Coach - I think we're in 90% agreement. Pulling a player that acted inappropriately is the right and only thing to do. We need more coaches that don't put up with the BS that some players pull today. Unfortunately, SOCO has more than their fair share. Luther's more concerned about W/L than he is about using HS sports to better the student. That is fundamentally wrong.

You should never sacrifice values simply to ensure a better outcome in the game. I'm sure Luther knows the game, but he doesn't see the bigger picture.

Luther needs to follow the below guidelines:

Good sportsmanship is a top priority of the Virginia High School League. In fact, the manner in which you and your team represent your school is far more important than whether you win or lose the games you play.

Good sportsmanship is all about respect – respect for teammates and coaches, respect for opposing players and coaches, respect for contest officials, and respect for the game.

Please demand from your players and team personnel that as they compete they treat all other teams and officials with respect at all times, regardless of the situation. Please encourage your fans to do the same. And, finally, please lead by your example.

Sad to say, Luther fails all of the above.

Sad to say not alot of coaches do what they should do.
Like other people have stated beforehand, coaching is not all about W/L record, but the only thing is, that is how coaches are judged. If a coach has a bad record, he is history. Not many people are worried about how a coach acts.
That should fall back on the school and the VHSL. If they both allow the coaches to act like fools, then they are going to keep doing it.
I think that the league/school should implement a fine/suspension policy for acting out, and I think the umpires need to step up the enforcement of the rules and whatnot. Having seen the NV umpires, I must say they are a joke. The umpires are not really concerned about the rules. As long as they can get their $85 a game they dont care.
I personally think the best thing for the coaches to do is go coaching clinics and maybe take a philosophy class

I agree coach for the guy who said get an education and run a buisness. Well I have a Double Masters. As for the the buisness Try controlling a budget dealing with boosters and the school admin. Making the budget stretch then dealing with parents who think little Johnny is going to pay for their retirement. I can't say Luther's acted correctl, but I also can say their is not one person who has not blown up at one time.

If you think wins and losses do not matter try getting a player in to a good D1 or D2 college program win the team he comes from has a loosing record.

Coach Luther, Coach Smith, Coach Townsend, Coach Carver and Coach Nevins are very nice gentlemen and good examples to their players on how to act - both on the field and off.

Coach Luther might have made a mistake by not disciplining a player but overall - he does look out for his players as people. He truly wants them to be good players and temamates. Yes - I do know him and all the coaches!!

Hey VHSL aka. Grasso Will you just shut the fuck up already...go away, you will never get a coaching job in this area. YOU are not qualified and NOBODY likes you!!! Get the Hint...go back to your ex-wife, she'll straighten you out...

We have nine pages of SOCO bull shit, lets go for ten.

Helping to make it 10.

Funny how Grasso likes to talk about cheating when in fact he was caught cheating on his wife. He is like all of these people that post on this topic. They bitch because either there son/daughter, grandchild, themselve got cut from a team. Or the fact that no one cares what you have to say. Funny how he can bash anyone on his site, but he will not allow anyone to post on his site. If you email him, his typical response is, "anytime, anywhere asshole." Typical New York answer. May be we should start sending him FOIA.

Go to, www.fairnessinschoolsports.org/

I'll take Grasso over Luther any day.

I'm still puzzled why Luther picked the son of Grasso's girlfrind to make the team year after year when everyone knew many other kids were more deserving. I guess he desperately needed a bullpen catcher.

You know, I'd heard of this Grasso idiot over the years...never paid him much mind. Typical gadfly antagonist with a selfish agenda, in my mind.

Then I went to his website, listed above.

Lo and behold, I see posts on there that have been C/P here, and on other threads. Including that retarded Madison Mom with her "conflict of issue" crap. The one that's been a pain in the ass for her kid's coaches since they were 8. Yeah, I know her.....ugh.

Now its much clearer, and much easier, to see through the anonymous posts on here.

And btw, BB coach, this thread ORIGINATED over issues with Luther's and a SOCO kid's behavior on the field--I'm glad you agree that that's out of bounds. All the other "Grasso" bullshit about playing time, fund raising and camps is and has been just so much wasted bloviating. But thanks for reading.

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Trying to piece together this soap opera: Grasso hates Luther (and everybody else apparently). But Luther carried Grasso's girlfriend's son on the team although he didn't belong. This wasn't enough to diffuse Grasso and he continues to lash out at the SOCO program (and everyone else). SOCO parents want change. I know why this thread started (player banging himself on the head with bat while shouting expletives only to be overlooked by coach) but what's the history between these 2? Man, this could be the makings of a great reality TV show...The Biggest Losers? Survivor: SOCO? Bashing with the Stars?

The kid who banged his head was Luther's pet from day 1 of 9th grade. The second coming of Babe Ruth.

Headbanger speaks the truth. He's now at the baseball powerhouse of Mary Washington.

Grasso is a piece of shit. He is a failure at everything and that is why he is lashing out at all FCPS. He needs to realize that he messed and ran a shitty business. Instead, he is making everyones life a living hell. He always says anytime, anywhere...guess what..I am ready to kick your ass old man and finally shut your dumb ass up.

Anybody know if Grasso still runs the South County Hawks?

you will see what a good coach he is if he wins with the talent he has this year. Its hard to replace two thirds of your roster. The middle of there line-up was all-region good, plus they had an all-region pitcher, what's in the wings? Anybody know what happened to there best players, where did they go?

I agree with the last poster. Let's see what Luther does with only an above average team. None of his seniors went anywhere special, at least not the ones that will contiue playing baseball in college. Seth Jordan went to Mary Washington, Nick Digby went to NC Wesleyan.

SOCO Truth Wrote:
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> I agree with the last poster. Let's see what
> Luther does with only an above average team. None
> of his seniors went anywhere special, at least not
> the ones that will contiue playing baseball in
> college. Seth Jordan went to Mary Washington,
> Nick Digby went to NC Wesleyan.


Why are those schools not special....Is it because they're not D1? The competition at the D3 level is still very good....I have a son on CNU and the competition is ridiculous. Its all about being at the right place at the right time. I've seen Digby play for a number of years and he can hit the sh** out of the ball...Jordan had a great junior year but a soft one as a senior, but he can still play. They will excel at the level they are at. Being a big fish in a small pond is better than not getting on the field at all.

It's not the quality of the baseball I was referring to, it's the quality of the academics. These kids will not make their living hitting the sh.. outta the ball, but will use their college education to prep themselves for the "real world". Why is baseball the be all end all. Sad, sad perspective.

luther Wrote:

> They will excel at the level they are at. Being a
> big fish in a small pond is better than not
> getting on the field at all.


on a 36 man roster (UMW) where only 8 hitters get significant at-bats, I'll go way out on a limb here and say--being a small fish in a small pond is statistically probable.

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luther Wrote:
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> SOCO Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I agree with the last poster. Let's see what
> > Luther does with only an above average team.
> None
> > of his seniors went anywhere special, at least
> not
> > the ones that will contiue playing baseball in
> > college. Seth Jordan went to Mary Washington,
> > Nick Digby went to NC Wesleyan.
>
>
> Why are those schools not special....Is it because
> they're not D1? The competition at the D3 level is
> still very good....I have a son on CNU and the
> competition is ridiculous. Its all about being at
> the right place at the right time. I've seen Digby
> play for a number of years and he can hit the sh**
> out of the ball...Jordan had a great junior year
> but a soft one as a senior, but he can still play.
> They will excel at the level they are at. Being a
> big fish in a small pond is better than not
> getting on the field at all.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion...SOCO Truth, you weren't very clear on your post. Academics didn't come up once on this thread and I'm suppossed to assume that's what your talking about...How do you know about the quality of education, do you know anything about D3 schools. As far as kids not making a living hitting the shit out of the ball, how do you know? Anything can happen, take this from someone whose kid is in high A ball who came from a D3 school. Some kids have dreams of playing at the next level...no matter how long it takes! It's a good thing they don't listen to people such as yourself...

Does Nick Markakis ring a bell......

Having come from a D1 program to coaching I agree the level of play in D2 and D3 is good, but consider this the number of scholarships in D2 is 1/2 that of D1 and D3 I do not think they offer Baseball scholarships if they do it is 1 or 2 per year. You also must consider this, out of a team of 15 only 9 play and 10 hit, out of that number 1 to 4 players will actully get looked at by scouts. out of the four 1 might get an offer. If that he will be 1 of 20 to 30 who get to the college team. The team is now made up of the studs from every other High School the scouts went to and offered 1 kid a chance. For 1 position on the team the in coming freshman might be 1 of 6 palyers at the position and that is a low esatmate of the 6, 4 will be upperclassman. take those numbers and you will see playing any significant amount in college is like winning the lotto. My advice is parents be realistic Coaches be truthful with players and parents.Players remember its a game. keep your grades an atittude up. I agree displine bad sportsmanship.

Luther - as parents it's our job to provide the best guidance to our kids. Telling them to follow the dream at some podunk D3 school, instead of focusing on academics at a better academic institution is foolish. As a business owner, I know a great deal about the kind of professionals schools develop. The chances of "making it" at a D3 school are so slim, its a non starter. Coaches and parents need to be more responsible when providing guidance to a high school student.

"Follow the dream" at D3 .... Not so much. Keep drinkin' the Kool-Aid.

If only you were the real Luther.

Let's stop talking about Luther for a minute. What about these other men who are there to coach but only care about their kids. Smith kid who is a team manager but takes more infield and BP then some of the varsity players. Neivens who only show's up when he fell like putting the kids down. Townsend who dont care about nothing but his kid.I'm so glad my kid is gone and don't have to put up with this anymore. Good Luck

SOCO Truth Wrote:
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> It's not the quality of the baseball I was
> referring to, it's the quality of the academics.
> These kids will not make their living hitting the
> sh.. outta the ball, but will use their college
> education to prep themselves for the "real world".
> Why is baseball the be all end all. Sad, sad
> perspective.

Mary Washington and Christopher Newport are 2 of the hardest schools in Virginia to get in to. I have a niece that had like a 4.3 and she CHOSE Mary Washington. Your credibility is not getting any better.

I have played and coached numerous sports and I can tell you that baseball is the most subjective of all. Two very good coaches could see total opposite things in a player. So guess what the parent will see? Get over it, your kid probably sucks. And I'll bet he can't get into UMW or CNU either.

luther Wrote:
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> luther Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SOCO Truth Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I agree with the last poster. Let's see what
> > > Luther does with only an above average team.
> > None
> > > of his seniors went anywhere special, at
> least
> > not
> > > the ones that will contiue playing baseball
> in
> > > college. Seth Jordan went to Mary
> Washington,
> > > Nick Digby went to NC Wesleyan.
> >
> >
> > Why are those schools not special....Is it
> because
> > they're not D1? The competition at the D3 level
> is
> > still very good....I have a son on CNU and the
> > competition is ridiculous. Its all about being
> at
> > the right place at the right time. I've seen
> Digby
> > play for a number of years and he can hit the
> sh**
> > out of the ball...Jordan had a great junior
> year
> > but a soft one as a senior, but he can still
> play.
> > They will excel at the level they are at. Being
> a
> > big fish in a small pond is better than not
> > getting on the field at all.
>
> Everyone is entitled to their opinion...SOCO
> Truth, you weren't very clear on your post.
> Academics didn't come up once on this thread and
> I'm suppossed to assume that's what your talking
> about...How do you know about the quality of
> education, do you know anything about D3 schools.
> As far as kids not making a living hitting the
> shit out of the ball, how do you know? Anything
> can happen, take this from someone whose kid is in
> high A ball who came from a D3 school. Some kids
> have dreams of playing at the next level...no
> matter how long it takes! It's a good thing they
> don't listen to people such as yourself...

HAHA, tell him like it is, CNU and UMW are great academic institutions. As a business owner you're passing up alot of potential candidates by not knowing what a good school is. So what if you don't make it, you're still getting 4 more years of baseball and with alittle luck and hard work...who knows where it will take you. SOCO TRUTH, you're tunnel vision has caused you to miss out on so much. I feel sorry for you. Put some Capt. Morgan in your Kool Aid, it will ease your pain. Sad, sad perspective.

How this devolved into which colleges are better is beyond me. I think letting kids go to school where they want is perfectly fine, athletes or not. VERY few athletes in ANY college sport have a preponderance of choice of schools.

SOCO TRUTH can run his business any way he wants; I doubt where the degrees come from matters much. Having hired an awful lot of folks, I'd say it's only one of MANY criteria one could use.

Wasn't the purpose of this thread to discuss Luther's behavior on the field, and how(or not) he disciplined his out of control players?

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luther - thanks for feeling sorry for me. I feel so special. I agree with fairfaxdude in that the focus of this thread should be the lack of discipline Luther instills in his players. Saw it first hand over and over. CNU and MWU are OK local schools if that's what you want. I prefer more nnational universities like UVA, UNC, Penn St, Michigan,Texas, military academies etc. Just my preference. My expeience as shown that the folks from these schools perform and don't need hand holding.

Anybody know where Luther went to school.

luther Wrote:
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> luther Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SOCO Truth Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I agree with the last poster. Let's see what
> > > Luther does with only an above average team.
> > None
> > > of his seniors went anywhere special, at
> least
> > not
> > > the ones that will contiue playing baseball
> in
> > > college. Seth Jordan went to Mary
> Washington,
> > > Nick Digby went to NC Wesleyan.
> >
> >
> > Why are those schools not special....Is it
> because
> > they're not D1? The competition at the D3 level
> is
> > still very good....I have a son on CNU and the
> > competition is ridiculous. Its all about being
> at
> > the right place at the right time. I've seen
> Digby
> > play for a number of years and he can hit the
> sh**
> > out of the ball...Jordan had a great junior
> year
> > but a soft one as a senior, but he can still
> play.
> > They will excel at the level they are at. Being
> a
> > big fish in a small pond is better than not
> > getting on the field at all.
>
> Everyone is entitled to their opinion...SOCO
> Truth, you weren't very clear on your post.
> Academics didn't come up once on this thread and
> I'm suppossed to assume that's what your talking
> about...How do you know about the quality of
> education, do you know anything about D3 schools.
> As far as kids not making a living hitting the
> shit out of the ball, how do you know? Anything
> can happen, take this from someone whose kid is in
> high A ball who came from a D3 school. Some kids
> have dreams of playing at the next level...no
> matter how long it takes! It's a good thing they
> don't listen to people such as yourself...


HARVARD

how embarassing for Harvard

C'mon yall, couple more posts and we're on page 10! Yeehaw. Tell me more about the dippin' and spittin' that went on in the dugout!

Sounds like Skoal Bandit is a protege of Luther. PWT at it's best.

Yeehaw! After all, this is LORTON! NASCAR country...who's ur driver? PWT? Partyin' With Tobacco?! Yep'r. Now back to the mud slingin'.

Who is in line to get boned at SC next year?

Has anyone signed to a college? Someone give us some ammo......

Skoal Bandit - SOCO is in Lorton. The SOCO baseball players predominately live in Fairfax Station. You are the definition of PWT (Po white trash).

White Trash, yep. Po? Nope. Where does Luther live? And I noticed despite all your bellyachin' he ain't goin nowhere. I reckon your boy is done playin and you still blame him cuz he didn't go D1...or did Luther cut your boy? Luther gonna be dippin' and chewin' at SOCO for a long time. Yeehaw!

Does Skoal get acccess to a computer between cleaning the boys stalls at SOCO.
Po - I think so!

Raider, pretty darn sure that you and 1st Base know all about boys stalls alright. Gonna bet you and him probably shared a few in your day. Now, let's get back to some good ol' mudslingin'. Yeehaw!

Baseball workouts have probably started. Any SOCO updates?

Update: Skoal Bandit still shoveling crap from the boys restrooms. Still hoping that saying yeehaw will make him look impressive to the HS freshmen.

It's a week before X-Mas and Mark Luther still can't coach. Oh yeah, he's very short.

With all the snow, will tryouts be pushed back?

Tryouts have been going on inside the schools facilities.

So in a few days, after cuts, we'll get some whiny, over privileged, under achieving, self entitled parents bitching about how some mean bad coach cut their little boy? And its the coach's fault little Johnny isn't on the team. That mean ogre of a coach plays favorites and since we have principles, we won't pander to him.

Let me just prepare you helicopter moms. "You're boy isn't good enough."

Actually, Luther isn't good enough.

Seth Jordan having a good year at Mary Washington. Not surprising given his talents.

not surprised Wrote:
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> Seth Jordan having a good year at Mary Washington.
> Not surprising given his talents.


hows his dick taste?

Seth is actually having a good freshman year at MW. Thank god Luther prepared him so well.

SOCO Tuth Wrote:
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> Seth is actually having a good freshman year at
> MW. Thank god Luther prepared him so well.



Don't forget the daily blowjobs that you've been giving him for some time now

Bo Jangles - When it comes to BJs, you're obviously the expert.

I know Seth he is a pussy who quit football so he wouldnt get hurt. This fits his personality as a big cry baby. Jane Lipp sucks. We need the Rumburgler back. Luther Sucks. Plugraph sucks. Bendorf is chill.

I'm still bitter that Luthers the coach and not me.

Dbsdi Wrote:
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> I know Seth he is a pussy who quit football so he
> wouldnt get hurt. This fits his personality as a
> big cry baby. Jane Lipp sucks. We need the
> Rumburgler back. Luther Sucks. Plugraph sucks.
> Bendorf is chill.


Agree that Rumburgler is needed back! Pflugrath is a good man and does a great job!

Baseball Fan Wrote:
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> This was a total disgrace for high school sports
> and should not happen in front of players, adults
> and their children.

How many of the players have children?

Funny how all of you had nothing to say when Luther lead this squad to an outstanding 28-1 record this past season. He's a great coach.

As a Lake Braddock parent I must add that I have been quite impressed the last few years at Coach Luther's coaching of his team. They had a great season and really appreciate the time that all these coaches give, and the great influences they have on our kids.

LBparent Wrote:
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> As a Lake Braddock parent I must add that I have
> been quite impressed the last few years at Coach
> Luther's coaching of his team. They had a great
> season and really appreciate the time that all
> these coaches give, and the great influences they
> have on our kids.


He's a good man and put together a good staff, just like Braddock has done. All the games we played against you guys last year were great and I have much respect for that team.

I completely disagree with what you're saying. Coach Luther wasn't the one telling the kid to cuss so you can't blame him for the actions of other people. Also he had the game to worry about so he isn't going to waste time disciplining a player when there is a game to be played. I'm sure he said something after the game, as all coaches do. Plus this is a HIGH SCHOOL SPORT meaning the language isn't always going to be appropriet but it happened so deal with it. I'm sure soccer players, football players, basketball and all the other athletes say those things as well at any high school you just don't hear because you aren't next to them. Luther is not a parent he is a coach, so he isn't responsible for do diciplining a player when a game is going on. If you aren't comfortable with what is said I dare you to go to a pro or college game. There will definitely be fowl language said but you don't bag on those coaches so stop bagging on Coach Luther. If you and your child can't handle the language and intensity then you shouldn't have your child on a high school sport.

> There will definitely be fowl language <

As in, "bawk, bawk, bawk bawk", or something like that?

Good grief, don't old threads die at some point?