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It's Not The Guns
Posted by: War Games ()
Date: October 02, 2015 09:08AM

It's not the guns. It's a society where 10 year old kids are playing shooter games 4 hours a day, becoming numb to the act of shooter other people.

It's not the guns. It's a society that has embraced death, from killing the unborn to killing the old, sick and infirmed. It tells our kids that life doesn't matter.

It's not the guns. It's a society that has become balkanized with the highest levels of the government and the entertainment/news industry drive wedges for political gain or maximizing profits. Our kids grow up thinking their neighbors are evil and 'the enemy' that are trying to take away their rights, their clean air and water and their future.

It's not the guns. It's a society that puts violence and immorality on TV and in movies every night. Children see dozens of murders, rapes, assaults and more every week with graphic realism. Again, they become numb to seeing dead people and acts of violence.

It's not he guns. It's an society that has politicized our educational system and taught our kids that they deserve success. We no longer teach hard work, basic skills or how to think. We now teach that everyone who tries will succeed, emotional intelligence and social engineering and what to think. Kids grow up feeling entitled. Failure is viewed as someone else's fault. Blame is assigned and punishment must be meted out.

It's not the guns. It's a society that has allowed a small group of rabid extremists to lord over us, using convoluted court opinions that drive us apart and push God and absolute morality out of our schools, our local communities and in any public discourse. We've told our kids that 'anything goes' and there is no absolute right or wrong. Even murder and violence are now justifiable, if done in the name of some politically correct, political cause.

So the same rabid, fringe will continue to blame the guns. They will continue to use the media, the entertainment industry, the courts and the corrosive power to an out-of-control and lawless government to dumb our morals, our compassion and our rights in the name of what's good for society. All while they are all that is what's wrong with society.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: Dumbass libturdz. ()
Date: October 02, 2015 09:12AM

You could've just said.

It's not the guns, it's liberalism.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: War Games ()
Date: October 02, 2015 09:25AM

I forgot to add that we're drugging our kids, starting at the age of 4 or 5 for things like ADHD and anxiety with no real idea how that is affecting their brains. All so we don't have to parent our kids while we chase the next new iPhone or beach house. Most of these shooters are either on psychotropic drugs are have stopped taking their medications with no way to deal with their aggression, anxiety or anger because they haven't been taught basic human coping mechanisms and instead been drugged their whole lives.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: Libsmustdie ()
Date: October 02, 2015 09:34AM

Dumbass libturdz. Wrote:
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> You could've just said.
>
> It's not the guns, it's liberalism.


Need to shot liberals....That is the reason libtards are so scared of them, they know one day they will be turned against them one day....one day soon.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Date: October 02, 2015 09:35AM

War Games Wrote:
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> It's not the guns. It's a society where 10 year
> old kids are playing shooter games 4 hours a day,
> becoming numb to the act of shooter other people.

'Shooter games' with guns. So it is the guns.

> It's not the guns. It's a society that has
> embraced death, from killing the unborn to killing
> the old, sick and infirmed. It tells our kids
> that life doesn't matter.

And the death penalty. And hunting. And our glorification of guns. So it is the guns.

> It's not the guns. It's a society that has become
> balkanized with the highest levels of the
> government and the entertainment/news industry
> drive wedges for political gain or maximizing
> profits. Our kids grow up thinking their
> neighbors are evil and 'the enemy' that are trying
> to take away their rights, their clean air and
> water and their future.

That definitely cuts both ways. In case you haven't heard, the government, the entertainment/news industry, and academia are constantly vilified daily on talk radio, driving wedges for political gain, while glorifying guns and veiled references to armed insurrection. So it is the guns.

> It's not the guns. It's a society that puts
> violence and immorality on TV and in movies every
> night. Children see dozens of murders, rapes,
> assaults and more every week with graphic realism.
> Again, they become numb to seeing dead people and
> acts of violence.

Many committed with guns. So it is the guns.

> It's not he guns. It's an society that has
> politicized our educational system and taught our
> kids that they deserve success. We no longer
> teach hard work, basic skills or how to think. We
> now teach that everyone who tries will succeed,
> emotional intelligence and social engineering and
> what to think. Kids grow up feeling entitled.
> Failure is viewed as someone else's fault. Blame
> is assigned and punishment must be meted out.

Teaching kids that they deserve to succeed causes violence? That's just stupid. It's still the guns, though.

> It's not the guns. It's a society that has
> allowed a small group of rabid extremists to lord
> over us, using convoluted court opinions that
> drive us apart and push God and absolute morality
> out of our schools, our local communities and in
> any public discourse. We've told our kids that
> 'anything goes' and there is no absolute right or
> wrong. Even murder and violence are now
> justifiable, if done in the name of some
> politically correct, political cause.

That definitely cuts both ways. In case you haven't heard, the government, the entertainment/news industry, and academia are constantly vilified daily on talk radio, driving wedges for political gain, while glorifying guns and veiled references to armed insurrection. So it is the guns.

> So the same rabid, fringe will continue to blame
> the guns. They will continue to use the media,
> the entertainment industry, the courts and the
> corrosive power to an out-of-control and lawless
> government to dumb our morals, our compassion and
> our rights in the name of what's good for society.
> All while they are all that is what's wrong with
> society.

So the same rabid, fringe will continue to glorify the guns. They will continue to use their political jackals and the corrosive power of hate to to stoke anger and fear towards the government regardless of the damage it causes to our society. All while they are all that is what's wrong with society.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: Sillary Clit ()
Date: October 02, 2015 09:37AM

I'd also point out that its the fault of a society that doesn't emphasize parental responsibility for their children's actions and behavior.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: Conserva-tards! ()
Date: October 02, 2015 09:37AM

Libsmustdie Wrote:
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> Dumbass libturdz. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You could've just said.
> >
> > It's not the guns, it's liberalism.
>
>
> Need to shot liberals....That is the reason
> libtards are so scared of them, they know one day
> they will be turned against them one day....one
> day soon.

Bring it, bitch.

Of course, we both know that you're way too much of a pussy to do anything but whine, moan, and complain. Truly, you are a bitch.

Conserva-tards!

LoLz!

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: WxYue ()
Date: October 02, 2015 09:39AM

Sillary Clit Wrote:
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> I'd also point out that its the fault of a society
> that doesn't emphasize parental responsibility for
> their children's actions and behavior.


Sounds like this kid had a helicopter mom who smothered him.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: yoj ()
Date: October 02, 2015 09:42AM

The Voice of Reason Wrote:
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> So the same rabid, fringe will continue to glorify
> the guns. They will continue to use their
> political jackals and the corrosive power of hate
> to to stoke anger and fear towards the government
> regardless of the damage it causes to our society.
> All while they are all that is what's wrong with
> society.

Well there we finally have it, if you are a defender of the United States Constitution you used to be called an American citizen. Now you are "what's wrong with society". Never mind that the US Constitution is the _reason_ we used to have a society here.

Support the Second Amendment = you are a hater and stoke anger towards the government? The government is supposed to follow the document your circular logic is calling out the "fringes" for supporting.

Some people literally have no idea what they are saying past the pixels on their screen. The alternative to the Constitution is ISIS throwing people off rooftops... so quick to burn it so you can learn what real "intolerance" is? I don't get it.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: No Knock ()
Date: October 02, 2015 09:42AM

Libsmustdie Wrote:
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> Dumbass libturdz. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You could've just said.
> >
> > It's not the guns, it's liberalism.
>
>
> Need to shot liberals....That is the reason
> libtards are so scared of them, they know one day
> they will be turned against them one day....one
> day soon.


Time for some kinetic operations here in the homeland.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: vPkDe ()
Date: October 02, 2015 09:42AM

My simple gun control law:

1. License and insurance to own a gun. More rigorous requirements (mandatory training, testing and mental health screening) for types.
2. No restrictions on where you can carry a gun, number of guns owned, or limits on amo.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: Sillary Clit ()
Date: October 02, 2015 09:44AM

yoj Wrote:
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> The Voice of Reason Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So the same rabid, fringe will continue to
> glorify
> > the guns. They will continue to use their
> > political jackals and the corrosive power of
> hate
> > to to stoke anger and fear towards the
> government
> > regardless of the damage it causes to our
> society.
> > All while they are all that is what's wrong
> with
> > society.
>
> Well there we finally have it, if you are a
> defender of the United States Constitution you
> used to be called an American citizen. Now you
> are "what's wrong with society". Never mind that
> the US Constitution is the _reason_ we used to
> have a society here.
>
> Support the Second Amendment = you are a hater and
> stoke anger towards the government? The
> government is supposed to follow the document your
> circular logic is calling out the "fringes" for
> supporting.
>
> Some people literally have no idea what they are
> saying past the pixels on their screen. The
> alternative to the Constitution is ISIS throwing
> people off rooftops... so quick to burn it so you
> can learn what real "intolerance" is? I don't get
> it.


+1

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: Not too bad ()
Date: October 02, 2015 09:45AM

vPkDe Wrote:
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> My simple gun control law:
>
> 1. License and insurance to own a gun. More
> rigorous requirements (mandatory training, testing
> and mental health screening) for types.
> 2. No restrictions on where you can carry a gun,
> number of guns owned, or limits on amo.


I could live with that.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: Redlegs1011 ()
Date: October 02, 2015 09:46AM

No Knock Wrote:
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> Libsmustdie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Dumbass libturdz. Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > You could've just said.
> > >
> > > It's not the guns, it's liberalism.
> >
> >
> > Need to shot liberals....That is the reason
> > libtards are so scared of them, they know one
> day
> > they will be turned against them one day....one
> > day soon.
>
>
> Time for some kinetic operations here in the
> homeland.
JADE HELM IS REAL AND ONGOING......They are rounding up guns and christains as we speak.....OBAMA HAS A KINETIC OPERATION THAT IS ON GOING....

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: Fred's Neighbor's Friend ()
Date: October 02, 2015 09:52AM

It absolutely is the guns. It is the culture that glamorizes them. That said gun control is about as effective as the war on drugs and Prohibition. Keeping something from people is a flawed approach. Until the appeal and fascination with guns ends - in other words a total culture change - numerous gun deaths will continue to occur. People need to become repulsed by guns, not in love with them, for real change.

And that is not likely to ever happen.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: think ww1 of dead ()
Date: October 02, 2015 09:55AM

Fred's Neighbor's Friend Wrote:
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> It absolutely is the guns. It is the culture that
> glamorizes them. That said gun control is about as
> effective as the war on drugs and Prohibition.
> Keeping something from people is a flawed
> approach. Until the appeal and fascination with
> guns ends - in other words a total culture change
> - numerous gun deaths will continue to occur.
> People need to become repulsed by guns, not in
> love with them, for real change.
>
> And that is not likely to ever happen.

The only way that happens is that enough people feel the direct loss from gun violence. We are getting there, but we have a long way to go. The amount of dead to shock us into changing the culture is going to be immense, but it is the only way it is going to happen.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: H. Weinstein ()
Date: October 02, 2015 09:56AM

"It is the culture that glamorizes them." and that's mostly from Hollywood movies and television where characters, played by libtards who want to scrap your 2nd Amendment rights, use guns with impunity. Some role models. Funny that.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: NXNbX ()
Date: October 02, 2015 09:57AM

H. Weinstein Wrote:
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> "It is the culture that glamorizes them." and
> that's mostly from Hollywood movies and television
> where characters, played by libtards who want to
> scrap your 2nd Amendment rights, use guns with
> impunity. Some role models. Funny that.


They are capitalist. Why are you a commie?

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: War Games ()
Date: October 02, 2015 10:18AM

The Voice of Reason Wrote:
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> ...

The problem with your spin is that we've had guns in our society since the beginning. We had machine guns in up till the 1930's. Those were banned because criminals were using them to kill other criminals, often killing or wounding innocents caught in the crossfire. We've had 'assault' weapons since the 1980s and they were almost always used to by criminals (drug gangs specifically) to kill other criminals. So we've had these weapons out there for a very long time.

Yet it's just recently, basically since Columbine in the 1990's, that we've had these mass shootings of innocent civilians. Something's changed. Regular gun owners aren't the one's glorifying guns. It's our entertainment industry that does that. It's the video games. It's the movies. It's the TV shows. Regular gun owners have existed since the founding of this once-great country and only recently have we seen the random, mass killings by so many all over the country.

Sorry, your spin isn't cutting it.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: iLester ()
Date: October 02, 2015 10:32AM

Guns are the preferred vehicle for the murder-suicide. It's very effective at killing people. More importantly, it's very effective at making sure you can exit with the least amount of pain and struggle. These are people who are mad at society and want to get in one last act of retribution before they kill themselves. Youtube and other social media allow them to live out these final acts over and over before they actually carry them out.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: It's the naggers ()
Date: October 02, 2015 10:38AM

Mostly it be the naggers.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: George Allen ()
Date: October 02, 2015 10:48AM

How do you know the black side didn't try to stop the white mass murdered side of this mullato kid?

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: Vexxxed ()
Date: October 02, 2015 10:51AM

Crime rate index represents the average crime rate for a local area in comparison to nearby areas and the national average.

A crime index of 100 represents the national average. Fairfax County, has 21% less property crime than Virginia, and is 38% below the nation’s average.

Fairfax County, has 61% less personal crime than Virginia and when compared to that of United States, Fairfax County is 78% below the national average.

According to Pew Research, 38% of Fairfax County households possess a firearm.

In summation, go fuck yourself.
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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: fuxxxxed ()
Date: October 03, 2015 01:44PM

Vexxxed Wrote:
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> Crime rate index represents the average crime rate
> for a local area in comparison to nearby areas and
> the national average.
>
> A crime index of 100 represents the national
> average. Fairfax County, has 21% less property
> crime than Virginia, and is 38% below the
> nation’s average.
>
> Fairfax County, has 61% less personal crime than
> Virginia and when compared to that of United
> States, Fairfax County is 78% below the national
> average.
>
> According to Pew Research, 38% of Fairfax County
> households possess a firearm.
>
> In summation, go fuck yourself.


Let's make it easier for mentally deranged people to buy guns by keeping gun show loop holes and lessen background requirements. Let's also help them double the carnage and kills by making it possible to get more powerful guns easier and high capacity magazines. All of this is required because billy bo bob can't shoot worth shit and needs a high capacity magazine to go hunting on weekends.

Fuckin teatards.

Vexxxed honest question, why do you switch names so much. You are the same person who wants to kill ragheads and niggers no? You are the same person who copy pastes bullshit no? You all have extremely similar traits in your writing and posting times if not... might just be a case of deranged racist little brains being tied back to a single inbred family though.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: Guns Don't Kill People ()
Date: October 03, 2015 01:48PM

Gun don't kill people.

Oh wait... yes they do.
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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: Gun don't Kill People ()
Date: October 03, 2015 01:51PM

Gun don't Kill People
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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: Guns Don't Kill People ()
Date: October 03, 2015 01:52PM

Gun don't Kill People
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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: Gunny ()
Date: October 03, 2015 02:00PM

Every major industrialized country has mentally ill people.

Every major industrialized country has kids playing violent video games and watching violent movies.

Only one has an unfettered access to firearms and a culture of death that encourages everyone to carry.

Guns in the home result in exponentially more domestic violence deaths and accidental deaths than legitimate self-defense shootings.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: HooLeo ()
Date: October 03, 2015 02:07PM

Gunny Wrote:
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> Every major industrialized country has mentally
> ill people.
>
> Every major industrialized country has kids
> playing violent video games and watching violent
> movies.
>
> Only one has an unfettered access to firearms and
> a culture of death that encourages everyone to
> carry.
>
> Guns in the home result in exponentially more
> domestic violence deaths and accidental deaths
> than legitimate self-defense shootings.

The 2nd Amendment still stands. Get used to it. Move to Mexico.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: Just Saying... ()
Date: October 03, 2015 02:11PM

It not the gun, it the easy access to them. Restrict if you are diagnose with mental problem period.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: Amendments ()
Date: October 03, 2015 02:21PM

First Amendment protects freedom of religion. There are religions in the world where human sacrifice is allowed. The Constitution doesn't allow murder in the name of religion.

We all have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The Second Amendment should not be allowed to supersede that. The Second Amendment can be restricted. There's a reason why you can't pack a fully automatic weapon on the street. There is precedent.

Ultimately, you will need to "get used to it."

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: 7wYhU ()
Date: October 03, 2015 02:26PM

Gunny Wrote:
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> Every major industrialized country has mentally
> ill people.
>
> Every major industrialized country has kids
> playing violent video games and watching violent
> movies.
>
> Only one has an unfettered access to firearms and
> a culture of death that encourages everyone to
> carry.

That only works if you cherry-pick what countries you're comparing. Many countries have much higher murder rates than ours AND very tightly controlled access to guns.

>
> Guns in the home result in exponentially more
> domestic violence deaths and accidental deaths
> than legitimate self-defense shootings.


Yet, the rates are still tiny. 10^ diddly squat still = diddly squat.

Of the 30,000 gun-related deaths/year, 2/3rds or more are suicides.

Of the < 10,000 remaining, about 7,000 - 8,000 are young males (mostly black) shooting each other (mostly in urban areas with greater gun control).

Accidental shooting deaths are around 600 - 800/year. Tiny in the scheme of things and far, far, exceeded by other common accidental causes.

So that leaves ~2.000/year which might fall within the category of domestic violence, along with all other categories, some of which are for example, women shooting an assailant known to them which falls within domestic violence. Again a relatively small number and tiny risk relative to population and gun ownership numbers.

On whole across the population, your lifetime risk of dying from a gun shot is roughly equal to dying in an aviation accident. That obviously increases greatly if you're a young black gang member in Chicago involved in the drug trade. Likewise, it decreases greatly in the case of a typical gun owner who is not.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: Major Tom ()
Date: October 03, 2015 02:39PM

^
^
Talk about "cherry picking." Look up the term "industrialized nation" and look at which nation leads the firearm death rate. Yes, we do trail some third world nation in a state of perpetual civil war. But compared to any "advanced nation?" Quit lying.

Where's your "self-defense" stats? Why isn't the NRA touting those?

As for your airplane crash analogy, you are right. We should have government agencies like the FAA and NTSB that come in a propose legislative and regulatory changes after a mass shooting to reduce their number. Glad to see you see the light.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: Ground Control ()
Date: October 03, 2015 03:30PM

Major Tom Wrote:
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> ^
> ^
> Talk about "cherry picking." Look up the term
> "industrialized nation" and look at which nation
> leads the firearm death rate. Yes, we do trail
> some third world nation in a state of perpetual
> civil war. But compared to any "advanced nation?"
> Quit lying.


Russia isn't an industrialized nation? Even after the break-up it's still the 10th largest in the world and their intentional homicide rate is murder rate is +2X ours. How about Brazil? 6th largest economy and theirs is 6X ours. Mexico is the 15th largest economy and 5X ours. All have very strong limits on private firearms ownership.

Brazil 7th largest economy, 18th highest murder rate at 25.2/100,000
Russia 10th largest economy, 66th highest murder rate at 9.2
Mexico 15th largest, 22nd highest at 21.5

US is 1st largest (depending on how counted against EU and China), 111th highest murder rate at 4.7.

You want to only count mostly Western European countries which have historically lower murder rates to begin with regardless of guns or gun laws. They also (at least until recently), had very homogeneous populations and other social and demographic aspects of their populations which favor lower murder rates (e.g., fewer concentrations of lower-tier groups within which crimes and murder are much higher, fewer inter-population conflicts among different groups, less gang and drug violence which are primary drivers, etc.).

>
> Where's your "self-defense" stats? Why isn't the
> NRA touting those?

Plenty available.

> As for your airplane crash analogy, you are right.
> We should have government agencies like the FAA
> and NTSB that come in a propose legislative and
> regulatory changes after a mass shooting to reduce
> their number. Glad to see you see the light.

It's not an analogy. It's the actual lifetime risk. You're not going to create regulations to prevent mass shootings. They are in the scheme of things and a population our size rare events which do not correlate to much of anything that you might regulate. You can't legislate against determined anti-social crazies. Just like you can't legislate to prevent terrorism or criminal behavior.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: October 03, 2015 03:35PM

Don't forget South Africa's alarming crime rate; they are a BRICS nation and a regional superpower, yet rape and murder is off the charts.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/03/2015 03:36PM by eesh.

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Re: It's Not The Guns
Posted by: xwKYL ()
Date: October 03, 2015 04:24PM

Major Tom Wrote:
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> ^
> ^
> Talk about "cherry picking." Look up the term
> "industrialized nation" and look at which nation
> leads the firearm death rate. Yes, we do trail
> some third world nation in a state of perpetual
> civil war. But compared to any "advanced nation?"
> Quit lying.
>
> Where's your "self-defense" stats? Why isn't the
> NRA touting those?
>
> As for your airplane crash analogy, you are right.
> We should have government agencies like the FAA
> and NTSB that come in a propose legislative and
> regulatory changes after a mass shooting to reduce
> their number. Glad to see you see the light.


The US has about the same population as the whole of Western Europe. And Europe doesn't have a nig problem like we do. Or Mexican gangs roaming across their boarder with automatic weapons. There is no 'apples-to-apples' comparison between the US and some country the size of one of our states that has a homogeneous population.

We've always had access to guns in this country. But we've also never been as soulless and im/amoral as we are now.

Once the convince you idiot sheeple that we can no longer be trusted with guns, it's only a matter of time before they convince you we can't be trusted with free speech. Or the right to vote. Or the right to be innocent until proven guilty. It's already happening for all of these things in bits and pieces. Wake Up Sheeple! Before you have no more rights left.

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