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I urge you to reconsider. Obama may have his faults, but he's worlds better than McCain. I hope you realize this in time so as not to vote for that sleezy old ignorant dinosaur, who- does not view daily life the same way as average Americans, who cannot differentiate between conflicting religious and political groups in the middle east (where we put so much of our time and money into), who could care less about sending our courageous young troops to die in this big mess we call the War On Terrorism, who cannot count how many houses he owns, who cannot remember what car he drives, and who has not specified ANYTHING about the economy and what he plans to change. You've gotta give Obama at least the credit for that, he laid something down.

Awakened...wow...and thank you! You have hit the nail right on the head.

Alias, I have a few questions about the terrorist (William Ayers?) who blew up the Capitol or attempted such an act in the 1960s when Barack Obama was eight years of age.

1. If he is such a bad, guilty fellow why was he never indicted or arrested, let alone convicted of any crime?

2. If he is such a close friend of Senator Obama's why is there not a single photo of the two of them together?

3. Why is he considered a respectable member of the Chicago community where he is a university professor and a visiting professor to that right wing bastion of learning, the University of South Carolina?

My understanding of this issue is Mr. Ayers once donated $200 to an Obama political campaign, he was present at an Obama organizing meeting once, and they both served on a local charity board. Senator Obama has also denounced all violent actions by the group in question, just for the record.

Okay, Alias, of you are going to use republican attack adds as a starting point for discussion, please answer questions one through three above, and cite sources.

P.S. If you're going to use the "we didn't do enough" quote, please attribute it to his efforts to end the Vietnam war, which is in context to the discussion in question.

he's a community organizer - bfd

I supported John McCain in 2000. I actually considered supporting him this time around if Hillary were to win the nomination. But given his flip-flops, his treatment of the women in his life, his willingness...even eagerness...to throw his principles aside and embrace people like Falwell and Rove for the sole purpose of winning the Presidency, I can't imagine ever supporting this man again. John McCain shows no intention of moving away from the Nixonian hatchet-job politics that have been used by Dubya. I have no interest in four more years of that kind of bullshit.

For the record, even Fox News has refused to air this add.

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> Alias, I have a few questions about the terrorist
> (William Ayers?) who blew up the Capitol or
> attempted such an act in the 1960s when Barack
> Obama was eight years of age.
>
> 1. If he is such a bad, guilty fellow why was he
> never indicted or arrested, let alone convicted of
> any crime?

Reinventing facts does not make them true. Ayers was actually was indicted for conspiracy to bomb police stations and government buildings and other charges. He has admitted to other crimes as well, but the statute of limitations ran out on them and he cannot be prosecuted for them. His wife, Bernardine Dohrn, who is also an Obama supporter, spent a good portion of the 1970s on the FBI's most wanted list. She later plead guilty to a series of offenses related to her weather underground activities. Further, at a Senate hearing, Larry Grathwohl testified that Bill Ayers, then a high-ranking member of the organization and a member of its Central Committee, had said Bernardine Dohrn constructed and planted the bomb that killed a San Franciso police officer. Grathwohl testified that Ayers had told him specifically where the bomb was placed (on a window ledge) and what kind of shrapnel was put in it. Grathwohl said Ayers was emphatic, leading Grathwohl to believe Ayers either was present at some point during the operation or had heard about it from someone who was there. The list goes on and on.

> 2. If he is such a close friend of Senator Obama's
> why is there not a single photo of the two of them
> together?

How do we know there isn't?

> 3. Why is he considered a respectable member of
> the Chicago community where he is a university
> professor and a visiting professor to that right
> wing bastion of learning, the University of South
> Carolina?

Respected? By who? Militants who have gone straight? Numerous alumni of the institutions have petitioned for their removal.

> My understanding of this issue is Mr. Ayers once
> donated $200 to an Obama political campaign, he
> was present at an Obama organizing meeting once,
> and they both served on a local charity board.
> Senator Obama has also denounced all violent
> actions by the group in question, just for the
> record.

If that is the case, your understanding of the issue is misinformed. He was not just present at an Obama organizing meeting once, he HOSTED a meet and greet with the candidate at HIS HOME. Don't see the difference? Obama voluntarily walked into the house of an admitted terrorist. It wasn't like he happened to be in an upstanding non-terrorist household and unbenounced to him Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn just happend by. He made a conscientious decision to hold an event at a the home of admitted terrorists.


> Okay, Alias, of you are going to use republican
> attack adds as a starting point for discussion,
> please answer questions one through three above,
> and cite sources.
>
> P.S. If you're going to use the "we didn't do
> enough" quote, please attribute it to his efforts
> to end the Vietnam war, which is in context to the
> discussion in question.

All this talk about Ayers is nothing more then a republikan diversion! They have a candidate who supports the further militarisation of this country...a man intent on fighting wars for the next 100 years...a man intent on driving the deficit of this country to the point that the only thing we'll have money left to spend on is our military! We need to keep the spot light on their candidate and not let them turn the discussion to Obama's ministers... relatives..and people he happened to sit in the same room with.



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Alias loves to pick up boys at elementary school playgrounds like his GOP friends.

Capt. Obvious Wrote:
>>> made the conscientious decision to hold an event at the home of admitted terrorists.


Typical neocon scare-tactic/garbage. Keep people ignorant and afraid and they will follow you like sheep, no matter how wrong or misguided you are.

Does anyone seriously want four more years of this kind of bullshit??

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Capt. Obvious Wrote:
> >>> made the conscientious decision to hold an
> event at the home of admitted terrorists.
>
>
> Typical neocon scare-tactic/garbage. Keep people
> ignorant and afraid and they will follow you like
> sheep, no matter how wrong or misguided you are.
>
> Does anyone seriously want four more years of this
> kind of bullshit??

What's the matter? Hate the facts? That is a paraphrase of a NEW YORK TIMES article. The article said: "Mr. Obama also fit in at Hyde Park’s fringes, among university faculty members like Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, unrepentant members of the radical Weather Underground that bombed the United States Capitol and the Pentagon to protest the Vietnam War. Mr. Obama was introduced to the couple in 1995 at a meet-and-greet they held for him at their home, aides said."

Here is the full article - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/us/politics/11chicago.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin


The only garbage here is your denial! Obama has never even denied this. His aids even confirmed it for the article! Go ahead, keep your head in the sand - typical uninformed Obama supporter who won't let facts get in the way of your worship of him.

LOL- head in the sand??? You're the one that's got your head in the sand. It's was a fuckin' cocktail party meet-and-greet with a bunch of yuppies. You're really afraid of that??

This wasn't some shadowy meeting on the streets of Kandahar, dummy.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> LOL- head in the sand??? You're the one that's
> got your head in the sand. It's was a fuckin'
> cocktail party meet-and-greet with a bunch of
> yuppies. You're really afraid of that??

Yuppies who are unrepentant terrorists. Do you get that? Reverse the roles. Place McCain or any other candidate at the home of a former Klansman who went on to become a college professor. Sure, he is doing nice things for his community now, but thinks he didn't do enough to promote racial segregation when he could have. I am not afraid of Ayers or Dohrn, I am afraid of placing a man in the oval office who would be willing to go to the home of unrepentant terrorists who are likely behind the murder of police officers in order to raise a few dollars and get some liberal street cred. It shows a lack of judgment and lack of respect for law enforcement and generally a lack of respect for the laws of our society.


> This wasn't some shadowy meeting on the streets of
> Kandahar, dummy.

No, it was worse, it took place here in the US.

Well the big difference is that they weren't charged or convicted of "murdering police", and if he's such a dangerous terrorist, why hasn't the Bush administration gotten this guy off our streets? Oh that's right, because this is all just a bunch of swiftboating nonsense aimed at scaring dumb Americans.

It's apparent. Aliass-less-chaps and Capt. Crunchberries are scared and in love. Don't be scared.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Well the big difference is that they weren't
> charged or convicted of "murdering police", and if
> he's such a dangerous terrorist, why hasn't the
> Bush administration gotten this guy off our
> streets? Oh that's right, because this is all
> just a bunch of swiftboating nonsense aimed at
> scaring dumb Americans.


In Bill Ayers' own words: "Guilty as sin, free as a bird, America is a great country."

While they were never charged or convicted of "murdering police," there is sworn testimony before the Senate indicating Bernardine Dohrn built and planted a bomb that killed a police officer in San Francisco.

Ayers was charged with "conspiracy to bomb police stations and government buildings." The charges were dropped because of investigative misconduct.

Bill Ayres, in his own words, stated he "participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972." Of the day he bombed the Pentagon, Ayers says, "Everything was absolutely ideal. The sky was blue. The birds were singing. And the bastards were finally going to get what was coming to them."

Nonsense? Hardly. More like facts. You might want to learn them.

Like I said, these are the facts. It should be up to the individual voter if they think it is appropriate for a Presidential candidate to attend a campaign event at the home of people who commit these acts and make these statements. If you are OK with a candidate associating with these kind of people, then by all means vote Obama.

In step with the GOP's faulty logic, let's not forget McCain's ties to Osama bin Laden. Here's the facts.

--> McCain is endorsed by Bush and has voted in favor of 95% of his legislation in the previous 7.5 years.

--> Bush and his family supported KNOWN INTERNATIONAL TERRORISTS in their petroleum investments in the 1990s.

--> These KNOWN INTERNATIONAL TERRORISTS had financed Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Oh, and Reagan and Bush Sr.'s CIA financed and armed Osama bin Laden in the 1980s.

It doesn't get any worse than that. McCain and the GOP supported bin Laden, therefore McCain is a terrorist.

That's true ^ the arming of the Mujahideen was a bad plan.

If we want to talk about guilty by association...let's talk about what President Bush and the Ambassador from Saudi Arabia had to talk about at the White House days after 9/11? After all the majority of 9/11 terrorists were Saudis...educated in the hate professed in Saudi text books....the country home of Osama Bin Laden. What did they talk about? Bush is the guilty party here...he should have been impeached..I hope President Obama pens that investigation as soon as he is sworn in!

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> If we want to talk about guilty by
> association...let's talk about what President Bush
> and the Ambassador from Saudi Arabia had to talk
> about at the White House days after 9/11? After
> all the majority of 9/11 terrorists were
> Saudis...educated in the hate professed in Saudi
> text books....the country home of Osama Bin Laden.
> What did they talk about? Bush is the guilty
> party here...he should have been impeached..I hope
> President Obama pens that investigation as soon as
> he is sworn in!

This is your response. These are laughable. Of course you meet with an allied nation after your country has been attacked by middle east terrorists. Your scenario is innuendo and circumspect while the fact is that Sen. Obama voluntarily went to the home of a known, admitted, and unrepentant terrorist. And, speaking of radical writings, you might want to take a look at a few of Ayers works.


What I am seeing though is that there is no denial of Senator Obama's relationship with Ayers and Dohrn. I assume your silence on the matter is an implicit admission of their veracity.

Hey Capt Alias,

So playing your game, please do not hang out with any of these known terrorists and terrorist supporters

Oliver North
Ronald Reagan
Henry Kissinger
Scooter Libby
Richard Armitrage
Karl rove
I can go on and on.

Capt. Obvious Wrote:
>>>Senator Obama's relationship with Ayers and Dohrn


O NOES! THE SMOKING WATER PISTOL!!

Capt. Obvious Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If we want to talk about guilty by
> > association...let's talk about what President
> Bush
> > and the Ambassador from Saudi Arabia had to
> talk
> > about at the White House days after 9/11?
> After
> > all the majority of 9/11 terrorists were
> > Saudis...educated in the hate professed in
> Saudi
> > text books....the country home of Osama Bin
> Laden.
> > What did they talk about? Bush is the guilty
> > party here...he should have been impeached..I
> hope
> > President Obama pens that investigation as soon
> as
> > he is sworn in!
>
> This is your response. These are laughable. Of
> course you meet with an allied nation after your
> country has been attacked by middle east
> terrorists. Your scenario is innuendo and
> circumspect while the fact is that Sen. Obama
> voluntarily went to the home of a known, admitted,
> and unrepentant terrorist. And, speaking of
> radical writings, you might want to take a look at
> a few of Ayers works.
>
>
> What I am seeing though is that there is no denial
> of Senator Obama's relationship with Ayers and
> Dohrn. I assume your silence on the matter is an
> implicit admission of their veracity.


It was Prince Bandar the Saudi Ambassador at the time. It is well known that the President was showing off when he went over the plans to invade Iraq less than 72 hours after the tradegy.

How many of the 911 terrorists were Iraqi? How many were Saudis? What is the relationship between the Saudi Rulling Family and the Bin Laden family?

Talk about choosing your friends.

Radiophile Wrote:
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> Hey Capt Alias,
>
> So playing your game, please do not hang out with
> any of these known terrorists and terrorist
> supporters
>
> Oliver North
> Ronald Reagan
> Henry Kissinger
> Scooter Libby
> Richard Armitrage
> Karl rove
> I can go on and on.

Hey Radiofag,
First, I am not Alias, seriously, so cut that crap out. Second. Which on the above list were charged with bombing federal buildings in the US? What's that? How many? I know you can go on and on. You never run out of nonsense.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Capt. Obvious Wrote:
> >>>Senator Obama's relationship with Ayers and
> Dohrn
>
>
> O NOES! THE SMOKING WATER PISTOL!!

Back for another bitch slapping? Which fact are you going to ignore this time? Haven't you been discredited enough today? Now you have some back up in Vince's and Radiophile's conspiracy theories and you feel all tough again? Go ahead and hitch your wagon to those lame mares.

Capt. Obvious Wrote:
>>> First, I am not Alias, seriously, so cut that crap out. Second. Which on the above list were charged with bombing federal buildings in the US?


If you're so hung up on this spurious association with William Ayers, how do you feel about South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford's relationship with Ayers, while Sanford was on the Board of Trustees at U So. Carolina? That school even praised Ayer's work! Don't you think McCain & Co. should launching a campaign against Sanford as well?

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Capt. Obvious Wrote:
> >>> First, I am not Alias, seriously, so cut that
> crap out. Second. Which on the above list were
> charged with bombing federal buildings in the US?
>
>
> If you're so hung up on this spurious association
> with William Ayers, how do you feel about South
> Carolina Governor Mark Sanford's relationship with
> Ayers, while Sanford was on the Board of Trustees
> at U So. Carolina? That school even praised
> Ayer's work! Don't you think McCain & Co. should
> launching a campaign against Sanford as well?

Senator Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers isn't spurious, it is documented and admitted to by the candidate's own staff. Sanford is on the board in an ex-officio capacity by nature of him being Governor. If Sanford did in fact have a hand in praising the man's work, I would have an issue with that. Should McCain launch a campaign against Sanford? I hadn't realized that Sanford was running against McCain. Also, if you noticed, I do not really cast any aspersions on Senator Obama for any endeavors that he and Bill Ayers embarked upon regarding education. I have problems with his association in a political atmosphere. Any other stupid questions?

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Alias Wrote:
>>> Barack Hussein Obama & The Military


Hahaha. What embarrassingly bad propaganda that is. It's basically clips of Obama interpolated with pics of the Taliban, mushroom clouds, and the Twin Towers- things that have nothing to do with the Iraq debacle. It addresses nothing in an lame attempt to invoke irrational fear among people too dumb to understand things. Sort of an idiot's version of "Two Minutes Hate".

At least Capt. Obvious has some thought-out material to offer- that video is just plain laughable.

Leni Riefenstahl must be rolling in her grave after that one.

Capt. Obvious Wrote:
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> TheMeeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Capt. Obvious Wrote:
> > >>> First, I am not Alias, seriously, so cut
> that
> > crap out. Second. Which on the above list
> were
> > charged with bombing federal buildings in the
> US?

> >
> >
> > If you're so hung up on this spurious
> association
> > with William Ayers, how do you feel about South
> > Carolina Governor Mark Sanford's relationship
> with
> > Ayers, while Sanford was on the Board of
> Trustees
> > at U So. Carolina? That school even praised
> > Ayer's work! Don't you think McCain & Co.
> should
> > launching a campaign against Sanford as well?
>
> Senator Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers isn't
> spurious, it is documented and admitted to by the
> candidate's own staff. Sanford is on the board in
> an ex-officio capacity by nature of him being
> Governor. If Sanford did in fact have a hand in
> praising the man's work, I would have an issue
> with that. Should McCain launch a campaign
> against Sanford? I hadn't realized that Sanford
> was running against McCain. Also, if you noticed,
> I do not really cast any aspersions on Senator
> Obama for any endeavors that he and Bill Ayers
> embarked upon regarding education. I have
> problems with his association in a political
> atmosphere. Any other stupid questions?


This issue doesnt matter..it's not going to change one persons mind for or against Obama or McSame. You are wasting our time...there are many issues that do matter..this isnt one of them.



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Vince(1) Wrote:
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> This issue doesnt matter..it's not going to change
> one persons mind for or against Obama or McSame.
> You are wasting our time...there are many issues
> that do matter..this isnt one of them.

I second that.

LOL that first AD had me laughing. I wouldn't be surprised if that AD is some sneaky Obama supporter trying to make the McCain campaign look bad. McCain wouldn't be stupid enough to let that AD air.

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Alias,

How old are you? 14-15?

You post like a typical fat ass. You get no respect in real life so the only conversations you know are to confront people. You like to repeat your topics because you are use to nobody listening. Your basis for intelligence is calling people names.

In summary, you are making a large ass out of yourself.

Love,
Jester

In response to the video you just posted.

Obama is right, health care costs are out of control. The exact same health care products bought in Canada and Europe cost half as much.

Hahaha. Remember back in the day when everyone thought YA and Inkahootz were the biggest retards posting here? This Alias/Moderator dork somehow manages to exceed them in every category by an order of magnitude. At least YA and Inka were sorta funny and had moments where they seemed normal. Not this guy!



Jester Wrote:
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> Alias,
>
> How old are you? 14-15?
>
> You post like a typical fat ass. You get no
> respect in real life so the only conversations you
> know are to confront people. You like to repeat
> your topics because you are use to nobody
> listening. Your basis for intelligence is calling
> people names.
>
> In summary, you are making a large ass out of
> yourself.
>
> Love,
> Jester

Alias and Moderator, like the GOP, have nothing new to add and no real solutions for anything.

STAY THE COURSE! WTF.

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"**** it, i'm going to Canada"

~ Martin Luther King Jr. (boondocks episode 109)

You forgot a few:

"What does a VP do everyday?", Sarah Palin

"Let’s examine Mr. McCain a bit. Hard-drinking playboy as a youth, athlete, friendly guy, son of an Admiral, grandson of an Admiral. So it was decided he would attend Annapolis.

There he continued his reckless ways, and was described by classmates as the ultimate party guy. He came precipitously close to flunking out on more than one occasion, according to Annapolis records, and just as close to being kicked out on another occasion. But the dauntless Naval warrior held on, and graduated: 5th from the bottom of all in his class.

When asked about that recently, McCain said he had only one regret. He said that President Eisenhower was a guest at the graduation that year. When the ceremony was about to wind up, Ike said “…One more thing. I’d like to shake hands and congratulate the anchor man.” Anchor man is the title given to the cadet who graduates dead last - at the very bottom of the class. McCain said in response to the interviewer’s question: “…the only thing I regret was that I couldn’t have graduated last so I could shake hands with President Eisenhower.” And then he grinned."

Another GW is right.

RR

I DUN GRADUATED LAST IN MAH CLASS! 1.0 GPA! AND MAH GRADING SCALE WAS HAAWRD TOO! 80% WAS AN "A"! YEE HAW! MCCAIN, NOT BARAK HUSSEIN OSAMA BIN LADEN< HAHAHA SEE MAH JOKE, HIS NAMES SO STUPID! IM NOT VOTING FOR HIM! HAHA.

THOSE IRAQISTANIANS SHOULD GO BACK TO AFRICA

I have a really funny joke to “share” with everyone. Are you all ready????? OK!



Knock, knock Who's there?
Eyes
Eyes who?
Eyes yo new president.
Attachments:

Alias, go back to your cage.

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I am not radiophile nor am I meeper, you prick

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Ah, peace and quiet.

He is an inspiration for jihad