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ATC fail
Posted by:
Pinhead the Cenobite
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Date: March 24, 2011 08:32AM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/03/23/washington.planes.controllers/index.html?hpt=T2#
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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"
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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"
Re: ATC fail
Posted by:
not surprised
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Date: March 24, 2011 08:40AM
Affirmative action at its best....
Re: ATC fail
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: March 24, 2011 08:44AM
I didn't think they landed at National after midnight.
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Re: ATC fail
Posted by:
storms
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Date: March 24, 2011 08:49AM
weather delays and planes needed for outgoing flights in the morning can land at all hours.
Re: ATC fail
Posted by:
Pinhead the Cenobite
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Date: March 24, 2011 09:47AM
You can land 24/7, but the curfew is on departures. I want to say 10:00 pm to 6:30 am.
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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"
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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"
Re: ATC fail
Posted by:
Fly Searcher
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Date: March 24, 2011 10:46AM
Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
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> You can land 24/7, but the curfew is on
> departures. I want to say 10:00 pm to 6:30 am.
https://airports-gis.faa.gov/airportsgis/airportLookup/airportDisplay.jsp?category=nasr&airportId=dca
I couldn't find anything about restricted hours, however there is a "special notice" somewhere about "noise abatement" so THAT might be the gotcha. The link above says it's a 24 hour airport.
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> You can land 24/7, but the curfew is on
> departures. I want to say 10:00 pm to 6:30 am.
https://airports-gis.faa.gov/airportsgis/airportLookup/airportDisplay.jsp?category=nasr&airportId=dca
I couldn't find anything about restricted hours, however there is a "special notice" somewhere about "noise abatement" so THAT might be the gotcha. The link above says it's a 24 hour airport.
Re: ATC fail
Posted by:
Pinhead the Cenobite
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Date: March 24, 2011 10:51AM
Again, You can land 24/7. Departures are curfewed from 2200 to 0630.
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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"
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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/24/2011 10:52AM by Pinhead the Cenobite.
Re: ATC fail
Posted by:
Pinhead the Cenobite
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Date: March 24, 2011 10:55AM
CURFEWS
* A. Operating Hours: 0630-2200 Lt All Week. B. Since Sept 11, 2001, General Aviation Acft Have Been Banned At This Airport. However, The U.s. Government Has Agreed To Allow Ga Flights Back Into Reagan National/kdca Under Special Guidelines. C. Aircraft Operators Must: 1. Follow A Strict Security Protocol To Include Passenger And Baggage Screening As Well As Criminal History Record Checks For The Pilots. 2. A Law Enforcement Officer Must Be Onboard Every Flight. 3. Provide At Least 24 Hrs Advance Notice Of Their Intent To Use Kdca. 4. Arrive From One Of 15 Portal Airports In The U.s.: Seattle-tacoma/sea, Boston Logan/bos, Houston Hobby/hou, White Plains/hpn, Laguardia/lga, Chicago Midway/mdw, Minneapolis-st Paul/msp, West Palm Beach/pbi, San Francisco/sfo, Teterboro/teb, Philadelphia/phl, Lexington-blue Grass/lex. 5. As Of 5 May 06 The Following Gateway Airports Are Also Authorized: Dallas-love Field/dal, Memphis Intl/mem, Milwaukee General Mitchell Field/mke. D. Tsa Began Accepting Flight Authorization Requests From 'approved' Operators On Oct 15, 2005. E. 24 Hours Operations Are Possible For: 1. Takeoff/departure If 72 Dba Or Less 2. Landing/arrival If 85 Dba Or Less
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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"
* A. Operating Hours: 0630-2200 Lt All Week. B. Since Sept 11, 2001, General Aviation Acft Have Been Banned At This Airport. However, The U.s. Government Has Agreed To Allow Ga Flights Back Into Reagan National/kdca Under Special Guidelines. C. Aircraft Operators Must: 1. Follow A Strict Security Protocol To Include Passenger And Baggage Screening As Well As Criminal History Record Checks For The Pilots. 2. A Law Enforcement Officer Must Be Onboard Every Flight. 3. Provide At Least 24 Hrs Advance Notice Of Their Intent To Use Kdca. 4. Arrive From One Of 15 Portal Airports In The U.s.: Seattle-tacoma/sea, Boston Logan/bos, Houston Hobby/hou, White Plains/hpn, Laguardia/lga, Chicago Midway/mdw, Minneapolis-st Paul/msp, West Palm Beach/pbi, San Francisco/sfo, Teterboro/teb, Philadelphia/phl, Lexington-blue Grass/lex. 5. As Of 5 May 06 The Following Gateway Airports Are Also Authorized: Dallas-love Field/dal, Memphis Intl/mem, Milwaukee General Mitchell Field/mke. D. Tsa Began Accepting Flight Authorization Requests From 'approved' Operators On Oct 15, 2005. E. 24 Hours Operations Are Possible For: 1. Takeoff/departure If 72 Dba Or Less 2. Landing/arrival If 85 Dba Or Less
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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"
Re: ATC fail
Posted by:
Fly Searcher
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Date: March 24, 2011 10:55AM
Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
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> Again, You can land 24/7. Departures are curfewed
> from 2200 to 0630.
And again - I found nothing about departures being restricted and...though I didn't post the link... I found one PDF that mentioned using certain runways when departing 10:00 to 07:00, suggesting that departures are indeed allowed (that PDF was dated 2008).
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> Again, You can land 24/7. Departures are curfewed
> from 2200 to 0630.
And again - I found nothing about departures being restricted and...though I didn't post the link... I found one PDF that mentioned using certain runways when departing 10:00 to 07:00, suggesting that departures are indeed allowed (that PDF was dated 2008).
Re: ATC fail
Posted by:
Fly Searcher
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Date: March 24, 2011 10:56AM
Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
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> CURFEWS
> 24 Hours Operations Are
> Possible For: 1. Takeoff/departure If 72 Dba Or
> Less 2. Landing/arrival If 85 Dba Or Less
Okay, that says 24 hours either direction, thanks.
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> CURFEWS
> 24 Hours Operations Are
> Possible For: 1. Takeoff/departure If 72 Dba Or
> Less 2. Landing/arrival If 85 Dba Or Less
Okay, that says 24 hours either direction, thanks.
Re: ATC fail
Posted by:
Pinhead the Cenobite
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Date: March 24, 2011 10:59AM
Mind you, these are the normal procedures. If a storm has rolled through causing ATC stops, tower and tracon will allow departures because you had already blocked your departure for a pre-curfew slot time.
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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"
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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"
Re: ATC fail
Posted by:
Pinhead the Cenobite
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Date: March 24, 2011 11:00AM
72 Db is very low threshold. A single engine prop. Not a jet.
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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"
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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"
Re: ATC fail
Posted by:
eesh
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Date: March 24, 2011 11:26AM
I'm guessing the controller was in the bathroom or on a smoke break. Good thing there were no crashes.
Re: ATC fail
Posted by:
Ut videam
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Date: March 24, 2011 01:40PM
"An aviation official who spoke on condition of anonymity because an investigation is underway said the supervisor fell asleep."
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Re: ATC fail
Posted by:
ATC
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Date: March 24, 2011 02:25PM
ThePackLeader once took over air traffic control when all of the operators had food poisoning
Re: ATC fail
Posted by:
eesh
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Date: March 24, 2011 03:16PM
ATC Wrote:
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> ThePackLeader once took over air traffic control
> when all of the operators had food poisoning
LOLLLLLL
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> ThePackLeader once took over air traffic control
> when all of the operators had food poisoning
LOLLLLLL
Re: ATC fail
Posted by:
eesh
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Date: March 24, 2011 03:17PM
It's kinda scary they had ONE controller up there in the tower. What if he had a heart attack or fell ill? No backup or alternate controllers?
Re: ATC fail
Posted by:
Ut videam
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Date: March 24, 2011 03:30PM
eesh Wrote:
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> It's kinda scary they had ONE controller up there
> in the tower. What if he had a heart attack or
> fell ill? No backup or alternate controllers?
Probably not such a big deal at DCA given the night ops curfew. Early on in their training, pilots learn arrival and departure procedures for uncontrolled airports. Also, they remained in contact with Potomac Approach (the DC metro area TRACON) so it's not like they were totally winging it.
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> It's kinda scary they had ONE controller up there
> in the tower. What if he had a heart attack or
> fell ill? No backup or alternate controllers?
Probably not such a big deal at DCA given the night ops curfew. Early on in their training, pilots learn arrival and departure procedures for uncontrolled airports. Also, they remained in contact with Potomac Approach (the DC metro area TRACON) so it's not like they were totally winging it.