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Is a car dealer required to provide you with a minimum of 2 keys to a used car?
Posted by:
Pissed!
()
Date: December 22, 2016 03:03PM
I just bought a used Toyota 4Runner (2014) and the dealer only have one key. They say the previous owner only provided one key. A new key is over $200!!!!! (remember when they were like $20?)
Should a buyer of a fairly expensive vehicle get 2 keys or shouldn't the dealer pay for a duplicate? Is there any law? I smell a scam.
Should a buyer of a fairly expensive vehicle get 2 keys or shouldn't the dealer pay for a duplicate? Is there any law? I smell a scam.
Re: Is a car dealer required to provide you with a minimum of 2 keys to a used car?
Posted by:
Gwenyn
()
Date: December 22, 2016 03:29PM
Yes, it is against the law. You should report them to the police and make them give you another key.
Re: Is a car dealer required to provide you with a minimum of 2 keys to a used car?
Posted by:
oooka
()
Date: December 22, 2016 03:36PM
Report the abuse to votestrike
Re: Is a car dealer required to provide you with a minimum of 2 keys to a used car?
Posted by:
Thanks Obama....
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Date: December 22, 2016 03:37PM
Trump will fix this
Re: Is a car dealer required to provide you with a minimum of 2 keys to a used car?
Posted by:
Hans Huckibein
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Date: December 22, 2016 03:41PM
Thanks Obama.... Wrote:
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Re: Is a car dealer required to provide you with a minimum of 2 keys to a used car?
Posted by:
Zika Carrier
()
Date: December 22, 2016 04:13PM
Pissed! Wrote:
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> I just bought a used Toyota 4Runner (2014) and the
> dealer only have one key. They say the previous
> owner only provided one key. A new key is over
> $200!!!!! (remember when they were like $20?)
>
> Should a buyer of a fairly expensive vehicle get 2
> keys or shouldn't the dealer pay for a duplicate?
> Is there any law? I smell a scam.
I believe you also have 72 hours in VA to take the car back and undo the deal. If it's that important, take it back and lay it down.
The former owner may just come get it one night, since he still has a key.
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> I just bought a used Toyota 4Runner (2014) and the
> dealer only have one key. They say the previous
> owner only provided one key. A new key is over
> $200!!!!! (remember when they were like $20?)
>
> Should a buyer of a fairly expensive vehicle get 2
> keys or shouldn't the dealer pay for a duplicate?
> Is there any law? I smell a scam.
I believe you also have 72 hours in VA to take the car back and undo the deal. If it's that important, take it back and lay it down.
The former owner may just come get it one night, since he still has a key.
Re: Is a car dealer required to provide you with a minimum of 2 keys to a used car?
Posted by:
Still Pissed
()
Date: December 22, 2016 04:16PM
Zika Carrier Wrote:
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> Pissed! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I just bought a used Toyota 4Runner (2014) and
> the
> > dealer only have one key. They say the previous
> > owner only provided one key. A new key is over
> > $200!!!!! (remember when they were like $20?)
> >
> > Should a buyer of a fairly expensive vehicle get
> 2
> > keys or shouldn't the dealer pay for a
> duplicate?
> > Is there any law? I smell a scam.
>
>
> I believe you also have 72 hours in VA to take the
> car back and undo the deal. If it's that
> important, take it back and lay it down.
>
>
Im not doing that, I got a great deal on a almost new car with only 22,000 miles. But I'm pretty sure the dealer would love to collect $200 from me for a key to be made.
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> Pissed! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I just bought a used Toyota 4Runner (2014) and
> the
> > dealer only have one key. They say the previous
> > owner only provided one key. A new key is over
> > $200!!!!! (remember when they were like $20?)
> >
> > Should a buyer of a fairly expensive vehicle get
> 2
> > keys or shouldn't the dealer pay for a
> duplicate?
> > Is there any law? I smell a scam.
>
>
> I believe you also have 72 hours in VA to take the
> car back and undo the deal. If it's that
> important, take it back and lay it down.
>
>
Im not doing that, I got a great deal on a almost new car with only 22,000 miles. But I'm pretty sure the dealer would love to collect $200 from me for a key to be made.
Re: Is a car dealer required to provide you with a minimum of 2 keys to a used car?
Posted by:
E6HJn
()
Date: December 22, 2016 04:19PM
well, don't get another key made at Lowe's and disabled the key fob checker - that would be stupid
Re: Is a car dealer required to provide you with a minimum of 2 keys to a used car?
Posted by:
D36wn
()
Date: December 22, 2016 04:27PM
Still Pissed Wrote:
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> Zika Carrier Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Pissed! Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I just bought a used Toyota 4Runner (2014)
> and
> > the
> > > dealer only have one key. They say the
> previous
> > > owner only provided one key. A new key is
> over
> > > $200!!!!! (remember when they were like $20?)
>
> > >
> > > Should a buyer of a fairly expensive vehicle
> get
> > 2
> > > keys or shouldn't the dealer pay for a
> > duplicate?
> > > Is there any law? I smell a scam.
> >
> >
> > I believe you also have 72 hours in VA to take
> the
> > car back and undo the deal. If it's that
> > important, take it back and lay it down.
> >
> >
>
> Im not doing that, I got a great deal on a almost
> new car with only 22,000 miles. But I'm pretty
> sure the dealer would love to collect $200 from me
> for a key to be made.
Should have negotiated having another key programmed. No real sweat off their asses to do that so they probably would have. They just hook up to the car and generate the code. If you have two, then with most cars you can program others yourself. Without, you're fucked and have to either pay for another real key at a stupid cost or have a clone made for $50-$75. The latter will work fine as a key but won't let you program any more.
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> Zika Carrier Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Pissed! Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I just bought a used Toyota 4Runner (2014)
> and
> > the
> > > dealer only have one key. They say the
> previous
> > > owner only provided one key. A new key is
> over
> > > $200!!!!! (remember when they were like $20?)
>
> > >
> > > Should a buyer of a fairly expensive vehicle
> get
> > 2
> > > keys or shouldn't the dealer pay for a
> > duplicate?
> > > Is there any law? I smell a scam.
> >
> >
> > I believe you also have 72 hours in VA to take
> the
> > car back and undo the deal. If it's that
> > important, take it back and lay it down.
> >
> >
>
> Im not doing that, I got a great deal on a almost
> new car with only 22,000 miles. But I'm pretty
> sure the dealer would love to collect $200 from me
> for a key to be made.
Should have negotiated having another key programmed. No real sweat off their asses to do that so they probably would have. They just hook up to the car and generate the code. If you have two, then with most cars you can program others yourself. Without, you're fucked and have to either pay for another real key at a stupid cost or have a clone made for $50-$75. The latter will work fine as a key but won't let you program any more.
Re: Is a car dealer required to provide you with a minimum of 2 keys to a used car?
Posted by:
Not as Pissed Now
()
Date: December 22, 2016 08:02PM
D36wn Wrote:
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>
>
>
> Should have negotiated having another key
> programmed. No real sweat off their asses to do
> that so they probably would have. They just hook
> up to the car and generate the code. If you have
> two, then with most cars you can program others
> yourself. Without, you're fucked and have to
> either pay for another real key at a stupid cost
> or have a clone made for $50-$75. The latter will
> work fine as a key but won't let you program any
> more.
That was my bad. I didn't even inquire about a second key until after we were done with the deal. I just ASSumed they had 2 keys. I've bought many cars and always got 2 keys, sometimes 3. They honestly didn't know there was no second key either.
I just want something that will open the door and start the car in the event the fob gets lost, so the clone sounds like a good idea.
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>
>
>
> Should have negotiated having another key
> programmed. No real sweat off their asses to do
> that so they probably would have. They just hook
> up to the car and generate the code. If you have
> two, then with most cars you can program others
> yourself. Without, you're fucked and have to
> either pay for another real key at a stupid cost
> or have a clone made for $50-$75. The latter will
> work fine as a key but won't let you program any
> more.
That was my bad. I didn't even inquire about a second key until after we were done with the deal. I just ASSumed they had 2 keys. I've bought many cars and always got 2 keys, sometimes 3. They honestly didn't know there was no second key either.
I just want something that will open the door and start the car in the event the fob gets lost, so the clone sounds like a good idea.
Re: Is a car dealer required to provide you with a minimum of 2 keys to a used car?
Posted by:
Happy Now
()
Date: December 22, 2016 08:29PM
Damn the Toyota dealer must have gotten worried I was going to slime them.........the salesman just emailed me and told me to come in tomorrow and they will make me a second programmed key FOR FREE!
Right is Right!
Right is Right!
Re: Is a car dealer required to provide you with a minimum of 2 keys to a used car?
Posted by:
Don't Be A Retard
()
Date: December 23, 2016 01:27AM
Well that's good. I was about to say don't be a retard, a lot of locksmiths do this sort of work for less than $200 including the fob and codes and whatnot.
Re: Is a car dealer required to provide you with a minimum of 2 keys to a used car?
Posted by:
j3XDL
()
Date: December 23, 2016 02:30AM
Don't Be A Retard Wrote:
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> Well that's good. I was about to say don't be a
> retard, a lot of locksmiths do this sort of work
> for less than $200 including the fob and codes and
> whatnot.
Locksmiths usually only make the clone keys. They put it into a machine and it reads and decodes the key that you have and simply replicates it. Obviously needs to be cut the same but anyone can do that. That's all pretty easy.
To create a 'real' new key in most all cases you'll need whatever manufacturer's diagnostic system and it's a little more involved requiring generating encryption keys, special access codes, 30 minute time delays, etc., so somebody can't just roll up and make a key. You're generating a completely new key/codes in that case and manufacturers don't want just anybody to be able to so otherwise their PATS or whatever security system becomes kind of useless. What's needed differs by manufacturer, model, years, etc., so an independent locksmith would need a lot of expensive gear to be able to do it across lots of different cars.
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> Well that's good. I was about to say don't be a
> retard, a lot of locksmiths do this sort of work
> for less than $200 including the fob and codes and
> whatnot.
Locksmiths usually only make the clone keys. They put it into a machine and it reads and decodes the key that you have and simply replicates it. Obviously needs to be cut the same but anyone can do that. That's all pretty easy.
To create a 'real' new key in most all cases you'll need whatever manufacturer's diagnostic system and it's a little more involved requiring generating encryption keys, special access codes, 30 minute time delays, etc., so somebody can't just roll up and make a key. You're generating a completely new key/codes in that case and manufacturers don't want just anybody to be able to so otherwise their PATS or whatever security system becomes kind of useless. What's needed differs by manufacturer, model, years, etc., so an independent locksmith would need a lot of expensive gear to be able to do it across lots of different cars.
Re: Is a car dealer required to provide you with a minimum of 2 keys to a used car?
Posted by:
kyle4
()
Date: December 23, 2016 09:18AM
Don't Be A Retard Wrote:
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> Well that's good. I was about to say don't be a
> retard, a lot of locksmiths do this sort of work
> for less than $200 including the fob and codes and
> whatnot.
Damn, any walmart with a automotive department can make a new chip key for 50 or 60 bucks.
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> Well that's good. I was about to say don't be a
> retard, a lot of locksmiths do this sort of work
> for less than $200 including the fob and codes and
> whatnot.
Damn, any walmart with a automotive department can make a new chip key for 50 or 60 bucks.
Re: Is a car dealer required to provide you with a minimum of 2 keys to a used car?
Posted by:
Not me brother
()
Date: December 23, 2016 12:23PM
kyle4 Wrote:
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> Don't Be A Retard Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well that's good. I was about to say don't be
> a
> > retard, a lot of locksmiths do this sort of
> work
> > for less than $200 including the fob and codes
> and
> > whatnot.
>
>
> Damn, any walmart with a automotive department can
> make a new chip key for 50 or 60 bucks.
Haha....you would trust the retards that work at Walmart to make you a key? I doubt most of the employees in Walmarts can make a sandwich!
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> Don't Be A Retard Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well that's good. I was about to say don't be
> a
> > retard, a lot of locksmiths do this sort of
> work
> > for less than $200 including the fob and codes
> and
> > whatnot.
>
>
> Damn, any walmart with a automotive department can
> make a new chip key for 50 or 60 bucks.
Haha....you would trust the retards that work at Walmart to make you a key? I doubt most of the employees in Walmarts can make a sandwich!
Re: Is a car dealer required to provide you with a minimum of 2 keys to a used car?
Posted by:
toe jamb driver
()
Date: December 23, 2016 12:52PM
kyle4 Wrote:
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> Don't Be A Retard Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well that's good. I was about to say don't be
> a
> > retard, a lot of locksmiths do this sort of
> work
> > for less than $200 including the fob and codes
> and
> > whatnot.
>
>
> Damn, any walmart with a automotive department can
> make a new chip key for 50 or 60 bucks.
The key is 11 dollars from Amazon, A locksmith will cut it for you for 5 to 10 bucks if you bring it to his shop. The programing is simple as long as you have an existing working key,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kupt6mV_YCU
You can easily do the whole thing for less than 20 bucks so you might as well do two of them while you are at it.
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> Don't Be A Retard Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well that's good. I was about to say don't be
> a
> > retard, a lot of locksmiths do this sort of
> work
> > for less than $200 including the fob and codes
> and
> > whatnot.
>
>
> Damn, any walmart with a automotive department can
> make a new chip key for 50 or 60 bucks.
The key is 11 dollars from Amazon, A locksmith will cut it for you for 5 to 10 bucks if you bring it to his shop. The programing is simple as long as you have an existing working key,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kupt6mV_YCU
You can easily do the whole thing for less than 20 bucks so you might as well do two of them while you are at it.
Re: Is a car dealer required to provide you with a minimum of 2 keys to a used car?
Posted by:
dTGWy
()
Date: December 23, 2016 01:10PM
toe jamb driver Wrote:
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> kyle4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Don't Be A Retard Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Well that's good. I was about to say don't
> be
> > a
> > > retard, a lot of locksmiths do this sort of
> > work
> > > for less than $200 including the fob and
> codes
> > and
> > > whatnot.
> >
> >
> > Damn, any walmart with a automotive department
> can
> > make a new chip key for 50 or 60 bucks.
>
> The key is 11 dollars from Amazon, A locksmith
> will cut it for you for 5 to 10 bucks if you bring
> it to his shop. The programing is simple as long
> as you have an existing working key,
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kupt6mV_YCU
> You can easily do the whole thing for less than 20
> bucks so you might as well do two of them while
> you are at it.
That only creates a clone key. If that's all that you want, then you're good.
Also only works with certain keys which have a chip which can be written to vs those that are read-only where the programming is done in-car (i.e., the computer module generates and stores the code based on a passive key). Walmart, Home Depot, most locksmiths, etc., can only clone not create real new keys.
The clone keys are an exact copy of the single key that you have and will work fine for openning doors and starting. But you cannot use them as a second key to create more keys yourself since it's seen as the same key and the programming steps require seeing two different keys. Won't, for example, be able to create valet keys, store different seat, mirror and other settings for different drivers, etc.
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> kyle4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Don't Be A Retard Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Well that's good. I was about to say don't
> be
> > a
> > > retard, a lot of locksmiths do this sort of
> > work
> > > for less than $200 including the fob and
> codes
> > and
> > > whatnot.
> >
> >
> > Damn, any walmart with a automotive department
> can
> > make a new chip key for 50 or 60 bucks.
>
> The key is 11 dollars from Amazon, A locksmith
> will cut it for you for 5 to 10 bucks if you bring
> it to his shop. The programing is simple as long
> as you have an existing working key,
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kupt6mV_YCU
> You can easily do the whole thing for less than 20
> bucks so you might as well do two of them while
> you are at it.
That only creates a clone key. If that's all that you want, then you're good.
Also only works with certain keys which have a chip which can be written to vs those that are read-only where the programming is done in-car (i.e., the computer module generates and stores the code based on a passive key). Walmart, Home Depot, most locksmiths, etc., can only clone not create real new keys.
The clone keys are an exact copy of the single key that you have and will work fine for openning doors and starting. But you cannot use them as a second key to create more keys yourself since it's seen as the same key and the programming steps require seeing two different keys. Won't, for example, be able to create valet keys, store different seat, mirror and other settings for different drivers, etc.