That's an interesting coincidence.

VA state police sex offenders registry says works at dunkin doughnuts WANTED
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/1018274.html

Hmmmmmmmm Wrote:
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> That's an interesting coincidence.
>
> VA state police sex offenders registry says works
> at dunkin doughnuts WANTED
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/101
> 8274.html


You are a Fucking Dumb Ass.

Many of the posters here just simply do not understand who is eligible for burial at Arlington National Cemetery. It has never been reserved for "heroes" or veterans of wars only. The man who established this military cemetery, BG Meigs is buried there along with his father, wife and son. He was the first commander of Arlington House. If you have served honorably in the armed forces or were honorably discharged, you are eligible for burial there. The spouse, widow or widower, minor child and, at the discretion of the Secretary of the Army, unmarried adult child of anyone on Active duty is eligible to be buried there.

So those of you spouting venom about Bryan being buried at Arlington National Cemetery - get off your soap box. You are simply wrong.

I never served a day at war other than the cold war and I'm eligible for burial there. My Uncle served in Korea for one tour but died many years later as a civilian. He is buried there. In turn, my spouse and children are eligible to be buried with me.

Brayn's father would fight and die to preserve your freedom of speech. The least thing you could do to honor him is to shut up about his dear son being buried in a national military cemetery where he has every right to be laid to rest.

VA Resident/Veteran Wrote:
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>
> Brayn's father would fight and die to preserve
> your freedom of speech. The least thing you could
> do to honor him is to shut up about his dear son
> being buried in a national military cemetery where
> he has every right to be laid to rest.


This is correct. i rescind my comments about Arlington out of respect for the father. I still have no respect for the kid or the media but the family doesnt deserve negative attention.

-thinkbox out.

Army family with 2 Woodson Teens Wrote:
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> Some facts:
>
> The searcher who found Bryan's body is my friend.
> She does NOT believe it was a suicide. The public
> may never know the cause of Bryan's death, because
> I'm pretty sure toxicology reports are private
> matters.
>
> There were, however two deaths by suicide from
> Bryan's school in the previous 20 months and the
> Washington Post irresponsibly said suicide was the
> likely cause of Bryan's death. The WaPo article
> even went against best practices recommendations
> for how journalists should report on suspected
> suicides in teens - you should NEVER list the
> method.
>
> 35 % of teens are depressed in Fairfax County.
> The suicide rate is no higher than that in the
> nation. However, no one is measuring military
> teen suicides. That will soon be fixed thorough
> the Department of Defense. Suicide in Army
> soldiers between 18-43 is way above the national
> average - and only one third of them have been to
> war themselves. The Army is leading the nation in
> research and even weeks ago "stood down" the Army
> for an entire day of Suicide Prevention and
> Awareness training. I'm proud of the Army
> Leadership's response and how they play their
> cards facing out on this issue. There is NO SHAME
> in mental illness. The experts believe it is a
> generational thing - a problem facing our entire
> nation.
>
> Military families have definitely been under
> enormous stress with the military member at war
> for the past 10 years. Please don't disrespect
> the military families by saying they are overly
> "strict" or putting undue pressure on their kids.
> I know this first hand - kids put pressures on
> THEMSELVES to live up to the expectations of their
> environment. That environment is created by well
> meaning schools, teachers, coaches, clergy, peers,
> and yes parents but it does take a village to
> raise a child. My kids spend more waking hours of
> the days with their teachers and coaches. They
> are who they are today partly due to the effect
> their awesome teachers and coaches have had on
> them. It is worthwhile to explore what our kids
> feel and to get them to talk about it openly.
>
> Let's get mental illness "Out of the Darkness" and
> let's "Send the Silence Packing"
>
> In the case of dear beloved Bryan Glenn - let him
> rest in peace. When/if Mike and Rosella are
> ready, they may tell his story so as to prevent
> whatever it was - whatever circumstances led to
> his fatality - from happening to another teen.
> They need time and privacy to grieve.
>
> But in the meantime if you are a Woodson alumna or
> have a kid there,,. please consider asking the
> Principal, Jeff Yost what he is doing to create an
> environment there where kids feel safe to ask
> questions, reveal their innermost shame, ask for
> help, report on a friend they are concerned about,
> etc.
>
> I'm not saying he hasn't done this, but he hasn't
> returned my personal offer to fund a Fairfax
> County Government Program that works in the school
> through local non-profits.
>
> I'd love to see Woodson incorporate some positive
> events into it's fabric regarding Teen Mental
> Wellness. Look at what is being done at TJ,
> McLean, Langley, Madisson and South Lakes:
>
> http://joshafoundation.org/news-events/
>
> Woodson took down a memorial the students erected
> for Bryan - flowers, personal notes, stuffed
> animals, his favorite candy...
>
> The Dance Team wanted to give Bryan's family the
> money they raised shortly after Bryan's death was
> reported. Nixed by Woodson Staff.
>
> The football team went to practice the day after
> Bryan's body was found - heads down. They
> practiced as if nothing had changed. Why not take
> a pause and let the kids sit and talk - have a BBQ
> or something?
>
> I don't expect grieving people to get everything
> right - but there are published guidelines based
> on research and evidence on how a school community
> should respond to a crisis so as to create a more
> positive environment in light of recent tragedies.
> I'd say three deaths in 20 months is a crisis.
> Call me over reacting. I can handle the name
> calling. I just don't want to see another
> needless loss of young, promising life and there
> are numerous things Woodson can do to try to
> ensure that doesn't happen.
>
> Woodson is not to blame - pointing fingers gets us
> no where as a community. We need to partner
> together - schools/community non-profits/County
> Government and parents - together we can help the
> next teen at risk make a better choice.

Since I'm being quoted here, I think I need to respond. Although I was the one to find Bryan, I do not have the answers and am wondering just like everybody else. I've heard different theories about whether he took his own life, was murdered or died accidentally, but am not privy to any inside information. Some of the facts leave us all wondering, but I'll leave the official determination up to the police. My heart continues to break for the Glenn family and all who knew and loved Bryan.

So do we know what officially happened?

And then? Wrote:
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> So do we know what officially happened?

Yes, he died (duh). Unassisted suicide. How do I know? I listened to his mom and dad as they were talking about it during a gathering earlier this week. I had never met them before. Very nice people, totally crushed by their son's death, and extremely grateful to everyone who helped.

In earlier reports, an insider said that search party members had walked right past the body and didn't notice anything unusual. I forget the exact quote, but it suggested that the body was standing up. So maybe a hanging? I still don't get the part about going to Dunkin' Donuts. Could he have had an eating disorder?

Beyotch Knowles Wrote:
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> In earlier reports, an insider said that search
> party members had walked right past the body and
> didn't notice anything unusual. I forget the
> exact quote, but it suggested that the body was
> standing up. So maybe a hanging? I still don't
> get the part about going to Dunkin' Donuts. Could
> he have had an eating disorder?

If there's any hope left for mankind, this post & conclusion are totally facetious.

anyone know who killed him?

wenbsyiwll Wrote:
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> anyone know who killed him?


Suicide.

VA Resident/Veteran Wrote:
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> Many of the posters here just simply do not
> understand who is eligible for burial at Arlington
> National Cemetery. It has never been reserved for
> "heroes" or veterans of wars only. The man who
> established this military cemetery, BG Meigs is
> buried there along with his father, wife and son.
> He was the first commander of Arlington House. If
> you have served honorably in the armed forces or
> were honorably discharged, you are eligible for
> burial there. The spouse, widow or widower, minor
> child and, at the discretion of the Secretary of
> the Army, unmarried adult child of anyone on
> Active duty is eligible to be buried there.
>
> So those of you spouting venom about Bryan being
> buried at Arlington National Cemetery - get off
> your soap box. You are simply wrong.
>
> I never served a day at war other than the cold
> war and I'm eligible for burial there. My Uncle
> served in Korea for one tour but died many years
> later as a civilian. He is buried there. In
> turn, my spouse and children are eligible to be
> buried with me.
>
> Brayn's father would fight and die to preserve
> your freedom of speech. The least thing you could
> do to honor him is to shut up about his dear son
> being buried in a national military cemetery where
> he has every right to be laid to rest.


..........................fair enough.

VA Resident/Veteran Wrote:
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> Many of the posters here just simply do not
> understand who is eligible for burial at Arlington
> National Cemetery. It has never been reserved for
> "heroes" or veterans of wars only. The man who
> established this military cemetery, BG Meigs is
> buried there along with his father, wife and son.
> He was the first commander of Arlington House. If
> you have served honorably in the armed forces or
> were honorably discharged, you are eligible for
> burial there. The spouse, widow or widower, minor
> child and, at the discretion of the Secretary of
> the Army, unmarried adult child of anyone on
> Active duty is eligible to be buried there.
>
> So those of you spouting venom about Bryan being
> buried at Arlington National Cemetery - get off
> your soap box. You are simply wrong.
>
> I never served a day at war other than the cold
> war and I'm eligible for burial there. My Uncle
> served in Korea for one tour but died many years
> later as a civilian. He is buried there. In
> turn, my spouse and children are eligible to be
> buried with me.
>
> Brayn's father would fight and die to preserve
> your freedom of speech. The least thing you could
> do to honor him is to shut up about his dear son
> being buried in a national military cemetery where
> he has every right to be laid to rest.


You must be thinking of Quantico. I have an official letter denying my (honorably discharged WWII vet) father burial at Arlington.

and see............that's something that doesnt make any sense to me. None at all.

For better or for worse, the rules are here:

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/docs/FuneralInfo_AdminGuide2InfoBurial_ANC.pdf

Posted without opinion by your humble servant,
Ray

PS, if anyone's gonna express an opinion, it might as well be based on the facts, so reading the document is a good idea.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/01/2012 08:55PM by Mad Raymond.

Mad Raymond Wrote:
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> For better or for worse, the rules are here:
>
> http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/docs/FuneralInfo_
> AdminGuide2InfoBurial_ANC.pdf
>
> Posted without opinion by your humble servant,
> Ray
>
> PS, if anyone's gonna express an opinion, it might
> as well be based on the facts, so reading the
> document is a good idea.


Retirees who died in July are only now being buried there. There's a major backlog, so it seems strange that this kid gets buried there so quickly.

Did he already get buried? I hadn't heard that.

I have heard in the past that cremains get in there faster than full casket burials. Anybody know that real story on that? Be interesting to hear.

Ray

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> and see............that's something that doesnt
> make any sense to me. None at all.


Veterans deserve Arlington. Not their spouses, nor their children. The regulations need to be changed.

Mad Raymond Wrote:
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> Did he already get buried? I hadn't heard that.
>
> I have heard in the past that cremains get in
> there faster than full casket burials. Anybody
> know that real story on that? Be interesting to
> hear.
>
> Ray

A relative of mine's ashes were placed in a columbarium about 3 months after their death, even though they will be buried with their spouse when the spouse dies. It would have taken 6 months to wait for a grave.

Young Curmudgeon Wrote:
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> Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > and see............that's something that doesnt
> > make any sense to me. None at all.
>
>
> Veterans deserve Arlington. Not their spouses, nor
> their children. The regulations need to be
> changed.

Only dependent children can be buried, not adult children unless they were dependent adult children.

Spouses makes sense, most people want to be buried next to their spouse. Would you deny a veteran his or her place at Arlington just because he or she wants to have their wife or husband buried next to them. (hopefully, they want to wait until the spouse dies, you know?)

Young Curmudgeon Wrote:
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> Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > and see............that's something that doesnt
> > make any sense to me. None at all.
>
>
> Veterans deserve Arlington. Not their spouses, nor
> their children. The regulations need to be
> changed.

If that's your opinion, then you probably ought to write your Congressional Representative, with a copy to the Secretary of the Army, under whose purview Arlington falls.
Ray

People prefer to be together Wrote:
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> Young Curmudgeon Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > and see............that's something that
> doesnt
> > > make any sense to me. None at all.
> >
> >
> > Veterans deserve Arlington. Not their spouses,
> nor
> > their children. The regulations need to be
> > changed.
>
> Only dependent children can be buried, not adult
> children unless they were dependent adult
> children.
>
> Spouses makes sense, most people want to be buried
> next to their spouse. Would you deny a veteran
> his or her place at Arlington just because he or
> she wants to have their wife or husband buried
> next to them. (hopefully, they want to wait until
> the spouse dies, you know?)

Great, so all ffxu posters that have military parents are eligible! Sweet!!!

I wouldn't want to be buried at Arlington. The place is just as fucked up as anything else run by the government. Nobody knows for sure who is buried where, gravestones found dumped in a creek, you name it.

Mad Raymond Wrote:
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> Young Curmudgeon Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > and see............that's something that
> doesnt
> > > make any sense to me. None at all.
> >
> >
> > Veterans deserve Arlington. Not their spouses,
> nor
> > their children. The regulations need to be
> > changed.
>
> If that's your opinion, then you probably ought to
> write your Congressional Representative, with a
> copy to the Secretary of the Army, under whose
> purview Arlington falls.
> Ray

I just did, actually.

Young Curmudgeon Wrote:
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> > If that's your opinion, then you probably ought
> to
> > write your Congressional Representative, with a
> > copy to the Secretary of the Army, under whose
> > purview Arlington falls.
> > Ray
>
> I just did, actually.

Good thing, that. Though, I wonder if banning spouses is really necessary? Since it is possible to "stack" burials - going down an extra few feet to put one grave atop another - perhaps it's reasonable to allow spouses. Then, too, there's the question of infant children, ala JFK. Many families would want them in the mix as well, and then, where do you draw the line? And what of the service member whose 6 year old daughter lost her fight against leukemia at Walter Reed while the service member was giving all in Iraq? Let's hope John McHugh can channel the wisdom of Solomon.

Mad Raymond Wrote:
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>
> Good thing, that. Though, I wonder if banning
> spouses is really necessary? Since it is possible
> to "stack" burials - going down an extra few feet
> to put one grave atop another - perhaps it's


That's exactly what they do at Arlington. No side-by-side burial, they bury the first spouse, and then reopen the grave and place the second spouse on top.

Genius Wrote:
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> And then? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So do we know what officially happened?
>
> Yes, he died (duh). Unassisted suicide. How do I
> know? I listened to his mom and dad as they were
> talking about it during a gathering earlier this
> week. I had never met them before. Very nice
> people, totally crushed by their son's death, and
> extremely grateful to everyone who helped.

I hope that "gathering" you refer to wasn't the bereaved parents group that meets in Fairfax (two days before you posted.) If it was, shame on you for talking out of school.

Really? When? Wrote:
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> Genius Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And then? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > So do we know what officially happened?
> >
> > Yes, he died (duh). Unassisted suicide. How do
> I
> > know? I listened to his mom and dad as they
> were
> > talking about it during a gathering earlier
> this
> > week. I had never met them before. Very nice
> > people, totally crushed by their son's death,
> and
> > extremely grateful to everyone who helped.
>
> I hope that "gathering" you refer to wasn't the
> bereaved parents group that meets in Fairfax (two
> days before you posted.) If it was, shame on you
> for talking out of school.

YO!! Ditto for YOU TOO, son!!! THINK, McFly..THINK!!!!! o_0

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> Really? When? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Genius Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > And then? Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > So do we know what officially happened?
> > >
> > > Yes, he died (duh). Unassisted suicide. How
> do
> > I
> > > know? I listened to his mom and dad as they
> > were
> > > talking about it during a gathering earlier
> > this
> > > week. I had never met them before. Very
> nice
> > > people, totally crushed by their son's death,
> > and
> > > extremely grateful to everyone who helped.
> >
> > I hope that "gathering" you refer to wasn't the
> > bereaved parents group that meets in Fairfax
> (two
> > days before you posted.) If it was, shame on
> you
> > for talking out of school.
>
> YO!! Ditto for YOU TOO, son!!! THINK,
> McFly..THINK!!!!! o_0


Gordon, not sure what your meaning is here? Could you explain, please?
Thanks,
Ray

I guess you were at the "gathering" too?

You brought up.

Sorry.

@Ray - well, if "really" was truly into wanting to keep the family's privacy private, they would have kept their own mouth shut about where such info could have been overheard and more importantly, not have focused the thread back on that particular post. That's all I mean................

edit: it's kinda like pouring gas on a fire, what "really" did in that particular instance..........better to have just left it alone



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/03/2012 10:38PM by Gordon Blvd.

National Cemetery wait list Wrote:
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> Retirees who died in July are only now being
> buried there. There's a major backlog, so it
> seems strange that this kid gets buried there so
> quickly.

Private ceremonies (no military honors) on Saturdays do not have to wait.

Genius Wrote:
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> National Cemetery wait list Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Retirees who died in July are only now being
> > buried there. There's a major backlog, so it
> > seems strange that this kid gets buried there
> so
> > quickly.
>
> Private ceremonies (no military honors) on
> Saturdays do not have to wait.


Private ceremonies? Get real.

My relative was placed in a columbarium. It took 3 months. No military honors, but the military still oversees the cemetery and the back log is not just for honor guard.

So did he hang himself or overdose?

private ceremonies? Wrote:
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> >
> > Private ceremonies (no military honors) on
> > Saturdays do not have to wait.
>
>
> Private ceremonies? Get real.
>
> My relative was placed in a columbarium. It took
> 3 months. No military honors, but the military
> still oversees the cemetery and the back log is
> not just for honor guard.

Call them if you don't believe me. Say that you want a private ceremony on Saturday and you will bring your own clergy.

He who smells the worst
Gets buried first.

Bury where they drop.

Ray - can you point to the page/paragraph in that document where it states honorably discharged WWII Veterans do not have burial rights at Arlington National Cemetery? That is the document I read and was sourcing in my post. I did read the facts before posting - but if I missed something please point it out to me. Humans make mistakes. I don't see where honorably discharged WWII veterans are denied burial.

Bryan is not buried yet. It does take months.

Did they find the killer yet?!

VA Resident/Veteran Wrote:
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> Ray - can you point to the page/paragraph in that
> document where it states honorably discharged WWII
> Veterans do not have burial rights at Arlington
> National Cemetery? That is the document I read
> and was sourcing in my post. I did read the facts
> before posting - but if I missed something please
> point it out to me. Humans make mistakes. I
> don't see where honorably discharged WWII veterans
> are denied burial.
>
> Bryan is not buried yet. It does take months.

Page 3 paragraph b refers to and defines retirees as eligible, but they have to be on an official retirement list and be drawing retirement pay, it seems.

So, it looks like the thousands who served honorably in WWII but did not make it a career are not eligible. And that was true in the cases I am familiar with. Of course it doesn't say explicitly that "honorably discharged WWII veterans are denied burial" but additional criteria, such as retired status, apply.

I'm sorry to learn that he is not buried yet. Must be awfully hard on the family to have that part unfinished. I hope it will provide a little bit of comfort once they can see him to his final resting place.
Ray

PS, sorry to have griped that you didn't read when you did. I find it generally frustrating that people seem to make up all kinds of stuff on this board that can be easily researched, and I misdirected that at you. Getting cranky as I age...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/18/2012 07:53PM by Mad Raymond.

The motherfuckers want a free funeral, so let them wait.

There would be an ounce... something ... even a little sign of struggle!!! This Sucks!!!! Miss you!!!

First of all it is up to Bryan’s family to inform others of what is known. At this point there is no safety alert for the public. Listening to all the information posted about suicide I feel the need to ask people "in general" to understand that an extremely high amount of cases (I work closely with suicidal ideations, attempts, and completions) people say "she was not that kind of person" "he would have never have done that" "I had no idea." However hindsight is always 20/20. Suicide DOES NOT attack "a kind of person." It’s a state of mind in which anyone can get into. Its understanding what’s involved with this process and not stigmatizing its existence. Some people appear extremely happy and seemingly doing well before taking their lives. Others seem depressed. Perhaps as a community, instead of being in denial about what suicide is or who it affects, we learn to identify it and help prevent it.
Bryan Rest In Peace Friend

Please show me were this is stated? Jesus allowed others to take his life for the benefit of others.

"I know at least two military brats who had suicidal thoughts. Your argument is fallacious at best."

Brats? Funny how name calling "because it is commonly used" doesn't go away. However, the statements insinuation could be meaningful with the added confirmation that military children as well as nonmilitary children have suicidal thoughts. In the past month I have been associated with a very large number.

Those "the community" who were involved do know the truth.

"Kids are such wimps these days. Bullies serve a very important function"

Really??????????????????????????????????????????????
Hmm an oxymoron? Bullies are wimps. That’s why they bully. They are in need of control
Because they are missing it from where they truly need it. Think about it, it is so easy to be angry and mean but much harder to be patient/ slow to anger. So those who take the easy way will hopefully learn someday. There is still hope.

any updates?!?! was it murder!?!? is the murderer still out on the streets?

Hanging or drug OD? any updates?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-state-of-nova/post/the-death-of-bryan-glenn-did-the-fairfax-county-police-mishandle-it-did-the-news-media/2012/10/16/cdbbe820-124f-11e2-ba83-a7a396e6b2a7_blog.html

That article is saddening

 

um, why are we bringing this up again?

it was suicide and that's all we the public need to know about this - I have NEVER heard of any history of criminal activity in that park - have you? I have not heard of any knowledge of the kid having any history that would invite a crime. So why would you believe that this man was targeted for any criminal activity

It's VERY unlikely that we will hear of anything else regarding this young man's passing as it's not really any of our business.

Some of you may have already read the story in this morning's Washington Post. The medical examiner confirmed Bryan Glenn's death was a suicide and there were no drugs or alcohol involved prior to him taking his own life by hanging. We notified his family over the weekend of the medical examiner's findings.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-state-of-nova/post/bryan-glenn-missing-wt-woodson-student-committed-suicide-medical-examiner-rules/2013/02/24/9e9799e8-7e99-11e2-b99e-6baf4ebe42df_blog.html

carol43257 Wrote:
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> In response to caplock I wanted to get your
> attention and obviously it worked. As far as the
> rape goes you think whatever you want but the
> reason I did not disclose this individuals name is
> once again I was raped why the hell would I put
> his name on an open public blog. I just found out
> about Fairfax Underground a few months ago and
> lets just say not all look civil porn on a missing
> child forum thats just wrong.
> If you question what I say do your own research go
> to the Fairfax courthouse all of this is public
> information and you can also see that he only got
> a years probation.
> As far as Woodson goes it was my choice to take my
> child out of that school. I'm sure for some who
> like a very structured disciplined school it's
> great but we have to remember these are kids. I
> spoke with a counselor at Woodson about the
> structure and how it was different from the other
> high schools in the area and she agreed it was
> more strict. Just a word of advice more money does
> not always make a better school.
>
> I'm not on this site to fight with anyone I just
> wanted to let you know what happened to me and
> that we all need to look at every angle of this.
> Knowing someones child is missing is heart
> wrenching to me. Remember While were all here in
> our warm cozy homes chatting there is a young man
> out there. I know there is a search at 10:30 this
> morning which I may attend or I will go with my
> own group.There is alot of area to cover later.
> One other suggestion would be to cover areas
> behind these registered sexual offenders places of
> work. The business's that run down pickett rd
> Fairfax Ice Arena side.
> Is it possible he may have walked back to school
> and was scared he did not want anyone to see his
> car pulling in the schools parking lot. He may
> have walked a portion of that side not to be seen.
> That might sound far fetched but not impossible.


bump

The lesson for (other) potential killers is that if you want to murder someone, make it look like a suicide.