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Greece votes NO
Posted by: Uh ohes ()
Date: July 05, 2015 06:18PM

S&P futures drop 1.5% in initial trading.

Greece - Now What?

Greece shocked the consensus by voting “no” by a surprisingly large majority to reject the demands of its creditors on Sunday, July 5th. The markets were not expecting this result primarily because they had convinced themselves that Greece needs the Eurozone more than the Eurozone needs Greece...

Unless something changes in the next few days, Greece is going to default on roughly €490 billion of debt in one form or another. Reportedly €330 billion debt is held by the IMF and ECB and another €100 billion is in Target2 obligations (a trade finance facility) that are basically owed to Germany. Greece has no hope of being able to pay much of this back. Even though much of it is owed to governments, it is still real money that will trigger real losses that will ultimately be born by European taxpayers (and US taxpayers will pick up a portion through this country’s IMF contributions). Hedge funds and other private sector actors are also looking at losses. Greece’s banking system is also about to collapse, which will cause real human hardship within the country.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: Greece votes yes! ()
Date: July 05, 2015 08:08PM

Greece voted Yes to being leaches. Nothing says Winner like defaulting on your loans!

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: No no no ()
Date: July 05, 2015 08:14PM

They already did that.

The only question was whether they'd get more to default on.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: Greece is Done ()
Date: July 05, 2015 08:27PM

Nothing new there. Greece has been fucking over creditors for decades. A bunch of thick headed conservatives with no vision of future repercussions.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: Wut? ()
Date: July 05, 2015 08:34PM

Greece is Done Wrote:
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> Nothing new there. Greece has been fucking over
> creditors for decades. A bunch of thick headed
> conservatives with no vision of future
> repercussions.


The government has been leftist and socialist for like the last 150 years and the guy running it now is Tsipras from the far far-Left Syriza party.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: jkfhrfg ()
Date: July 05, 2015 08:35PM

The world's leaders haven't been very smart. I hope they make better decisions in the future. Their first good decision would be to tell Greece to fuck off. No forgiveness and no more financial aid...ever.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: CUVW9 ()
Date: July 05, 2015 08:48PM

Greece is "too big to fail" since it is a member of the EU.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: jkfjhgh ()
Date: July 05, 2015 08:51PM

CUVW9 Wrote:
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> Greece is "too big to fail" since it is a member
> of the EU.

But, it just officially did fail. It's been a socialist failure for a long time, nothing but a money pit. It's like all socialist ideological entities. Impossible to maintain.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: July 05, 2015 08:55PM

lol rightards when the global financial crisis and austerity did them in.

Dont worry the irresponsible repukes are willing to hold us hostage to more debt and not compromise a balanced budget.

Obama has singlehandedly decreased the deficit they left him to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: klfjhrfgh ()
Date: July 05, 2015 09:03PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Obama has singlehandedly decreased the deficit
> they left him to the tune of hundreds of billions
> of dollars.

Today’s Federal Debt is about $18,581,157,354,000

Deficit is just one part of the truth

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: Socialism Fail ()
Date: July 05, 2015 09:07PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> lol rightards when the global financial crisis and
> austerity did them in.
>
> Dont worry the irresponsible repukes are willing
> to hold us hostage to more debt and not compromise
> a balanced budget.
>
> Obama has singlehandedly decreased the deficit
> they left him to the tune of hundreds of billions
> of dollars.


50+ years of over-spending and under-producing did them in.

The only 'austerity' was when they finally ran out of imaginary money and the harder working Germans wouldn't give their lazy dependent asses any more without requiring that they get real.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: July 05, 2015 09:13PM

I thought the Germans were socialist failures too? As is everyone in the world other than the United States.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: Socialism Fail ()
Date: July 05, 2015 09:56PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> I thought the Germans were socialist failures too?
> As is everyone in the world other than the United
> States.


Not even in the same class that Greece is. The Germans have a good solid work ethic and appreciate the value of money. Greeks are more like your Democratic free shit army. All takers, no makers.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: July 05, 2015 09:59PM

The American left is to the right of the German right.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: Mercantilism fail ()
Date: July 05, 2015 10:04PM

The Target2 imbalance is similar to the vendor finance bubble of the telecoms. German banks lend Greece the money to buy goods from Germany. They get cut off unless they agree to all the demands of their creditors.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: Socialism Fail ()
Date: July 05, 2015 10:22PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> The American left is to the right of the German
> right.


Nope, they're not really. Other than maybe some of the Greenies.

Despite having more in the way of various social institutions, the Germans tend to be rather conservative. They hate leeches. They all work and when they're at work, they work heads down. No fucking off. No bullshit. No excuses. They tend to be proud of their jobs and positions. That's why the Germans hate the Greeks. And why they make fun of them in the same way that we do your hopelessly lazy dependent base.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: fjhfgh ()
Date: July 05, 2015 10:45PM

My guess is that GerrTard has never read Animal Farm

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: animal farm ()
Date: July 05, 2015 10:48PM

fjhfgh Wrote:
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> My guess is that GerrTard has never read Animal
> Farm

Because selling slurpees isn't too lucrative, here's a link to animal farm in pdf format

http://msxnet.org/orwell/print/animal_farm.pdf

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Gerrymanderer2 Is A Stupid Fuckdouche
Posted by: Mike O'Meara Show Fan ()
Date: July 05, 2015 11:06PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> lol rightards when the global financial crisis and
> austerity did them in.
>
> Dont worry the irresponsible repukes are willing
> to hold us hostage to more debt and not compromise
> a balanced budget.
>
> Obama has singlehandedly decreased the deficit
> they left him to the tune of hundreds of billions
> of dollars.

You, Sir, are a cum-guzzling fag. The last time we didn't have a deficit was one year in the Clinton administration. Presidents don't inherit deficits; they're a year to year thing. When your spending exceeds your income you have a deficit. And Obama doesn't care about it because [insert reason here].

What he DID inherit is debt, which he quickly managed to triple. So, fuck yourself in the ass with a sharp pencil and work it out like a constipated accountant.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: July 05, 2015 11:12PM

He inherited a trillion dollar deficit from you losers. You're not entitled to your own facts.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: jhey ()
Date: July 05, 2015 11:19PM

CUVW9 Wrote:
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> Greece is "too big to fail" since it is a member
> of the EU.

Not for long.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: US = Greece ()
Date: July 05, 2015 11:25PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> He inherited a trillion dollar deficit from you
> losers. You're not entitled to your own facts.

Democrats do have a point when they say that the federal deficit is going down. The deficit is a measure of a single year’s shortfall, the difference between what the government takes in and what it spends. And in recent years, the deficit has been declining, thanks to the end of the recession and lower government spending.

And even if some are feeling cheerful about declining deficits, the Congressional Budget Office warns that shrinking deficits won’t last if the nation keeps to its current spending and taxing policies. Deficits will begin to increase in years to come, and continue increasing for the next 25 years, through 2038.

Much of that deficit spending will be driven by spending on health care -- especially Medicare, the government insurance program for people over age 65 -- and Social Security, according to the CBO’s latest report.

"The unsustainable nature of the federal government’s current tax and spending policies presents lawmakers and the public with difficult choices. Unless substantial changes are made to the major health care programs and Social Security, those programs will absorb a much larger share of the economy’s total output in the future than they have in the past."

We see no end in sight to conversation and commentary about deficits and debt. So keep this in mind:

Deficit=one year.

Debt=all money owed.

IE- US is on the same path as Greece

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2014/feb/27/debt-vs-deficit-whats-difference/

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: July 05, 2015 11:36PM

Social Sexurity is completely self sustaining if its fund wasn't being raided. Rising costs of Medicare are associated with the for profit insurance based health care system with its ever increasing costs of care.

You don't have an alternative to Medicare other than killing off old by denying them care.

The necessity for future fiscal sustainability is a single payer system across th3 board and a tax policy to keep it fiscally neutral.

There is no alternative, no matter how many Americans you allow to die in the process while trying to hold on to this cancerous for profit insurance based system it will still someday no matter what draconian measures are taken be unsustainable a single payer system will replace it.

So whther its 10, 20, 30 or more years from now there will be single payer health care.

I think there will be universal single payer by 2025 and at latest 2035.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: You believed that bs? ()
Date: July 06, 2015 12:12AM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Social Sexurity is completely self sustaining if
> its fund wasn't being raided.
>


Wrong. As always.

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A MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC:

Each year the Trustees of the Social Security and Medicare trust funds report on the current and projected financial status of the two programs. This message summarizes the 2014 Annual Reports.

Neither Medicare nor Social Security can sustain projected long-run program costs in full under currently scheduled financing, and legislative changes are necessary to avoid disruptive consequences for beneficiaries and taxpayers. If lawmakers take action sooner rather than later, more options and more time will be available to phase in changes so that the public has adequate time to prepare. Earlier action will also help elected officials minimize adverse impacts on vulnerable populations, including lower-income workers and people already dependent on program benefits.

Social Security and Medicare together accounted for 41 percent of Federal expenditures in fiscal year 2013. The general revenue transfers into SMI and interest payments made to the trust funds are resulting in mounting pressure on the unified budget, as will the eventual decline in the level of total reserves held by the Social Security and HI Trust Funds. Both programs will experience cost growth substantially in excess of GDP growth through the mid-2030s due to rapid population aging caused by the large baby-boom generation entering retirement and lower-birth-rate generations entering employment and, in the case of Medicare, to growth in expenditures per beneficiary exceeding growth in per capita GDP. In later years, projected costs expressed as a share of GDP trend up slowly for Medicare and are relatively flat for Social Security, reflecting slower growth in per-beneficiary health care costs and very gradual population aging caused by increasing longevity.

Social Security

Social Security’s Disability Insurance (DI) program satisfies neither the Trustees’ long-range test of close actuarial balance nor their short-range test of financial adequacy and faces the most immediate financing shortfall of any of the separate trust funds. DI Trust Fund reserves expressed as a percent of annual cost (the trust fund ratio) declined to 62 percent at the beginning of 2014, and the Trustees project trust fund depletion late in 2016, the same year projected in the last Trustees Report. DI costs have exceeded non-interest income since 2005 and the trust fund ratio has declined in every year since peaking in 2003. While legislation is needed to address all of Social Security’s financial imbalances, the need has become most urgent with respect to the program’s disability insurance component. Lawmakers need to act soon to avoid automatic reductions in payments to DI beneficiaries in late 2016.

To summarize overall Social Security finances, the Trustees have traditionally emphasized the financial status of the theoretical combined trust funds for DI and for Old Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI). The combined trust funds, and expenditures that can be financed in the context of the combined trust funds, are theoretical constructs because there is no legal authority to finance one program’s expenditures with the other program’s taxes or reserves. Social Security’s total expenditures have exceeded non-interest income of its combined trust funds since 2010 and the Trustees estimate that Social Security cost will exceed non-interest income throughout the 75-year projection period. The Trustees project that this annual cash-flow deficit will average about $77 billion between 2014 and 2018 before rising steeply as income growth slows to its sustainable trend rate after the economic recovery is complete while the number of beneficiaries continues to grow at a substantially faster rate than the number of covered workers. Redemption of trust fund asset reserves from the General Fund of the Treasury will provide the resources needed to offset Social Security’s annual aggregate cash-flow deficits. Since the cash-flow deficit will be less than interest earnings through 2019, reserves of the combined trust funds will continue to grow but not by enough to prevent the ratio of reserves to one year’s projected cost (the combined trust fund ratio) from declining. (This ratio peaked in 2008, declined through 2013, and is expected to decline steadily in future years.) After 2019, Treasury will redeem trust fund asset reserves to the extent that program cost exceeds tax revenue and interest earnings until depletion of combined trust fund reserves in 2033, the same year projected in last year’s Trustees Report. Thereafter, tax income would be sufficient to pay about three-quarters of scheduled benefits through the end of the projection period in 2088.

Under current projections, the annual cost of Social Security benefits expressed as a share of workers’ taxable earnings will grow rapidly from 11.3 percent in 2007, the last pre-recession year, to roughly 17.1 percent in 2037, and will then decline slightly before slowly increasing after 2050. Costs display a slightly different pattern when expressed as a share of GDP. Program costs equaled 4.1 percent of GDP in 2007, and the Trustees project these costs will increase to 6.2 percent of GDP for 2037, then decline to about 6.0 percent of GDP by 2050, and thereafter rise slowly reaching 6.1 percent by 2088.

The projected 75-year actuarial deficit for the combined Old-Age and Survivors Insurance and Disability Insurance (OASDI) Trust Funds is 2.88 percent of taxable payroll, up from 2.72 percent projected in last year’s report. This deficit amounts to 22 percent of program non-interest income or 17 percent of program cost. A 0.06 percentage point increase in the OASDI actuarial deficit would have been expected if nothing had changed other than the one-year extension of the valuation period to 2088. The effects of recently enacted legislation, updated demographic and economic data, and improved methodologies on net worsened the actuarial deficit by 0.10 percent of taxable payroll.

While the theoretical combined OASDI Trust Fund fails the long-range test of close actuarial balance, it does satisfy the test for short-range (10-year) financial adequacy. The Trustees project that the combined trust fund asset reserves at he beginning of each year will exceed that year’s projected cost through 2027.

Medicare

The Trustees project that the Medicare Hospital Insurance (HI) Trust Fund will be the next to face depletion after the DI Trust Fund. The projected date of HI Trust Fund depletion is 2030, four years later than projected in last year’s report. At that time dedicated revenues will be sufficient to pay 85 percent of HI costs. The Trustees project that the share of HI cost that can be financed with HI dedicated revenues will decline slowly to 75 percent in 2047, and will then stay about flat. HI non-interest income less HI expenditures is projected to be negative this year (as it has been in every year since 2008), and then turn positive for six years (2015-2020) before turning negative again in 2021.

The projected HI Trust Fund’s long-term actuarial imbalance is smaller than that of the combined Social Security trust funds under the assumptions employed in this report. The estimated 75-year actuarial deficit in the HI Trust Fund is 0.87 percent of taxable payroll, down from 1.11 percent projected in last year’s report. The HI fund again fails the test of short-range financial adequacy, as its trust fund ratio is already below 100 percent and is expected to decline continuously until reserve depletion in 2030. The fund also continues to fail the long-range test of close actuarial balance. The HI 75-year actuarial imbalance amounts to 23 percent of tax receipts or 19 percent of program cost.

The improvement in the outlook for HI long-term finances is principally due to lower-than-expected spending in 2013 for most HI service categories, which reduced the base period expenditure level about 1.5 percent and contributed to the Trustees’ decision to reduce projected near-term spending growth trends. Taken together, these changes lowered the actuarial deficit by about 0.29 percent of taxable payroll. Other changes resulted in an increase in the actuarial deficit of 0.05 percent.

Unlike in past years, the Medicare Part B cost projection featured in this report and summarized below (the “projected baseline”) assumes that reductions in Medicare payment rates for physician services called for by the Sustainable Growth Rate (SGR) formula will be overridden in the future as they have been from January 2003 through March 2015. Specifically, the projected baseline assumes that physician payment rates will remain at their current levels through the end of 2015, and will then rise at the same rate currently slated for the 10-year period ending March 31, 2015 (0.6 percent annually) through 2023. Relative to the current-law projection featured in the 2013 report, this change in the conceptual basis for the baseline projection raises the growth rate of projected Part B costs by about 0.3 percentage points on average over the next 75 years. While legislation overriding physician fee reductions has in recent years included provisions offsetting the 10-year cost of the overrides, the division of those offsets between Medicare savings and savings in other parts of the budget has varied. Because it is difficult to anticipate the extent to which policy makers will finance future overrides with other Medicare savings, the Medicare projected baseline does not include any offsets. This projection represents neither a legislative prediction nor a policy recommendation by the Trustees.

The Trustees project that Part B of Supplementary Medical Insurance (SMI), which pays doctors’ bills and other outpatient expenses, and Part D of SMI, which provides access to prescription drug coverage, will remain adequately financed into the indefinite future because current law automatically provides financing each year to meet the next year’s expected costs. However, the aging population and rising health care costs cause SMI projected costs to grow steadily from 1.9 percent of GDP in 2013 to approximately 3.3 percent of GDP in 2035, and then more slowly to 4.5 percent of GDP by 2088. General revenues will finance roughly three-quarters of these costs, and premiums paid by beneficiaries almost all of the remaining quarter. SMI also receives a small amount of financing from special payments by States and from fees on manufacturers and importers of brand-name prescription drugs.

The Trustees project that total Medicare costs (including both HI and SMI expenditures) will grow from approximately 3.5 percent of GDP in 2013 to 5.3 percent of GDP by 2035 and will increase gradually thereafter to about 6.9 percent of GDP by 2088.

In recent years U.S. national health expenditure (NHE) growth has slowed relative to historical patterns. There is uncertainty regarding the extent to which this slowdown in the rate of cost growth reflects one-time effects of the recent economic downturn and other non-persistent factors or structural changes in the health care sector that may produce additional cost savings in the years ahead. The Trustees are hopeful that U.S. health care practices are in the process of becoming more efficient as providers anticipate a future in which the rapid cost growth rates of previous decades, in both the public and private sectors, do not return. Indeed, the Trustees have revised down their projections for near-term Medicare expenditure growth in response to the recent favorable experience. In addition, the methodology for projecting Medicare finances had already assumed a substantial long-term reduction in per capita health expenditure growth rates relative to historical experience, to which the Affordable Care Act’s cost-reduction provisions would add substantial further savings. Notwithstanding recent favorable developments, both the projected baseline and current law projections indicate that Medicare still faces a substantial financial shortfall that will need to be addressed with further legislation. Such legislation should be enacted sooner rather than later to minimize the impact on beneficiaries, providers, and taxpayers.

Conclusion

Lawmakers should address the financial challenges facing Social Security and Medicare as soon as possible. Taking action sooner rather than later will leave more options and more time available to phase in changes so that the public has adequate time to prepare.

By the Trustees:

Jacob J. Lew,
Secretary of the Treasury,
and Managing Trustee
of the Trust Funds.


Sylvia M. Burwell,
Secretary of Health
and Human Services,
and Trustee.


Charles P. Blahous III,
Trustee.

Thomas E. Perez,
Secretary of Labor,
and Trustee.

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/trsum/

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: July 06, 2015 12:37AM

They're loyal consistent Republican voters. Stop trying to throw them off the cliff. If it wasnt for Social Security and Republicans had privatized the system the elderly would have starved to death during Bush's recession.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: Al Gore's 'lock box' ()
Date: July 06, 2015 12:50AM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> They're loyal consistent Republican voters. Stop
> trying to throw them off the cliff. If it wasnt
> for Social Security and Republicans had privatized
> the system the elderly would have starved to death
> during Bush's recession.


What is this problem that you seem to have with not understanding that there's no money?

We're going to have to do something other than pretending that the problem isn't there and demagoguing any attempts to fix it which is the extent of the Democrat's plan.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: Smoke ()
Date: July 06, 2015 12:57AM

Greece, the Alabama of Europe

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: 94NPj ()
Date: July 06, 2015 01:09AM


yea i voted no to usa gov debt to - they incurred it anyway


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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: exXMk ()
Date: July 06, 2015 01:47AM

Smoke Wrote:
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> Greece, the Alabama of Europe


Alabama doesn't have $500 billion in debt that it can't pay.

More like the Chicago of Europe. They're already borrowing billions to pay off money that they've borrowed that the can't pay. Or IL ($300 billion) or NJ ($280 billion) if you want a state that won't be able to pay.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: j4HL7 ()
Date: July 06, 2015 01:52AM

exXMk Wrote:
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> Smoke Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Greece, the Alabama of Europe
>
>
> Alabama doesn't have $500 billion in debt that it
> can't pay.
>
> More like the Chicago of Europe. They're already
> borrowing billions to pay off money that they've
> borrowed that the can't pay. Or IL ($300 billion)
> or NJ ($280 billion) if you want a state that
> won't be able to pay.

____________________________________________________
You are ignorant white trash so you don't know any better but the analogy basically means that Greece is a poor country that moochies off the EU. Similar to the red state of Alabama. All of the states you mention have the money and will continue to generate revenue. You are stupid.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: mJ6C7 ()
Date: July 06, 2015 02:51AM

j4HL7 Wrote:
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> exXMk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Smoke Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Greece, the Alabama of Europe
> >
> >
> > Alabama doesn't have $500 billion in debt that
> it
> > can't pay.
> >
> > More like the Chicago of Europe. They're
> already
> > borrowing billions to pay off money that
> they've
> > borrowed that the can't pay. Or IL ($300
> billion)
> > or NJ ($280 billion) if you want a state that
> > won't be able to pay.
>
> __________________________________________________
> __
> You are ignorant white trash so you don't know any
> better but the analogy basically means that Greece
> is a poor country that moochies off the EU.
> Similar to the red state of Alabama. All of the
> states you mention have the money and will
> continue to generate revenue. You are stupid.


And you're a dumbass who reads too much political bullshit and thinks that they know more than they do.

Alabama doesn't have a debt problem. Chicago and IL do. Per capita debt for AL is about half that of IL. Debt to GDP also is better by about 30%. GDP/GSP growth rate also is better. Doesn't matter how much revenue is generated when they spend more than they generate and owe huge amounts as far as future obligations.

Beyond that, there are more poor people in the Chicago metro area alone (~1.4 million) than the whole state of AL (~900K). Accounting for differences in population size, the poverty rate also still is higher.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: 6Vwph ()
Date: July 06, 2015 11:41AM

Smoke sees the world through "smoke colored" glasses. He's not worth debating b/c the result is always the same. Revert to First sentence.


Greece is going where no nation has gone before.
PR cannot pay back their debt.

We in the US are living in a dream world, but it soon may be a nightmare, based on some real sobering economic forecasting.

Prepare for tough times in the years ahead.

Sorry, minimim wage fixing won't fix this problem.

Peace.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: Yucky24. ()
Date: July 06, 2015 06:16PM

I don't really have a problem with the concept of a united Europe. After all, that's what Hitler wanted to achieve. But the problem with the EU is that the fucking race traitor libtards control the government sector with an iron fist all across the Western world. Until the far-right reclaims control of Western civilization, then libertarianism and nationalism are the best alternatives.

Here's hoping that the EU falls apart. It's pretty obvious that it's basically being used as a test bed for a global government where communists want to redistribute the wealth from White countries to non-Whites countries and flood White countries with mud people.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: 9hYXG ()
Date: July 06, 2015 06:19PM

The EU deserves to fall apart.
Greece ought to be kicked out, if they had any spine.

They ought to Let Greece solve their own problems ... but now it's a problem for all other countries in the EU.

Gobal government won't come without a fight and when it does come, that's a sign for worse things to come ... there are those who aren't simply The Sheeple.

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Re: Greece votes NO
Posted by: My wife always sez..... ()
Date: July 06, 2015 06:36PM

No Greek. Not tonight. But she has maxed out the credit cards and we just might have to default too.

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