaving your child in a hot car (known as "sizzling" your kid--check out the term on urbandictionary.com) is a socially acceptable means of postnatal abortion.

Let's face it, it's impossible to "forget" your kid in a car. Kids are noisy and smelly. You have to drive around with a huge honking car seat and a crapload of supplies in the back. You can't NOT know one is in the car with you.

Every freaking time this happens, the parents get hauled before a judge, there's a bit of a show trial with hand-wringing all around, and then finally the judge issues those magic words: "The parents have suffered enough." If I had a dollar for every time I read a story of some sizzled brat and some weepy parents getting off scott-free I could bail out the auto manufacturers myself.

For all you non-parents, that's code. And the code mean, "OK, we understand you guys couldn't handle the responsibility of kids, and we're gonna let you get away with this one."

Make no mistake: the sizzler is always a conscious, premeditated act, secretly condoned by society.

Howie Feltersnatch Wrote:
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> Maple St Res Wrote:
>
> > you think that the guy meant to do it? he
> wanted
> > to see his kid dead?
>
> Yes. It's a well-known fact that leaving your
> child in a hot car (known as "sizzling" your
> kid--check out the term on urbandictionary.com) is
> a socially acceptable means of postnatal
> abortion.
>
> Let's face it, it's impossible to "forget" your
> kid in a car. Kids are noisy and smelly. You have
> to drive around with a huge honking car seat and a
> crapload of supplies in the back. You can't NOT
> know one is in the car with you.
>
> Every freaking time this happens, the parents get
> hauled before a judge, there's a bit of a show
> trial with hand-wringing all around, and then
> finally the judge issues those magic words: "The
> parents have suffered enough." If I had a dollar
> for every time I read a story of some sizzled brat
> and some weepy parents getting off scott-free I
> could bail out the auto manufacturers myself.
>
> For all you non-parents, that's code. And the code
> mean, "OK, we understand you guys couldn't handle
> the responsibility of kids, and we're gonna let
> you get away with this one."
>
> Make no mistake: the sizzler is always a
> conscious, premeditated act, secretly condoned by
> society.


Yeah, I think they even have a pamphlet at Planned Parenthood with all the information for parents looking to do just that.

Perhaps you were just being funny?

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> I can only imagine what your poor husband
> must have to put up with.

having to wear earplugs in his own home.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Reston... How wrong you are.

Gravis..... thats all you got? Boring.

Meeper... late as usual, someone already beat you to your own comment.

then prove it or shut the fuck up, you coward. I predicted your pussified response pretty accurately.

Reston... WOW... a little on the touchy side tonight are you???? Calm down, take a deep breath and relax. If you like you can even pat yourself on the back. Everyone lets all give Reston a trophy, medal, an award, whatever will make him feel like he did a great job because he predicted a response. Wooohooo.

Yeah. I thought you were a pussy. thanks for taking away your own credibility and ending the argument. now you can go back to responses that a ten year old wrote for you.

I always wonder why people come on like this. You can't even threaten well. Did you even graduate high school?

Yes Graduated and even went to college and what is with the "threaten" word. Threaten what??? Who have I threatened? What are you reading?

So because I wont tell you who I am, it now takes away my credibility? Are you nuts or just plain stupid?

I would never tell you who I am, at least not at this point. I'm having way too much fun seeing two very different sides to your other half. I get a kick out of it, standing in front of her and her not knowing a damn thing. I was shocked at first that she portrays herself on here the way she does, but knowing what she is really like. Then I got over the shock and said, I guess there are two sides to everyone and if this is what she enjoys doing behind a computer, who am I to say anything and stop her? I simply just sit back and laugh about it now, because she has NO clue, and neither do you my friend.



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Get fucking lost already.


When will it end Wrote:
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> Yes Graduated and even went to college and what is
> with the "threaten" word. Threaten what??? Who
> have I threatened? What are you reading?
>
> So because I wont tell you who I am, it now takes
> away my credibility? Are you nuts or just plain
> stupid?
>
> I would never tell you who I am, at least not at
> this point. I'm having way too much fun seeing
> two very different sides to your other half. I get
> a kick out of it, standing in front of her and her
> not knowing a damn thing. I was shocked at first
> that she portrays herself on here the way she
> does, but knowing what she is really like. Then I
> got over the shock and said, I guess there are two
> sides to everyone and if this is what she enjoys
> doing behind a computer, who am I to say anything
> and stop her? I simply just sit back and laugh
> about it now, because she has NO clue, and neither
> do you my friend.

Meeper..... I dont think I was talking to you, but you seem to always want to stick your nose in responses that are not directed at you, always gotta get your two cents in. Thanks, but I think i'll stay.

Every few months some weirdo n00b shows up on the board and makes creepy "I know you are" threats toward the folks that hang out here, and since you decide to post that kinda crap in a public forum, I can make it my business and respond however I like.


When will it end Wrote:
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> Meeper..... I dont think I was talking to you, but
> you seem to always want to stick your nose in
> responses that are not directed at you, always
> gotta get your two cents in. Thanks, but I think
> i'll stay.

" I would never tell you who I am, at least not at this point."

Ve have vays of making you talk....