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Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
South Riding Resident
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Date: January 11, 2011 05:50PM
So, I have this pizza flyer that was placed between my mailbox and its red flag. I call the pizza place and ask for a manager. I explain to the manager that I got his flyer, but it was placed on my mailbox, that is illegal and he needs to stop the person in my neighborhood from putting out more flyers. This dude says he checked with the Post Office, and it is only illegal if they put the flyer in the mailbox. On the mailbox is legal.
I told him he was wrong. He argued some more. I explained that a few years back I attended and participated in six days of congreessional hearings on Mailbox restrictions. I knew what the laws actually were, He then said people get the law wrong all the time, and he could place his menue between the red flag and mailbox; "perfectly legal," he argued. I asked him not to do it again, and to next time simply mail his menue to avoid any issues. He said the flyer distribution was legal, and he hung up.
Lesson, if you don't know what you are talking about, shut up.
I reported him to the local Postmaster, and he will get a warning. If he does it again, he will have to pay full postage for everything he places on a mailbox. That is the law.
I told him he was wrong. He argued some more. I explained that a few years back I attended and participated in six days of congreessional hearings on Mailbox restrictions. I knew what the laws actually were, He then said people get the law wrong all the time, and he could place his menue between the red flag and mailbox; "perfectly legal," he argued. I asked him not to do it again, and to next time simply mail his menue to avoid any issues. He said the flyer distribution was legal, and he hung up.
Lesson, if you don't know what you are talking about, shut up.
I reported him to the local Postmaster, and he will get a warning. If he does it again, he will have to pay full postage for everything he places on a mailbox. That is the law.
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
TheMeeper
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Date: January 11, 2011 05:56PM
South Riding Resident Wrote:
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> That is the law.
Bad boys, bad boys, watcha gonna do,
watcha gonna do when they come for you?
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>
> That is the law.
Bad boys, bad boys, watcha gonna do,
watcha gonna do when they come for you?
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
6X
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Date: January 11, 2011 06:01PM
Kramer lives in South Riding.
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Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
Warhawk
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Date: January 11, 2011 06:33PM
You live in South Riding. Do you hang with the swingers that live out there?
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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.
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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
lur king
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Date: January 11, 2011 06:38PM
Sounds like you need a stiffy.
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
ThePackLeader
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Date: January 11, 2011 06:40PM
It's only illegal to place flyers inside the mailbox, and that's true. I've talked to the postal officials about it before. Besides, what is your hang-up about people distributing flyers? We use them all the time here in Reston to bring the attention of neighborhood issues to people.
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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
Postman Delivers
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Date: January 11, 2011 07:13PM
I'm fairly certain the original poster is correct - it is ilegal to place in OR on a mailbox - awhile back we had real problems with newspaper delivery near us and I looked into what was and was not legal; for some reason I'm pretty sure ON a mailbox is illegal as well...one moment while I search USPS.gov...ah, here we go:
>>> "...Other than as permitted by 3.2.10, Delivery of Unstamped Newspapers, or
>>> 3.2.11, no part of a mail receptacle may be used to deliver any matter not
>>> bearing postage, including items or matter placed upon, supported by, attached
>>> to, hung from, or inserted into a mail receptacle. Any mailable matter not
>>> bearing postage and found as described above is subject to the same postage as
>>> would be paid if it were carried by mail..."
http://pe.usps.gov/text/dmm300/508.htm
>>> "...Other than as permitted by 3.2.10, Delivery of Unstamped Newspapers, or
>>> 3.2.11, no part of a mail receptacle may be used to deliver any matter not
>>> bearing postage, including items or matter placed upon, supported by, attached
>>> to, hung from, or inserted into a mail receptacle. Any mailable matter not
>>> bearing postage and found as described above is subject to the same postage as
>>> would be paid if it were carried by mail..."
http://pe.usps.gov/text/dmm300/508.htm
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
Warhawk
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Date: January 11, 2011 07:51PM
Illegal or not, I'd rather have some dumb flyer on or in my mailbox than some solicitor at my door trying to get me to install a security system, gutters, magazines, or pest control. God I fucking hate that shit.
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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.
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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
themuse
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Date: January 11, 2011 07:54PM
wingnut should have something to contribute to this thread. where's wingnut?
yeefuckinghaw
yeefuckinghaw
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
T2T
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Date: January 11, 2011 07:58PM
You need to live in a gated community. Strict rules keeps the solicitors out. It's like you're on vacation - when you're not away at work.
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
Warhawk
()
Date: January 11, 2011 08:06PM
themuse Wrote:
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> wingnut should have something to contribute to
> this thread. where's wingnut?
Man, you know how much he despises flyers on his car...can you imagine his mailbox? :-)
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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.
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> wingnut should have something to contribute to
> this thread. where's wingnut?
Man, you know how much he despises flyers on his car...can you imagine his mailbox? :-)
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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: January 11, 2011 10:40PM
South Riding Resident Wrote:
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> I reported him to the local Postmaster, and he
> will get a warning. If he does it again, he will
> have to pay full postage for everything he places
> on a mailbox. That is the law.
You are a douchebag and the Postmaster won't do dick. You know why? Because he/she has more important things to do than worry about a douchebag like you.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
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>
> I reported him to the local Postmaster, and he
> will get a warning. If he does it again, he will
> have to pay full postage for everything he places
> on a mailbox. That is the law.
You are a douchebag and the Postmaster won't do dick. You know why? Because he/she has more important things to do than worry about a douchebag like you.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
lur king
()
Date: January 11, 2011 11:08PM
I wish there was a "like" button here.
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
Moose
()
Date: January 12, 2011 01:50AM
A few years back, I was advertising for my business. I had not checked first, which I now of course know was dumb, but was out putting fliers on mailboxes. I didn't want to place them on people's cars and not having thought about it first as I should have, I didn't see any harm with where I was placing them. Well, I found out real fast. Going along merrily down a street, I was stopped by a postman who in no uncertain terms, very loudly let me know that what I was doing was illegal. "You are not allowed to place anything in or on someone's mailbox!"; and went on reciting the law to me. I felt like an idiot. Got back home and called the post office and was told that the postman was correct, that you are only allowed to place fliers on a person's door knob. Not inside of a storm door, not slipped inside the crack of a door -- only on a person's door knob and never in or on a mailbox. That halted any flier distribution for me.
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
South Riding Resident
()
Date: January 12, 2011 10:25AM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> South Riding Resident Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > I reported him to the local Postmaster, and he
> > will get a warning. If he does it again, he
> will
> > have to pay full postage for everything he
> places
> > on a mailbox. That is the law.
>
>
> You are a douchebag and the Postmaster won't do
> dick. You know why? Because he/she has more
> important things to do than worry about a
> douchebag like you.
First of all, I don't want my mailbox damaged by some pizza worker bending the flag, or getting torn paper lodged in the flag's hinge.
Under the circumstances, because of offense was done to avoid paying postage, The Postmaster is required to contact the offending company with a warning not to do it again. The Postmaster said he would contact a mail carrier in the area to pick up an offending piece, and he asked me what street I lived on.
The USPS has a template letter they use with the law clearly spelled out, and an estimate of the postage due if the offence is done again. They charge First Class postage rates for each piece so the estimate of postage is pretty darn high.
What bothered me is the manager argueing about something he knew nothing about. He was right, and I was wrong, and he knew the law better than I did. Forget that I had 10 years working with the Post Office on defining the laws for alternate delivery rules for everyone from pizza coupons to UPS, couriers, Fedex, and newspaper carriers. He even went so far as to lie, telling me he had the Post Office's permission to place items on a mailbox. What a value for a manager; make crap up as you go along. I will never order from that company again because of dishonesty at the management level.
I didn't report him to the postmaster until he told me he wasn't going to contact the distributor, who was still in my neighborhood, and ask her to stop putting the flyer on the mailboxes.
As displayed here, a simple Google search of USPS.gov would provide the correct answer.
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> South Riding Resident Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > I reported him to the local Postmaster, and he
> > will get a warning. If he does it again, he
> will
> > have to pay full postage for everything he
> places
> > on a mailbox. That is the law.
>
>
> You are a douchebag and the Postmaster won't do
> dick. You know why? Because he/she has more
> important things to do than worry about a
> douchebag like you.
First of all, I don't want my mailbox damaged by some pizza worker bending the flag, or getting torn paper lodged in the flag's hinge.
Under the circumstances, because of offense was done to avoid paying postage, The Postmaster is required to contact the offending company with a warning not to do it again. The Postmaster said he would contact a mail carrier in the area to pick up an offending piece, and he asked me what street I lived on.
The USPS has a template letter they use with the law clearly spelled out, and an estimate of the postage due if the offence is done again. They charge First Class postage rates for each piece so the estimate of postage is pretty darn high.
What bothered me is the manager argueing about something he knew nothing about. He was right, and I was wrong, and he knew the law better than I did. Forget that I had 10 years working with the Post Office on defining the laws for alternate delivery rules for everyone from pizza coupons to UPS, couriers, Fedex, and newspaper carriers. He even went so far as to lie, telling me he had the Post Office's permission to place items on a mailbox. What a value for a manager; make crap up as you go along. I will never order from that company again because of dishonesty at the management level.
I didn't report him to the postmaster until he told me he wasn't going to contact the distributor, who was still in my neighborhood, and ask her to stop putting the flyer on the mailboxes.
As displayed here, a simple Google search of USPS.gov would provide the correct answer.
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: January 12, 2011 10:27AM
It may be illegal, but you are still a douchebag for getting so worked up about something so stupid. I'm sure getting the Postmaster to send a form letter to some high school graduate trying to make an honest living makes you feel like a big man. You are still a douchebag in my book.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
South ARiding Resident
()
Date: January 12, 2011 10:28AM
ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> It's only illegal to place flyers inside the
> mailbox, and that's true. I've talked to the
> postal officials about it before. Besides, what is
> your hang-up about people distributing flyers? We
> use them all the time here in Reston to bring the
> attention of neighborhood issues to people.
You are wrong; are you a pizza delivery manager in Dulles?
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> It's only illegal to place flyers inside the
> mailbox, and that's true. I've talked to the
> postal officials about it before. Besides, what is
> your hang-up about people distributing flyers? We
> use them all the time here in Reston to bring the
> attention of neighborhood issues to people.
You are wrong; are you a pizza delivery manager in Dulles?
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
lur king
()
Date: January 12, 2011 11:05AM
SRR, you still need to get laid. Oh, and you put 10 years in with the USPS...glad you got out of there before you lost your temper and went "Postal".
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
South Riding Resident
()
Date: January 12, 2011 11:14AM
lur king Wrote:
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> SRR, you still need to get laid. Oh, and you put
> 10 years in with the USPS...glad you got out of
> there before you lost your temper and went
> "Postal".
I worked with the USPS on private carrier legal issues, not for the USPS.
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> SRR, you still need to get laid. Oh, and you put
> 10 years in with the USPS...glad you got out of
> there before you lost your temper and went
> "Postal".
I worked with the USPS on private carrier legal issues, not for the USPS.
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
Gonads & Strife
()
Date: January 12, 2011 11:15AM
Why not get your HOA to put a No Soliciting sign? Or you could get one of those redneck-y signs that says Trespassers Will Be Shot - Survivors Will Be Shot Again.. Maybe the WARNING Pit Bull with AIDS sign?
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
lur king
()
Date: January 12, 2011 02:40PM
SRR,
Thanks for clearing that up! Now, onto the "getting laid" part...Pics or GTFO!
Thanks for clearing that up! Now, onto the "getting laid" part...Pics or GTFO!
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
Get some pizza
()
Date: February 21, 2012 02:13AM
So you got a pizza coupon and moaned and groaned, next time shoot the guy making min wage to give rich folks like you a deal.
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
Radiophile
()
Date: February 21, 2012 06:53AM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> South Riding Resident Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > I reported him to the local Postmaster, and he
> > will get a warning. If he does it again, he
> will
> > have to pay full postage for everything he
> places
> > on a mailbox. That is the law.
>
>
> You are a douchebag and the Postmaster won't do
> dick. You know why? Because he/she has more
> important things to do than worry about a
> douchebag like you.
I will bet the Postmaster did do something about it. My HOA was hanging announcements to the community mailboxes and I alerted the Postmaster who quickly took care of the situation. And it is not only postage due, it is up to a $300 fine per occurrence.
The USPS has a 100% legal monopoly on the mailbox. You want to use the mailbox, you must abide by their rules.
And another instance of WTL getting it all wrong.
Fairfaxunderground rules: Lilliputions, not ok. Midgettville ok. I got it now.
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> South Riding Resident Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > I reported him to the local Postmaster, and he
> > will get a warning. If he does it again, he
> will
> > have to pay full postage for everything he
> places
> > on a mailbox. That is the law.
>
>
> You are a douchebag and the Postmaster won't do
> dick. You know why? Because he/she has more
> important things to do than worry about a
> douchebag like you.
I will bet the Postmaster did do something about it. My HOA was hanging announcements to the community mailboxes and I alerted the Postmaster who quickly took care of the situation. And it is not only postage due, it is up to a $300 fine per occurrence.
The USPS has a 100% legal monopoly on the mailbox. You want to use the mailbox, you must abide by their rules.
And another instance of WTL getting it all wrong.
Fairfaxunderground rules: Lilliputions, not ok. Midgettville ok. I got it now.
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
Buggles
()
Date: February 22, 2012 12:42PM
Radiophile Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > South Riding Resident Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > >
> > > I reported him to the local Postmaster, and
> he
> > > will get a warning. If he does it again, he
> > will
> > > have to pay full postage for everything he
> > places
> > > on a mailbox. That is the law.
> >
> >
> > You are a douchebag and the Postmaster won't do
> > dick. You know why? Because he/she has more
> > important things to do than worry about a
> > douchebag like you.
>
> I will bet the Postmaster did do something about
> it. My HOA was hanging announcements to the
> community mailboxes and I alerted the Postmaster
> who quickly took care of the situation. And it is
> not only postage due, it is up to a $300 fine per
> occurrence.
>
> The USPS has a 100% legal monopoly on the mailbox.
> You want to use the mailbox, you must abide by
> their rules.
>
> And another instance of WTL getting it all wrong.
Looks like a fight is a brewin between WTL and RadioLover. Place your bet as to who pusses out first.
Oh, and it's Buggles time!
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > South Riding Resident Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > >
> > > I reported him to the local Postmaster, and
> he
> > > will get a warning. If he does it again, he
> > will
> > > have to pay full postage for everything he
> > places
> > > on a mailbox. That is the law.
> >
> >
> > You are a douchebag and the Postmaster won't do
> > dick. You know why? Because he/she has more
> > important things to do than worry about a
> > douchebag like you.
>
> I will bet the Postmaster did do something about
> it. My HOA was hanging announcements to the
> community mailboxes and I alerted the Postmaster
> who quickly took care of the situation. And it is
> not only postage due, it is up to a $300 fine per
> occurrence.
>
> The USPS has a 100% legal monopoly on the mailbox.
> You want to use the mailbox, you must abide by
> their rules.
>
> And another instance of WTL getting it all wrong.
Looks like a fight is a brewin between WTL and RadioLover. Place your bet as to who pusses out first.
Oh, and it's Buggles time!
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
Hey
()
Date: February 22, 2012 01:08PM
Keep your hands off my box.
Re: Flyers on Mailboxes
Posted by:
way_late_but_still_relevant
()
Date: October 22, 2012 10:10PM
Just saw this post - wanted to add that our neighborhood HOA did provide No Soliciting signs at both entrances to our neighborhood.
You know how much that helped cut down on people/idiots leaving their junk in our mailboxes, wedged in between the flag, on our doorknobs and thrown in our driveways with a baggie full of rocks attached to it??
NOT AT ALL!
I think I'm going to post a small copy of the USPS code on my mailbox.
You know how much that helped cut down on people/idiots leaving their junk in our mailboxes, wedged in between the flag, on our doorknobs and thrown in our driveways with a baggie full of rocks attached to it??
NOT AT ALL!
I think I'm going to post a small copy of the USPS code on my mailbox.