They are hampered by the ice in the rescue from an apartment building, may God protect them all as they risk their lives to save others

Links to come

https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/trending/nyc-apartment-fire-injures-54-31-suffer-life-threatening-injuries/3PYN6HIRDVEGDO76VKVFAT3UKM/

Memphis station but national news

A very tragic large fire

Any idea of what party the slumlords vote for

I can put odds out that 1000000 to one it WAS NOT owned by President Donald Trump

Someone was tokeing on the pipe and fell asleep in the bed

Odds are "high" on that too "high" that bets can not be taken

Total disaster of a situation, forget the holidays ! At any time so stop the black humor meaning its a dismal sad situation and jokes help coping with it but come on man

We can blame it On JOE Im ready to go at your signal

Just the Facts
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Joe Biden has done such a bad job as president he's fair game for all kinds of trash talk after what he's said about Trumps supporter's all of them by the millions the other day when only a scant few were the ones who did the stupid dirty deed , hope the people were not so broke by Joes inflation and unemployment with lack of jobs they could not afford to replace batteries in the smoke detector on Jan 1st of the new year. A 9v battery is now about 5 dollars. In New York that's probably the cost of a loaf of plain white bread

That political statement said, lets think of the people and their families in such a tragic fire , be thankful for what we have and hope firefighters save more stay safe and the toll does not raise finally lets see what really was the cause and try to make sure it never happens again for everyone's sake

Racist Trumper bringing up race in a real tragedy not all breads are white

>In New York that's probably the cost of a loaf of plain white bread

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59931896

Lower floors so the FD could reach them must have spread fast with deadly smoke filling the area
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FDNY not to confuse people with NYPD the police dept

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> Any idea of what party the slumlords vote for

or was it hispanics lying about repairs, or was it niggers to dumb to be in a tall building that should have been in a ranch style house?

that's allot of spread for a fire i assume started from a single location

i'm not impressed with the "building skill" something is massively wrong

a building that high should have springlers, not just in the hall, i can see that didn't happen

perhaps the fire department should walk through tall slum buildings and force people to "sell off their highly flammables"

IT MAY BE AN OLD BUILDING. in the way back machine, the woman watched the kids like a hawk and the man in the house controlled the fire (except maybe the oven). he wouldn't go to bed without insuring an iron wasn't left plugged in. there weren't as many protections in the older buildings unfortunately.

SLUM LORD? I IMAGINE PAID BUNDLES TO FIRE SYSTEMS to local companies that installed "digital pads" required by the city and in the end. well.

In any building the STAIRCASE is fire safe - though due to improper understandings of code: may still get smoke filled.

In a modern buildings they skip that and ad positive ventillation and don't draw (potentially smoke air) into the staircase.

Firefighters found the door to the apartment open, he said, which apparently allowed the fire to accelerate and spread smoke upward quickly.

one occupant, interview, expressed he or she did not know how to exit the building in the case of fire

that's a major building that's "big time". smoke coming out of windows all floors

the fire code says the building cannot be occupied unless

1) fire truck ladders can reach all floors OR

2) the sprinkler system is sufficient and regularly tested

or probably both

looks to me the ladder was nicely long but topped after 1.5 brick bands - which is no where near the top

^^^ might be wrong building. bronx has had so many apartment fires RECENTLY that i can't even locate the correct images.

Twin Park apartments
https://fox8.com/news/fdny-battles-flames-at-bronx-apartment-fire-dozens-injured/

FDNY Commissioner Daniel Nigro said in a press conference that firefighters “found victims on every floor and were taking them out in cardiac and respiratory arrest. That is unprecedented in our city. We expect there to be numerous fatalities.”

Grrrrr
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? Twin Parks North West
333 E 181st St, Bronx, NY 10457

Built in 1972
120 units/19 stories
currently "low income" housing. (has internet etc tho)

I would be looking at anyone who contacted a liability lawyer before the fire to see what their cut will be

Looks like the glorious soviet palace I lived at when I was in Moscow under communism , rejoice all liberal leftists and communists all you that are committed to the Book of Marx you too will be living in such splendor in only a few years if Democrats can keep up their squandering and their weakness of denying Chinas military buildup while selling the American people buckets of horse poop called climate change and racial pandering

The existing single family suburban housing uses too much energy and water they will be left to rot as you will be moved into your luxurious new accommodations as we let more millions in illegally

Rejoice !
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I guess I could count in pennies what the rent collected each month would be

>In any building the STAIRCASE is fire safe

If the staircase has properly operating fire exit hardware that works as it is supposed to ,if the door frame is fire rated and ball bearing hinges are used and if door closers close and latch the doors properly and the fire staircase is made of fire-resistant masonry construction

Im sure everything in the stairways were in perfect operating condition inspected and tested weekly by the city

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM_Grand_fire

The MGM Grand fire of 1980 that killed almost 100 people had fire doors that were propped open by people because they locked automatically for security

Smoke came through the doors and killed people plus many other problems with the HVAC and venting systems were present but that was a far larger building , This NY high rise looks simple compared

Anyone want to use the name

"most seen face at fire scenes" or "firebug" who is not a firefighter or cop

I get it but FDNY does not use part time volunteer firemen

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/malfunctioning-electric-space-heater-caused-fire-killed-19-82168450

Malfunctioning electric space heater, could have been in overloaded outlet, or the safety switch that cuts them off when they turn over did not work,

Ahh.... most of them are made in RED CHINA .

rumor is a space heater in bedroom caused fire

(questionable, since cheap homedepot space heaters these days are all fire safe)

Chanasia Hunter, who lives on the 10th floor, agreed that the fire alarms would go off frequently.

another: The staircase (which is a fire escape) was flooded with water and smoke, people being trampled

another "the fire alarms went off regularly - we ignored the alarm" (you are NOT supposed to ignore it). and that happens in many buildings all across USA. responding to false alarms are the #1 thing that keeps fire dept busy.

firefighters, "the front door was left open. it's automatic closing arm was (for some reason - perhaps the fire) disabled. it was a serious violation of fire code. it cause many of the problems occupants experienced". (truth is people don't learn these days - and may have believed the rule applied only preceeding fires. there are all kinds of mis-understanding about why fire rules are the way they are)

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it does leave the question, hardly, if the heat was working. however the building was "communist rule" - repairs (such as elevator - last year) were definitely done. so there is no suspicion there.

Always one should suspect the landlord paid a tenant to lie about a space heater and the heating unit in the basement had failed (or the maintenance man did) or something of that nature.

"'The last time we had a loss of life that may be this horrific was a fire which was over 30 years ago, also here in the Bronx,' he added. "

https://www.the-sun.com/news/4427746/bronx-fire-new-york-apartment-live-east-street/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10384341/People-seen-jumping-windows-Bronx-apartment-building-fire.html

it's a very good question if someone is lying or 1 bedroom+hall should cause the whole building filled with smoke: too many flammables in the residence or perhaps trampling was the cause of the deaths - we will learn in the future.

7 minutes ago


The Sun - usnews

What caused the fire?

A malfunctioning space heater sparked a fire that filled a high-rise Bronx apartment building with thick smoke Sunday morning, killing 19 people including nine children in New York City’s deadliest blaze in three decades.


The flames didn’t spread far — only charring the one unit and an adjacent hallway. But the door to the apartment and a door to a stairwell had been left open, letting smoke quickly spread throughout the building, Nigro said.




(keeping door shut: this is why new buildings require ventillation plans) this building 1972. currently the initiative is a mess (the ways and means to make correct ventillation assured are far from settled or implemented correctly when done)

leaving the door open can almost be dismissed - still have yet to know if it was done intently or was broken. one should expect a door or window left open (note - it spreads fire/smoke faster. probability says it will happen)


YET TO BE RELEASED:

EITHER TRAMPLING CAUSED DEATHS OR SMOKE DID. FIRE WAS RULED OUT.

EITHER ONE BEDROOM HAD ENOUGH SMOKE EMITTING FLAMMABLES TO CHOKE 19 PEOPLE*

OR TRAMPLING HAD BEEN AN UN-EXPECTED ISSUE*

or perhaps lack of vision in stairwell was due to smoke and caused havoc. the staircase shouldn't have smoke in it and it'd get in only if doors near the fire were left open AND if the ventillation was pulling that smoke up the staircase. this gets complicated as to whether superfan should be installed, superman, but we KNOW that staircase doors have "tenders" (they shut behind you), and we know that ventillation in the staircase should (i would guess) have been off during alarms (or a superfan of ourdoor air separate from building, superman)

a question is if the staircase was "always pretty cold not well ventillated" (as it maybe should remain in an old building) or if it was well heated (would allow ventillation to suck in smoke from doors left open)

(79 "injured" by some doubtful reports)

Back before the days of fair housing laws, Section Eight and a flood of third world immigration, apartment complex fires were a rare occurrence. Such fires today are a regular feature of nightly news in urban areas.

All the boxes are now checked.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10386799/Father-rescues-daughter-burning-bed-Bronx-apartment-inferno-broke-out.html

assume the fire exit (staircases) had smoke and trampling resulted

assuming corrections that the staircase does NOT have smoke and there's no trampling

there's still a question if these exit both on the first floor of the staircase has TWO EXITS - one to the outdoors (not through the lobby which would be filled with smoke)

(assume the first floor is filled with smoke due to ventillation running during the fire or some other reason)

(it's nearly impossible to say, and to "demand this", because staircases sometimes land on the wall (where two exists are conventient) and sometimes not, (where a hallway without shared ventilation with lobby would be neeed))

the plans of the building ... you can assume there were not multiple first floor exits at the bottom of the first floor steps

(again - i never said the lobby filled with smoke - that's was hypothetical)

There are a lot of immigrants in that building.

That word of the street is that they are African immigrants , but so what

Whats important is the fire escape route must be in all languages of the earth,and each unit kept at a tropical 75F there otta be a new federal law to require billboards with all of the languages and mim temps

The Bronx is a shithole

Won’t miss them

8 children dead not 9 , over 17 killed still its a horrible tragedy the worst number of fire victims since 911 which was a set of fires caused by jetliners loaded with fuel deliberately impacting into the building's upper floors by middle eastern suicide terrorists until the Twin Towers collapsed from steel structural members failing in the extreme heat

.....the worst number of fire victims since 911 which was a set of fires caused by : ITS All YOURS

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