It won't shock you to hear that Tesla low-balled demand for the Model 3, but by how much? Er... quite a bit, actually. Elon Musk has revealed that his company expected "1/4 to 1/2" of the pre-orders it got (252,000 worldwide as of this writing) for its first semi-affordable electric car. While he'd expected lineups at Tesla stores, he figured that there would be "maybe 20-30 people" in queue at a given shop -- not the hundreds that showed up at some places. As a token of appreciation, Tesla plans to give those in-person customers an extra reward on top of what every pre-order customer will get.

Just one minor battery advancement away from making internal combustion obsolete now. The Model 3 for the price is a beast as it is.

Another thing Foxtards, Republitards, Trumptards, rightards, neo-contards and Kochtards were all wrongtards on.

They Kocks and a couple fellow energy billionaires are planning on spending billions to combat the electrical car. They are fucked.

Another thing Republicans are traitors on.

Minor? Batteries need an order of magnitude improvement in power density. I don't believe we can achieve that with current battery technologies. New materials or chemistries aren't going to cut it.

This car has a range of a minimum of 212 miles. It's a perfect daily commuter. There's already a quarter million orders and it won't be making it off the assembly line in a year.

0-60 in under 6 seconds of pure torque acceleration. A completely glass roof. High tech and high luxury. The Model 3 is a fucking beast for the money.

You can't buy a car this amazing and different and breathtaking and high tech and enjoyable for 35000 dollars.

Within 5-10 years these cars will achieve a range of over 400 miles. Mark my words.

Another thing about these cars. No maintenance. There no parts. Simple. Not even a fuckin oil change. Will last as long as the batteries do.



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Internal combustion engines are like cigarettes. Theres literally a thousand reasons to quit them. And you don't realize it until you have experienced the alternative.

After federal and state (non conservi-tard states) it's closer to 25,000

Gerry, are you a shareholder? Hang tough Gerry.

,
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> Gerry, are you a shareholder? Hang tough Gerry.

TSLA was $25 a share 5 years ago and is over $240 today.

Con-tardz put all their money in HAL and KMI because Palin told them to

lol, Con-tardz bought gold.

All Contards do is deal in gold and communicate via radio. They like to keep it simple.

lulz con-tardz Wrote:
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> Jeff Keith Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Gerry, are you a shareholder? Hang tough Gerry.
>
> TSLA was $25 a share 5 years ago and is over $240
> today.
>
> Con-tardz put all their money in HAL and KMI
> because Palin told them to


Yeah, with a ridiculous PE of like 200 vs Ford and GM at 5 - 7. lol

Profitability

EPS (ttm) -6.93
Gross Margin 22.82
Operating Margin -19.16
Pretax Margin -23.09
Net Margin -21.96
Return on Assets -12.75
Return on Equity -88.84
Return on Total Capital -24.15
Return on Invested Capital -29.17
Income Per Employee -68,055.00

That's WITH all of the tax subsidies that they get.

You dumbshits. Nobody has anything against Tesla. Who do you think buys the fucking things? It's not Occutards and Sanders supporters.

The only issue that people have is taking middle-class tax money to subsidize Musk and a bunch of rich .1%ers buying expensive sports cars. You know who owns most of Tesla right? Evil Wall Street "banksters!"

lmao

Gerry doesnt know shit about economics, nor does he have an investment portfolio. He just watches the news media and repeats back what he hears there like a parrot.

Hey idiot, they just revealed a 35000 dollar model moron. Musk has been and is going to continue to put a whoopin on you stupid fucking rightard naysayer on the wrong side of history loser motherfuckers no one gives shit about driven from power Trumptard cocksuckin asshole rat bastard sons of bitches.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Hey idiot, they just revealed a 35000 dollar model
> moron. Musk has been and is going to continue to
> put a whoopin on you stupid fucking rightard
> naysayer on the wrong side of history loser
> motherfuckers no one gives shit about driven from
> power Trumptard cocksuckin asshole rat bastard
> sons of bitches.
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Where are you going to get the electricity from to charge this toy?. Oh, wait, that's right, just plug it in. LOL

I know where we can get the fuckin electricity. Gasoline! Or Coal, or nat gas or nuclear or wind or solar motherfucker, the point is now we dont need to get it exclusively from oil.

Anyways we're gonna build and modernize the grid, create renewable resources and put big oil out of business. You oldtard idiotard trumptards try stay out of our way and dont forget to thank us for cheap oil and less trade deficits you ungratful bastards.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> This car has a range of a minimum of 212 miles.
> It's a perfect daily commuter. There's already a
> quarter million orders and it won't be making it
> off the assembly line in a year.


Most people won't buy a $35000 car just for daily commuting. What if you want to go 300 miles? If the car had a 500 mile range you could argue that it would work for most drivers. Drive until you are tired, charge overnight at the hotel, and continue the next day. That's only a doubling but that is still going to be difficult to achieve.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> I know where we can get the fuckin electricity.
> Gasoline! Or Coal, or nat gas or nuclear or wind
> or solar motherfucker, the point is now we dont
> need to get it exclusively from oil.
>
> Anyways we're gonna build and modernize the grid,
> create renewable resources and put big oil out of
> business. You oldtard idiotard trumptards try stay
> out of our way and dont forget to thank us for
> cheap oil and less trade deficits you ungratful
> bastards.

When we you liberal fuckers let of dig for rare earth metals in our own country to make our own batteries instead of bowing to the Chinese cartels? We are just changing allegiance by replacing oil with a battery infrastrucutre.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Hey idiot, they just revealed a 35000 dollar model
> moron. Musk has been and is going to continue to
> put a whoopin on you stupid fucking rightard
> naysayer on the wrong side of history loser
> motherfuckers no one gives shit about driven from
> power Trumptard cocksuckin asshole rat bastard
> sons of bitches.


Lol! I can go 600 miles on a tank in my VW Passat and paid $10k less for it.

Lol@libs sucking up to a capitalist raping US consumers of their tax credits!

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> I know where we can get the fuckin electricity.
> Gasoline! Or Coal, or nat gas or nuclear or wind
> or solar motherfucker, the point is now we dont
> need to get it exclusively from oil.
>
> Anyways we're gonna build and modernize the grid,
> create renewable resources and put big oil out of
> business. You oldtard idiotard trumptards try stay
> out of our way and dont forget to thank us for
> cheap oil and less trade deficits you ungratful
> bastards.


I don't think I've ever said anything unkind to you, but if that's how you want it to go, then OK. You are one of the dumbest assswipes I've ever encountered on the net. Your near zero capacity to comprehend an issue or simply breathtaking. In your twisted victim addled mind you somehow find pleasure in demonstrating time and again an inability to think past the depth of a bumper sticker.

Your response is basically "What do you mean how do we get electricity? We just plug it into the wall". Had you put even a dim ember of thought into this issue, you would understand that your beloved leader has promised to shut down electricity production from oil and coal. That wind and solar, though perhaps somewhat a small possibility of viability in the future, is many years away and perhaps never possible. That's if your cousins, the extremists environmentalists allow wind to continue.

Had you had any education beyond a high school diploma (if even that) you would understand that oil and gas generation pollutes just as much as burning it in a combustion engine. You would also know that should a company get approval from a left-wing led government today, which it won't, it still going to be at least 10 years to bring it online. Of course, that's assuming your ideological cousins don't protest and do whatever they can to stop it.

So, moron, I'll ask again, where are you going to get the electricity from?

Oh, I forgot, I think the new Tesla is cool and I might buy one. So fuck you, you know nothing about me.

Natural gas, Nuclear, Solar/Wind and hydroelectric. We will slowly wean off dirty coal for the next couple decades.

Wean off to what? Are you going to base the future on "We will figure something out"? That's not a real viable plan.

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> lulz con-tardz Wrote:
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> > Jeff Keith Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Gerry, are you a shareholder? Hang tough
> Gerry.
> >
> > TSLA was $25 a share 5 years ago and is over
> $240
> > today.
> >
> > Con-tardz put all their money in HAL and KMI
> > because Palin told them to
>
>
> Yeah, with a ridiculous PE of like 200 vs Ford and
> GM at 5 - 7. lol
>

LOL GM and Ford. One that went bankrupt and the other has done nothing, nada for the past 30 years. $10 a share in 1987 and $13 a share today.

Damn it! Here's another thing working great for liberals!

Whatever happened to oil shortages and gas guzzling cars! Come on waiting in those mile long gas lines is fun!
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> Damn it! Here's another thing working great for
> liberals!
>
> Whatever happened to oil shortages and gas
> guzzling cars! Come on waiting in those mile long
> gas lines is fun!

Liberals want to save the environment and breath clean air, which is why they are against gas guzzlers.

Con-tardz want the U.S to look like China

dM9jN Wrote:
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> Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I know where we can get the fuckin electricity.
> > Gasoline! Or Coal, or nat gas or nuclear or
> wind
> > or solar motherfucker, the point is now we dont
> > need to get it exclusively from oil.
> >
> > Anyways we're gonna build and modernize the
> grid,
> > create renewable resources and put big oil out
> of
> > business. You oldtard idiotard trumptards try
> stay
> > out of our way and dont forget to thank us for
> > cheap oil and less trade deficits you ungratful
> > bastards.
>
> When we you liberal fuckers let of dig for rare
> earth metals in our own country to make our own
> batteries instead of bowing to the Chinese
> cartels? We are just changing allegiance by
> replacing oil with a battery infrastrucutre.

Afghanistan is full of them. Impose sanctions on Pakistan and that war will be over over night.

Lol@thelibtards Wrote:
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> Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hey idiot, they just revealed a 35000 dollar
> model
> > moron. Musk has been and is going to continue
> to
> > put a whoopin on you stupid fucking rightard
> > naysayer on the wrong side of history loser
> > motherfuckers no one gives shit about driven
> from
> > power Trumptard cocksuckin asshole rat bastard
> > sons of bitches.
>
>
> Lol! I can go 600 miles on a tank in my VW Passat
> and paid $10k less for it.
>
> Lol@libs sucking up to a capitalist raping US
> consumers of their tax credits!

Your car is slow and shity in comparison. Dont drive a Tesla. Continue pusing that diesel lmao.



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Anyways what you dumb rightards dont understand is demand is going to easily outpace supply when it comes to oil. The electric car is an existential necessity and saves the internal combustion engines energy supply.

This tech saves you idiots from yourselves.

All the NoVa douchebags will have one. It will be like the BMW 3-series of the 2000s

You Tesla fans do know that the batteries have a finite life span (less than 5 years) and when they have to be replaced.......bend over cuzz it's gonna hurt!

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Hey idiot, they just revealed a 35000 dollar model
> moron. Musk has been and is going to continue to
> put a whoopin on you stupid fucking rightard
> naysayer on the wrong side of history loser
> motherfuckers no one gives shit about driven from
> power Trumptard cocksuckin asshole rat bastard
> sons of bitches.


Hey idiot, what the car sells for doesn't change who owns the company. Which is mostly rich .01%ers and evil "banksters."

62% - 80% of the company depending on how you want to count is held by institutional investors, mostly big banks, hedge funds, and other investment groups. Musk gets paid back 1,000X on the money he loaned the company, the taxpayer gets 4% and gets stiffed on some of that because of the way that the sweetheart deal done was done. We take tax money from middle-class workers and give it to him and Wall Streeters to subsidize the company so that he can sell $75K sports cars (most closer to $100K as delivered) "on sale" to wealthy .1%ers through further fat tax credits from the federal and state governments.

And it STILL barely turns a "profit" on paper on rare occasions even using non-standard accounting. More realistically never and and continuing to lose $100s millions, burning through about $2 billion in capital last year. They now need another $2 billion just to keep pace, not even counting most of building out production for a large number of the 3 cars.

It loses about $4,000 for every S model sold. As far as the new one goes, the vast majority will not sell for anything close to $35K when delivered. That's a "from" price. By Tesla's own numbers, the average from the pre-orders would be about $42K. Higher-end models likely will be in the $50K-$60K range. Even then as it now stands they'll lose money on every one of those sold. The more that they sell, the more that they lose.

Musk blows at running a company and meeting deadlines so you likely won't even see any of the vapor cars until late-2018 if then. He has to do hokey shit like the fucking Kickstarter pre-sale campaign to get attention, keep the stock price pumped, and give him some vapor to sell to further capital sources. They only have a couple of billion in cash on hand now so they'll likely have to go out for several more rounds of financing which will further dilute the value of current ownership. Worse yet, their tax credits start to expire soon and mostly won't be available for the new 3 so expect Musk to be back begging the government for more money to fund him and his 1%er partners and customers again soon.

And you want to talk some bullshit about "righttards?" lmao!

All that said, the stock barely has anything to do with the actual company at this point so yeah it's been a great deal. It's basically like trading some virtual stock that has little to no relationship to the actual company. At some point soon that's going to become a lot more realistic and all of the numbers are going to have to come back into line with reality.

I don't know what the fuck this guy is talking about. No one hates rich people you stupid indoctrinated rightard. It's about fairness and balancing the budget and corruption in politics and workers rights.

wtf does that have to do with our discussion you dumb ass ideologue. We're talking about an evolving technology here you fucking neanderthal. Stick to the topic.

Musk is tremendously successful in his endeavors and is seen as one of the great men of our time. Your opinion means shit in contrast with the general consensus on what the man is accomplishing and has accomplished.

You say the car isn't cheap but he has a quarter million orders in less than 48 hours.

One would assume it's getting affordable enough and has enough appeal for large numbers of orders.

And that's what will lead to its sustainability and success as an evolving vehicle technology becoming more and more available and affordable.



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Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> I don't know what the fuck this guy is talking
> about. No one hates rich people you stupid
> indoctrinated rightard. It's about fairness and
> balancing the budget and corruption in politics
> and workers rights.

Right. As long as it's one of the rich people who you like. lol

Otherwise, they're "1%ers," "banksters." and "millionaires and billionaires" who aren't paying their "fair share."

>
> wtf does that have to do with our discussion you
> dumb ass ideologue. We're talking about an
> evolving technology here you fucking neanderthal.
> Stick to the topic.
>

It has everything to do with it you dope. Making an electric car isn't anything new or magical and the technology really hasn't advanced much. Musk certainly hasn't done much of anything to do so. We had electric vehicles before we had gas-powered cars.

The trick is making electric vehicles at a cost and with overall capabilities that are equal to liquid fuels. Tesla's cars and the company aren't even close by any objective measure. The only reason it exists now is because of subsidies.

> Musk is tremendously successful in his endeavors
> and is seen as one of the great men of our time.
> Your opinion means shit in contrast with the
> general consensus on what the man is accomplishing
> and has accomplished.

Musk is tremendously successful in getting other people to give him money for his endeavors. He's a great salesman. He's convinced you idiots that you're saving the planet by making him and rich his partners and Wall Street financiers even more rich and that subsidizing very wealthy people buying $100K toys is "evolving technology" and somehow noble while in the next breath you complain about income inequality. lol

>
> You say the car isn't cheap but he has a quarter
> million orders in less than 48 hours.
>
> One would assume it's getting affordable enough
> and has enough appeal for large numbers of
> orders.

He doesn't have orders. He has refundable deposits of about 1/50th of the actual cost for a vapor car which doesn't even really exist yet. Big difference. It's about the equivalent of Apple letting people reserve a $500 iPhone 9 two years in advance based on a prototype that they show for a refundable deposit of $10. And you'd laugh at them for doing so. But then, unlike Tesla, Apple doesn't have to do that because it actually makes money selling its products and doesn't need subsidies to survive. Granted by selling a lot of similar bs and marketing smoke to dumbass customers.

>
> And that's what will lead to its sustainability
> and success as an evolving vehicle technology
> becoming more and more available and affordable.


What will lead to "sustainability and success" is when we can truly produce electric vehicles with capabilities equal to petroleum-based fuels at competitive costs without having to rely on substantial subsidies while still losing money on every one sold like Tesla does. There will be plenty of electric vehicles then. As of now, even with Tesla and all other manufacturers at full production, they'll still be a only tiny percentage of vehicles sold.

Electrical vehicles are taking off. The curve spike is upon us. You idiots have been wrong in every single naysayer projection of its success until now.

Even the Saudi's are diversifying their economy. Not because of shale. They will put shale out of business like nobodies business. Because those sheiks love cars. They are car enthusiasts. And when they ordered and the drove a couple these Teslas that was the moment they realized how fucked they really were.

Every aspect is affected by its alternative means of acceleration. Weight distribution, handling, acceleration, design features, firewalls, accident safety, traction control, curb wight, center of gravity.

Its a better fucking car from the top to the bottom. And as soon as someone drives it all those attributes are fully understood by the driver.

The model X SUV has better handling than a Porsche. All of its weight is dead center a foot off the fucking ground. It has four wheel independent acceleration.

The technological capabilities differences are astounding.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Electrical vehicles are taking off. The curve
> spike is upon us. You idiots have been wrong in
> every single naysayer projection of its success
> until now.
>
> Even the Saudi's are diversifying their economy.
> Not because of shale. They will put shale out of
> business like nobodies business. Because those
> sheiks love cars. They are car enthusiasts. And
> when they ordered and the drove a couple these
> Teslas that was the moment they realized how
> fucked they really were.
>
> Every aspect is affected by its alternative means
> of acceleration. Weight distribution, handling,
> acceleration, design features, firewalls, accident
> safety, traction control, curb wight, center of
> gravity.
>
> Its a better fucking car from the top to the
> bottom. And as soon as someone drives it all
> those attributes are fully understood by the
> driver.


So much stupid in one post. lmao

Who do you think has invested in Tesla, bought the cars, as well as runs the investment companies and corporations which are building them and all of the components stupid? Sanders-tards??? lol!

You have your head so far up your own ideological ass all you can see is your own bullshit.

It's not a question of Tesla or any particular model being a good car with some particular advantages or other attributes. It's a matter of being able to produce them in huge numbers at a competitive price with overall capabilities equal to petroleum-fueled vehicles. The only reason that they've sold as many as they have is because they are heavily subsidized both on the production and buyer's ends. That's fact. Not some idiotic bullshit about Saudi princes changing the market because they like cool cars. lmao

Christ...

http://www.nature.com/news/the-rechargeable-revolution-a-better-battery-1.14815

You stupid fuck. A vehicles appeal and capabilities are the primary drivers for its sales. It has excellent sales success and is on an obvious huge slope in terms of affordability.

It's like you're a moron completely oblivious to everything that has occurred as it relates to Tesla arguing for the sake of argument.



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Ridiculous tax payer subsidies.

Tesla earlier this week confirmed that its highly anticipated Model 3, set to be unveiled on March 31, will in fact debut with a sticker price of $35,000 before incentives. With the $7,500 federal tax subsidy taken into account, interested buyers will be able to pick up a Model 3 for $27,500. What’s more, additional tax credits in certain states will lower the purchase price by even more.

While that all sounds great, it’s worth noting that the aforementioned $7,500 tax credit won’t be available in perpetuity. Rather, the law governing EV tax incentives dictates that the $7,500 tax credit will expire once a car manufacturer sells 200,000 eligible vehicles in the United States. Following that, the tax credit drops down to $3,750 for six months and then to $1,875 for the next six month period.

http://bgr.com/2016/02/12/tesla-model-3-price-7500-tax-credit-expire/

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> You stupid fuck. A vehicles appeal and
> capabilities are the primary drivers for its
> sales. It has excellent sales success and is on
> an obvious huge slope in terms of affordability.
>
>
> It's like you're a moron completely oblivious to
> everything that has occurred as it relates to
> Tesla arguing for the sake of argument.


I'm the only one recognizing the reality of the economics dumbshit.

Beyond being a limited-production boutique toy bought by people with lots of disposable income with government-provided discounts, it doesn't matter how appealing a car may be unless you can make millions of them and make money doing so.

There has been not been any "huge slope" in terms of affordability. By most all measures, other than early spec when they were new and limited, the cost and price of Tesla's existing models has increased not decreased. Certainly has not fallen. Producing a less expensive model doesn't constitute any "slope" in terms of affordability. If you didn't notice, there are and have been lots of other EVs out there at much more affordable prices which sell in much larger numbers than Tesla's cars.

WTFWTFWTFWTFWTF Wrote:
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> Ridiculous tax payer subsidies.
>
> Tesla earlier this week confirmed that its highly
> anticipated Model 3, set to be unveiled on March
> 31, will in fact debut with a sticker price of
> $35,000 before incentives. With the $7,500 federal
> tax subsidy taken into account, interested buyers
> will be able to pick up a Model 3 for $27,500.
> What’s more, additional tax credits in certain
> states will lower the purchase price by even
> more.
>
> While that all sounds great, it’s worth noting
> that the aforementioned $7,500 tax credit won’t
> be available in perpetuity. Rather, the law
> governing EV tax incentives dictates that the
> $7,500 tax credit will expire once a car
> manufacturer sells 200,000 eligible vehicles in
> the United States. Following that, the tax credit
> drops down to $3,750 for six months and then to
> $1,875 for the next six month period.
>
> http://bgr.com/2016/02/12/tesla-model-3-price-7500
> -tax-credit-expire/


Which mostly will be exhausted for Tesla by the time that the 3 starts coming out.

Which is as I said above why Musk will be back begging for more money soon.

Gerry's like an Apple fanboi for Tesla.

Next he'll be claiming that Musk invented the electric car.

Making Oooooo'ing noises to commercials showing Musk breaking a big display of a GM truck ad.

lol

So what are you idiots saying? Electric cars are not going to be affordable and mainstream? What exactly is the fucking position you are trying to take here?

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> So what are you idiots saying? Electric cars are
> not going to be affordable and mainstream? What
> exactly is the fucking position you are trying to
> take here?

Apparently they're not affordable, because you idiot fucks want decades of subsidies to push them out the door.

Easy enough to disprove. Drop the subsides NOW. You've had them way too high and too long already.

You idiots have been wrong on every single fucking thing as it relates to electric vehicles thus far. You don't have any new information and analysis. Your just losers on the wrong side of history and the facts and evolving technologies.

You're a bunch of fucking oldtards that don't want to give up the iconic image of your generation, the internal combustion big gas guzzling V8.

Well motherfuckers I am here to tell you right here and right now, you and your cars will soon be declared obsolete by my generation.

So will your electric vehicles sell without subsidies or not, GerryFuckTard?

We are creating the new economy. We are building a new nation. we are inventing the next leap forward for mankind, the energy revolution.

Stay the fuck out of the way.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> We are creating the new economy. We are building
> a new nation. we are inventing the next leap
> forward for mankind, the energy revolution.
>
> Stay the fuck out of the way.


You're not creating shit, you fucking drone.

Why did GM want every single EV1 back so they could turn it into little shreds of scrap metal?

Why are you idiots against freedom?
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It doesn't matter how many billions the Koch's and other big energy fucks spend this time. It doesn't matter how many dumb ass useful idiot rightards that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground troll ffxu.

That train has left the station this time. And it ain't coming back.

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> So what are you idiots saying? Electric cars are
> not going to be affordable and mainstream? What
> exactly is the fucking position you are trying to
> take here?

That batteries aren't a practical replacement just yet. Some of the coming battery technologies will improve matters. Li-Sulfur should get a doubling of energy density. This will get electric vehicles into a viable range for just about every driver. The next hurdle will be getting the price of batteries down. That's not going to happen until we get independence from China for our batteries. Otherwise, we are trading in one master for another.

Diesel is pretty exciting actually since we can burns fuels that greatly shorten the carbon cycle and uses local materials to create the fuels.

w4TDx Wrote:
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> Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So what are you idiots saying? Electric cars
> are
> > not going to be affordable and mainstream?
> What
> > exactly is the fucking position you are trying
> to
> > take here?
>
> That batteries aren't a practical replacement just
> yet. Some of the coming battery technologies will
> improve matters. Li-Sulfur should get a doubling
> of energy density. This will get electric
> vehicles into a viable range for just about every
> driver. The next hurdle will be getting the price
> of batteries down. That's not going to happen
> until we get independence from China for our
> batteries. Otherwise, we are trading in one
> master for another.
>
> Diesel is pretty exciting actually since we can
> burns fuels that greatly shorten the carbon cycle
> and uses local materials to create the fuels.

You got all the lithium in the world you'll need for decades under airspace you currently control in Afghanistan.

That's fuckin ironic isn't it? The oil is in Iraq and the Lithium is Afghanistan.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> You idiots have been wrong on every single fucking
> thing as it relates to electric vehicles thus far.
> You don't have any new information and analysis.
> Your just losers on the wrong side of history and
> the facts and evolving technologies.
>
> You're a bunch of fucking oldtards that don't want
> to give up the iconic image of your generation,
> the internal combustion big gas guzzling V8.
>
> Well motherfuckers I am here to tell you right
> here and right now, you and your cars will soon be
> declared obsolete by my generation.


Who are "we?" The people who are looking at Tesla's financials and the reality of their actual current money-losing economics? What "new" information do you have beyond that which changes things that every other objective analyst hasn't seen?

Like I said before, you do know that there are other producers of EV cars right? No, they haven't come way down on any affordability slope. Even Tesla hasn't made any big improvements to its own costs. As I said, in fact it's losing more money with every one that it makes.

But most telling in all of this is while claiming that you're changing the world and how great they are, your bullshit is completely undercut by the fact that you don't own a Tesla. LOL!

For some reason the market seems to disagree with your analysis of Tesla's financials and potential.

WTFWTFWTFWTFWTF Wrote:
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> So will your electric vehicles sell without
> subsidies or not, GerryFuckTard?


A tax credit or not would not have stopped any Tesla model S or X buyer. The model 3 is cheap enough where people would buy one without any subsidies. $35,000 won't even get you a basic 3 series these days.

Fun fact, a tesla model S in Norway costs $80k

A s class mercedes cost $300k


Teslas are taking over Europe for this reason

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> You got all the lithium in the world you'll need
> for decades under airspace you currently control
> in Afghanistan.


You are suggesting we steal the natural resources of another country? What's next, suggest trades them some smallpox infested blankets?

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> For some reason the market seems to disagree with
> your analysis of Tesla's financials and potential.


The "market" is terrible at analysis. Remember the tech bubble?

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> > For some reason the market seems to disagree
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> > your analysis of Tesla's financials and
> potential.
>
>
> The "market" is terrible at analysis. Remember
> the tech bubble?


If you're so confident, short TSLA

The gullibility, ignorance and hate of America shown in this thread by the libtards is laughable!

Lol!

So expected. No rational or independent thought at all.

Lol!

Starting to see tons of Tesla superchargers everywhere, the future is here.

Conservatives, as usual are years behind actual facts.

The new Tesla Model 3 sells for about $25,000 after credits. That is complete with "INSANE" mode 0-60 in 2 seconds.

A $25,000 car that can smoke any $120,000 Lambo, Corvette, Viper? Doesn't need gas and can be filled up for pennies at home. No exhaust fumes? Doesn't need oil changes? 1000X more reliable than a gas engine?

For the 2014 election cycle, Musk has contributed to the Longhorn PAC and the National Republican Congressional Committee — both of which have funded the campaigns of anti-science, anti-environment candidates, like Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.).

Lol!!!

Gerry, stop replying to yourself.

Lol!
Trent Lott represents Tesla!

Lol!

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> For some reason the market seems to disagree with
> your analysis of Tesla's financials and potential.


Uh, no it doesn't. Everything that I posted is factual information relating their current financials. Tesla doesn't dispute the numbers. In fact, they're the ones who publish the information showing that they lose money on every car sold.

Do you know why they didn't make a more affordable model to date? Because the market can't support the cost that they'd have to charge for it so they had to target 1%er buyers who will pay a substantial premium for a boutique performance toy with government-provided discounts. Most objective analysts would agree that it remains to be seen whether they actually can or not and that there is substantial competition coming which will put it under even more pressure making that even harder.

Again, if it's such an incredible product, despite all of your bullshit about how "you're" changing the world, why don't you own one?

An electric car company battling the winds of status quo and huge money interests, hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars of special interests, doesn't just win over the market for no apparent reason.

You are a joke.

$25,000 Wrote:
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> Conservatives, as usual are years behind actual
> facts.
>
> The new Tesla Model 3 sells for about $25,000
> after credits. That is complete with "INSANE"
> mode 0-60 in 2 seconds.
>
> A $25,000 car that can smoke any $120,000 Lambo,
> Corvette, Viper? Doesn't need gas and can be
> filled up for pennies at home. No exhaust fumes?
> Doesn't need oil changes? 1000X more reliable
> than a gas engine?


Libtards as usual exist in a fantasy world avoiding reality.

No, won't actually sell for $25,000. Again, the $35K number is a "from" price for idiots who don't read the fine print. The average cost for the pre-order cars would be $42,000. The higher models will run up to the high $50s-$60s. The versions with an "insane mode" very likely will not be the lower end. Your $25,000 number is way off even considering subsidies which, as things now stand, will expire before most of the 3 cars even start to roll out.

Lol!
Gerry can't afford a voter card how's he going to afford a Tesla let alone a Yugo?

Lol!

$35,000? Dirt cheap.
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> An electric car company battling the winds of
> status quo and huge money interests, hundreds of
> billions if not trillions of dollars of special
> interests, doesn't just win over the market for no
> apparent reason.
>
> You are a joke.


Special interests? The only reason that Tesla exists is because of special interest lobbying for subsidies. Based mostly on the premise of marketing that it's changing the world to chumps like you while actually selling $100K toys to 1%ers with government-provided subsidies and "banksters" who made a killing on the IPO and continue to do so by pumping the stock price up. lol

Why don't you own one again?

Comparable 35K 2016 Infiniti Q50 base model 4 cylinder turbo.
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> $35,000? Dirt cheap.


It looks like a Mazda 3 with nice wheels.

That Tesla is fuckin sick.

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> It looks like a Mazda 3 with nice wheels.

It ain't no Mazda buddy. You have no idea what you are comparing. That fuckin thing is a four wheel drive monster off the line and puts a whole know meaning to moon roof.



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> Comparable 35K 2016 Infiniti Q50 base model 4
> cylinder turbo.


How does it compare to your 98 Sentra?

You rightards are idiots. Pound for pound the Tesla Model 3 is the the best car in the world for the money.

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> >
> > It looks like a Mazda 3 with nice wheels.
>
> It ain't no Mazda buddy. You have no idea what
> you are comparing. That fuckin thing is a four
> wheel drive monster off the line and puts a whole
> know meaning to moon roof.


I didn't compare them.

I said that it looks like a Mazda 3 with nice wheels.

Which it does.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> You rightards are idiots. Pound for pound the
> Tesla Model 3 is the the best car in the world for
> the money.


Considering that vapor doesn't weigh much, you're probably right. lol

You didn't even put down a deposit on one did you dicklicker? LMAO!

Well your an ignorant dumb ass that doesn't know shit for saying something so stupid.

It has ferrari inspired fenders with porsche inspired headlights. Where you get mazda from is idiotic. Because its seats back into the hatch? That what the car does. It has two trunks and no engine and more cabin space too as a result.



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Trent Lott and a 98 sentra!

G2 is an assclown!

Lol!

You got no style. You're a clueless oldtard probably. Pull up to a light with no grill. Look at that thing. It screams Tesla.

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> Well your an ignorant dumb ass that doesn't know
> shit for saying something so stupid.
>
> It has ferrari inspired fenders with porsche
> inspired headlights. Where you get mazda from is
> idiotic. Because its seats back into the hatch?
> That what the car does. It has two trunks and no
> engine and more cabin space too as a result.


Ferrari and Porsche "inspired. lol

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> > Well your an ignorant dumb ass that doesn't
> know
> > shit for saying something so stupid.
> >
> > It has ferrari inspired fenders with porsche
> > inspired headlights. Where you get mazda from
> is
> > idiotic. Because its seats back into the hatch?
>
> > That what the car does. It has two trunks and
> no
> > engine and more cabin space too as a result.
>
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> Ferrari and Porsche "inspired. lol
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> src="https://s3.graphiq.com/sites/default/files/43
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> 0L_4cyl_6M_6510137.jpg" width="800">

That color looks good on the Tesla model 3.

G2 is a total retard.

Hey Gerry, thanks for your support!

I looked for you deposit but I don't see one?

Looks just like it!
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Now you're giving Mazda the credit for the in hatch seat designed vehicle?
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model S. You're a moron that is wasting my time.
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> model S. You're a moron that is wasting my time.


WTF does the S have to do with the 3? Who said anything about Mazda and the hatch back?

The Mazda and Tesla 3s look very similar. From the arch of the hood over the wheels, to the roof line, to the kick at the rear fender. Even the windows/roof pots are done in the same way. Overall shape and profile is basically the same. Only little differences are in details of the mirrors, handle, and grill.

The profiles are obviously going to be similar due to the hatchback design similarity. Outside of that the fenders, the grill, the windshield, the headlights and the door handles are all different.