Carrier dual fuel (gas furnace & heat pump) or Lennox (gas furnace) plus new A/C.

Difference is $2,000 installed. Both are 16 Seer.

Thanks!!

better choice

Tune all your TV's to Fox News and you can heat your house with Hot Air and Manure-based Methane gas 24x7x365.

Trane Gas

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Trane Gas

Gerry hates the environment. He's encouraging cracking and American jobs. Only Republicans want progress.

Want the Units in the homes of the HVAC owners use?
Check out Goodman.

Thousands less.
Mcdaniels Service uses these in every apartment complex in the area. Lower call backs due to malfunctions.

You'll find big $$$ differences, not big product differences.

Make sure to have it sized correctly for your house and it's a name brand like York, Carrier, Lennox, Trane. American Standard is the same as Carrier, for a lot less. Most of the ratings can be found on line.

Consider a heat pump too, instead of just a furnace. You'll save some bucks in March/April and October/November when it's not too cold to just use the furnace.

Get one with a variable speed motor (air handler) so it can run on a low speed all the time which keeps the house from getting hot and cold spots because it's constantly moving the air even when the heater isn't going. Doesn't use a lot of energy and it's also constantly cleaning/filtering the air, and it's not an expensive option, but worth it.

Finally, consider a whole house humidifier (should be about $600 installed). If you humidify the air, you'll actually save money, because dry air doesn't feel as warm as air with proper moisture.

Costco has a good deal on Lennox systems. A lot of good deals out there if you shop a little.

Do what I did. Buy a wood burning stove and hire a Mexican from the Home Depot parking lot. My winter heating bills are cheaper than ever and one more immigrant is gainfully employed.

WTFWTFWTFWTFWTF Wrote:
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> You'll find big $$$ differences, not big product
> differences.
>
> Make sure to have it sized correctly for your
> house and it's a name brand like York, Carrier,
> Lennox, Trane. American Standard is the same as
> Carrier, for a lot less. Most of the ratings can
> be found on line.
>
> Consider a heat pump too, instead of just a
> furnace. You'll save some bucks in March/April and
> October/November when it's not too cold to just
> use the furnace.
>
> Get one with a variable speed motor (air handler)
> so it can run on a low speed all the time which
> keeps the house from getting hot and cold spots
> because it's constantly moving the air even when
> the heater isn't going. Doesn't use a lot of
> energy and it's also constantly cleaning/filtering
> the air, and it's not an expensive option, but
> worth it.
>
> Finally, consider a whole house humidifier (should
> be about $600 installed). If you humidify the air,
> you'll actually save money, because dry air
> doesn't feel as warm as air with proper moisture.
>
> Costco has a good deal on Lennox systems. A lot of
> good deals out there if you shop a little.


American Standard is the same as Trane not carrier

Name brands suck Wrote:
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> Want the Units in the homes of the HVAC owners
> use?
> Check out Goodman.
>
> Thousands less.
> Mcdaniels Service uses these in every apartment
> complex in the area. Lower call backs due to
> malfunctions.


Goodman is dog shit, for section 8 rental properties they are okay.

Hejdjjd Wrote:
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> Carrier dual fuel (gas furnace & heat pump) or
> Lennox (gas furnace) plus new A/C.
>
> Difference is $2,000 installed. Both are 16
> Seer.
>
> Thanks!!

I would not miss the chance to go dual fuel heat pump/gas. The heat pump will pay for itself. If you want the extra warmth of a gas furnace at any time it is available via a push of the button on the thermostat. The outdoor "balance point" temperature is adjustable as to what temperature you want the furnace to take over for the heat pump automatically and most people set it a 30 to 35 degrees.

As far as the equipment goes both those brands are high quality products as are most other brands with the exception of Goodman. A big mistake that some people make is to try and force a contractor to install a product they are not familiar with. Choose a contractor that has been in business a long time and has a proven record but stay away from these huge contractors the advertise on TV all day. Good luck!

serious hvac reply Wrote:
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> Hejdjjd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Carrier dual fuel (gas furnace & heat pump) or
> > Lennox (gas furnace) plus new A/C.
> >
> > Difference is $2,000 installed. Both are 16
> > Seer.
> >
> > Thanks!!
>
> I would not miss the chance to go dual fuel heat
> pump/gas. The heat pump will pay for itself. If
> you want the extra warmth of a gas furnace at any
> time it is available via a push of the button on
> the thermostat. The outdoor "balance point"
> temperature is adjustable as to what temperature
> you want the furnace to take over for the heat
> pump automatically and most people set it a 30 to
> 35 degrees.
>
> As far as the equipment goes both those brands are
> high quality products as are most other brands
> with the exception of Goodman. A big mistake that
> some people make is to try and force a contractor
> to install a product they are not familiar with.
> Choose a contractor that has been in business a
> long time and has a proven record but stay away
> from these huge contractors the advertise on TV
> all day. Good luck!

Bullshit. Goodman is commercial standard quality and it outperforms Carrier and Lennox by a giant margin.

you're old furnace should be fine. or get a wood stove.

Name brands suck Wrote:
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> Want the Units in the homes of the HVAC owners
> use?
> Check out Goodman.


Goodman is low end shit. Poorly made, prone to breakdowns. Complete crap.

Go Carrier or some other brand name - Trane, Lennox, etc.

Pro hvac installer Wrote:
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> serious hvac reply Wrote:
> Bullshit. Goodman is commercial standard quality
> and it outperforms Carrier and Lennox by a giant
> margin.

Only 7/11 day laborers and craigslist contractors install garbage like Goodman

Goodman is the highest warranty claim product in the industry by a wide margin. Really bad equipment.

dont have any certified company by fairfax certified install in

they will send children, niggers, spics who will create electrical hazards and future continual maintenance issues

that is what fx co gov calls "certified" and i remember when the news was calling what they were doing illegal

it still is illegal and so is fx co .gov

Pro hvac installer Wrote:
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> serious hvac reply Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hejdjjd Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Carrier dual fuel (gas furnace & heat pump)
> or
> > > Lennox (gas furnace) plus new A/C.
> > >
> > > Difference is $2,000 installed. Both are 16
> > > Seer.
> > >
> > > Thanks!!
> >
> > I would not miss the chance to go dual fuel
> heat
> > pump/gas. The heat pump will pay for itself. If
> > you want the extra warmth of a gas furnace at
> any
> > time it is available via a push of the button
> on
> > the thermostat. The outdoor "balance point"
> > temperature is adjustable as to what
> temperature
> > you want the furnace to take over for the heat
> > pump automatically and most people set it a 30
> to
> > 35 degrees.
> >
> > As far as the equipment goes both those brands
> are
> > high quality products as are most other brands
> > with the exception of Goodman. A big mistake
> that
> > some people make is to try and force a
> contractor
> > to install a product they are not familiar
> with.
> > Choose a contractor that has been in business a
> > long time and has a proven record but stay away
> > from these huge contractors the advertise on TV
> > all day. Good luck!
>
> Bullshit. Goodman is commercial standard quality
> and it outperforms Carrier and Lennox by a giant
> margin.

Dude, your an idiot. Explain to me how a 95% AFUE Goodman Gas Furnace "outperforms" any other95% AFUE furnace. Or do you even understand basic physics? Now explain how a 16 SEER Goodman A/C "outperforms" any other 16 SEER A/C.

I'll be waiting for an answer, which you won't have.

I'm the OP. I'm thinking about ripping my Goodman out. It came with my 7 figure brand new house 10 years ago. It came from the factory with a bad gas valve that required 3 tries to ignite since year 2 or maybe even year 1. No tech that came wanted to replace the bad valve since it's hours and hours of hard work. The techs just put in bigger and bigger igniters. Now I have an igniter ready for jet engines. For ten years the furnace would break when it got cold (yes worst possible time and usually at night) and I have literally used a barbecue lighter to start it when I got desperate. Dangerous??, not really. The gas release was weak so it was safe.

Now, it's all fixed and better than day 1 by a good tech ($2,400 to fix and replaced everything). But the tech is recommending I rip it out for many reasons. A Goodman is not good (he says), it's loud, it's underpowered for my house size. I love my house and my neighborhood and I plan to live here another 15 to 20 years, so I'm thinking to just spend the money and live in comfort this summer. But is dual fuel worth an extra $2,000??

Thanks everyone!!

Op here now Wrote:
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> I'm the OP. I'm thinking about ripping my Goodman
> out. It came with my 7 figure brand new house 10
> years ago. It came from the factory with a bad
> gas valve that required 3 tries to ignite since
> year 2 or maybe even year 1. No tech that came
> wanted to replace the bad valve since it's hours
> and hours of hard work. The techs just put in
> bigger and bigger igniters. Now I have an igniter
> ready for jet engines. For ten years the furnace
> would break when it got cold (yes worst possible
> time and usually at night) and I have literally
> used a barbecue lighter to start it when I got
> desperate. Dangerous??, not really. The gas
> release was weak so it was safe.
>
> Now, it's all fixed and better than day 1 by a
> good tech ($2,400 to fix and replaced everything).
> But the tech is recommending I rip it out for
> many reasons. A Goodman is not good (he says),
> it's loud, it's underpowered for my house size. I
> love my house and my neighborhood and I plan to
> live here another 15 to 20 years, so I'm thinking
> to just spend the money and live in comfort this
> summer. But is dual fuel worth an extra $2,000??
>
> Thanks everyone!!


If its working now I would think you should try to get another year or two out of it,

NoTea Wrote:
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> Pro hvac installer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > serious hvac reply Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Hejdjjd Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Carrier dual fuel (gas furnace & heat pump)
> > or
> > > > Lennox (gas furnace) plus new A/C.
> > > >
> > > > Difference is $2,000 installed. Both are
> 16
> > > > Seer.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!!
> > >
> > > I would not miss the chance to go dual fuel
> > heat
> > > pump/gas. The heat pump will pay for itself.
> If
> > > you want the extra warmth of a gas furnace at
> > any
> > > time it is available via a push of the button
> > on
> > > the thermostat. The outdoor "balance point"
> > > temperature is adjustable as to what
> > temperature
> > > you want the furnace to take over for the
> heat
> > > pump automatically and most people set it a
> 30
> > to
> > > 35 degrees.
> > >
> > > As far as the equipment goes both those
> brands
> > are
> > > high quality products as are most other
> brands
> > > with the exception of Goodman. A big mistake
> > that
> > > some people make is to try and force a
> > contractor
> > > to install a product they are not familiar
> > with.
> > > Choose a contractor that has been in business
> a
> > > long time and has a proven record but stay
> away
> > > from these huge contractors the advertise on
> TV
> > > all day. Good luck!
> >
> > Bullshit. Goodman is commercial standard
> quality
> > and it outperforms Carrier and Lennox by a
> giant
> > margin.
>
> Dude, your an idiot. Explain to me how a 95% AFUE
> Goodman Gas Furnace "outperforms" any other95%
> AFUE furnace. Or do you even understand basic
> physics? Now explain how a 16 SEER Goodman A/C
> "outperforms" any other 16 SEER A/C.
>
> I'll be waiting for an answer, which you won't
> have.

Most Goodmans are 19 SEER. You do the math, dipshit.

Install the Sanders model 2016. Feel the Bern! No Bern in a few weeks but by them it will be Spring.

If you actually need to see flames - maybe the Trump, Cruz, Rubio or Carson 2016 models will work for you - for a few months - then they will flame out.

2016 Bush models are on sale dirt cheap but they couldn't heat a small room. People's hands are so cold they can't even clap.

If dual fuel (mainly a heatpump outside vice just an A/C unit outside) is $2,000 difference, you need to shop around a little bit.

I think the 2.5 ton unit was like $500 difference. The difference should not be that pronounced. Even if you have a big house, the principle of how a heat pump works necessitates only a few hundred dollars difference. Get three or four quotes. They'll be based on your square footage and number of floors in the house, number of windows (surface area) for heat loss and current venting and air duct design and resistance. Discount any that are wildly out of the rest.

Don't go wild over SEER numbers. It's just one measurement. It's like grading a TV based solely on resolution. There's still contrast, response time, etc.

Unless you've got a pocket of money, if so why would you even post ??

Heat pumps are more expensive to install, to fix and suck the hell out of your wallet when its cold. Why bother with that crap. Get the Gas furnace cheaper, cheaper to have serviced and if your cold turn up that flame and in no time your warm.

Heat Pumps are good for those in areas with No Gas. As they don't have many choices.

In an area with Gas only Limo Libs or Idiots get these P.O.S boxes so they can brag about being Green..Like all electric comes from Solar.. with the volts and AMPS they draw..

Heat Pump = Cold Drafty House and $$$$$

You have a heat pump WITH a gas furnace, hence the term "dual fuel". It's not even used when it's really cold - the system automagically flips over to gas.

Damn. Juuuuuussssttt damn.

Journeyman A/C Manuel Wrote:
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> NoTea Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Pro hvac installer Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > serious hvac reply Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Hejdjjd Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Carrier dual fuel (gas furnace & heat
> pump)
> > > or
> > > > > Lennox (gas furnace) plus new A/C.
> > > > >
> > > > > Difference is $2,000 installed. Both are
> > 16
> > > > > Seer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!!
> > > >
> > > > I would not miss the chance to go dual fuel
> > > heat
> > > > pump/gas. The heat pump will pay for
> itself.
> > If
> > > > you want the extra warmth of a gas furnace
> at
> > > any
> > > > time it is available via a push of the
> button
> > > on
> > > > the thermostat. The outdoor "balance point"
> > > > temperature is adjustable as to what
> > > temperature
> > > > you want the furnace to take over for the
> > heat
> > > > pump automatically and most people set it a
> > 30
> > > to
> > > > 35 degrees.
> > > >
> > > > As far as the equipment goes both those
> > brands
> > > are
> > > > high quality products as are most other
> > brands
> > > > with the exception of Goodman. A big
> mistake
> > > that
> > > > some people make is to try and force a
> > > contractor
> > > > to install a product they are not familiar
> > > with.
> > > > Choose a contractor that has been in
> business
> > a
> > > > long time and has a proven record but stay
> > away
> > > > from these huge contractors the advertise
> on
> > TV
> > > > all day. Good luck!
> > >
> > > Bullshit. Goodman is commercial standard
> > quality
> > > and it outperforms Carrier and Lennox by a
> > giant
> > > margin.
> >
> > Dude, your an idiot. Explain to me how a 95%
> AFUE
> > Goodman Gas Furnace "outperforms" any other95%
> > AFUE furnace. Or do you even understand basic
> > physics? Now explain how a 16 SEER Goodman A/C
> > "outperforms" any other 16 SEER A/C.
> >
> > I'll be waiting for an answer, which you won't
> > have.
>
> Most Goodmans are 19 SEER. You do the math,
> dipshit.


Damn you're one goat fuck stupid fucker. Carrier also makes a 19 SEER unit. Now explain to me how the Goodman (Janijunk) 19 SEER is more energy efficient than the Carrier 19 SEER..

Craven Moorehead Wrote:
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>
> Don't go wild over SEER numbers. It's just one
> measurement. It's like grading a TV based solely
> on resolution. There's still contrast, response
> time, etc.

No it isn't. SEER ratings are based on the Co-efficient of Performance. A CoP of 3.8 is a Cop of 3.8. That will produce 12,965 btu's of heat. If it doesn't, then it's not a CoP of 3.8. Has absolutely nothing to do with anything else. Just as a CCF of gas when it burns produces 102,800 BTU's of heat. If you have 2 gas furnaces that are 95% AFUE, 97,666 btu's of that heat is transferred into the home as usable heat and 5140 btu's are vented. 95% AFUE furnaces are identically efficient as long as everything else such as duct work insulation etc. are the same.

NoTea Wrote:
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> Journeyman A/C Manuel Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > NoTea Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Pro hvac installer Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > serious hvac reply Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Hejdjjd Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > Carrier dual fuel (gas furnace & heat
> > pump)
> > > > or
> > > > > > Lennox (gas furnace) plus new A/C.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Difference is $2,000 installed. Both
> are
> > > 16
> > > > > > Seer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks!!
> > > > >
> > > > > I would not miss the chance to go dual
> fuel
> > > > heat
> > > > > pump/gas. The heat pump will pay for
> > itself.
> > > If
> > > > > you want the extra warmth of a gas
> furnace
> > at
> > > > any
> > > > > time it is available via a push of the
> > button
> > > > on
> > > > > the thermostat. The outdoor "balance
> point"
> > > > > temperature is adjustable as to what
> > > > temperature
> > > > > you want the furnace to take over for the
> > > heat
> > > > > pump automatically and most people set it
> a
> > > 30
> > > > to
> > > > > 35 degrees.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as the equipment goes both those
> > > brands
> > > > are
> > > > > high quality products as are most other
> > > brands
> > > > > with the exception of Goodman. A big
> > mistake
> > > > that
> > > > > some people make is to try and force a
> > > > contractor
> > > > > to install a product they are not
> familiar
> > > > with.
> > > > > Choose a contractor that has been in
> > business
> > > a
> > > > > long time and has a proven record but
> stay
> > > away
> > > > > from these huge contractors the advertise
> > on
> > > TV
> > > > > all day. Good luck!
> > > >
> > > > Bullshit. Goodman is commercial standard
> > > quality
> > > > and it outperforms Carrier and Lennox by a
> > > giant
> > > > margin.
> > >
> > > Dude, your an idiot. Explain to me how a 95%
> > AFUE
> > > Goodman Gas Furnace "outperforms" any
> other95%
> > > AFUE furnace. Or do you even understand basic
> > > physics? Now explain how a 16 SEER Goodman
> A/C
> > > "outperforms" any other 16 SEER A/C.
> > >
> > > I'll be waiting for an answer, which you
> won't
> > > have.
> >
> > Most Goodmans are 19 SEER. You do the math,
> > dipshit.
>
>
> Damn you're one goat fuck stupid fucker. Carrier
> also makes a 19 SEER unit. Now explain to me how
> the Goodman (Janijunk) 19 SEER is more energy
> efficient than the Carrier 19 SEER..

+1 he is stoopid

Most people who buy goodmans are broke, they will go for the lower seer units

Goodman is what is used in section 8 housing because it's cheap. The K-Mart of HVAC Companies.

The 10.5 year old Goodman furnace and A/C was ripped out today. Good riddance!

Went with the Carrier dual fuel. I got a nice tax refund, so here's to helping the local economy.

Thanks everybody for all the honest advice!! I should be comfortable this summer and not having to worry about the furnace breaking all the time this winter. And now I have heatpump as backup should this furnace breakdown too. No more boiling hot water, filling the bathtub with hot water and using a barbecue lighter when the Goodman broke every winter!!!!
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I have a Trane gas furnace that's 29 years old and still going strong.

5 years ago, I have also brought gas furnace, but before buying I have done a talk with the hvac technician and he suggested me the best furnace according to my requirement. Also, I get installed my furnace by boiler repair nj technician and the furnace still now is good. Proper installation is needed for proper functioning of HVAC system.