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Can a restraining order protect you as a well as a gun can?
Posted by: Gun control fails again ()
Date: June 15, 2015 03:19PM

New Jersey Woman Murdered While Awaiting State’s Permission To Defend Herself With A Firearm



The June 3, 2015, tragedy in Berlin Township, NJ, where Carol Bowne was stabbed to death by her convicted felon ex-boyfriend Michael Anthony Eitel after securing a restraining order against him could have, and should have, been prevented.

Ms. Bowne obviously understood that a restraining order is simply a piece of paper that cannot effectively stop someone who is determined to cause harm. She had installed an alarm system, placed security cameras around her residence and promptly applied for a New Jersey permit to purchase a handgun on April 21, 2015.

The state of New Jersey is lawfully required to respond to permit seekers within 30 days.

Records indicate that Bowne called to inquire about her petition on day 41. Yet, in a tragic and heart wrenching turn, she was stabbed to death two days later in her own driveway as her request for her state government’s permission to protect herself with a firearm was still being processed.

After a three-day manhunt Eitel, who had been charged with the first-degree murder of Carol Bowne, was found dead Saturday, June 6, 2015.

Camden County prosecutors said he had hanged himself in the West Berlin home of a different ex-girlfriend who, “had been out of the home for her own safety.”

Carol Bowne had taken every legal step she could to protect herself in New Jersey. Her death, at the hands of a convicted felon, was a result of a state government which has purposely implemented gun laws that prevented Bowne’s right to self-defense.

If Bowne had obtained a firearm she would then have had to apply for the right to carry that firearm outside of her residence. New Jersey is a “May Issue” state, which means that every applicant not applying as a law enforcement officer must demonstrate justifiable need in order to obtain a permit.

Obviously, Bowne had justifiable need. The court acknowledged that need having granted her a restraining order against her attacker. Did this information help expedite the process of allowing Bowne to purchase a gun to protect and defend her life? Sadly, the answer is no.

Carol Bowne was left stripped of her fundamental right to protect her life with the most efficient tool available to her. The Constitution reads the same for every American, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

This is not simply a New Jersey issue. This is an American issue. When American citizens are prohibited and overlorded by state and local governments that determine who can and cannot exercise their Constitutional rights we, as a nation, need to take note and take a stand for freedom. Do not for a moment think, “At least I don’t live there.” The citizens of New Jersey are Americans just the same as the rest of us. They should be free to exercise their unalienable rights, just the same as any other American.

“Shall not be infringed,” crosses every barrier. Constitutional rights apply to all American citizens regardless of class, creed, gender, race, disability and location. They are all encompassing and they in danger of extinction if we do not stand together to protect and preserve them as a nation.

Do not let Carol Bowne’s savage murder turn into merely another statistic. Instead, honor her drive to protect herself. Let her story fuel your commitment to restoring American citizens the freedom to exercise their constitutionally protected rights.

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Re: Can a restraining order protect you as a well as a gun can?
Posted by: 97X ()
Date: June 15, 2015 03:21PM

Never heard of a protective order deflecting a fist or a knife or a bullet. It's just a piece of paper.

Just remember, when seconds count....tho cops are only minutes away.

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Re: Can a restraining order protect you as a well as a gun can?
Posted by: Gunlover-tard ()
Date: June 15, 2015 03:35PM

Gun control fails again Wrote:
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> On June 3, 2015 in Berlin Township, NJ,
> Carol Bowne was stabbed to death by her
> convicted felon ex-boyfriend after securing
> a restraining order against him.

Ms. Browne's possession of a firearm would not have guaranteed her safety. People carrying guns die, too.

Better choices with regard to boyfriends could have gone a long way toward ensuring Ms. Browne's safety as well.

Gunlover-tards!

LoLz!

Never run out of spin.

Guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people - quite often by accident.

The most important day in your life is the day some gunlover-tard accidentally kills you

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Re: Can a restraining order protect you as a well as a gun can?
Posted by: atcr ()
Date: June 15, 2015 03:46PM

This is what happens when you ration civil rights. Too bad she didn't live in Virginia.

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Re: Can a restraining order protect you as a well as a gun can?
Posted by: Six shot ()
Date: June 15, 2015 04:48PM

Gunlover-tard Wrote:
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> Gun control fails again Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > On June 3, 2015 in Berlin Township, NJ,
> > Carol Bowne was stabbed to death by her
> > convicted felon ex-boyfriend after securing
> > a restraining order against him.
>
> Ms. Browne's possession of a firearm would not
> have guaranteed her safety. People carrying guns
> die, too.
>
> Better choices with regard to boyfriends could
> have gone a long way toward ensuring Ms. Browne's
> safety as well.
>
> Gunlover-tards!
>
> LoLz!


"Ms. Browne's possession of a firearm would not have guaranteed her safety"

Maybe, but by being denied a gun DID guarantee her death.

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Re: Can a restraining order protect you as a well as a gun can?
Posted by: Illogically Minded ()
Date: June 15, 2015 04:56PM

Six shot Wrote:
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> "Ms. Browne's possession of a firearm would not
> have guaranteed her safety"
>
> Maybe, but by being denied a gun DID guarantee her
> death.

Ummm... No.

Possession of a firearm would not have guaranteed Ms. Browne's safety.

Not possessing a firearm did not result in Ms. Browne's death.

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Re: Can a restraining order protect you as a well as a gun can?
Posted by: Logically Minded ()
Date: June 15, 2015 05:05PM

Illogically Minded Wrote:
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> Six shot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "Ms. Browne's possession of a firearm would not
> > have guaranteed her safety"
> >
> > Maybe, but by being denied a gun DID guarantee
> her
> > death.
>
> Ummm... No.
>
> Possession of a firearm would not have guaranteed
> Ms. Browne's safety.
>
> Not possessing a firearm did not result in Ms.
> Browne's death.


No one said possessing one would have guaranteed her safety.

And yes, it did guarantee her death. She's dead. Read the article. She's dead. Against a man with a knife a woman with a gun stands a much better chance of surviving than a woman without a gun.

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Re: Can a restraining order protect you as a well as a gun can?
Posted by: A gun does no good at all ()
Date: June 15, 2015 05:15PM

Logically Minded Wrote:
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> No one said possessing one would have guaranteed
> her safety.
>
> And yes, it did guarantee her death.
> She's dead.

Well, no. Ms. Browne did not died because she didn't have a gun, she died because her attacker stabbed her to death. Even if she had been armed, she still may have died.

> She's dead. Against a man with a
> knife a woman with a gun stands a much
> better chance of surviving than a woman
> without a gun.

Assuming that she would have had the time to draw here weapon. I certain circumstances, like being attacked from behind by surprise, a gun does no good at all.

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Re: Can a restraining order protect you as a well as a gun can?
Posted by: Huh??? ()
Date: June 15, 2015 08:12PM

That depends...

What kind of gun are we talking about and how sharp is the edge of the piece of paper that the restraining order is written on?

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