Then that's a pretty big indictment on just how shitty President Obama was as a Commander in Chief. He was in charge of our intelligence and law enforcement agencies at the time.

Are you telling me that Obama was so impotent that he couldn't prevent the Russians from rigging our election?

If that's true, he's got to go down as one of the biggest failures to hold the office of President. If the outcome of the election was determined by Russia, then he completely failed as President. You can't fail any worse.

You can say 9/11 is really bad, but to allow the entire electoral system to be undermined by a foreign power is complete defeat.

If the left is correct, President Obama presided over one of the greatest defeats in US history and did nothing to prevent it.

Why would the Russians need Trump to collude with them? Trump's not a hacker and doesn't have access to any dnc computers. If anyone colluded with the Russians it would be a dem insider.

Obama wanted to limit its influence. That's why he slapped heavier sanctions on Russia afterwards. The next day Trump ordered Flynn to tell the ambassador not to worry and that they would drop the sanctions.

Then there was controversy over the call and Pence went out and said sanctions were discussed. Then we find out since that is Russia's top spy in the U.S. the call was picked up. Pence lies and said he had no idea. Trump fires Pence and has the audacity to blame the media for it.

Then Flynn wants immunity and says he has a story to tell. He was a foreign agent and had accepted 500k from Turkey and 45k from Russia Today. No one is willing to give him immunity. Then Comey breaks and Flynn comes out again and says Trump knew he was under FBI investigation and had told the president and was appointed National Security Adviser anyway.

Pence who was asked if he knew Flynn was under investigation when vetting Flynn. Pence lies again and says he didn't know that either.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/19/2017 03:45PM by Gerrymanderer2.

Flynn will eventually sing like a bird once hr needs a plea agreement. Just a matter of time.

Cp6gv Wrote:
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> Why would the Russians need Trump to collude with
> them? Trump's not a hacker and doesn't have
> access to any dnc computers. If anyone colluded
> with the Russians it would be a dem insider.


Like a certain dead staffer who died from a "botched robbery"?

James Comey (peace be upon him) said the Roooshskies tried to hack the RNC at the same time they were hacking the DNC. The RNC had firewalls and security in place that stopped it. The DNC, not so much.

The RNC turned over their email servers to the FBI as part of the investigation.

The DNC has refused to turn over their email servers to the FBI.

The democrat party is dead in the water. The Mueller report is going to fuck them up one side and do anal down the other.

LOL
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/comey-republicans-hacked-russia/

If the left is correct Wrote:
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> Then that's a pretty big indictment on just how
> shitty President Obama was as a Commander in
> Chief. He was in charge of our intelligence and
> law enforcement agencies at the time.
>
> Are you telling me that Obama was so impotent that
> he couldn't prevent the Russians from rigging our
> election?
>
> If that's true, he's got to go down as one of the
> biggest failures to hold the office of President.
> If the outcome of the election was determined by
> Russia, then he completely failed as President.
> You can't fail any worse.
>
> You can say 9/11 is really bad, but to allow the
> entire electoral system to be undermined by a
> foreign power is complete defeat.
>
> If the left is correct, President Obama presided
> over one of the greatest defeats in US history and
> did nothing to prevent it.


You mean like Romney tried to warn us back in 2012 and DEMs completely mocked? LoLz.
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Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Obama wanted to limit its influence. That's why he
> slapped heavier sanctions on Russia afterwards.
> The next day Trump ordered Flynn to tell the
> ambassador not to worry and that they would drop
> the sanctions.
>
> Then there was controversy over the call and Pence
> went out and said sanctions were discussed. Then
> we find out since that is Russia's top spy in the
> U.S. the call was picked up. Pence lies and said
> he had no idea. Trump fires Pence and has the
> audacity to blame the media for it.
>
> Then Flynn wants immunity and says he has a story
> to tell. He was a foreign agent and had accepted
> 500k from Turkey and 45k from Russia Today. No one
> is willing to give him immunity. Then Comey breaks
> and Flynn comes out again and says Trump knew he
> was under FBI investigation and had told the
> president and was appointed National Security
> Adviser anyway.
>
> Pence who was asked if he knew Flynn was under
> investigation when vetting Flynn. Pence lies again
> and says he didn't know that either.


Two things:

Trump hasn't 'fired' Pence. Trump can't 'fire' Pence. Pence can be impeached or he can resign. He does NOT serve at the pleasure of the President. if you were a true American, you would know that.

You edited your shitty post and still left that in there. You are a fucking retard.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Flynn will eventually sing like a bird once hr
> needs a plea agreement. Just a matter of time.


Okay what's he going to sing about? Trump won, Hillary lost. If you saw the crowds of Trump supporters vs the pathetic Clintons it was obvious. Only the idiots who listened to media liars were surprised.

If the left is correct Wrote:
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> Then that's a pretty big indictment on just how
> shitty President Obama was as a Commander in
> Chief. He was in charge of our intelligence and
> law enforcement agencies at the time.
>
> Are you telling me that Obama was so impotent that
> he couldn't prevent the Russians from rigging our
> election?
>
> If that's true, he's got to go down as one of the
> biggest failures to hold the office of President.
> If the outcome of the election was determined by
> Russia, then he completely failed as President.
> You can't fail any worse.
>
> You can say 9/11 is really bad, but to allow the
> entire electoral system to be undermined by a
> foreign power is complete defeat.
>
> If the left is correct, President Obama presided
> over one of the greatest defeats in US history and
> did nothing to prevent it.


Wow, that really is a mish-mash of goofy ideas. Let's analyze: nobody thinks Russia HACKED the election, which is what would have been Obama's responsibility to stop. What is alleged is that Russia INFLUENCED the election. That in and of itself is not illegal. Israel influenced the election, for example. What is a problem is if Russia COLLUDED with the Trump campaign to influence the election. That's not Obama's fault if it happens. It's Trump's, and it's treasonous.

Clear now?

,
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Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Obama wanted to limit its influence. That's why he
> slapped heavier sanctions on Russia afterwards.
> The next day Trump ordered Flynn to tell the
> ambassador not to worry and that they would drop
> the sanctions.
>
> Then there was controversy over the call and Pence
> went out and said sanctions were discussed. Then
> we find out since that is Russia's top spy in the
> U.S. the call was picked up. Pence lies and said
> he had no idea. Trump fires Pence and has the
> audacity to blame the media for it.
>
> Then Flynn wants immunity and says he has a story
> to tell. He was a foreign agent and had accepted
> 500k from Turkey and 45k from Russia Today. No one
> is willing to give him immunity. Then Comey breaks
> and Flynn comes out again and says Trump knew he
> was under FBI investigation and had told the
> president and was appointed National Security
> Adviser anyway.
>
> Pence who was asked if he knew Flynn was under
> investigation when vetting Flynn. Pence lies again
> and says he didn't know that either.


Trump fired Pence? What the fuck are you talking about, shit stain?

Get it together bitch.

Plus, you're talking about shit that happened AFTER the election. Why didn't Obama do anything BEFORE the election? If there was collusion and tampering in our election, Obama was too impotent to prevent it.

If you are correct and there was collusion, it happened right under his nose and he could not prevent it. That would rank right up there among some of the worst failures of a President.

He's either one of the biggest failures as a President or there was no collusion.

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The prophet James Comey Wrote:
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> James Comey (peace be upon him) said the
> Roooshskies tried to hack the RNC at the same time
> they were hacking the DNC. The RNC had firewalls
> and security in place that stopped it. The DNC,
> not so much.
>
> The RNC turned over their email servers to the FBI
> as part of the investigation.
>
> The DNC has refused to turn over their email
> servers to the FBI.
>
> The democrat party is dead in the water. The
> Mueller report is going to fuck them up one side
> and do anal down the other.
>
> LOL
> http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/comey-repub
> licans-hacked-russia/

That's a lie, old RNC domains were hacked but none of that information was released.

TENXU Wrote:
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> If the left is correct Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Then that's a pretty big indictment on just how
> > shitty President Obama was as a Commander in
> > Chief. He was in charge of our intelligence
> and
> > law enforcement agencies at the time.
> >
> > Are you telling me that Obama was so impotent
> that
> > he couldn't prevent the Russians from rigging
> our
> > election?
> >
> > If that's true, he's got to go down as one of
> the
> > biggest failures to hold the office of
> President.
> > If the outcome of the election was determined
> by
> > Russia, then he completely failed as President.
>
> > You can't fail any worse.
> >
> > You can say 9/11 is really bad, but to allow
> the
> > entire electoral system to be undermined by a
> > foreign power is complete defeat.
> >
> > If the left is correct, President Obama
> presided
> > over one of the greatest defeats in US history
> and
> > did nothing to prevent it.
>
>
> Wow, that really is a mish-mash of goofy ideas.
> Let's analyze: nobody thinks Russia HACKED the
> election, which is what would have been Obama's
> responsibility to stop. What is alleged is that
> Russia INFLUENCED the election. That in and of
> itself is not illegal. Israel influenced the
> election, for example. What is a problem is if
> Russia COLLUDED with the Trump campaign to
> influence the election. That's not Obama's fault
> if it happens. It's Trump's, and it's
> treasonous.
>
> Clear now?


You mean like all the foreign money Hillary took for the Clinton Foundation?

TENXU Wrote:
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> If the left is correct Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Then that's a pretty big indictment on just how
> > shitty President Obama was as a Commander in
> > Chief. He was in charge of our intelligence
> and
> > law enforcement agencies at the time.
> >
> > Are you telling me that Obama was so impotent
> that
> > he couldn't prevent the Russians from rigging
> our
> > election?
> >
> > If that's true, he's got to go down as one of
> the
> > biggest failures to hold the office of
> President.
> > If the outcome of the election was determined
> by
> > Russia, then he completely failed as President.
>
> > You can't fail any worse.
> >
> > You can say 9/11 is really bad, but to allow
> the
> > entire electoral system to be undermined by a
> > foreign power is complete defeat.
> >
> > If the left is correct, President Obama
> presided
> > over one of the greatest defeats in US history
> and
> > did nothing to prevent it.
>
>
> Wow, that really is a mish-mash of goofy ideas.
> Let's analyze: nobody thinks Russia HACKED the
> election, which is what would have been Obama's
> responsibility to stop.

Actually, there are people that do claim it was HACKED. But, in any event, where did I mention the word hacked? Hint: I didn't.

> What is alleged is that
> Russia INFLUENCED the election.

Did you happen to read the Subject of this thread?

> That in and of
> itself is not illegal. Israel influenced the
> election, for example. What is a problem is if
> Russia COLLUDED with the Trump campaign to
> influence the election. That's not Obama's fault
> if it happens. It's Trump's, and it's
> treasonous.

Obama allowed this to happen right under his nose as Commander in Chief. He had the power of the government in his hands including all law enforcement and intelligence assets and methods. What did Obama do to prevent this from happening?

> Clear now?

Been clear all along. Can't say the same for you though.

Gerry's less retarded brother Wrote:
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> Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Obama wanted to limit its influence. That's why
> he
> > slapped heavier sanctions on Russia afterwards.
> > The next day Trump ordered Flynn to tell the
> > ambassador not to worry and that they would
> drop
> > the sanctions.
> >
> > Then there was controversy over the call and
> Pence
> > went out and said sanctions were discussed.
> Then
> > we find out since that is Russia's top spy in
> the
> > U.S. the call was picked up. Pence lies and
> said
> > he had no idea. Trump fires Pence and has the
> > audacity to blame the media for it.
> >
> > Then Flynn wants immunity and says he has a
> story
> > to tell. He was a foreign agent and had
> accepted
> > 500k from Turkey and 45k from Russia Today. No
> one
> > is willing to give him immunity. Then Comey
> breaks
> > and Flynn comes out again and says Trump knew
> he
> > was under FBI investigation and had told the
> > president and was appointed National Security
> > Adviser anyway.
> >
> > Pence who was asked if he knew Flynn was under
> > investigation when vetting Flynn. Pence lies
> again
> > and says he didn't know that either.
>
>
> Two things:
>
> Trump hasn't 'fired' Pence. Trump can't 'fire'
> Pence. Pence can be impeached or he can resign.
> He does NOT serve at the pleasure of the
> President. if you were a true American, you would
> know that.
>
> You edited your shitty post and still left that in
> there. You are a fucking retard.

Meant Trump fires Flynn, but of course you knew that. Your two things are shit.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> The prophet James Comey Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > James Comey (peace be upon him) said the
> > Roooshskies tried to hack the RNC at the same
> time
> > they were hacking the DNC. The RNC had
> firewalls
> > and security in place that stopped it. The
> DNC,
> > not so much.
> >
> > The RNC turned over their email servers to the
> FBI
> > as part of the investigation.
> >
> > The DNC has refused to turn over their email
> > servers to the FBI.
> >
> > The democrat party is dead in the water. The
> > Mueller report is going to fuck them up one
> side
> > and do anal down the other.
> >
> > LOL
> >
> http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/comey-repub
>
> > licans-hacked-russia/
>
> That's a lie, old RNC domains were hacked but none
> of that information was released.


It's CNN Gerry. CNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are never wrong. Get your talking points down boy.

If the left is correct Wrote:
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> TENXU Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If the left is correct Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Obama allowed this to happen right under his nose
> as Commander in Chief. He had the power of the
> government in his hands including all law
> enforcement and intelligence assets and methods.
> What did Obama do to prevent this from happening?
>
>
I agree. I think the Republicans should take the position that it's Obama's fault because he didn't get Trump arrested for treason during the campaign. Brilliant strategy. Make sure you let the GOP know.

VHMMC Wrote:
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> If the left is correct Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TENXU Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > If the left is correct Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> >
> > Obama allowed this to happen right under his
> nose
> > as Commander in Chief. He had the power of the
> > government in his hands including all law
> > enforcement and intelligence assets and methods.
>
> > What did Obama do to prevent this from
> happening?
> >
> >
> I agree. I think the Republicans should take the
> position that it's Obama's fault because he didn't
> get Trump arrested for treason during the
> campaign. Brilliant strategy. Make sure you let
> the GOP know.


It's not a strategy, it's just a factual statement.

>
>
> It's CNN Gerry. CNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They
> are never wrong. Get your talking points down
> boy.


Read your own link dumb ass. It says old domains of the RNC were in fact hacked but their information was never released by the Russians.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> >
> >
> > It's CNN Gerry. CNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> They
> > are never wrong. Get your talking points down
> > boy.
>
>
> Read your own link dumb ass. It says old domains
> of the RNC were in fact hacked but their
> information was never released by the Russians.

Just wondering. Why won't the DNC hand over their servers? What are they hiding?

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> >
> >
> > It's CNN Gerry. CNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> They
> > are never wrong. Get your talking points down
> > boy.
>
>
> Read your own link dumb ass. It says old domains
> of the RNC were in fact hacked but their
> information was never released by the Russians.


Nothing of interest. The dnc had all the juicy stuff.

So, Mueller's indictment issued on Friday is confirmation that the Obama administration failed to prevent the Russians from interfering in our election.

The indictments make clear that Obama allowed this shit to go on right under his nose.

He's a complete fucking failure.

TENXU Wrote:
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> What is alleged is that
> Russia INFLUENCED the election. That in and of
> itself is not illegal.

The Mueller indictment indicates that's not the case.

Have to agree Obama dropped the ball. In a way it was a great play by Putin - no way to lose. Obama calls him out the election looks rigged against Trump. By doing nothing Obama allowed Trump to win. Trump is a criminal and a fool - Putin hit the jackpot.

Lets agree on this, America deserves to be pranked by Putin and we deserve Trump. We earned this. Just roll with it, our kids will be paying for it and we will die in a polluted backwards country thanks to Trump, Putin and Obama. Also Hillary was a terrible candidate and the DNC is only slightly better than GOP.

Russians cannot VOTE in USA elections nor stay past a vacation visa - assuming they aren't citizens (yet)

Russians are not banned for expression opinion in the USA (though broadcasting is _regulated_ and may be denied) or being hired to do work (within the laws).

Russians are not banned from visiting USA for tourism.

Non-citizens cannot run for ANY office, and for (some) offices it's required to be a natural born USA supporting citizen.

Russians are not banned to be hired for business reasons (though, that means USA jobs exported).

influence means MONEY

russia had not money purpose to help Trump

rather it may have owed (illegal in usa) payback for Hillary u32 trade favors and whatever bad things obama did (but obama hates whites and likely gave russia a kick in the pants)