Why is it nobody is wanting to see Obama's tax return from last year?? Are they picking on Mitt Romney because he is white? Where is Al Sharpton and PETA when you need them? Honestly, I don't really care but why are they making a big fuss about Romney's taxes anyways? Is he not claiming all of his Mormon wifes as dependents or something? Please fill me in...

oh ts you funny

I wish they'd shut their mouth till Mitt or Newt wins the nomination.

10 years of their tax return will sink either candidate.

Obama released 8years of taxes '00-'08

It also took him 3 years to fake a birth certificate.

lulz

Bet Obama paid more taxes than Mitt did,,,

Like I said before, it's not how much he earned, it's the tax rate he paid that is EVEN PISSING OFF REPUBLICAN VOTERS,,,

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> Bet Obama paid more taxes than Mitt did,,,
>
> Like I said before, it's not how much he earned,
> it's the tax rate he paid that is EVEN PISSING OFF
> REPUBLICAN VOTERS,,,


Its not pissing off republicans at all. He paid what was require of him and gave a ton to charities. Obama gave 1 percent to charity. He seems to only want to be generous with other peoples money.

15% or whatever it was... is a lot of money to give to charity.

Mitt gave ~14% of his cash to charity. Most of that was tithing to the "mormans"

Or were you implying taxes are giving to charity. I'm implying you're an idiot.

behonestwtl Wrote:
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> Its not pissing off republicans at all.

Look at you, speaking for all Repugs.

> He paid what was require of him

Which was not enough.

> and gave a ton to charities.

Willard tithed to his church (or cult, I'm really not sure).
It's more of an 'admission fee' than a 'charitable contribution'.

behonestwtl Wrote:
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> Hatemotor Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bet Obama paid more taxes than Mitt did,,,
> >
> > Like I said before, it's not how much he
> earned,
> > it's the tax rate he paid that is EVEN PISSING
> OFF
> > REPUBLICAN VOTERS,,,
>
>
> Its not pissing off republicans at all. He paid
> what was require of him and gave a ton to
> charities. Obama gave 1 percent to charity. He
> seems to only want to be generous with other
> peoples money.


The voters in South Carolina said it affected their opinion in exit polls,,,

Romney paid 15% which is exaclty what is required on long term capital gains and dividends. What is the big deal?
People need to stop buying into Obamas class warfare. How many of you paid a higher percentage than required? None I suspect.

Ummm, point of order,,, Newt brought it up,,,haven't seen Obama at the GOP debates,,,

Why is Romney's requirement lower than mine.

Because his ilk has bought the privilege at the middle classes expense.

Wealth disparity causes unstable societies. Somthing has to change, maybe some blood (figuratively) needs to be spilled.

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> Ummm, point of order,,, Newt brought it
> up,,,haven't seen Obama at the GOP debates,,,


And Newt was wrong for bringing that up. On the positive side itll get hammered to death for now and in a few months people will be sick of hearing it.

But H R was right no one pays more than they are required to by law and people that get upset about that are misguided at best. The worst part is the people that care the most are probably the ones who pay no taxes and if you dont pay any you have 0 right to say someone elses rate is to low

Atom Wrote:
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> Why is Romney's requirement lower than mine.
>
> Because his ilk has bought the privilege at the
> middle classes expense.
>
> Wealth disparity causes unstable societies.
> Somthing has to change, maybe some blood
> (figuratively) needs to be spilled.


His rate is the exact same rate your money in the stock market gets taxed at.

It has nothing to do with him buying a lower rate. It has to do with how the money is made.

If you wanted to make money risking it on investments you could enjoy that too.

I also like how it was left out he also gave millions to charity

Sounds great. Wall street has done so well for the average American.

It wasn't left out, and not everyone (especially narrow minded republican base) considers LDS charity.


Do you feel wealth disparity is a problem? Was it a problem in Libya?

Atom Wrote:
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> Sounds great. Wall street has done so well for
> the average American.
>
> It wasn't left out, and not everyone (especially
> narrow minded republican base) considers LDS
> charity.
>
>
> Do you feel wealth disparity is a problem? Was it
> a problem in Libya?

Not all his charity donations went to LDS but ALL churches in the US (maybe not all not sure about sciencetology if you count that) have programs run for the poor. Seems youre the one being narrow minded about LDS

Youre free to invest money if you want to take the risk.

Yea lets compare ourselfs to Libya we have a lot in common right. You know what the problem in Libya was, a brutal dictatorship.

Yea lets just take all the money from the rich thats how we will stay the best country on earth and successful. I love how you have no problem taking things from others to benefit yourself

A brutal dictatorship is a slippery slope away from what we are talking about.

When a few poses most of the resources they end up with a revolt.

Hopefully our society is advanced enough to settle the wealth disparity without violence, but the wealthy have to agree to pay their fare share.

How would you suggest we close the highest wealth disparity since the one that caused the great depression?

Atom Wrote:
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> A brutal dictatorship is a slippery slope away
> from what we are talking about.
>
> When a few poses most of the resources they end up
> with a revolt.
>
> Hopefully our society is advanced enough to settle
> the wealth disparity without violence, but the
> wealthy have to agree to pay their fare share.
>
> How would you suggest we close the highest wealth
> disparity since the one that caused the great
> depression?


We got problems, but we are much further away than a slippery slope away from being remotely close to anything like those dictatorships.

The wealthy do pay their fair share, they pay 90 percent of all taxes. Half the country doesnt pay taxes at all. Wheres the outcry for that half to pay their "fair share". There isnt because its those people who expect for others to take care of the problem. If we were really talking about being fair everyone would contribute as it is everyones country. But we arent talking about fairness. "Fair share" is just a term that hides the fact they just want to take money from people who earned it. The vast majority of wealthy people worked hard to get where they are and spent several years in school or had a great idea. Hollywood is a different story, but thats the supply and demand part of capitalism.

Spending needs to be reduced bottom line. Theres definitely fat that can be trimmed from the budget with wasteful projects like the airfield in alaska that leads to no where. You could take every dollar from everyone in the country and make a big dent in the deficit, but then what no one has money and your long term revenue is gone. Start taking to much, people stop working that dont have to/moving some where else ect. Every long term solution requires spending to be curtailed, but people just want stuff for free and actually talking about real solutions doesnt get you elected unfortunately.

The disparity isnt the issue. You take the money away from the wealthy and retail jobs will fall fast. If no one has money to spend a lot of jobs will disappear. What we need to do is get the unemployed people back working again.

The real issue though is this sense of entitlement everyone has thinking theyre entitled to be like the rich and entitled to take the riches money for their own good. Not everyone will be able to come up with a great idea to make tons and tons of money like a facebook or apple ect. Some people will and we will all benefit from it. But instead of always talking about what we can do to take the money away and lower the upper class down to everyone elses level, people should be striving to raise themselves up to that level. For once lets raise the bar and not lower it

I only read the first sentence because it's bullshit,,,

EVERYONE PAYS TAXES, Not everyone, including 15 of the biggest corps in this country, pays INCOME TAX,,,

The difference is, the corporations, thanks to their lobbyists, GET money from the Gov't AND don't pay taxes,,,

Next point,,,


"The disparity isnt the issue. You take the money away from the wealthy and retail jobs will fall fast. If no one has money to spend a lot of jobs will disappear. What we need to do is get the unemployed people back working again."


That small group of consumers cannot buy enough or produce enough jobs to create a recovery,,,you need the MAJORITY to buy stuff and create businesses that will employ people,, not 1 fuckin % of the population,,,

Nobody's buying your bullshit.

It costs alot of money to get elected president, and a ton of money to draft legislation.

Quid pro quo. Those dollars have bought alot of loopholes since 1980. Enough that it's begining to affect the quality of our nation.

The only thing the middle-class is entitled to is an even playing field.

And you spend your way out of a recession. Just look at government spending as a percentage of GDP during the turn of the 20th century and the 1940s it was up over 60%. Now it's a little over 40%. This whole "don't spend, oh no the debt" drivel is a tactic invented by lobbyist like dik Armey to try and stahl the recovery to oust the democrates so the republicans can keep coddling their wealthy contributors.

The tea party is a bunch of Midwest morons are either payed by lobbyist or are to stupid to know they should be.

I hope to god this cast of republican contenders are inept enough to tank these evil plans.

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> I only read the first sentence because it's
> bullshit,,,
>
> EVERYONE PAYS TAXES, Not everyone, including 15 of
> the biggest corps in this country, pays INCOME
> TAX,,,
>
> The difference is, the corporations, thanks to
> their lobbyists, GET money from the Gov't AND
> don't pay taxes,,,

The only thing thats bullshit is what you just said. Corporations pay taxes. We have the HIGHEST CORPORATE TAX RATE IN THE WORLD. Japan was higher but dropped theirs leaving the USA with the highest.
They only way they dont is through write offs.

And no not everyone files taxes. 46 percent of people were exempt from federal income tax last year.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/28/46-percent-of-americans-e_n_886293.html

Theres even a liberal source for you so you cant say its just GOP bullshit.

Our corporate tax rate is 39.2 percent. Only 5 other nations have a rate of 30 percent or higher and no other nation has a rate above 35 percent.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/feb/21/corporation-tax-rates-world

This is the type of thinking im talking about thats the problem. People having a distorted sense of who actually pays what and demonizing things that are successful. Guess what without corporations The majority of the country is out of work. How is that a good thing?

Sorry edit Japan is right there with us so one other nation has a tax rate above 35 percent for corporations. It says its higher in that chart since that was from last Feb.

No corp pays that rate, there are tons of loopholes,,,

15 of the biggest Corps in this country that made billions in profits PAID NOTHING and received money from the Gov't

I've posted the link to that so many times argueing with you IT'S RIDICULOUS,,,

You only argue your tallking points EVERY THREAD, ignoring facts that are presented to you,,,

If you BUY ANYTHING YOU PAY TAXES,,,

Atom Wrote:
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> Nobody's buying your bullshit.
>
> It costs alot of money to get elected president,
> and a ton of money to draft legislation.
>
> Quid pro quo. Those dollars have bought alot of
> loopholes since 1980. Enough that it's begining
> to affect the quality of our nation.
>
> The only thing the middle-class is entitled to is
> an even playing field.
>
> And you spend your way out of a recession. Just
> look at government spending as a percentage of GDP
> during the turn of the 20th century and the 1940s
> it was up over 60%. Now it's a little over 40%.
> This whole "don't spend, oh no the debt" drivel is
> a tactic invented by lobbyist like dik Armey to
> try and stahl the recovery to oust the democrates
> so the republicans can keep coddling their wealthy
> contributors.
>
> The tea party is a bunch of Midwest morons are
> either payed by lobbyist or are to stupid to know
> they should be.
>
> I hope to god this cast of republican contenders
> are inept enough to tank these evil plans.

You live in a very distorted since of reality. I like how you left out a fact there was a World War in the 1940s. If you could just spend your way out of every recession you wouldnt see the problems in Europe that are there today.

But you guys have bought into the crap since if wealth isnt evil and shouldnt be redistributed there wouldnt be a democratic voting base. For people who claim to be so anti establishment you sure have bought into it hardcore.

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> No corp pays that rate, there are tons of
> loopholes,,,
>
> 15 of the biggest Corps in this country that made
> billions in profits PAID NOTHING and received
> money from the Gov't
>
> I've posted the link to that so many times
> argueing with you IT'S RIDICULOUS,,,
>
> You only argue your tallking points EVERY THREAD,
> ignoring facts that are presented to you,,,
>
> If you BUY ANYTHING YOU PAY TAXES,,,

Is that the best defense you have just calling facts talking points? Im not ignoring facts at all im dealing in them. Ive never once been in support of bailouts not sure how many times I have to state that over and over and over again, but in case you missed it im not in support of the bailouts.

Everyone uses the available write offs not just corporations and Obama and the libs use them as well. Theyre the only ones trying to demonize it while do it themselves though.

No ones talking about sales tax were talking about income tax. If you dont pay income tax you have no right to say someone else isnt paying enough. If you take welfare or any sort of government support you have no right to say someone else isnt paying enough when you are living off of other peoples money

Yeah your right , there are so many examples of societies with this type of wealth consolidation remaining viable,,,

oh wait, no there isn't,,

When do you think the American Pharoahs will build their first pyramid?

I love establishment. I love this country. That's why I pay taxes.

I love that I was able to start a buisness and have customers.

I love that my father was almost killed in an accident and we have the resources to repair him.

America is a great place and you have to pay for the privilege.

Mitt Romney and his ilk are not patriots they are leeches.

Something you might want to remember. If you have a 401k, a def comp plan or retirement plan. They invest in all those evil rich companies Obama likes to hate on. Your retirement is tied directly to their returns.

The media is also doing a good job on pointing out the 15% Romney pays but failing to point out that is the required amount on dividends and capital gains.

Lastly I am sick of hearing Warren Buffett whine he doesnt pay enough taxes. No one is stopping him from throwing in extra bucks at the end of the year to offset the Federal debt. Or does he have to be told to do whats right, at least in his mind. A little history on Buffett might change your mind of what a stand up guy he claims to be.

Atom Wrote:
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> Why is Romney's requirement lower than mine.
>
> Because his ilk has bought the privilege at the
> middle classes expense.
>
> Wealth disparity causes unstable societies.
> Somthing has to change, maybe some blood
> (figuratively) needs to be spilled.


One thing that could change is for dumb fucks exactly like you to learn what the fuck is really going on with this issue. Your ignorance and others like you are threatening to ruin our country. So I'll do you a favor here if you can pull your head out of your ass just long enough to learn a few things.

One reason investment income is taxed at a lower rate than wage and salary income is because it is a double tax—profits are taxed once under the statutory 35% corporate tax rate and then again when they are paid out to individuals as dividends. Romney's campaign was asked if it had tried to estimate Mr. Romney's effective tax rate including the corporate and shareholder levies. Brad Malt, Mr. Romney's trustee, called it "a tempting exercise" but impossible because it would require the tax returns of all the underlying companies Mr. Romney holds.

Democrats are dropping pianos on Mr. Romney because his Bain earnings under his retirement agreement are taxed at 15% as "carried interest" rather than next year's 39.6% on ordinary salary. Carried interest is the accounting term for revenue in general partnerships—private equity and hedge funds, yes, but also certain real-estate and oil-and-gas outfits and others.

Congress has held since the 1970s that carried interest deserves to be taxed at a lower rate because it is at-risk capital that only materializes if a fund invests wisely, and because when you tax something—such as risk taking—you get less of it. Mr. Romney didn't write this "loophole." He is merely following the law that Senate Democrats like Chuck Schumer have spent years protecting.

Mr. Romney could begin by pointing out that the rich aren't nearly rich enough to pay for Mr. Obama's agenda, let alone the government we have. According to IRS data, only 8,273 taxpayers other than Mr. Romney made more than $10 million in 2009. Since the U.S. already has one of the most progressive tax codes in the world, Mr. Obama will need to target middle-income earners of far less means than Mr. Romney. And as ObamaCare's bills come due, he will.

But more to the election point, Mr. Romney should put his own returns in the trophy case as evidence of the need for a major tax reform: Lower, flatter rates and a broader base will generate more jobs and economic growth. It might be reasonable, for instance, to treat carried interest as regular income in the context of lowering the corporate rate to something that is remotely competitive world-wide.

The problem isn't that Mr. Romney is paying too little, but that Mr. Obama wants everyone but his voters and green business cronies to pay too much.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203718504577180932481728706.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Atom Wrote:

> Mitt Romney and his ilk are not patriots they are
> leeches.

How so? Because he paid what he was required to pay? Tell us how much extra do you kick in each year that you arent required to pay. Do you take advantage of the deduction for children, interest on your home loan or charitable contributions? If so then you are taking deductions as allowed by law same as Romney. So to put it bluntly you are no better than him or anyone else who goes by the tax code as written.

Atom Wrote:
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> I love establishment. I love this country.
> That's why I pay taxes.
>
> I love that I was able to start a buisness and
> have customers.
>
> I love that my father was almost killed in an
> accident and we have the resources to repair him.
>
> America is a great place and you have to pay for
> the privilege.
>
> Mitt Romney and his ilk are not patriots they are
> leeches.

Yep mitt romney the leech he only gave 3 million in taxes. Mitt Romney the leach who pays his taxes for what is legally required of him. Mitt romney the leach who gives significant amounts of money to charity.

Hes given more to the government than you ever will. Whose the leech now.

Im sick of listening to you and your little group just play the victims with each other. If this is the best you guys can come up with im done im got better things to do. if you ever want to have an intelligent discussion of things using facts and reality let me know

Now who's retching up the old party line.

Right. The rules written by the rich, for the rich are unfair.

A ten point disparity in tax% is the issue.

McFat is a pawn of big buisness and if he's not getting paid for his tripe he's that much dumber.

I'm ready to fight for fairness. Im hoping for war French revolution style. Those who ignore history are Condemed to repeat it.

low class warfare Wrote:
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> Something you might want to remember. If you have
> a 401k, a def comp plan or retirement plan. They
> invest in all those evil rich companies Obama
> likes to hate on. Your retirement is tied directly
> to their returns.
>
> The media is also doing a good job on pointing out
> the 15% Romney pays but failing to point out that
> is the required amount on dividends and capital
> gains.
>
> Lastly I am sick of hearing Warren Buffett whine
> he doesnt pay enough taxes. No one is stopping him
> from throwing in extra bucks at the end of the
> year to offset the Federal debt. Or does he have
> to be told to do whats right, at least in his
> mind. A little history on Buffett might change
> your mind of what a stand up guy he claims to be.


Buffett is completely full of crap. The guy has more money than anyone can think of and until now has never contributed a dime extra than required. In fact he using all of the write offs possible and his company owes a billion in back taxes.

He should worry about paying whats required before saying the rate should be raised. Its also funny how after having all of this money for several decades now that hes getting close to the end of his life he feels this way after enjoying it the whole time.

Him having the money isnt bad, but the crap hes saying now is motivated to seal his legacy and gain him political favor.

I wonder why big corporations spend MORE on lobbyists than the do on taxes?

It's for something,,,

I'll be satisfied the American people are playing on a level field when the lobbyists are banned,,,

And for the record (again) ,,,Newt brought up the tax issue,,,

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> I wonder why big corporations spend MORE on
> lobbyists than the do on taxes?
>
> It's for something,,,
>
> I'll be satisfied the American people are playing
> on a level field when the lobbyists are banned,,,
>
> And for the record (again) ,,,Newt brought up the
> tax issue,,,


No corporations = no jobs. Instead of complaining about being a victim work to better yourself

Atom Wrote:
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> Now who's retching up the old party line.
>
> Right. The rules written by the rich, for the
> rich are unfair.
>
> A ten point disparity in tax% is the issue.
>
> McFat is a pawn of big buisness and if he's not
> getting paid for his tripe he's that much dumber.
>
> I'm ready to fight for fairness. Im hoping for
> war French revolution style. Those who ignore
> history are Condemed to repeat it.

You are literally too stupid to correspond with. Have a good evening.

mcsmack Wrote:
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> Atom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Now who's retching up the old party line.
> >
> > Right. The rules written by the rich, for the
> > rich are unfair.
> >
> > A ten point disparity in tax% is the issue.
> >
> > McFat is a pawn of big buisness and if he's not
> > getting paid for his tripe he's that much
> dumber.
> >
> > I'm ready to fight for fairness. Im hoping for
> > war French revolution style. Those who ignore
> > history are Condemed to repeat it.
>
> You are literally too stupid to correspond with.
> Have a good evening.

Just ignore him from now on. Hes literally a terrorist that hopefully the FBI or homeland is keeping an eye on

Pleasant dreams.

The republicans dig it a little deeper every time they remain sittin on their ass in opposition (what a great metaphors for their actual intentions.)

They don't applaud 3 million jobs or Detroit.

It's obvious who really wants Americans to succeed.

I'm more of a patriot then you.

I not only respect America, I respect our laws.

And I don't try to cheat the system. I comply, because that's what you do when you're responsible to your community.

Your rhetoric is the threat, plus, who needs violence when your arguments are so easy to thrash.

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> I wonder why big corporations spend MORE on
> lobbyists than the do on taxes?
>
> It's for something,,,

Are you ok with lobbying by AARP? Ok with many non profit groups doing the same who also pay their execs millions of dollars but they do not have to pay one penny in taxes? Are you aware that state tax dollars do the reverse and lobby big companies to locate in their state? Any feelings on that?

You could call a guy making 50k a year a lobbyist if he approaches Congress and asks for special tax breaks for his start up business. Is that ok, if it is where do you draw the line.

Atom Wrote:
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> Pleasant dreams.
>
> The republicans dig it a little deeper every time
> they remain sittin on their ass in opposition
> (what a great metaphors for their actual
> intentions.)
>
> They don't applaud 3 million jobs or Detroit.
>
> It's obvious who really wants Americans to
> succeed.

Nice class warfare rhetoric. I would pose one question to you. Why didnt Obama change these terrible tax laws when he had two full years of Democratic controlled congress with a filibuster proof majority?

If you do not think Obama takes just as much dirty money as any Republican you are indeed naive.

IDK Wrote:
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> Hatemotor Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I wonder why big corporations spend MORE on
> > lobbyists than the do on taxes?
> >
> > It's for something,,,
>
> Are you ok with lobbying by AARP? Ok with many non
> profit groups doing the same who also pay their
> execs millions of dollars but they do not have to
> pay one penny in taxes? Are you aware that state
> tax dollars do the reverse and lobby big companies
> to locate in their state? Any feelings on that?
>
> You could call a guy making 50k a year a lobbyist
> if he approaches Congress and asks for special tax
> breaks for his start up business. Is that ok, if
> it is where do you draw the line.


You sound like a lobbyist,,,I think you know very well of which lobbyists I speak,,,

How do you feel about a law forbidding any member of congress from becoming a lobbyist at the end of their term?

IDK Wrote:
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> Hatemotor Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I wonder why big corporations spend MORE on
> > lobbyists than the do on taxes?
> >
> > It's for something,,,
>
> Are you ok with lobbying by AARP? Ok with many non
> profit groups doing the same who also pay their
> execs millions of dollars but they do not have to
> pay one penny in taxes? Are you aware that state
> tax dollars do the reverse and lobby big companies
> to locate in their state? Any feelings on that?
>
> You could call a guy making 50k a year a lobbyist
> if he approaches Congress and asks for special tax
> breaks for his start up business. Is that ok, if
> it is where do you draw the line.


You don't know what you are talking about. Nonprofits can lobby up to a certain percentage of their overall revenue, so AARP is in compliance with its tax exempt status as long as it doesn't exceed that amount. As for the guy making $50K a year to start a business, there is nothing wrong with him talking to his member of Congress. Now if he starts meeting with members from other States on the same committee and pushing a specific piece of legislation, that's lobbying and he simply needs to register as a lobbyist.

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