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Vote Everybody out of Office and Start Over!
Posted by:
Tea Party Rules
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Date: May 17, 2012 11:59AM
If you don't like our current government leaders and think they are all BS vote them out!
Re: Vote Everybody out of Office and Start Over!
Posted by:
BrianSchoeneman
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Date: May 17, 2012 12:07PM
Great idea.
While we're at it, fire everybody at every Wall Street firm and hire people off the street to do those jobs.
And throw out every worker at Ford - let's get new blood in there, too. I'm sure we can find a great CEO that will work for less. Just put an ad in the Patch.
While we're at it, fire everybody at every Wall Street firm and hire people off the street to do those jobs.
And throw out every worker at Ford - let's get new blood in there, too. I'm sure we can find a great CEO that will work for less. Just put an ad in the Patch.
Re: Vote Everybody out of Office and Start Over!
Posted by:
Fruppie
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Date: May 17, 2012 12:11PM
BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> Great idea.
>
> While we're at it, fire everybody at every Wall
> Street firm and hire people off the street to do
> those jobs.
>
> And throw out every worker at Ford - let's get new
> blood in there, too. I'm sure we can find a great
> CEO that will work for less. Just put an ad in the
> Patch.
That's stupid.
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> Great idea.
>
> While we're at it, fire everybody at every Wall
> Street firm and hire people off the street to do
> those jobs.
>
> And throw out every worker at Ford - let's get new
> blood in there, too. I'm sure we can find a great
> CEO that will work for less. Just put an ad in the
> Patch.
That's stupid.
Re: Vote Everybody out of Office and Start Over!
Posted by:
BrianSchoeneman
()
Date: May 17, 2012 12:14PM
Yup.
Re: Vote Everybody out of Office and Start Over!
Posted by:
Bill.N.
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Date: May 17, 2012 12:46PM
BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> Great idea.
>
> While we're at it, fire everybody at every Wall
> Street firm and hire people off the street to do
> those jobs.
>
> And throw out every worker at Ford - let's get new
> blood in there, too. I'm sure we can find a great
> CEO that will work for less. Just put an ad in the
> Patch.
They aren't the same thing Brian. If those currently holding elected office were all voted out, the institutions that are our local, state and national governments could adjust to the new leadership and survive. You could even throw all candidates from both major parties and the institutions would still survive. When you throw out all of the workers of Wall Street and Ford, you don't merely change the leadership-You destroy the institutions.
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> Great idea.
>
> While we're at it, fire everybody at every Wall
> Street firm and hire people off the street to do
> those jobs.
>
> And throw out every worker at Ford - let's get new
> blood in there, too. I'm sure we can find a great
> CEO that will work for less. Just put an ad in the
> Patch.
They aren't the same thing Brian. If those currently holding elected office were all voted out, the institutions that are our local, state and national governments could adjust to the new leadership and survive. You could even throw all candidates from both major parties and the institutions would still survive. When you throw out all of the workers of Wall Street and Ford, you don't merely change the leadership-You destroy the institutions.
Re: Vote Everybody out of Office and Start Over!
Posted by:
Limit
()
Date: May 17, 2012 01:53PM
The reason there are term limits in government is to stop monopolies. We do it for a president and should do the same for CONGRESS!
Re: Vote Everybody out of Office and Start Over!
Posted by:
BrianSchoeneman
()
Date: May 17, 2012 03:18PM
Bill.N. Wrote:
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> BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Great idea.
> >
> > While we're at it, fire everybody at every Wall
> > Street firm and hire people off the street to
> do
> > those jobs.
> >
> > And throw out every worker at Ford - let's get
> new
> > blood in there, too. I'm sure we can find a
> great
> > CEO that will work for less. Just put an ad in
> the
> > Patch.
>
> They aren't the same thing Brian. If those
> currently holding elected office were all voted
> out, the institutions that are our local, state
> and national governments could adjust to the new
> leadership and survive. You could even throw all
> candidates from both major parties and the
> institutions would still survive. When you throw
> out all of the workers of Wall Street and Ford,
> you don't merely change the leadership-You destroy
> the institutions.
You would destroy our government institutions, too.
You would leave the government in the hands of unelected bureaucrats and staff and making whoever the new folks are beholden to them. It's just a bad idea.
You don't blow up your whole yard because you've got a few weeds. You pull them and replant.
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> BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Great idea.
> >
> > While we're at it, fire everybody at every Wall
> > Street firm and hire people off the street to
> do
> > those jobs.
> >
> > And throw out every worker at Ford - let's get
> new
> > blood in there, too. I'm sure we can find a
> great
> > CEO that will work for less. Just put an ad in
> the
> > Patch.
>
> They aren't the same thing Brian. If those
> currently holding elected office were all voted
> out, the institutions that are our local, state
> and national governments could adjust to the new
> leadership and survive. You could even throw all
> candidates from both major parties and the
> institutions would still survive. When you throw
> out all of the workers of Wall Street and Ford,
> you don't merely change the leadership-You destroy
> the institutions.
You would destroy our government institutions, too.
You would leave the government in the hands of unelected bureaucrats and staff and making whoever the new folks are beholden to them. It's just a bad idea.
You don't blow up your whole yard because you've got a few weeds. You pull them and replant.
Re: Vote Everybody out of Office and Start Over!
Posted by:
2,4D
()
Date: May 17, 2012 04:00PM
BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> bad idea.
>
> You don't blow up your whole yard because you've
> got a few weeds. You pull them and replant.
Ehhh... When there's more weeds than lawn sometimes you need to just break out the RoundUp and start over. lol
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> bad idea.
>
> You don't blow up your whole yard because you've
> got a few weeds. You pull them and replant.
Ehhh... When there's more weeds than lawn sometimes you need to just break out the RoundUp and start over. lol
Re: Vote Everybody out of Office and Start Over!
Posted by:
hard timer
()
Date: May 17, 2012 07:14PM
As long as we keep Obama I will be happy. We could search a thousand years and not find one so qualified. His online bio says he is taking credit for things started by FDR and Kennedy.
Re: Vote Everybody out of Office and Start Over!
Posted by:
Bow Down
()
Date: May 17, 2012 07:20PM
Yes, truly a great man. A legend in his own mind.
Re: Vote Everybody out of Office and Start Over!
Posted by:
Hatemotor
()
Date: May 17, 2012 07:22PM
Limit Wrote:
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> The reason there are term limits in government is
> to stop monopolies. We do it for a president and
> should do the same for CONGRESS!
At this point I would have to agree,,,the bad outnumber the good that deserve to stay,,,
if we're not gonna have any campaign finance reforms , then just put in term limits,,
At the very least, prevent more than two CONSECUTIVE terms,,,allow them back if anyone still wants them after they sit out a term,,,
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> The reason there are term limits in government is
> to stop monopolies. We do it for a president and
> should do the same for CONGRESS!
At this point I would have to agree,,,the bad outnumber the good that deserve to stay,,,
if we're not gonna have any campaign finance reforms , then just put in term limits,,
At the very least, prevent more than two CONSECUTIVE terms,,,allow them back if anyone still wants them after they sit out a term,,,
Re: Vote Everybody out of Office and Start Over!
Posted by:
iirc?
()
Date: May 17, 2012 08:43PM
it will require a constitutional amendment to have congressional term limits? (checking, i see that is the case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Term_limits_in_the_United_States#Federal_term_limits)
which ain't going to happen.
the last time this was a kerfuffle, although i was initially in favor of it, i eventually concluded it was not a good idea.
first, there's no perfect solution to the problem.
second, there's only a limited number of good people. term limits lock out the good as well as the bad. i think, as a general matter, the bad are easier to get rid of through elections, rather then the device of term limits.
on balance, although term limits would keep some rascals out of office, i think the net effect over time will be to block more good than bad.
as for "voting everyone out"? i don't have a problem with that. as a practical matter, it's a very difficult thing to do; therefore, if it is done, the great weight of the will of the people in favor of such a result speaks for itself. that's what elections are for, enacting the will of the majority constrained only by the limits imposed on that will by the constitution.
speaking of which, it is a very interesting theoretical question why we should be constrained by the constitution, since none of us voted for it. arguably, there is no good reason we should be, other than the might-makes-right police and military power of those who now hold authority. in the 19th century, lysander spooner advanced the quite plausible argument that the constitution is not binding on anyone but the direct signers. http://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/constitution-no-authority
which ain't going to happen.
the last time this was a kerfuffle, although i was initially in favor of it, i eventually concluded it was not a good idea.
first, there's no perfect solution to the problem.
second, there's only a limited number of good people. term limits lock out the good as well as the bad. i think, as a general matter, the bad are easier to get rid of through elections, rather then the device of term limits.
on balance, although term limits would keep some rascals out of office, i think the net effect over time will be to block more good than bad.
as for "voting everyone out"? i don't have a problem with that. as a practical matter, it's a very difficult thing to do; therefore, if it is done, the great weight of the will of the people in favor of such a result speaks for itself. that's what elections are for, enacting the will of the majority constrained only by the limits imposed on that will by the constitution.
speaking of which, it is a very interesting theoretical question why we should be constrained by the constitution, since none of us voted for it. arguably, there is no good reason we should be, other than the might-makes-right police and military power of those who now hold authority. in the 19th century, lysander spooner advanced the quite plausible argument that the constitution is not binding on anyone but the direct signers. http://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/constitution-no-authority