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Sad Photo of Drowned Syrian Boy- The Real Story
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WingNut
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Date: September 10, 2015 08:35AM
This is heartbreaking regardless of how this boy died and became part of this sad picture:
What really may have happened is explored below-
1. What’s the truth behind the story of the drowned boy Aylan Kurdi?
There’s just so much that doesn’t add up. Starting with the fact that the boy’s name is actually Alan Shenu. His father Abdullah claims he and his family were fleeing the fighting in his ‘home town’ Kobani.
Yet according to the Guardian they have been living in Turkey for three years – long before the fighting in Kobani started or indeed ISIS really existed – and before that in Damascus.
In Turkey, their rent appears to have been paid for by a sister in Canada and they had over $4,400 in cash so they were in no immediate danger. Abdullah’s accounts of his motives, of his intentions and what actually happened are wildly inconsistent. In some versions he was heading for Sweden.
In others he was off to Canada (which had already once denied his asylum application)to have his teeth fixed, where his sister said he intended to have his teeth fixed. As for what he tells us about the tragic boat journey in which his wife and children drowned: was he even with them when it happened?
For example, he told the Mail that he watched his wife and children drown in front of him. But then later in his account, he says: “I looked for my wife and child on the beach but couldn’t find them. I thought they had got scared and had run away and I went back to Bodrum.”
2. Who invented the story about the torture and the teeth?
Tima Kurdi’s unhelpful revelation that her brother had risked his family’s life to “get his damaged teeth fixed” did not sit well with the media narrative that the Kurdis were tragic victims of the Syrian conflict.
When people began pointing this out on social media, it threatened to undermine the power “photo that changed the world” story. But then, astonishingly quickly, a handy explanation emerged: the people pouring scorn on Kurdi’s story were “right wing extremists”; the reason Kurdi had lost his teeth was that he had been tortured by the Assad regime and had them all removed.
The meme – for that’s what it quickly became as people began reposting it on social media – appears to have originated with this Syrian blogger Kenan Rahmani.
Here’s what it says:
1) Abdullah Kurdi, the father, was detained for 5 months in Air Force Intelligence in Damascus. While in detention, he was tortured and his teeth were pulled out. He had to sell his shop in Damascus in order to bribe the officers to let him out. This cost him 5,000,000 Syrian Liras (around $25,000)
2) After he bribed his way out of jail, Abdullah fled to Aleppo with his wife and sons, Alyan and Ghalib. The situation in Aleppo became dangerous due to the constant aerial bombardment, so he fled again to Kobani, his hometown.
3) When ISIS attacked Kobani last year, the family could no longer live in their hometown, so they fled to Turkey. Once in Turkey, the Turkish government did not provide them with assistance, so they paid almost $6,000 to secure 4 spots on a rubber dingy to the Greek island of Kos.
4) While on the boat, rough waters caused the boat to flip. The lifejackets they were given were fake. His sons and wife all drowned in front of his eyes, in his arms.
5) Kurdi had applied in June for refuge to Canada, but was rejected. After Aylan’s photo became a media story, he was reportedly offered citizenship to Canada. But he doesn’t want to go to Canada or Europe anymore. He says he will go bury his family in Kobani and stay there to fight against ISIS, because everything has been taken away from him and he has “nothing to live for.”
So if the world wants to no more Aylans on the beach, someone needs to do some combination of the following based on above: (1) stop torture and arbitrary detention by the Assad regime, (2) stop the regime’s aerial bombardment, (3) stop ISIS, (4) make traveling to Europe safe, (5) get Canada and the USA to accept more refugees.
Do we believe this? Any of it? (I fell for it myself briefly. Before I started asking questions like: “OK. So Kurdi had his teeth pulled under torture by Assad’s people. Wouldn’t this have been one of the first bits of information he gave to all the reporters who crowded round him hungry for tear-jerking autobiographical details? How come we only got to discover this back story from some random blogger in Damascus?
3. Why this dead boy in particular and why now?
Yes, it was a moving photograph. Not least because, as has since become clear, the photograph was carefully stage managed (see the comments section here for further details).
Drowned bodies do not have their hair flattened against their head, clothes which aren’t disarrayed, or legs and arms lying straight. It also remains a mystery why, if it has been floating in the sea for hours, the boy’s body is so pink.
So, yes, a moving picture. (Though surely a great deal more dishonest and contrived than, say, the photograph of the naked little girl who has been struck by napalm running down a road in Vietnam). But over the last five or ten years, hundreds of dead children will have been washed up on the shores of the Mediterranean from Lesbos to Lampedusa – all largely ignored by the media.
What I think we’d all like to know is: why this boy, why now? What was it that prompted the world’s editors to make this particular photograph their big story? Who started it? And what – given that they must have been aware of the effects it would have, over and above selling more newspapers – was their motivation?
4. What does a “moral duty” look like when it’s at home?
David Cameron has just bumped up the number of Syrian refugees Britain is going to accept from 4,000 to 20,000. Many other European countries are being bullied by Germany into doing likewise. The media narrative – promulgated by organisations like the BBC and the talking heads it chooses to sound off on this issue – is that this is no more than our “moral duty”. But it has been many decades since any EU nation bore any responsibility for what’s going on in Syria. Indeed, it’s one of the very few places in the Middle East where, conspicuously, nay miraculously, we haven’t intervened.
Is the rule, now, that we have to feel bad not just about the countries (Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc) where our meddling has made things worse – but also that we should feel personally responsible for those countries (Syria, etc) where we have made no difference?
And if this “moral duty” to save refugees extends to the whole world how come it didn’t apply when in Rwanda, Burundi and the Democratic Republic of Congo when babies were having their heads bashed against trees and pregnant mothers were being eviscerated with machetes? Or is that black people are just too much trouble?
5. Where is the Ummah?
Douglas Murray makes this point so brilliantly I’ll leave it to him. Short version: if the Muslim world is one big protective family, then how come large swathes of the Muslim world are doing absolutely zilch to house the displaced peoples of mostly-Muslim Syria.
Well Iran and Qatar, the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Turkey and almost every other Muslim country in the Middle East have been involving themselves in the Syrian civil war for four years now. Many have sent fully-equipped armies of their own to fight intra-Islamic rivalries in the homeland of the Syrian peoples. And yet it is Europeans who are falling for the idea that because of this, it is our responsibility – not theirs – to pay for the mess they have created.
Well it seems to me that at the very least we should ask these countries ‘Where is your “Ummah” now?’ Sure, Jordan and Lebanon are grudgingly having to cope with plenty of refugees from Syria. But not one of the Gulf States – not one – has a resettlement programme for a single Syrian refugee.
It’s hard to dispute his conclusion, either:
But one thing I think we can all take away is that the ‘Ummah’ is a croc[k]. There’s no such thing. It’s just a trick to beat Americans and Brits and Israelis with as and when it suits.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/08/the-5-awkward-questions-they-wont-answer-about-the-drowned-boy-syria-and-our-moral-duty/
What really may have happened is explored below-
(TL;DR Version- Father of boy and family had lived in Turkey for 3 yrs prior to the overtake of much of Syria by ISIS. Father had $4000 in his possession during boat trip. Boat trip to to have teeth fixed in the generous welfare states of Europe. Family was not in immediate danger. Kid drowned because his father chose to sponge off more advanced societies.)
1. What’s the truth behind the story of the drowned boy Aylan Kurdi?
There’s just so much that doesn’t add up. Starting with the fact that the boy’s name is actually Alan Shenu. His father Abdullah claims he and his family were fleeing the fighting in his ‘home town’ Kobani.
Yet according to the Guardian they have been living in Turkey for three years – long before the fighting in Kobani started or indeed ISIS really existed – and before that in Damascus.
In Turkey, their rent appears to have been paid for by a sister in Canada and they had over $4,400 in cash so they were in no immediate danger. Abdullah’s accounts of his motives, of his intentions and what actually happened are wildly inconsistent. In some versions he was heading for Sweden.
In others he was off to Canada (which had already once denied his asylum application)to have his teeth fixed, where his sister said he intended to have his teeth fixed. As for what he tells us about the tragic boat journey in which his wife and children drowned: was he even with them when it happened?
For example, he told the Mail that he watched his wife and children drown in front of him. But then later in his account, he says: “I looked for my wife and child on the beach but couldn’t find them. I thought they had got scared and had run away and I went back to Bodrum.”
2. Who invented the story about the torture and the teeth?
Tima Kurdi’s unhelpful revelation that her brother had risked his family’s life to “get his damaged teeth fixed” did not sit well with the media narrative that the Kurdis were tragic victims of the Syrian conflict.
When people began pointing this out on social media, it threatened to undermine the power “photo that changed the world” story. But then, astonishingly quickly, a handy explanation emerged: the people pouring scorn on Kurdi’s story were “right wing extremists”; the reason Kurdi had lost his teeth was that he had been tortured by the Assad regime and had them all removed.
The meme – for that’s what it quickly became as people began reposting it on social media – appears to have originated with this Syrian blogger Kenan Rahmani.
Here’s what it says:
1) Abdullah Kurdi, the father, was detained for 5 months in Air Force Intelligence in Damascus. While in detention, he was tortured and his teeth were pulled out. He had to sell his shop in Damascus in order to bribe the officers to let him out. This cost him 5,000,000 Syrian Liras (around $25,000)
2) After he bribed his way out of jail, Abdullah fled to Aleppo with his wife and sons, Alyan and Ghalib. The situation in Aleppo became dangerous due to the constant aerial bombardment, so he fled again to Kobani, his hometown.
3) When ISIS attacked Kobani last year, the family could no longer live in their hometown, so they fled to Turkey. Once in Turkey, the Turkish government did not provide them with assistance, so they paid almost $6,000 to secure 4 spots on a rubber dingy to the Greek island of Kos.
4) While on the boat, rough waters caused the boat to flip. The lifejackets they were given were fake. His sons and wife all drowned in front of his eyes, in his arms.
5) Kurdi had applied in June for refuge to Canada, but was rejected. After Aylan’s photo became a media story, he was reportedly offered citizenship to Canada. But he doesn’t want to go to Canada or Europe anymore. He says he will go bury his family in Kobani and stay there to fight against ISIS, because everything has been taken away from him and he has “nothing to live for.”
So if the world wants to no more Aylans on the beach, someone needs to do some combination of the following based on above: (1) stop torture and arbitrary detention by the Assad regime, (2) stop the regime’s aerial bombardment, (3) stop ISIS, (4) make traveling to Europe safe, (5) get Canada and the USA to accept more refugees.
Do we believe this? Any of it? (I fell for it myself briefly. Before I started asking questions like: “OK. So Kurdi had his teeth pulled under torture by Assad’s people. Wouldn’t this have been one of the first bits of information he gave to all the reporters who crowded round him hungry for tear-jerking autobiographical details? How come we only got to discover this back story from some random blogger in Damascus?
3. Why this dead boy in particular and why now?
Yes, it was a moving photograph. Not least because, as has since become clear, the photograph was carefully stage managed (see the comments section here for further details).
Drowned bodies do not have their hair flattened against their head, clothes which aren’t disarrayed, or legs and arms lying straight. It also remains a mystery why, if it has been floating in the sea for hours, the boy’s body is so pink.
So, yes, a moving picture. (Though surely a great deal more dishonest and contrived than, say, the photograph of the naked little girl who has been struck by napalm running down a road in Vietnam). But over the last five or ten years, hundreds of dead children will have been washed up on the shores of the Mediterranean from Lesbos to Lampedusa – all largely ignored by the media.
What I think we’d all like to know is: why this boy, why now? What was it that prompted the world’s editors to make this particular photograph their big story? Who started it? And what – given that they must have been aware of the effects it would have, over and above selling more newspapers – was their motivation?
4. What does a “moral duty” look like when it’s at home?
David Cameron has just bumped up the number of Syrian refugees Britain is going to accept from 4,000 to 20,000. Many other European countries are being bullied by Germany into doing likewise. The media narrative – promulgated by organisations like the BBC and the talking heads it chooses to sound off on this issue – is that this is no more than our “moral duty”. But it has been many decades since any EU nation bore any responsibility for what’s going on in Syria. Indeed, it’s one of the very few places in the Middle East where, conspicuously, nay miraculously, we haven’t intervened.
Is the rule, now, that we have to feel bad not just about the countries (Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc) where our meddling has made things worse – but also that we should feel personally responsible for those countries (Syria, etc) where we have made no difference?
And if this “moral duty” to save refugees extends to the whole world how come it didn’t apply when in Rwanda, Burundi and the Democratic Republic of Congo when babies were having their heads bashed against trees and pregnant mothers were being eviscerated with machetes? Or is that black people are just too much trouble?
5. Where is the Ummah?
Douglas Murray makes this point so brilliantly I’ll leave it to him. Short version: if the Muslim world is one big protective family, then how come large swathes of the Muslim world are doing absolutely zilch to house the displaced peoples of mostly-Muslim Syria.
Well Iran and Qatar, the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Turkey and almost every other Muslim country in the Middle East have been involving themselves in the Syrian civil war for four years now. Many have sent fully-equipped armies of their own to fight intra-Islamic rivalries in the homeland of the Syrian peoples. And yet it is Europeans who are falling for the idea that because of this, it is our responsibility – not theirs – to pay for the mess they have created.
Well it seems to me that at the very least we should ask these countries ‘Where is your “Ummah” now?’ Sure, Jordan and Lebanon are grudgingly having to cope with plenty of refugees from Syria. But not one of the Gulf States – not one – has a resettlement programme for a single Syrian refugee.
It’s hard to dispute his conclusion, either:
But one thing I think we can all take away is that the ‘Ummah’ is a croc[k]. There’s no such thing. It’s just a trick to beat Americans and Brits and Israelis with as and when it suits.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/08/the-5-awkward-questions-they-wont-answer-about-the-drowned-boy-syria-and-our-moral-duty/
Western societies must stop providing temptations in the form of welfare. Irresponsible and ignorant parents like these will continue to endanger their innocent children for a chance for a welfare free ride.
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Sad Photo of Drowned Syrian Boy- The Real Story
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Date: September 10, 2015 08:39AM
If it was due to fixing bowels I'd have empathy but this father. Just a terrible man and this poor kid.
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Date: September 10, 2015 04:19PM
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Date: September 10, 2015 04:21PM
^^^^
Winner!
Winner!
Re: Sad Photo of Drowned Syrian Boy- The Real Story
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Vexxxed
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Date: September 10, 2015 05:20PM
I bet you giggled with every picture you posted didn't you eesh?
What a sick individual you are.
What a sick individual you are.
Re: Sad Photo of Drowned Syrian Boy- The Real Story
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Date: September 10, 2015 05:22PM
Vexxxed Wrote:
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> I bet you giggled with every picture you posted
> didn't you eesh?
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> What a sick individual you are.
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> I bet you giggled with every picture you posted
> didn't you eesh?
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> What a sick individual you are.
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Date: September 10, 2015 05:45PM
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In Summary
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Date: September 10, 2015 06:08PM
If you threw in thousands of dead and maimed American soldiers, a million dead and maimed Iraqi's, and George Bush in front of a "Mission Accomplished" sign - this would be a perfect photo to sum up the net ROI from George Bush's and Dick Cheney's accomplishments, Well - maybe you would have to add a destroyed US and global economy and millions of unemployed too - but it would be hard to fit all that into one picture. The GOP doesn't have a wide angle lens big enough.
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libtards lol
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Date: September 10, 2015 06:22PM
In Summary Wrote:
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> If you threw in thousands of dead and maimed
> American soldiers, a million dead and maimed
> Iraqi's, and George Bush in front of a "Mission
> Accomplished" sign - this would be a perfect photo
> to sum up the net ROI from George Bush's and Dick
> Cheney's accomplishments, Well - maybe you would
> have to add a destroyed US and global economy and
> millions of unemployed too - but it would be hard
> to fit all that into one picture. The GOP doesn't
> have a wide angle lens big enough.
Libtards lol!
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> If you threw in thousands of dead and maimed
> American soldiers, a million dead and maimed
> Iraqi's, and George Bush in front of a "Mission
> Accomplished" sign - this would be a perfect photo
> to sum up the net ROI from George Bush's and Dick
> Cheney's accomplishments, Well - maybe you would
> have to add a destroyed US and global economy and
> millions of unemployed too - but it would be hard
> to fit all that into one picture. The GOP doesn't
> have a wide angle lens big enough.
Libtards lol!
Re: Sad Photo of Drowned Syrian Boy- The Real Story
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Libtardz LoLz!
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Date: September 10, 2015 10:33PM
In Summary Wrote:
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> If you threw in thousands of dead and maimed
> American soldiers, a million dead and maimed
> Iraqi's, and George Bush in front of a "Mission
> Accomplished" sign - this would be a perfect photo
> to sum up the net ROI from George Bush's and Dick
> Cheney's accomplishments, Well - maybe you would
> have to add a destroyed US and global economy and
> millions of unemployed too - but it would be hard
> to fit all that into one picture. The GOP doesn't
> have a wide angle lens big enough.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN. The war's over dude. Come home.
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> If you threw in thousands of dead and maimed
> American soldiers, a million dead and maimed
> Iraqi's, and George Bush in front of a "Mission
> Accomplished" sign - this would be a perfect photo
> to sum up the net ROI from George Bush's and Dick
> Cheney's accomplishments, Well - maybe you would
> have to add a destroyed US and global economy and
> millions of unemployed too - but it would be hard
> to fit all that into one picture. The GOP doesn't
> have a wide angle lens big enough.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN. The war's over dude. Come home.
Re: Sad Photo of Drowned Syrian Boy- The Real Story
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Date: September 11, 2015 06:00AM
>Douglas Murray makes this point so brilliantly I’ll leave it to him. Short version: if the Muslim world is one big protective family, then how come large swathes of the Muslim world are doing absolutely zilch to house the displaced peoples of mostly-Muslim Syria.
Because these Muslims are infidels that follow the wrong brand of Islam.
Because these Muslims are infidels that follow the wrong brand of Islam.
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Date: March 03, 2017 03:55AM
Vexxxed Wrote:
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> I bet you giggled with every picture you posted
> didn't you eesh?
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> What a sick individual you are.
I sure chuckled.
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> I bet you giggled with every picture you posted
> didn't you eesh?
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> What a sick individual you are.
I sure chuckled.
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Date: March 03, 2017 04:03AM
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That there's some funny stuffs
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Date: March 03, 2017 10:38AM
Wowie, keep em coming!
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Date: March 03, 2017 02:22PM
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Fuck you////////
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Date: March 13, 2021 09:00AM
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the guy's shirt says 'INCEL"
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Date: March 13, 2021 11:49AM
anyone else notice?