Dogwood Elementery is one of the County's worst schools. Sadly, I believe that the color of your skin and your economic level greatly affects the way you and your children are treated at this school. If you are diligent in monitoring what you are told about what is, or will happen in the school and classroom vs. what actually does happen in the school and classroom you may find what I found--a large discrepancy. Some infractions are minor while others are major and can have a negative impact on not only your child's education but on his or her self esteem. For those who will disagree with me that is fine, and of course it's your prerogative. All I'm suggesting is that you monitor your child's experience at Dogwood very carefully and this includes making unscheduled and unexpected visits to the school. Listen and learn. I sincerely hope that your experience is different from mine. Just because a staff member or part of the administration smiles politely at you and tells you what they believe you want to hear does not mean that your child will be treated well.

This is a bad school and the money is low. I wouldn't recommend this school. The teachers are nice but the school isn't that great

Wow. The more things change, the more they stay the same. I went there many years ago and the place was a dump then. It is in a VERY economically - interesting- area and , as a white boy, I was not necessarily made to feel at home. Walking past those shitty apartments to the left of the school was a nightmare. I remember, in first grade, seeing one of my classmates physically fighting the principal. He damn near won too, but I think he was like 10 and in the first grade. After a while, my parents had an epiphany and realized a harsh reality- if you live in a poorer area, expect bad teachers, lackluster admins, and to get shortchanged when it comes to renovations. Luckily, my parents got me the hell out of there. A fire nearly gutted that hellhole a while back- too bad it didn't.

Dogwood ES
Principal was hired in July and they alredly have an Interm Principal

cohol, Tobacco, And Other Drug Offenses 0 1 0
Disorderly Or Disruptive Behavior Offenses 17 13 11
Offenses Against Staff 0 0 0
Offenses Against Student 0 1 0
Other Offenses Against Persons 4 6 7
Property Offenses 0 1 1
Technology Offenses 1 3 0
Weapons Offenses 0 0 0
All Other Offenses 0 3 0

Schools Official Assails 'Gay Lifestyle'
Fairfax Letter Urges Revisions to Teaching

By Maria Glod
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 3, 2005; Page B01

A Fairfax County School Board member has sent letters to the district's 24 high school principals urging them to ensure that students hear the views of people who believe that homosexuality is a choice and a "very destructive lifestyle."

In a Jan. 30 letter, Stephen M. Hunt (At Large) asked the principals to host speakers with an "ex-gay perspective" and offer students, teachers and counselors literature provided by the conservative group Concerned Women for America and other organizations.

Stephen Hunt wants students to hear that sexuality is a choice. (Courtesy of Stephen Hunt)

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"Children are being taught that homosexuality is normal and natural. It is neither," Hunt wrote. "To state that it is normal or natural is to promote the myth that accompanies the homosexual activist rhetoric."

Hunt's letter, which was not reviewed by other members of the 12-person board before it was sent, sparked sharp rebukes from some other board members and Superintendent Jack D. Dale.

Several board members said that although the letter was on private stationery, it was inappropriate because principals may have believed it was endorsed by the board. "By signing his name as a School Board member, it calls into question whether he is speaking on behalf of the board, and he is not," board member Jane K. Strauss (Dranesville) said.

Dale said he has written the principals to let them know Hunt's view is not sanctioned by the board or administration. "I very much regret that our principals received this letter, which is not representative of the School Board's views," Dale said in a prepared statement. "We want our schools to be seen as welcoming places for all individuals."

The role of schools in teaching about sexual orientation is among the most contentious topics that come before school boards. In 2002, a Fairfax couple who asked for removal of several books in school libraries and reading lists cited references to gay sex among their objections. And in 2001, the School Board heard from conservative groups and gay rights activists as it considered giving anti-discrimination protection to homosexuals.

Hunt said yesterday that he is concerned that students who do not support homosexuality may be afraid to speak up in school or labeled as intolerant. Hunt said he is not seeking to ban material or programs in place but believes that other information should be included.

Hunt said his letter specifically notes that students should respect the rights of gay peers. "If a person does choose a gay lifestyle, we should respect their freedom, their safety and their choice," he said.

But in the letter Hunt said students often are exposed to the "Will and Grace version of homosexuality." He contended in the letter that gays often suffer drug and alcohol abuse or physical abuse and that gay men don't live as long as heterosexual counterparts. "There are huge ramifications for people who may make a choice to go into that lifestyle, and we should make sure they are fully aware of the entire issue," Hunt said in an interview.

Kelly Schlageter, a founding member of Equality Fairfax, an advocacy group for gays and others, rebutted Hunt's contention that sexual orientation is a choice and disagreed that problems, including drug and alcohol abuse, are often part of a gay lifestyle. She said she worries that Hunt's views may send a message to students that it is wrong to be gay.

Tamara Ballou, the school district's former family life education coordinator, said students in two classes -- ninth-grade biology and 10th-grade personal and community health -- hear lessons about sexual orientation. She said letters describing the topics, including homosexuality, are sent to parents, who can have their child removed from that class. The materials taught are available for parents to review.

As part of the Fairfax policy, teachers are to tell students that "the reason for same sex attraction is unknown," according to the lesson plan. "Although individuals choose their sexual behavior, people do not choose their sexual orientation," the document states.

Lynn Terhar, president of the Fairfax County Council of PTAs, said that she's satisfied with the way sexual orientation is handled in the schools and that she hasn't heard concerns from parents. "In my personal opinion, his comments strike me as those coming from a religious point of view," Terhar said. "I don't believe there is any place for that in the Fairfax County school system."

I wish the County would realize they can't just throw money at the problem. Because the school has been so bad it gets a lot of funding, free lunches, free after school programs. If the problem is the student body, the best chance for those kids is to ship them to other schools and make this one a magnet school. You can have the best intentions and funding, but until the makeup of the student body changes, it's going to be a bad school.

Dagwood Wrote:
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> Dogwood Elementery is one of the County's worst
> schools. Sadly, I believe that the color of your
> skin and your economic level greatly affects the
> way you and your children are treated at this
> school. If you are diligent in monitoring what you
> are told about what is, or will happen in the
> school and classroom vs. what actually does happen
> in the school and classroom you may find what I
> found--a large discrepancy. Some infractions are
> minor while others are major and can have a
> negative impact on not only your child's education
> but on his or her self esteem. For those who will
> disagree with me that is fine, and of course it's
> your prerogative. All I'm suggesting is that you
> monitor your child's experience at Dogwood very
> carefully and this includes making unscheduled and
> unexpected visits to the school. Listen and learn.
> I sincerely hope that your experience is different
> from mine. Just because a staff member or part of
> the administration smiles politely at you and
> tells you what they believe you want to hear does
> not mean that your child will be treated well.


If you are holding back on any impropriety, that is not cool at all, and if you do actually have something that affects children, you should be bringing in up somewhere other than the underground. No offense to the underground, but its generally not going to affect change if this is the case.

Didn't it burn to the ground in 2000?

Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> Didn't it burn to the ground in 2000?


It did. They would have been better off dispering the kids and turning the area into a park.

Doggywood Wrote:
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> Justataxpayer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Didn't it burn to the ground in 2000?
>
>
> It did. They would have been better off dispering
> the kids and turning the area into a park.


The school Fairfax forgot. Horrible place. Never should have been rebuilt.

You are there every day to make that assessment? What makes it so horrible?
Do tell.

TaxingPayer Wrote:
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> You are there every day to make that assessment?
> What makes it so horrible?
> Do tell.


I am only there twice a day every day of the week. Once to drop off my kids, the second time to pick them up. Sometimes I am there on Saturdays to help my kids with a school function. So yes, I am there everyday of the work week and sometimes on the weekend.

What makes it so terrible? Apathetic Teachers, dirty classrooms and restrooms. If I could afford to move or put my kids in a private school, I would, but as of now I cannot.

Are all the teachers apathetic there?

TaxingPayer Wrote:
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> Are all the teachers apathetic there?


the ones I deal with, yes.

My son went there before the fire and it was not too bad. It was dated, even then, and the teachers were ok, but I never felt they were giving my son the best education they could.

I was just wondering if Dogwood was taking more than it's share of criticism for issues that are prevalent throughout the county and/or at other schools of the same enrollment demographic.

I like to think that criticism of Dogwood stems from parents being more involved in their children's education and, therefore, being more vocal about shortcomings.

"Being more vocal about shortcomings"? Do you think any shortcomings are addressed by the FCPS Administration? Do you think any parent complaint about a teacher, the curriculum or other students gets addressed? The answer would be no, they don't.

Restonite Wrote:
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> "Being more vocal about shortcomings"? Do you
> think any shortcomings are addressed by the FCPS
> Administration? Do you think any parent complaint
> about a teacher, the curriculum or other students
> gets addressed? The answer would be no, they
> don't.


This could be said for 90% of the schools in Fairfax. Heck, maybe even 100%. Dogwood is one of many bad schools in the County.

Complaints don't get addressed? At all?? 90% of schools in Fairfax? 100%??
Inaccurate statistics to be sure.

However, I'd be willing to bet that the ridiculous complaints on this forum aren't addressed as readily as serious issues...and I have no problem with that.

FCPSComplaintDept Wrote:
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> Complaints don't get addressed? At all?? 90% of
> schools in Fairfax? 100%??
> Inaccurate statistics to be sure.
>
> However, I'd be willing to bet that the ridiculous
> complaints on this forum aren't addressed as
> readily as serious issues...and I have no problem
> with that.


what's your definition of a serious issue over a rididulous complaint?

Good point. What you may perceive to be a ridiculous complaint, "my child is being picked on by other kids", could be a serious issue on many levels.

FCPSComplaintDept Wrote:
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> Complaints don't get addressed? At all?? 90% of
> schools in Fairfax? 100%??
> Inaccurate statistics to be sure.
>
> However, I'd be willing to bet that the ridiculous
> complaints on this forum aren't addressed as
> readily as serious issues...and I have no problem
> with that.


Obvious Troll is obvious. This is some schmuck who doesn't care about figuring out what is a serious problem vs something they perceive as ridiculous. You must work for FCPS.

This is not actually true. They ATTEMPTED to hire a principal in July, but could not find one they liked, so they hired an interim instead.

You seem to be saying that a new permanent principal was hired in July and has already left. Nothing could be further from the truth.

This post is patently untrue.
They did NOT hire a principal in July and then replace him/her with an interim.

They didn't hire a principal in the first place - the interim is filling in for the one who retired last year.

Where does 90% and 100% come from? Over what period of time? Is that number based solely on personal experience or are those numbers based on EVERY complaint FCPS has received countywide or by individual school? Is that number based on individual complaints regarding textbooks, or lunch programs, or bullying, or classroom management, or buses, or grounds, or facilities, or security, or school administration...etc, etc. Are these complaints meant to call attention to issues that, when addressed, would benefit ONE student or ALL students?

What are some solutions?

Hire a permanent principal for a start.

Remember?
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muchneeded Wrote:
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> Remember?


Wow, harsh, but yeh, probably should have either tore it all the way down, or completely rebuilt.

Did the school recently burn down?

yes but it's still open. they teach the local tribe of silverbacks while sitting on piles of bricks. the soot doesn't bother them and doesn't really show much on their skin.

Z3R0 Wrote:
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> yes but it's still open. they teach the local
> tribe of silverbacks while sitting on piles of
> bricks. the soot doesn't bother them and doesn't
> really show much on their skin.


this one seems a bit harsh....a bit, not a lot.

Z3R0 Wrote:
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> yes but it's still open. they teach the local
> tribe of silverbacks while sitting on piles of
> bricks. the soot doesn't bother them and doesn't
> really show much on their skin.


I hope the teachers all got their shots along with that big pay raise.

Is this really the worst school in the county? What do you think classifies a school "the worst"? There has to be a list like that somewhere.

I'm Curious wrote:
>Is this really the worst school in the county? What do you think classifies a >school "the worst"? There has to be a list like that somewhere.


What makes a school the "worst"? That's a good question that has been asked before on this forum in other threads. Is it the Admin team? Teaching staff? Facilities? Demographics? Suspension rates? Testing scores? How are the statistics ranked?

"Worst" is subjective until an actual list of criteria and statistics is produced.
People bad mouthing a school just because they have an axe to grind does not mean a school is, in actuality, "worst".

My work takes me into many FCPS.
A good principal and make a school great.
A lousy principal will make a great school lousy.
It runs from top down. Doesn't happen overnight, but it happens.

Sorry, that should be:
A good principal can make a school great.

bd05 Wrote:
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> My work takes me into many FCPS.
> A good principal and make a school great.
> A lousy principal will make a great school lousy.
> It runs from top down. Doesn't happen overnight,
> but it happens.


Sounds good, but I want fact and figures

Following this logic Dogwood doesn't have a leader, they have a temp. Does that mean they don't have good leadership?

most of the kids attending this school will end up in the criminal justice system because both parents are working low pay jobs just to survive and don't have time to raise their kids. the kids that do have at least one parent that is spending time with them will do ok in life. the point is that it's government fraud at all levels that puts these kids at risk. both parents have to work until may just to pay their taxes. if liberals don't get honest and i suspect they won't you can kiss your children's future goodbye no matter what school they go to.

The county must use a ratings systm of some sort. Is it based on standardized tests, overall grades, budget spent, or somethng else?

Dude, most of the kids are from the hood and their parents don't speak english and/or are too dumb to help with homework. I feel bad for the teachers.

Ghett-ho Wrote:
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> Dude, most of the kids are from the hood and their
> parents don't speak english and/or are too dumb to
> help with homework. I feel bad for the teachers.


What's the demographics of this school? It's in Reston, right?

I can't believe how many racist people there are in Ffx Cty!?! You guys need to get a life and stop spreading so many hateful words. How about channeling some of that energy and go for a jog.

SpartanBBMom Wrote:
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> I can't believe how many racist people there are
> in Ffx Cty!?! You guys need to get a life and
> stop spreading so many hateful words. How about
> channeling some of that energy and go for a jog.


I think it has everything to do with self esteem. I was raised not to judge by skin color, by my father. A black man. 100% soul brother and from all places, Mississippi. Is what it is. I am pretty sure that the racist ones on here, are all pretty tough on the eyes. Probably have more shit with them. Maybe wet the bed. Poop stains in the drawls. Man boobs. Chicks with hairy tits. For someone to act and be THAT fucked up. You have to be, THAT fucked up.

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Archie Wrote:
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> if you live in a poorer area, expect bad teachers, lackluster
> admins, and to get shortchanged when it comes to renovations.

I don't know about that. West Springfield High School is the oldest high school in the county that hasn't undergone a major renovation and it's hardly the poorest area of the county.

So does this Dogwood have a good rating, a bad rating, or are people just complaining to complain?

Logwood Wrote:
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> So does this Dogwood have a good rating, a bad
> rating, or are people just complaining to
> complain?


Hard to say what is good or bad when you can't define it. For a school like this with younger kids, what makes it a bad school?

2 Principals ago the kids were allowed to roam the halls and that Principal was letting old man kidtoucher in. It was getting better with the last one.

They used to let a kid toucher into the school? Are you serious?

Principal Skinner Wrote:
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> They used to let a kid toucher into the school?
> Are you serious?


This whole thing was blown WAY out of proportion. T

Principal Skinner Wrote:
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> They used to let a kid toucher into the school?
> Are you serious?


yep back in 2006. it was on the news

yep Wrote:
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> Principal Skinner Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > They used to let a kid toucher into the school?
>
> > Are you serious?
>
>
> yep back in 2006. it was on the news


So what happened to the kid toucher, is he still at the school?

Newsie Wrote:
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> yep Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Principal Skinner Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > They used to let a kid toucher into the
> school?
> >
> > > Are you serious?
> >
> >
> > yep back in 2006. it was on the news
>
>
> So what happened to the kid toucher, is he still
> at the school?


I hope not.

Concerned Dogwood Parent Wrote:
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> Newsie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > yep Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Principal Skinner Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > They used to let a kid toucher into the
> > school?
> > >
> > > > Are you serious?
> > >
> > >
> > > yep back in 2006. it was on the news
> >
> >
> > So what happened to the kid toucher, is he
> still
> > at the school?
>
>
> I hope not.


Don't get your hopes up, it's not like we keep up on those sorts of things.

Wow, no other FCPS has two threads named after them, way to go Dogwood!

They are still looking for someone to be the principal

APPLY FOR PRINCIPAL Wrote:
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> They are still looking for someone to be the
> principal


Apparently not even the adults want to go there. I wonder who they'll stick out there, it's like Siberia.

Would you want to work there?

How long since they have had a real Principal at this school? Can't FCPS find SOMEONE to promote into the position? Isn't the Assistant Principal good enough to take over full time?

I grew up with a lot of people who went to Dogwood and they turned out just fine... even with both parents working. I even grew up with people from Sunrise Valley and Terraset that turned out just fine.... with both parents working. That is some ignorant shit to sasy they will end up criminals if the parents work and don't have time to spend with their kids!

Prinzipal Wrote:
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> How long since they have had a real Principal at
> this school? Can't FCPS find SOMEONE to promote
> into the position? Isn't the Assistant Principal
> good enough to take over full time?


No, FCPS can't. They don't have the qualified people and don't trust those they have on staff. Pretty sad.

Principally Speaking Wrote:


>No, FCPS can't. They don't have the qualified people and don't trust those they >have on staff. Pretty sad.

And you base this OPINION on what? What FACTS do you have to bring to the table to verify this claim?

I work for FCPS and can say this is indeed true. Very few qualified people are promoted into higher spots. There is interest in getting "outside" people into many of these senior spots, but many people can't afford to live here and work at the salary FCPS wants to pay. It's a sad Catch-22 that just goes around in circles. The County could easily put one of the many qualified, dedicated people it has on staff now into that position permanently, but chooses not to.

I base this OPINION on the FACT I have been with FCPS for 14 years.

RumorMonger Wrote:
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> Principally Speaking Wrote:
>
>
> >No, FCPS can't. They don't have the qualified
> people and don't trust those they >have on staff.
> Pretty sad.
>
> And you base this OPINION on what? What FACTS do
> you have to bring to the table to verify this
> claim?

The funny thing about regret is that it's better to regret something you have done than to regret something you haven't done. And by the way, if you see your mom this weekend, will you be sure and tell her...aw, you know the rest

the sol scores a re high

RumoredMonger wrote:
>I work for FCPS and can say this is indeed true. Very few qualified people are >promoted into higher spots. There is interest in getting "outside" people into >many of these senior spots, but many people can't afford to live here and work at >the salary FCPS wants to pay. It's a sad Catch-22 that just goes around in >circles. The County could easily put one of the many qualified, dedicated people >it has on staff now into that position permanently, but chooses not to.

>I base this OPINION on the FACT I have been with FCPS for 14 years.



1. Your "facts" speaks globally about FCPS. Whats facts do you have pertaining to Dogwood specifically?
2. There is a process in place for promoting/moving administrators (Principals). They are not just "put" into permanent Administration positions because they are "dedicated people".

It's not as easy as everyone wants to think.

RumorMonger Wrote:
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> RumoredMonger wrote:
> >I work for FCPS and can say this is indeed true.
> Very few qualified people are >promoted into
> higher spots. There is interest in getting
> "outside" people into >many of these senior spots,
> but many people can't afford to live here and work
> at >the salary FCPS wants to pay. It's a sad
> Catch-22 that just goes around in >circles. The
> County could easily put one of the many qualified,
> dedicated people >it has on staff now into that
> position permanently, but chooses not to.
>
> >I base this OPINION on the FACT I have been with
> FCPS for 14 years.
>
>
>
> 1. Your "facts" speaks globally about FCPS. Whats
> facts do you have pertaining to Dogwood
> specifically?
> 2. There is a process in place for
> promoting/moving administrators (Principals).
> They are not just "put" into permanent
> Administration positions because they are
> "dedicated people".
>
> It's not as easy as everyone wants to think.

I never said I was talking about Dogwood, you made that assumption on your own. Dogwood is not well regarded within the FCPS system, but overall, very few people are promoted to higher spots within the system. It's a global statement I stand behind and the fact is, it is true.

Here's a FACT and not an OPINION. Dogwood has no permanant principal in place. It has not had one for some time. This is a FACT.

Here's another FACT: the name of Dogwood Elementary will be OFFICIALLY changed to Dogshit Elementary. This is also a FACT.

Dogwoody Wrote:
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> Here's another FACT: the name of Dogwood
> Elementary will be OFFICIALLY changed to Dogshit
> Elementary. This is also a FACT.


oooooohhh, you're going to make RumorMonger mad! Watch out! In their OPINION this is not a FACT. The FACT is they are an asshole.

Not many people are promoted within the system? Are we sure about that?
Many promotions require a person to vacate a position thereby opening a position into which someone can be promoted. There is an ebb and flow to that within the system.

The high school Social Studies/History Specialist (a central office position) retired last year. The replacement has never worked within FCPS. This is a FACT and not an OPINION. I think there are examples of others. I am highly skeptical of anyone who says that nobody from the inside was qualified for this job.

Here's another example: Nobody from within the County hsa been promoted to the Dogwood Principal job, that is a FACT. It's been over a year and you mean there are NO qualified people within the county?

Another another example: Dogwood = Dogshit, everyone knows, nobody cares, that is a FACT. Eventually some clueless derp will become Principal yet still NOBODY cares, 'cept maybe YOU!

Another another example Wrote:
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> Another another example: Dogwood = Dogshit,
> everyone knows, nobody cares, that is a FACT.
> Eventually some clueless derp will become
> Principal yet still NOBODY cares, 'cept maybe YOU!


Not even a new principal will care, FACT.

Another Example wrote:
>Here's another example: Nobody from within the County hsa been promoted to the >Dogwood Principal job, that is a FACT. It's been over a year and you mean there are >NO qualified people within the county?

It has not been over a year. Get your FACT's right. And furthermore, get your other facts right before you post. I guarantee you don't have all the information to make the comments you are posting.

FACTS checker Wrote:
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> Another Example wrote:
> >Here's another example: Nobody from within the
> County hsa been promoted to the >Dogwood Principal
> job, that is a FACT. It's been over a year and you
> mean there are >NO qualified people within the
> county?
>
> It has not been over a year. Get your FACT's
> right. And furthermore, get your other facts right
> before you post. I guarantee you don't have all
> the information to make the comments you are
> posting.


So you can just bust in and say it's not been a year with no fact to back yourself up? Why should you be believed?

The fact is it has been TWO years with no principal, because I say so.

FACTS checker Wrote:
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> Another Example wrote:
> >Here's another example: Nobody from within the
> County hsa been promoted to the >Dogwood Principal
> job, that is a FACT. It's been over a year and you
> mean there are >NO qualified people within the
> county?
>
> It has not been over a year. Get your FACT's
> right. And furthermore, get your other facts right
> before you post. I guarantee you don't have all
> the information to make the comments you are
> posting.


You get on a messageboard and accuse someone of not having their facts straight yet you offer no facts to back up your claim, typical. Go back under your rock and come back out when you can provide dates and names and timeframes. Otherwise, shut up and stay away from the keyboard.

Here's a FACT: A FACT is a piece of information presented as having objective reality. It originates from the Latin word "factum" and the first know use is from the 15th century, and yes this is also a FACT. The original sense was 'an act or feat,' later 'bad deed, a crime,' surviving in the phrase before (or after) the fact. The earliest of the current senses ( 'truth, reality') dates from the late 16th century, which is yet another FACT.

all that factually matters Wrote:
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> Here's a FACT: A FACT is a piece of information
> presented as having objective reality. It
> originates from the Latin word "factum" and the
> first know use is from the 15th century, and yes
> this is also a FACT. The original sense was 'an
> act or feat,' later 'bad deed, a crime,' surviving
> in the phrase before (or after) the fact. The
> earliest of the current senses ( 'truth, reality')
> dates from the late 16th century, which is yet
> another FACT.


You obviously did not attend Dogwood

SOL SCORES ARE NOT THAT VBAD

fcpss Wrote:
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> SOL SCORES ARE NOT THAT VBAD

Go suck dick

Many of the posts on this thread were copied from here: http://www.greatschools.org/virginia/reston/473-Dogwood-Elementary-School/?tab=reviews