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SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
ferfux
()
Date: January 25, 2012 02:15PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-forces-rescue-kidnapped-aid-workers-jessica-buchanan-and-poul-hagen-thisted-in-somalia/2012/01/25/gIQA7WopPQ_story.html?hpid=z1
U.S. forces rescue kidnapped aid workers Jessica Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted in Somalia
AP - Jessica Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted, two aid workers, were freed from Somalia after a raid by U.S. special operations forces.
U.S. special operations forces stormed an outdoor encampment in Somalia early Wednesday, rescuing a kidnapped American aid worker and her Danish colleague and killing nine men who held them captive, officials said.
Jessica Buchanan, 32, who is originally from Ohio, and Poul Hagen Thisted, 60, were abducted Oct. 25 by a group of armed men in Galkayo, a sleepy regional capital in north-central Somalia.
U.S. forces rescue kidnapped aid workers Jessica Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted in Somalia
AP - Jessica Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted, two aid workers, were freed from Somalia after a raid by U.S. special operations forces.
U.S. special operations forces stormed an outdoor encampment in Somalia early Wednesday, rescuing a kidnapped American aid worker and her Danish colleague and killing nine men who held them captive, officials said.
Jessica Buchanan, 32, who is originally from Ohio, and Poul Hagen Thisted, 60, were abducted Oct. 25 by a group of armed men in Galkayo, a sleepy regional capital in north-central Somalia.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
ferfux
()
Date: January 25, 2012 02:16PM
The Pentagon confirmed reports that the rescue was carried out by the same Navy SEAL unit that found and killed Osama bin Laden — the Naval Special Warfare Development Group, also known as SEAL Team 6.
After killing the Somali captors, the commandos found Buchanan and Thisted and freed them. Officials said the United States had been considering a rescue operation for weeks but stepped up its plans after receiving reports that Buchanan’s health was deteriorating.
“We wanted to act, and we did,” Vice President Biden told NBC’s “Today” show on Wednesday. Buchanan and Thisted were brought to a safe location, and are on their way to being reunited with their families, officials said.
After killing the Somali captors, the commandos found Buchanan and Thisted and freed them. Officials said the United States had been considering a rescue operation for weeks but stepped up its plans after receiving reports that Buchanan’s health was deteriorating.
“We wanted to act, and we did,” Vice President Biden told NBC’s “Today” show on Wednesday. Buchanan and Thisted were brought to a safe location, and are on their way to being reunited with their families, officials said.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
Who were they?
()
Date: January 25, 2012 02:51PM
Americans need to stay out of these derelict countries, the saying "I'm a citizen of the world", is pretty out of touch in this world. i can see if they were aid workers, Doctors or Business type, but tourist are asking for it.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
BEH
()
Date: January 25, 2012 02:55PM
The feel good story of the day. Love to hear about sub-human Somali's getting wiped out.
I wonder if they all died while chewing Kat?
I wonder if they all died while chewing Kat?
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
friskydingo
()
Date: January 25, 2012 03:24PM
So I've always wondered something...
Why does the US rescue its citizens that are held captive only sometimes? Stories like this are rare.. In a lot of similar situations in the past, it seemed like the US government could care less what happened to hostages.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/25/2012 03:29PM by friskydingo.
Why does the US rescue its citizens that are held captive only sometimes? Stories like this are rare.. In a lot of similar situations in the past, it seemed like the US government could care less what happened to hostages.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/25/2012 03:29PM by friskydingo.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
behonestwtl
()
Date: January 25, 2012 03:29PM
friskydingo Wrote:
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> So I've always wondered something...
>
> Why does the US rescue it's citizens that are held
> captive only sometimes? In a lot of similar
> situations in the past, it seemed like the US
> government could care less what happened to
> hostages.
It all depends on where they are held. Its much harder to send in forces unnoticed into Iran/China/Russia type country if they have someone than it is to get into somewhere without a strong military and defense system set up like Somalia. Its all just a risk reward calculation. Basically well get them if we can, but we wont start a war to do it if its only a couple people.
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> So I've always wondered something...
>
> Why does the US rescue it's citizens that are held
> captive only sometimes? In a lot of similar
> situations in the past, it seemed like the US
> government could care less what happened to
> hostages.
It all depends on where they are held. Its much harder to send in forces unnoticed into Iran/China/Russia type country if they have someone than it is to get into somewhere without a strong military and defense system set up like Somalia. Its all just a risk reward calculation. Basically well get them if we can, but we wont start a war to do it if its only a couple people.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
friskydingo
()
Date: January 25, 2012 03:38PM
Well, there is another factor.. when Russia, China, Iran hold Americans, that is completely different than some somali thugs that took hostages. Russia, China, and Iran are governments that are well within their sovereign rights to arrest American citizens suspected of committing a crime.
What I am talking about is non governmental hostage situations.. like the one the story is about.
The US seems to only rescue people in this predicament about once a year. Last one I can remember is the rich couple on a boat with Somali pirates.
What about Americans being held captive other places? Like South America?
What I am talking about is non governmental hostage situations.. like the one the story is about.
The US seems to only rescue people in this predicament about once a year. Last one I can remember is the rich couple on a boat with Somali pirates.
What about Americans being held captive other places? Like South America?
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
Olde Farte
()
Date: January 25, 2012 03:45PM
BEH Wrote:
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> I wonder if they all died while chewing Kat?
I'd be willing to bet the kat, possibly enhanced, was supplied to them by a member of The Team.
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> I wonder if they all died while chewing Kat?
I'd be willing to bet the kat, possibly enhanced, was supplied to them by a member of The Team.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
behonestwtl
()
Date: January 25, 2012 03:48PM
friskydingo Wrote:
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> Well, there is another factor.. when Russia,
> China, Iran hold Americans, that is completely
> different than some somali thugs that took
> hostages. Russia, China, and Iran are governments
> that are well within their sovereign rights to
> arrest American citizens suspected of committing a
> crime.
China and Iran are great at making up false charges for tourists. The basic point was when a country like that holds someone its usually not just a couple guys with an AK holding them in a house like with pirates and there is much more security to get through.
> What I am talking about is non governmental
> hostage situations.. like the one the story is
> about.
>
> The US seems to only rescue people in this
> predicament about once a year. Last one I can
> remember is the rich couple on a boat with Somali
> pirates.
>
> What about Americans being held captive other
> places? Like South America?
Theres been a few rescued from the Somali pirates, dont forget the ship captain that was on the life boat with a few a while back.
But even for south america its much harder to find them there with all the jungles and drug networks as those cartels and much much better organized and much more powerful than the pirates. Somalia is one of the easier places to stage a rescue since there is no government and its mostly separate cells of pirates.
But for say South America the cartels there are well organized and sadly enough have a lot of practice with this. Depending on the country you were referring to as well we may be friendly enough to give them a heads up were planning a rescue and the cartels do have people inside the governments and police there that could tip then off to move the people.
Its hard to make a generalization without having a specific country in mind but even just look at Columbias history. They had to make a separate drug task force whose members identities were hidden from even the police to fight the cartels with how rampant the corruption was there.
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> Well, there is another factor.. when Russia,
> China, Iran hold Americans, that is completely
> different than some somali thugs that took
> hostages. Russia, China, and Iran are governments
> that are well within their sovereign rights to
> arrest American citizens suspected of committing a
> crime.
China and Iran are great at making up false charges for tourists. The basic point was when a country like that holds someone its usually not just a couple guys with an AK holding them in a house like with pirates and there is much more security to get through.
> What I am talking about is non governmental
> hostage situations.. like the one the story is
> about.
>
> The US seems to only rescue people in this
> predicament about once a year. Last one I can
> remember is the rich couple on a boat with Somali
> pirates.
>
> What about Americans being held captive other
> places? Like South America?
Theres been a few rescued from the Somali pirates, dont forget the ship captain that was on the life boat with a few a while back.
But even for south america its much harder to find them there with all the jungles and drug networks as those cartels and much much better organized and much more powerful than the pirates. Somalia is one of the easier places to stage a rescue since there is no government and its mostly separate cells of pirates.
But for say South America the cartels there are well organized and sadly enough have a lot of practice with this. Depending on the country you were referring to as well we may be friendly enough to give them a heads up were planning a rescue and the cartels do have people inside the governments and police there that could tip then off to move the people.
Its hard to make a generalization without having a specific country in mind but even just look at Columbias history. They had to make a separate drug task force whose members identities were hidden from even the police to fight the cartels with how rampant the corruption was there.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
4Freedom
()
Date: January 25, 2012 04:33PM
Fuck YEAH!
That's the way democrats do it! Strategic strikes! You fuck with America and we will directly take YOU out just like Bin Laden.
Enough of this shit of taking Americans hostage.
That's the way democrats do it! Strategic strikes! You fuck with America and we will directly take YOU out just like Bin Laden.
Enough of this shit of taking Americans hostage.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
Warhawk
()
Date: January 25, 2012 04:33PM
Well, now we know where JBass has been as of late
__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.
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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
Cool
()
Date: January 25, 2012 04:36PM
With Obama you know these operations are going to go off like clockwork. Someone up there loves thisguy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
friskydingo
()
Date: January 25, 2012 04:37PM
Warhawk Wrote:
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> Well, now we know where JBass has been as of late
haha and ThePackLeader is team leader
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> Well, now we know where JBass has been as of late
haha and ThePackLeader is team leader
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
behonestwtl
()
Date: January 25, 2012 04:40PM
4Freedom Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Fuck YEAH!
>
> That's the way democrats do it! Strategic
> strikes! You fuck with America and we will
> directly take YOU out just like Bin Laden.
>
> Enough of this shit of taking Americans hostage.
It has nothing to do with Dems or GOP. The Team members are the ones that deserve all the credit and its not an issue that should be politicized. He did the right thing by giving them the go ahead but the success is all on the SEALS
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> Fuck YEAH!
>
> That's the way democrats do it! Strategic
> strikes! You fuck with America and we will
> directly take YOU out just like Bin Laden.
>
> Enough of this shit of taking Americans hostage.
It has nothing to do with Dems or GOP. The Team members are the ones that deserve all the credit and its not an issue that should be politicized. He did the right thing by giving them the go ahead but the success is all on the SEALS
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: January 25, 2012 04:50PM
Bush had a chance to take out Bin Laden with Delta Force at Tora Bora. Instead, he chickened out and let the fucker get away for another DECADE! You hear that? A fucking DECADE of freedom!
I don't give credit to Obama for inventing the tool. I give him credit for having the balls to use it.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
I don't give credit to Obama for inventing the tool. I give him credit for having the balls to use it.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
behonestwtl
()
Date: January 25, 2012 05:01PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Bush had a chance to take out Bin Laden with Delta
> Force at Tora Bora. Instead, he chickened out and
> let the fucker get away for another DECADE! You
> hear that? A fucking DECADE of freedom!
>
> I don't give credit to Obama for inventing the
> tool. I give him credit for having the balls to
> use it.
Bush wasnt running the war. And if you want to play that game Clinton had Osama in the 90s and let him go for TWO MORE DECADES. Your hear that? Two more fucking DECASES of freedom!
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> Bush had a chance to take out Bin Laden with Delta
> Force at Tora Bora. Instead, he chickened out and
> let the fucker get away for another DECADE! You
> hear that? A fucking DECADE of freedom!
>
> I don't give credit to Obama for inventing the
> tool. I give him credit for having the balls to
> use it.
Bush wasnt running the war. And if you want to play that game Clinton had Osama in the 90s and let him go for TWO MORE DECADES. Your hear that? Two more fucking DECASES of freedom!
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
Navy Seal
()
Date: January 25, 2012 05:06PM
behonestwtl Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bush had a chance to take out Bin Laden with
> Delta
> > Force at Tora Bora. Instead, he chickened out
> and
> > let the fucker get away for another DECADE! You
> > hear that? A fucking DECADE of freedom!
> >
> > I don't give credit to Obama for inventing the
> > tool. I give him credit for having the balls to
> > use it.
>
>
> Bush wasnt running the war. And if you want to
> play that game Clinton had Osama in the 90s and
> let him go for TWO MORE DECADES. Your hear that?
> Two more fucking DECASES of freedom!
Clinton let him go??? What the fuck are you talking about. Clinton tried to take out Bin Laden twice with cruise missles. Clinton had the balls where Bush just ignored Bin Laden and allowed 9/11 to happen.
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bush had a chance to take out Bin Laden with
> Delta
> > Force at Tora Bora. Instead, he chickened out
> and
> > let the fucker get away for another DECADE! You
> > hear that? A fucking DECADE of freedom!
> >
> > I don't give credit to Obama for inventing the
> > tool. I give him credit for having the balls to
> > use it.
>
>
> Bush wasnt running the war. And if you want to
> play that game Clinton had Osama in the 90s and
> let him go for TWO MORE DECADES. Your hear that?
> Two more fucking DECASES of freedom!
Clinton let him go??? What the fuck are you talking about. Clinton tried to take out Bin Laden twice with cruise missles. Clinton had the balls where Bush just ignored Bin Laden and allowed 9/11 to happen.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
Navy Seal
()
Date: January 25, 2012 05:09PM
WASHINGTON -- Dozens of U.S. cruise missiles struck targets in Afghanistan and the Sudan on Thursday in what President Clinton described as an act of self-defense against imminent terrorist plots and of retribution for the bombings of U.S. embassies in East Africa two weeks ago.
The strikes were launched from ships in the Arabian and Red Seas at dusk. It was not immediately clear whether the raids were a military success. Pentagon officials said that no Americans died but that they had no immediate estimate of other casualties or damage. Early Friday, an Islamic press agency reported 15 deaths from the bombings in Afghanistan.
THE ATTACK
•U.S. Attacks Based on Strong Evidence Against Bin Laden Group
•Attack Aimed 70 Missiles at Targets 2,500 Miles Apart
•In the War Against Terrorism, Any Attack Has Pros and Cons
•Sudan Planned to Make Deadly Nerve Agent, U.S. Says
THE WORLD REACTS
•Most Members of Congress Rally Around Clinton
•U.S. Agents Said to Thwart Bomb Plot Against U.S. Embassy in Albania
•U.S.-Sudanese Tensions Finally Erupt Into Open Warfare
•Mideast Governments Remain Silent About U.S. Attack
•U.S. Warns Americans Abroad to Be More Cautious
PROFILE
•U.S. Sees Bin Laden as Ringleader of Terrorist Network
THE MEDIA
•TV Turns Away From Monica for News of a Different Shock Value
•Is Life Imitating Art? 'Wag the Dog' Springs to Many Minds
ISSUE IN DEPTH
•Embassy Bombings in East Africa
MAPS
•Afghanistan
•Sudan
WEAPONS
•The Tomahawk Missile
PHOTO ESSAY
• U.S. Strikes in Afghanistan and Sudan
VIDEO
President Clinton's National Address
•Pentagon Press Conference
AUDIO
•President Clinton's National Address
•Gen. Hugh Shelton, Joint Chiefs Chairman
•Madeleine Albright, Sec. of State
•Sandy Berger, National Security Adviser
•Arlen Specter, (R) Pennsylvania
FORUM
•Join a discussion on the U.S. Military Strike in Afghanistan
WEB SITES
• U.S. Navy: The Tomahawk Cruise Missile
With about 75 missiles timed to explode simultaneously in unsuspecting countries on two continents, the operation was the most formidable U.S. military assault ever against a private sponsor of terrorism.
The targets were identified by Pentagon officials as an extensive terrorism training complex in Afghanistan, 94 miles south of Kabul, and a factory for the building blocks of chemical weapons near Khartoum, the Sudan.
Clinton and his national security team linked both sites to Osama bin Laden, the exiled Saudi millionaire tied by U.S. intelligence to the twin bombings on Aug. 7 in Kenya and Tanzania. The bombings killed 12 Americans and nearly 300 Africans.
Bin Laden, who is in Afghanistan, apparently survived the attack, which officials insisted was not aimed at him.
"Let our actions today send this message loud and clear," Clinton said in an address from the Oval Office. "There are no expendable American targets. There will be no sanctuary for terrorists."
The president made no apologies for ordering the strikes without permission from Afghanistan or the Sudan, saying, "Countries that persistently host terrorists have no right to be safe havens."
The strikes were launched from ships in the Arabian and Red Seas at dusk. It was not immediately clear whether the raids were a military success. Pentagon officials said that no Americans died but that they had no immediate estimate of other casualties or damage. Early Friday, an Islamic press agency reported 15 deaths from the bombings in Afghanistan.
THE ATTACK
•U.S. Attacks Based on Strong Evidence Against Bin Laden Group
•Attack Aimed 70 Missiles at Targets 2,500 Miles Apart
•In the War Against Terrorism, Any Attack Has Pros and Cons
•Sudan Planned to Make Deadly Nerve Agent, U.S. Says
THE WORLD REACTS
•Most Members of Congress Rally Around Clinton
•U.S. Agents Said to Thwart Bomb Plot Against U.S. Embassy in Albania
•U.S.-Sudanese Tensions Finally Erupt Into Open Warfare
•Mideast Governments Remain Silent About U.S. Attack
•U.S. Warns Americans Abroad to Be More Cautious
PROFILE
•U.S. Sees Bin Laden as Ringleader of Terrorist Network
THE MEDIA
•TV Turns Away From Monica for News of a Different Shock Value
•Is Life Imitating Art? 'Wag the Dog' Springs to Many Minds
ISSUE IN DEPTH
•Embassy Bombings in East Africa
MAPS
•Afghanistan
•Sudan
WEAPONS
•The Tomahawk Missile
PHOTO ESSAY
• U.S. Strikes in Afghanistan and Sudan
VIDEO
President Clinton's National Address
•Pentagon Press Conference
AUDIO
•President Clinton's National Address
•Gen. Hugh Shelton, Joint Chiefs Chairman
•Madeleine Albright, Sec. of State
•Sandy Berger, National Security Adviser
•Arlen Specter, (R) Pennsylvania
FORUM
•Join a discussion on the U.S. Military Strike in Afghanistan
WEB SITES
• U.S. Navy: The Tomahawk Cruise Missile
With about 75 missiles timed to explode simultaneously in unsuspecting countries on two continents, the operation was the most formidable U.S. military assault ever against a private sponsor of terrorism.
The targets were identified by Pentagon officials as an extensive terrorism training complex in Afghanistan, 94 miles south of Kabul, and a factory for the building blocks of chemical weapons near Khartoum, the Sudan.
Clinton and his national security team linked both sites to Osama bin Laden, the exiled Saudi millionaire tied by U.S. intelligence to the twin bombings on Aug. 7 in Kenya and Tanzania. The bombings killed 12 Americans and nearly 300 Africans.
Bin Laden, who is in Afghanistan, apparently survived the attack, which officials insisted was not aimed at him.
"Let our actions today send this message loud and clear," Clinton said in an address from the Oval Office. "There are no expendable American targets. There will be no sanctuary for terrorists."
The president made no apologies for ordering the strikes without permission from Afghanistan or the Sudan, saying, "Countries that persistently host terrorists have no right to be safe havens."
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
behonestwtl
()
Date: January 25, 2012 05:14PM
Navy Seal Wrote:
> Clinton let him go??? What the fuck are you
> talking about. Clinton tried to take out Bin
> Laden twice with cruise missles. Clinton had the
> balls where Bush just ignored Bin Laden and
> allowed 9/11 to happen.
No weisel he didnt, he treated him like a criminal and wanted the FBI to handle it and not the military.
Ive already said its not an issue that should be politicized but you obamaniacs just use everything to try and praise youre great leader
> Clinton let him go??? What the fuck are you
> talking about. Clinton tried to take out Bin
> Laden twice with cruise missles. Clinton had the
> balls where Bush just ignored Bin Laden and
> allowed 9/11 to happen.
No weisel he didnt, he treated him like a criminal and wanted the FBI to handle it and not the military.
Ive already said its not an issue that should be politicized but you obamaniacs just use everything to try and praise youre great leader
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
Cheeto
()
Date: January 25, 2012 05:26PM
friskydingo Wrote:
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> Warhawk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well, now we know where JBass has been as of
> late
>
>
> haha and ThePackLeader is team leader
Mr.Misery is GoTo guy.
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> Warhawk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well, now we know where JBass has been as of
> late
>
>
> haha and ThePackLeader is team leader
Mr.Misery is GoTo guy.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
Vexxxed
()
Date: January 25, 2012 06:50PM
friskydingo Wrote:
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> So I've always wondered something...
>
> Why does the US rescue its citizens that are held
> captive only sometimes? Stories like this are
> rare.. In a lot of similar situations in the past,
> it seemed like the US government could care less
> what happened to hostages.
It's not that they couldn't care less.........it's just that the ones that the don't rescue........really are the spies they've been accused of being.
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> So I've always wondered something...
>
> Why does the US rescue its citizens that are held
> captive only sometimes? Stories like this are
> rare.. In a lot of similar situations in the past,
> it seemed like the US government could care less
> what happened to hostages.
It's not that they couldn't care less.........it's just that the ones that the don't rescue........really are the spies they've been accused of being.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: January 25, 2012 07:08PM
Read the book "Kill Bin Laden." Delta Force was a few hundred yards from Bin Ladrn and going in for the kill when Bush took the unprecedented step of ordering them to stand down. Apparently Rove wanted a photo op of Afghan fighters capturing him. Well, we know how that turned out. Sorry, but any President who would make a call like that doesn't deserve to be called "Commander in Chief." Obama would have ordered Delta Force to finish him off.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
Vexxxed
()
Date: January 25, 2012 09:00PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Read the book "Kill Bin Laden." Delta Force was a
> few hundred yards from Bin Ladrn and going in for
> the kill when Bush took the unprecedented step of
> ordering them to stand down. Apparently Rove
> wanted a photo op of Afghan fighters capturing
> him. Well, we know how that turned out. Sorry, but
> any President who would make a call like that
> doesn't deserve to be called "Commander in Chief."
> Obama would have ordered Delta Force to finish him
> off.
Yeah, we get it. Bush sucks.
And we don't call him commander in chief anymore.
Now explain why we shouldn't give the same treatment to your butt buddy?
He sat on the the knowledge of where bin Laden was for NINE months. For NINE months everyone wanted to pull the trigger but he stalled.
If it was that important to take out bin Laden..........why did he not do so at the first opportunity?
And when exactly should we stop calling him commander in chief over this?
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> Read the book "Kill Bin Laden." Delta Force was a
> few hundred yards from Bin Ladrn and going in for
> the kill when Bush took the unprecedented step of
> ordering them to stand down. Apparently Rove
> wanted a photo op of Afghan fighters capturing
> him. Well, we know how that turned out. Sorry, but
> any President who would make a call like that
> doesn't deserve to be called "Commander in Chief."
> Obama would have ordered Delta Force to finish him
> off.
Yeah, we get it. Bush sucks.
And we don't call him commander in chief anymore.
Now explain why we shouldn't give the same treatment to your butt buddy?
He sat on the the knowledge of where bin Laden was for NINE months. For NINE months everyone wanted to pull the trigger but he stalled.
If it was that important to take out bin Laden..........why did he not do so at the first opportunity?
And when exactly should we stop calling him commander in chief over this?
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
friskydingo
()
Date: January 25, 2012 09:11PM
Vexxxed Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Read the book "Kill Bin Laden." Delta Force was
> a
> > few hundred yards from Bin Ladrn and going in
> for
> > the kill when Bush took the unprecedented step
> of
> > ordering them to stand down. Apparently Rove
> > wanted a photo op of Afghan fighters capturing
> > him. Well, we know how that turned out. Sorry,
> but
> > any President who would make a call like that
> > doesn't deserve to be called "Commander in
> Chief."
> > Obama would have ordered Delta Force to finish
> him
> > off.
>
> Yeah, we get it. Bush sucks.
>
> And we don't call him commander in chief anymore.
>
> Now explain why we shouldn't give the same
> treatment to your butt buddy?
>
> He sat on the the knowledge of where bin Laden was
> for NINE months. For NINE months everyone wanted
> to pull the trigger but he stalled.
>
> If it was that important to take out bin
> Laden..........why did he not do so at the first
> opportunity?
>
> And when exactly should we stop calling him
> commander in chief over this?
I believe they waited 9 months to make sure it was actually Bin Laden in that Pakistani compound.
Didnt wanna tip our hand too soon.
Didn't they say that they had people on the ground and a satalite observing the residence for the 9 months?
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Read the book "Kill Bin Laden." Delta Force was
> a
> > few hundred yards from Bin Ladrn and going in
> for
> > the kill when Bush took the unprecedented step
> of
> > ordering them to stand down. Apparently Rove
> > wanted a photo op of Afghan fighters capturing
> > him. Well, we know how that turned out. Sorry,
> but
> > any President who would make a call like that
> > doesn't deserve to be called "Commander in
> Chief."
> > Obama would have ordered Delta Force to finish
> him
> > off.
>
> Yeah, we get it. Bush sucks.
>
> And we don't call him commander in chief anymore.
>
> Now explain why we shouldn't give the same
> treatment to your butt buddy?
>
> He sat on the the knowledge of where bin Laden was
> for NINE months. For NINE months everyone wanted
> to pull the trigger but he stalled.
>
> If it was that important to take out bin
> Laden..........why did he not do so at the first
> opportunity?
>
> And when exactly should we stop calling him
> commander in chief over this?
I believe they waited 9 months to make sure it was actually Bin Laden in that Pakistani compound.
Didnt wanna tip our hand too soon.
Didn't they say that they had people on the ground and a satalite observing the residence for the 9 months?
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
Dane Bramage
()
Date: January 25, 2012 09:15PM
friskydingo Wrote:
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> So I've always wondered something...
>
> Why does the US rescue its citizens that are held
> captive only sometimes? Stories like this are
> rare.. In a lot of similar situations in the past,
> it seemed like the US government could care less
> what happened to hostages.
It's an election year and takes some attention off the economy.
-------------------------------------------------
“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
-------------------------------------------------------
> So I've always wondered something...
>
> Why does the US rescue its citizens that are held
> captive only sometimes? Stories like this are
> rare.. In a lot of similar situations in the past,
> it seemed like the US government could care less
> what happened to hostages.
It's an election year and takes some attention off the economy.
-------------------------------------------------
“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: January 25, 2012 09:18PM
Given that we couldn't rely on Pakistan or their sources on the ground to verify anything, it probably took 9 months to be absolutely sure.
The difference is Bush ordered Delta Force to kill Bin Laden and then pulled the plug at the last minute for a photo op. This was only a couple of months after 9/11. Who the fuck does that?
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
The difference is Bush ordered Delta Force to kill Bin Laden and then pulled the plug at the last minute for a photo op. This was only a couple of months after 9/11. Who the fuck does that?
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
behonestwtl
()
Date: January 25, 2012 09:26PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Given that we couldn't rely on Pakistan or their
> sources on the ground to verify anything, it
> probably took 9 months to be absolutely sure.
>
> The difference is Bush ordered Delta Force to kill
> Bin Laden and then pulled the plug at the last
> minute for a photo op. This was only a couple of
> months after 9/11. Who the fuck does that?
Except that book has completely different account of what actually happened at Tora Bora than the Nat Geo special with the Delta team that said the Afghans turned on them and would have engaged them if they tried to go in.
But we get it ANYTHING Bush = Bad, ANYTHING good Obama gets credit for.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Given that we couldn't rely on Pakistan or their
> sources on the ground to verify anything, it
> probably took 9 months to be absolutely sure.
>
> The difference is Bush ordered Delta Force to kill
> Bin Laden and then pulled the plug at the last
> minute for a photo op. This was only a couple of
> months after 9/11. Who the fuck does that?
Except that book has completely different account of what actually happened at Tora Bora than the Nat Geo special with the Delta team that said the Afghans turned on them and would have engaged them if they tried to go in.
But we get it ANYTHING Bush = Bad, ANYTHING good Obama gets credit for.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
justsayin
()
Date: January 25, 2012 09:51PM
friskydingo Wrote:
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> So I've always wondered something...
>
> Why does the US rescue its citizens that are held
> captive only sometimes? Stories like this are
> rare.. In a lot of similar situations in the past,
> it seemed like the US government could care less
> what happened to hostages.
If Obama cared less about the hostages in this case he wouldn't have sent the SEALs in. He cared more, so he did.
Risk obviously plays a factor here, this one wasn't a suicide mission.
-------------------------------------------------------
> So I've always wondered something...
>
> Why does the US rescue its citizens that are held
> captive only sometimes? Stories like this are
> rare.. In a lot of similar situations in the past,
> it seemed like the US government could care less
> what happened to hostages.
If Obama cared less about the hostages in this case he wouldn't have sent the SEALs in. He cared more, so he did.
Risk obviously plays a factor here, this one wasn't a suicide mission.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
Dane Bramage
()
Date: January 25, 2012 09:53PM
behonestwtl Wrote:
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>
> But we get it ANYTHING Bush = Bad, ANYTHING good
> Obama gets credit for.
Exactly why Congress can't get anything accomplished. And like my mom used to say, it takes two to fight.
-------------------------------------------------
“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> But we get it ANYTHING Bush = Bad, ANYTHING good
> Obama gets credit for.
Exactly why Congress can't get anything accomplished. And like my mom used to say, it takes two to fight.
-------------------------------------------------
“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
faithfull american
()
Date: January 26, 2012 03:16PM
ferfux Wrote:
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> http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-secur
> ity/us-forces-rescue-kidnapped-aid-workers-jessica
> -buchanan-and-poul-hagen-thisted-in-somalia/2012/0
> 1/25/gIQA7WopPQ_story.html?hpid=z1
>
>
>
> U.S. forces rescue kidnapped aid workers Jessica
> Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted in Somalia
>
> AP - Jessica Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted, two
> aid workers, were freed from Somalia after a raid
> by U.S. special operations forces.
>
> U.S. special operations forces stormed an outdoor
> encampment in Somalia early Wednesday, rescuing a
> kidnapped American aid worker and her Danish
> colleague and killing nine men who held them
> captive, officials said.
>
> Jessica Buchanan, 32, who is originally from Ohio,
> and Poul Hagen Thisted, 60, were abducted Oct. 25
> by a group of armed men in Galkayo, a sleepy
> regional capital in north-central Somalia.
They make the news now but you do not hear about the 77 failed missions where they make things worse and people died.
-------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-secur
> ity/us-forces-rescue-kidnapped-aid-workers-jessica
> -buchanan-and-poul-hagen-thisted-in-somalia/2012/0
> 1/25/gIQA7WopPQ_story.html?hpid=z1
>
>
>
> U.S. forces rescue kidnapped aid workers Jessica
> Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted in Somalia
>
> AP - Jessica Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted, two
> aid workers, were freed from Somalia after a raid
> by U.S. special operations forces.
>
> U.S. special operations forces stormed an outdoor
> encampment in Somalia early Wednesday, rescuing a
> kidnapped American aid worker and her Danish
> colleague and killing nine men who held them
> captive, officials said.
>
> Jessica Buchanan, 32, who is originally from Ohio,
> and Poul Hagen Thisted, 60, were abducted Oct. 25
> by a group of armed men in Galkayo, a sleepy
> regional capital in north-central Somalia.
They make the news now but you do not hear about the 77 failed missions where they make things worse and people died.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
A lot o fmissions
()
Date: January 26, 2012 03:22PM
Are successful yet they are kept underwraps, you'd be shocked to find out what goes on that never makes the news. These guys deserve a lot of credit and respect, I used to see them train in Coronado, CA. They are like the MarinesX20.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
NumberNines
()
Date: January 26, 2012 03:28PM
Cool Wrote:
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> With Obama you know these operations are going to
> go off like clockwork. Someone up there loves
> thisguy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I seriously doubt Obama had anything to do with this operation other
than signing off with the JCS. He wouldn't even know how to tie a
pair of combat boots.
-------------------------------------------------------
> With Obama you know these operations are going to
> go off like clockwork. Someone up there loves
> thisguy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I seriously doubt Obama had anything to do with this operation other
than signing off with the JCS. He wouldn't even know how to tie a
pair of combat boots.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
BlackOPS
()
Date: January 26, 2012 03:28PM
Covert or Black OPs always work better under Democratic presidents. Republican presidents usually choose to invade a country because they can create jobs and prop the US economy up by spending taxpayer dollars on a war. Oldest republican trick in the book is to start a war some place.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
behonestwtl
()
Date: January 26, 2012 03:30PM
A lot o fmissions Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Are successful yet they are kept underwraps, you'd
> be shocked to find out what goes on that never
> makes the news. These guys deserve a lot of
> credit and respect, I used to see them train in
> Coronado, CA. They are like the MarinesX20.
Very true. Theres a reason BUDs classes have over a 50 percent drop out rate and thats after being hand picked for the classes in the first place. Its almost unbelievable what those guys go through in training.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Are successful yet they are kept underwraps, you'd
> be shocked to find out what goes on that never
> makes the news. These guys deserve a lot of
> credit and respect, I used to see them train in
> Coronado, CA. They are like the MarinesX20.
Very true. Theres a reason BUDs classes have over a 50 percent drop out rate and thats after being hand picked for the classes in the first place. Its almost unbelievable what those guys go through in training.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
Don't the Marines
()
Date: January 26, 2012 03:47PM
behonestwtl Wrote:
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> A lot o fmissions Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Are successful yet they are kept underwraps,
> you'd
> > be shocked to find out what goes on that never
> > makes the news. These guys deserve a lot of
> > credit and respect, I used to see them train in
> > Coronado, CA. They are like the MarinesX20.
>
> Very true. Theres a reason BUDs classes have over
> a 50 percent drop out rate and thats after being
> hand picked for the classes in the first place.
> Its almost unbelievable what those guys go through
> in training.
Have an outfit like the SEALs, Forced Recon. or something? Like Delta team.
-------------------------------------------------------
> A lot o fmissions Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Are successful yet they are kept underwraps,
> you'd
> > be shocked to find out what goes on that never
> > makes the news. These guys deserve a lot of
> > credit and respect, I used to see them train in
> > Coronado, CA. They are like the MarinesX20.
>
> Very true. Theres a reason BUDs classes have over
> a 50 percent drop out rate and thats after being
> hand picked for the classes in the first place.
> Its almost unbelievable what those guys go through
> in training.
Have an outfit like the SEALs, Forced Recon. or something? Like Delta team.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
Pinhead the Cenobite
()
Date: January 26, 2012 03:47PM
BlackOPS Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Covert or Black OPs always work better under
> Democratic presidents. Republican presidents
> usually choose to invade a country because they
> can create jobs and prop the US economy up by
> spending taxpayer dollars on a war. Oldest
> republican trick in the book is to start a war
> some place.
Jimmy Carter's rescue raid with the Iran hostages went swimmingly!
-----------------------------------------------
"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"
-------------------------------------------------------
> Covert or Black OPs always work better under
> Democratic presidents. Republican presidents
> usually choose to invade a country because they
> can create jobs and prop the US economy up by
> spending taxpayer dollars on a war. Oldest
> republican trick in the book is to start a war
> some place.
Jimmy Carter's rescue raid with the Iran hostages went swimmingly!
-----------------------------------------------
"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
Ivan
()
Date: January 26, 2012 03:49PM
behonestwtl Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> A lot o fmissions Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Are successful yet they are kept underwraps,
> you'd
> > be shocked to find out what goes on that never
> > makes the news. These guys deserve a lot of
> > credit and respect, I used to see them train in
> > Coronado, CA. They are like the MarinesX20.
>
> Very true. Theres a reason BUDs classes have over
> a 50 percent drop out rate and thats after being
> hand picked for the classes in the first place.
> Its almost unbelievable what those guys go through
> in training.
I could probably make it if not for the cold water training. I would fail that.
-------------------------------------------------------
> A lot o fmissions Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Are successful yet they are kept underwraps,
> you'd
> > be shocked to find out what goes on that never
> > makes the news. These guys deserve a lot of
> > credit and respect, I used to see them train in
> > Coronado, CA. They are like the MarinesX20.
>
> Very true. Theres a reason BUDs classes have over
> a 50 percent drop out rate and thats after being
> hand picked for the classes in the first place.
> Its almost unbelievable what those guys go through
> in training.
I could probably make it if not for the cold water training. I would fail that.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
behonestwtl
()
Date: January 26, 2012 03:55PM
Don't the Marines Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> behonestwtl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A lot o fmissions Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Are successful yet they are kept underwraps,
> > you'd
> > > be shocked to find out what goes on that
> never
> > > makes the news. These guys deserve a lot of
> > > credit and respect, I used to see them train
> in
> > > Coronado, CA. They are like the MarinesX20.
> >
> > Very true. Theres a reason BUDs classes have
> over
> > a 50 percent drop out rate and thats after
> being
> > hand picked for the classes in the first place.
>
> > Its almost unbelievable what those guys go
> through
> > in training.
>
>
> Have an outfit like the SEALs, Forced Recon. or
> something? Like Delta team.
They do the marine ones are force recon, army is green beret, navy seals, air force has the pjs, and delta is pulls from all of them for who they want. Theyre all pretty similar in the fact that they all are extremely highly trained. They all have their specialties that they may be better at than some of the other ones, although the pjs are mostly for search and rescue which is the one difference with them and the other specops.
-------------------------------------------------------
> behonestwtl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A lot o fmissions Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Are successful yet they are kept underwraps,
> > you'd
> > > be shocked to find out what goes on that
> never
> > > makes the news. These guys deserve a lot of
> > > credit and respect, I used to see them train
> in
> > > Coronado, CA. They are like the MarinesX20.
> >
> > Very true. Theres a reason BUDs classes have
> over
> > a 50 percent drop out rate and thats after
> being
> > hand picked for the classes in the first place.
>
> > Its almost unbelievable what those guys go
> through
> > in training.
>
>
> Have an outfit like the SEALs, Forced Recon. or
> something? Like Delta team.
They do the marine ones are force recon, army is green beret, navy seals, air force has the pjs, and delta is pulls from all of them for who they want. Theyre all pretty similar in the fact that they all are extremely highly trained. They all have their specialties that they may be better at than some of the other ones, although the pjs are mostly for search and rescue which is the one difference with them and the other specops.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
behonestwtl
()
Date: January 26, 2012 03:58PM
Ivan Wrote:
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> I could probably make it if not for the cold water
> training. I would fail that.
no offense but seal training isnt really something ill believe that for. its one of those things were you expect everyone to fail and the ones that dont had proved you wrong. Hell week is claims a lot of the drop outs. Even if you get through buds its like 18 months minimum of training before youd have a chance at getting deployed with a team.
Theres a great dvd series called BUDS something that follows a seal class through the training and gives a nice inside glimpse at some of the stuff they go through.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I could probably make it if not for the cold water
> training. I would fail that.
no offense but seal training isnt really something ill believe that for. its one of those things were you expect everyone to fail and the ones that dont had proved you wrong. Hell week is claims a lot of the drop outs. Even if you get through buds its like 18 months minimum of training before youd have a chance at getting deployed with a team.
Theres a great dvd series called BUDS something that follows a seal class through the training and gives a nice inside glimpse at some of the stuff they go through.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
What about Coast Guard????
()
Date: January 26, 2012 03:58PM
behonestwtl Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Don't the Marines Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > behonestwtl Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > A lot o fmissions Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Are successful yet they are kept
> underwraps,
> > > you'd
> > > > be shocked to find out what goes on that
> > never
> > > > makes the news. These guys deserve a lot
> of
> > > > credit and respect, I used to see them
> train
> > in
> > > > Coronado, CA. They are like the
> MarinesX20.
> > >
> > > Very true. Theres a reason BUDs classes have
> > over
> > > a 50 percent drop out rate and thats after
> > being
> > > hand picked for the classes in the first
> place.
> >
> > > Its almost unbelievable what those guys go
> > through
> > > in training.
> >
> >
> > Have an outfit like the SEALs, Forced Recon. or
> > something? Like Delta team.
>
> They do the marine ones are force recon, army is
> green beret, navy seals, air force has the pjs,
> and delta is pulls from all of them for who they
> want. Theyre all pretty similar in the fact that
> they all are extremely highly trained. They all
> have their specialties that they may be better at
> than some of the other ones, although the pjs are
> mostly for search and rescue which is the one
> difference with them and the other specops.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Don't the Marines Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > behonestwtl Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > A lot o fmissions Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Are successful yet they are kept
> underwraps,
> > > you'd
> > > > be shocked to find out what goes on that
> > never
> > > > makes the news. These guys deserve a lot
> of
> > > > credit and respect, I used to see them
> train
> > in
> > > > Coronado, CA. They are like the
> MarinesX20.
> > >
> > > Very true. Theres a reason BUDs classes have
> > over
> > > a 50 percent drop out rate and thats after
> > being
> > > hand picked for the classes in the first
> place.
> >
> > > Its almost unbelievable what those guys go
> > through
> > > in training.
> >
> >
> > Have an outfit like the SEALs, Forced Recon. or
> > something? Like Delta team.
>
> They do the marine ones are force recon, army is
> green beret, navy seals, air force has the pjs,
> and delta is pulls from all of them for who they
> want. Theyre all pretty similar in the fact that
> they all are extremely highly trained. They all
> have their specialties that they may be better at
> than some of the other ones, although the pjs are
> mostly for search and rescue which is the one
> difference with them and the other specops.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
behonestwtl
()
Date: January 26, 2012 04:01PM
What about Coast Guard???? Wrote:
Theyre version would be a rescue swimmer. But they dont have the combat training, explosives training, parachute training...ect that the true specops do. Theyre 100 percent rescue operations
Theyre version would be a rescue swimmer. But they dont have the combat training, explosives training, parachute training...ect that the true specops do. Theyre 100 percent rescue operations
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
The only easy day was yesterday
()
Date: January 26, 2012 04:06PM
Ivan Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> behonestwtl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A lot o fmissions Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Are successful yet they are kept underwraps,
> > you'd
> > > be shocked to find out what goes on that
> never
> > > makes the news. These guys deserve a lot of
> > > credit and respect, I used to see them train
> in
> > > Coronado, CA. They are like the MarinesX20.
> >
> > Very true. Theres a reason BUDs classes have
> over
> > a 50 percent drop out rate and thats after
> being
> > hand picked for the classes in the first place.
>
> > Its almost unbelievable what those guys go
> through
> > in training.
>
>
> I could probably make it if not for the cold water
> training. I would fail that.
Cold water training is what washes out most recruits. Water off of Coronado is freakin' cold - even during the summer where it only gets "tepid". I'd remember summers where it wouldn't even get to 70 off Pacific Beach.
The dropout rate for Seal recruit classes is much higher in winter months when the water is 52 degrees than the summer when its 67 or 70 degrees.
-------------------------------------------------------
> behonestwtl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A lot o fmissions Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Are successful yet they are kept underwraps,
> > you'd
> > > be shocked to find out what goes on that
> never
> > > makes the news. These guys deserve a lot of
> > > credit and respect, I used to see them train
> in
> > > Coronado, CA. They are like the MarinesX20.
> >
> > Very true. Theres a reason BUDs classes have
> over
> > a 50 percent drop out rate and thats after
> being
> > hand picked for the classes in the first place.
>
> > Its almost unbelievable what those guys go
> through
> > in training.
>
>
> I could probably make it if not for the cold water
> training. I would fail that.
Cold water training is what washes out most recruits. Water off of Coronado is freakin' cold - even during the summer where it only gets "tepid". I'd remember summers where it wouldn't even get to 70 off Pacific Beach.
The dropout rate for Seal recruit classes is much higher in winter months when the water is 52 degrees than the summer when its 67 or 70 degrees.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
behonestwtl
()
Date: January 26, 2012 04:10PM
The only easy day was yesterday Wrote:
> Cold water training is what washes out most
> recruits. Water off of Coronado is freakin' cold
> - even during the summer where it only gets
> "tepid". I'd remember summers where it wouldn't
> even get to 70 off Pacific Beach.
>
> The dropout rate for Seal recruit classes is much
> higher in winter months when the water is 52
> degrees than the summer when its 67 or 70 degrees.
Also a great point. Really the only thing that can make seal training suck more is being in a winter class. It especially sucks if you get sent to a winter class as an Officer since enlisted are allowed to reapply every 2 years while Officers get 1 shot and one shot only to make it
> Cold water training is what washes out most
> recruits. Water off of Coronado is freakin' cold
> - even during the summer where it only gets
> "tepid". I'd remember summers where it wouldn't
> even get to 70 off Pacific Beach.
>
> The dropout rate for Seal recruit classes is much
> higher in winter months when the water is 52
> degrees than the summer when its 67 or 70 degrees.
Also a great point. Really the only thing that can make seal training suck more is being in a winter class. It especially sucks if you get sent to a winter class as an Officer since enlisted are allowed to reapply every 2 years while Officers get 1 shot and one shot only to make it
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
sanderson
()
Date: January 26, 2012 04:12PM
I used to live near Coronado, I would go to the beach at Hotel Del-Coronado, that was near the SEAL's compound. The water was extremely cold, you could see sometimes a dead sea lion on the3 beach. The SEAL team was always working out, they had a big obstacle course with ropes and climbing walls. They would hang out at a bar near Coronado Park, across from the Library. They were not like super muscular, but very hard looking, like wiry.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
ferfux
()
Date: January 26, 2012 05:56PM
faithfull american Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> ferfux Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-secur
>
> >
> ity/us-forces-rescue-kidnapped-aid-workers-jessica
>
> >
> -buchanan-and-poul-hagen-thisted-in-somalia/2012/0
>
> > 1/25/gIQA7WopPQ_story.html?hpid=z1
> >
> >
> >
> > U.S. forces rescue kidnapped aid workers
> Jessica
> > Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted in Somalia
> >
> > AP - Jessica Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted,
> two
> > aid workers, were freed from Somalia after a
> raid
> > by U.S. special operations forces.
> >
> > U.S. special operations forces stormed an
> outdoor
> > encampment in Somalia early Wednesday, rescuing
> a
> > kidnapped American aid worker and her Danish
> > colleague and killing nine men who held them
> > captive, officials said.
> >
> > Jessica Buchanan, 32, who is originally from
> Ohio,
> > and Poul Hagen Thisted, 60, were abducted Oct.
> 25
> > by a group of armed men in Galkayo, a sleepy
> > regional capital in north-central Somalia.
>
>
> They make the news now but you do not hear about
> the 77 failed missions where they make things
> worse and people died.
what 77 failed missions? and how would YOU know?
-------------------------------------------------------
> ferfux Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-secur
>
> >
> ity/us-forces-rescue-kidnapped-aid-workers-jessica
>
> >
> -buchanan-and-poul-hagen-thisted-in-somalia/2012/0
>
> > 1/25/gIQA7WopPQ_story.html?hpid=z1
> >
> >
> >
> > U.S. forces rescue kidnapped aid workers
> Jessica
> > Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted in Somalia
> >
> > AP - Jessica Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted,
> two
> > aid workers, were freed from Somalia after a
> raid
> > by U.S. special operations forces.
> >
> > U.S. special operations forces stormed an
> outdoor
> > encampment in Somalia early Wednesday, rescuing
> a
> > kidnapped American aid worker and her Danish
> > colleague and killing nine men who held them
> > captive, officials said.
> >
> > Jessica Buchanan, 32, who is originally from
> Ohio,
> > and Poul Hagen Thisted, 60, were abducted Oct.
> 25
> > by a group of armed men in Galkayo, a sleepy
> > regional capital in north-central Somalia.
>
>
> They make the news now but you do not hear about
> the 77 failed missions where they make things
> worse and people died.
what 77 failed missions? and how would YOU know?
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
abner
()
Date: January 26, 2012 06:18PM
ferfux Wrote:
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> faithfull american Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ferfux Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-secur
>
> >
> > >
> >
> ity/us-forces-rescue-kidnapped-aid-workers-jessica
>
> >
> > >
> >
> -buchanan-and-poul-hagen-thisted-in-somalia/2012/0
>
> >
> > > 1/25/gIQA7WopPQ_story.html?hpid=z1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > U.S. forces rescue kidnapped aid workers
> > Jessica
> > > Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted in Somalia
> > >
> > > AP - Jessica Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted,
> > two
> > > aid workers, were freed from Somalia after a
> > raid
> > > by U.S. special operations forces.
> > >
> > > U.S. special operations forces stormed an
> > outdoor
> > > encampment in Somalia early Wednesday,
> rescuing
> > a
> > > kidnapped American aid worker and her Danish
> > > colleague and killing nine men who held them
> > > captive, officials said.
> > >
> > > Jessica Buchanan, 32, who is originally from
> > Ohio,
> > > and Poul Hagen Thisted, 60, were abducted
> Oct.
> > 25
> > > by a group of armed men in Galkayo, a sleepy
> > > regional capital in north-central Somalia.
> >
> >
> > They make the news now but you do not hear
> about
> > the 77 failed missions where they make things
> > worse and people died.
>
>
> what 77 failed missions? and how would YOU know?
He's pulling numbers out of the sky.
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> faithfull american Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ferfux Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-secur
>
> >
> > >
> >
> ity/us-forces-rescue-kidnapped-aid-workers-jessica
>
> >
> > >
> >
> -buchanan-and-poul-hagen-thisted-in-somalia/2012/0
>
> >
> > > 1/25/gIQA7WopPQ_story.html?hpid=z1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > U.S. forces rescue kidnapped aid workers
> > Jessica
> > > Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted in Somalia
> > >
> > > AP - Jessica Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted,
> > two
> > > aid workers, were freed from Somalia after a
> > raid
> > > by U.S. special operations forces.
> > >
> > > U.S. special operations forces stormed an
> > outdoor
> > > encampment in Somalia early Wednesday,
> rescuing
> > a
> > > kidnapped American aid worker and her Danish
> > > colleague and killing nine men who held them
> > > captive, officials said.
> > >
> > > Jessica Buchanan, 32, who is originally from
> > Ohio,
> > > and Poul Hagen Thisted, 60, were abducted
> Oct.
> > 25
> > > by a group of armed men in Galkayo, a sleepy
> > > regional capital in north-central Somalia.
> >
> >
> > They make the news now but you do not hear
> about
> > the 77 failed missions where they make things
> > worse and people died.
>
>
> what 77 failed missions? and how would YOU know?
He's pulling numbers out of the sky.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
behonestwtl
()
Date: January 26, 2012 06:42PM
abner Wrote:
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>
> He's pulling numbers out of the sky.
Im assuming he was trying to make a point that most hostage rescues are unsuccessful Which is true in general but thats also because most hostages are never located before they are killed
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>
> He's pulling numbers out of the sky.
Im assuming he was trying to make a point that most hostage rescues are unsuccessful Which is true in general but thats also because most hostages are never located before they are killed
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
Conie
()
Date: January 26, 2012 06:53PM
Who were they? Wrote:
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> Americans need to stay out of these derelict
> countries, the saying "I'm a citizen of the
> world", is pretty out of touch in this world. i
> can see if they were aid workers, Doctors or
> Business type, but tourist are asking for it.
They WERE aid workers...working with a demining unit.
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> Americans need to stay out of these derelict
> countries, the saying "I'm a citizen of the
> world", is pretty out of touch in this world. i
> can see if they were aid workers, Doctors or
> Business type, but tourist are asking for it.
They WERE aid workers...working with a demining unit.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
silent sam
()
Date: January 26, 2012 07:41PM
I am thankful light has been shown on the Seal Teams work and what it takes to make their team. I work with a guy who was always bragging he had been a Seal Team member and how many people he took out but wasnt allowed to talk about.
Since the Seals got more publicity he had kept his mouth shut but he was finally exposed as a phony. He was an armorer in the military but was never close to being a Seal.
Since the Seals got more publicity he had kept his mouth shut but he was finally exposed as a phony. He was an armorer in the military but was never close to being a Seal.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
behonestwtl
()
Date: January 26, 2012 07:45PM
silent sam Wrote:
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> I am thankful light has been shown on the Seal
> Teams work and what it takes to make their team. I
> work with a guy who was always bragging he had
> been a Seal Team member and how many people he
> took out but wasnt allowed to talk about.
>
> Since the Seals got more publicity he had kept his
> mouth shut but he was finally exposed as a phony.
> He was an armorer in the military but was never
> close to being a Seal.
Theres websites where you can report people who claim to be seals and real former seals will look into it. Contrary to popular belief there are no "secret" buds classes and claiming to be a seal is by far the most forged job in the military.
The majority of real seals would talk about it some if asked as long as you arent asking about specifics or operations, but they wouldnt be going around making it known at every chance they can and bragging about how many people they killed. Real seals dont do it for the fame and they are a special breed of people for sure.
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> I am thankful light has been shown on the Seal
> Teams work and what it takes to make their team. I
> work with a guy who was always bragging he had
> been a Seal Team member and how many people he
> took out but wasnt allowed to talk about.
>
> Since the Seals got more publicity he had kept his
> mouth shut but he was finally exposed as a phony.
> He was an armorer in the military but was never
> close to being a Seal.
Theres websites where you can report people who claim to be seals and real former seals will look into it. Contrary to popular belief there are no "secret" buds classes and claiming to be a seal is by far the most forged job in the military.
The majority of real seals would talk about it some if asked as long as you arent asking about specifics or operations, but they wouldnt be going around making it known at every chance they can and bragging about how many people they killed. Real seals dont do it for the fame and they are a special breed of people for sure.
Re: SEAL team 6 Does it again.
Posted by:
My supervisor
()
Date: January 26, 2012 07:50PM
behonestwtl Wrote:
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> silent sam Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am thankful light has been shown on the Seal
> > Teams work and what it takes to make their team.
> I
> > work with a guy who was always bragging he had
> > been a Seal Team member and how many people he
> > took out but wasnt allowed to talk about.
> >
> > Since the Seals got more publicity he had kept
> his
> > mouth shut but he was finally exposed as a
> phony.
> > He was an armorer in the military but was never
> > close to being a Seal.
>
>
> Theres websites where you can report people who
> claim to be seals and real former seals will look
> into it. Contrary to popular belief there are no
> "secret" buds classes and claiming to be a seal is
> by far the most forged job in the military.
>
> The majority of real seals would talk about it
> some if asked as long as you arent asking about
> specifics or operations, but they wouldnt be going
> around making it known at every chance they can
> and bragging about how many people they killed.
> Real seals dont do it for the fame and they are a
> special breed of people for sure.
My supervisor was a SEAL back in the 90s. He would break it off if you brought up the subject, he told me he found it annoying that people would enquire about it.
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> silent sam Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am thankful light has been shown on the Seal
> > Teams work and what it takes to make their team.
> I
> > work with a guy who was always bragging he had
> > been a Seal Team member and how many people he
> > took out but wasnt allowed to talk about.
> >
> > Since the Seals got more publicity he had kept
> his
> > mouth shut but he was finally exposed as a
> phony.
> > He was an armorer in the military but was never
> > close to being a Seal.
>
>
> Theres websites where you can report people who
> claim to be seals and real former seals will look
> into it. Contrary to popular belief there are no
> "secret" buds classes and claiming to be a seal is
> by far the most forged job in the military.
>
> The majority of real seals would talk about it
> some if asked as long as you arent asking about
> specifics or operations, but they wouldnt be going
> around making it known at every chance they can
> and bragging about how many people they killed.
> Real seals dont do it for the fame and they are a
> special breed of people for sure.
My supervisor was a SEAL back in the 90s. He would break it off if you brought up the subject, he told me he found it annoying that people would enquire about it.