See what we get when idiots vote for assholes?

Undocumented Immigrants Calls for Driver’s Licenses

With Democrat Terry McAuliffe weeks from the governor’s office, a priority rises from the undocumented and their supporters.

Full story:

http://kingstowne.patch.com/groups/around-town/p/undocumented-immigrants-calls-for-drivers-licenses_b3d3c71a-kingstowne

I don't think this is a bad idea but I have a different reason. "Law-abiding" undocumented works will have a driver's license and make them far easier to track. Stopped with no license? Bye-bye. Have a nice trip back to your country of origin.

Yes, this is "Papers please" but I'm OK with that.

How is this detrimental?

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They should be deported not coddled.

Free country, no such thing as illegal immigrants.

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Clearly you can't read, or perhaps comprehension is your problem. At no point did the article state that McAuliffe supports this idea. I don't know where he stands, and I certainly didn't find out from this article. Please stop lying in your thread titles and your posts.

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And how is a drivers license coddling?

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Makes things easier and accommodates them. Definition of coddling.

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I should have expected such an absurd attenpt at justification from someone who sounds like they also believe food and shelter is coddling.

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They're welcome to drivers licenses and all the food and shelter they want back in their countries of origin. Fuck'em. They're not my responsibility.

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> They're welcome to drivers licenses and all the
> food and shelter they want back in their countries
> of origin. Fuck'em. They're not my responsibility.


Exactly. If I go to Mexico or Canada or virtually any place else illegally are they going to give me a driver's license? Nope. Subsidized food and housing? Nope. Educate my kids for free? Nope. Shit, I couldn't even get a work visa to stay in Mexico. lol

I see no solution to this issue in sight. On the one hand if we don't accomodate illegals and give them licenses so they can get insurance and be documented, they will likely drive anyway and create more of a headache for the Gestappo. I would be okay with this if our borders were secure. But the borders are not secure. There is a constant influx of illegals and there is no end in sight. A total deportation is not likely from our government, so at this rate we are being overrun.

How long before the USA becomes the United State of Mexico?

Free country, no such thing as illegal immigrants.

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Cool, they can come and live at your house then.

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The Spooks and illegal spics take the word "free" literally.

Its not having insurance that is the problem. They crash into cars or hit a pedestrian, they just get out and run away leaving the victims to pay the costs. I aint celebrating that kind of diversity.

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I'm not sure that happens as much as people like to fantasize that it does.

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> I don't think this is a bad idea but I have a
> different reason. "Law-abiding" undocumented
> works will have a driver's license and make them
> far easier to track. Stopped with no license?
> Bye-bye. Have a nice trip back to your country of
> origin.
>
> Yes, this is "Papers please" but I'm OK with that.


Theyre illegals, that means they arent law abiding.

Drivers licenses are just the first step to make it easier for them to vote which liberals feel will help them keep power. Thats what its about, nothing more.

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> > costs. I aint celebrating that kind of
> diversity.
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> to fantasize that it does.


Actually it does. At least in terms a percentage basis. I'm too lazy to look for it at the moment but there's a good article from a few years back on the high percentage of illegals involved in injury accidents and drunk driving incidents (i.e., the vast majority), for example on the Eastern Shore which also correlates to the higher percentage during the agricultural season when more are present there. Several similar reviews in other areas.

You know the saying... Pics, links, stats, or GTFO.

>Drivers licenses are just the first step to make it easier for them to vote

Amusingly, VA doesn't let you vote just because you have a driver's license. Try walking in and just voting without first registering to vote.

>Theyre illegals, that means they arent law abiding.

Which also means you couldn't stop them from illegally voting anyway.

I like letting them sign up for driver's licenses because it is a backdoor to an illegal immigrant tracking system. I don't foresee letting these guest workers vote since other guest workers from other countries cannot vote either -- they are NOT citizens. But we need a way to keep track of them, for tax purposes if nothing else. Why do we let these people take jobs and funnel the money back into their country of origin without paying into the society that is letting them hold a job? No, we can't deport them all. Buy a clue. We live in a modern world with modern transportation. This isn't the Middle Ages where you can build a wall and keep out the Mongol hordes.

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You know the saying... suck it.

As I said, you can also look at some of the same sorts of reviews for AZ, Southern CA, etc., showing the same relatively high incidence.


Harvest of death on the Eastern Shore (Illegal Alien Drunk Drivers)
Virginian Pilot Online ^ | October 13, 2005 | BILL BURKE
Posted on 10/13/2005 12:44:06 AM by Travis McGee

By BILL BURKE, The Virginian-Pilot © October 10, 2005

The Ford Escort was racing north on rural Seaside Road, its occupants headed home from a wedding, when it ran a stop sign at 55 mph.

The driver of a Ford F-150 traveling east through the intersection never saw the Escort, police said.

The T-bone crash killed the driver of the Escort, Rene Leyva-Perez, and 4-year-old Daniel Salazar, who was in the back seat. Daniel’s pregnant mother, Marina Salazar, and the driver of the pickup were injured.

When police arrived, they discovered that Leyva-Perez had no auto insurance or driver’s license – only a laminated ID card issued by the tomato-packing plant where he worked – and that the car was registered to a woman in Chesapeake and had Michigan plates.

In the Escort’s wreckage, they found empty cans of Modelo Especial – acclaimed in Mexico as “the elite of beers.”

That violent collision nine days ago, on an unlit stretch of Accomack County blacktop, is the latest example of a deadly trend:

Since 2002, more than 90 people have been injured and 18 killed on the Eastern Shore in accidents involving Hispanic workers driving rogue vehicles.

The fatalities represent about one-fourth of the 71 highway deaths on the Eastern Shore in that period, even though the year-round Hispanic population makes up only 5 percent of the region’s 51,000 residents. Those numbers swell during tomato-picking season, from July through early November, when most of the fatalities occurred.

Accidents like the one on Oct. 1 have helped make the 77-mile stretch of U.S. 13 from the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel to the Maryland state line one of the most treacherous highways in Virginia. In 2003, the fatality rate – deaths per miles driven – on that span of U.S. 13 was more than four times the rates on Interstates 64, 81 and 95 in Virginia.

In all but three of the fatal accidents in which Hispanics were at the wheel, the drivers had no insurance. In most cases, the vehicles had no inspection stickers, the drivers carried no license and alcohol was a factor. The vast majority of the victims in the fatalities were Hispanic.

A review of State Police auto accident reports for 2002 through 2004 on the Eastern Shore also revealed that of the 179 accidents involving Hispanic laborers:

Three-fourths of the drivers had no auto insurance – more than four times the national rate for uninsured motorists.

Nearly all of the vehicles driven by migrants and other laborers were registered to other drivers.

Ninety-three percent of the vehicles had out-of-state tags – most of them from Tennessee.

The number of injuries per accident was about 50 percent higher than the statewide average.

The troopers patrolling U.S. 13, a busy artery connecting Hampton Roads to the populous Northeast, are frustrated by the pattern of lawlessness and mayhem.

Only 10 troopers are assigned to the highways that crisscross the Eastern Shore’s 263 square miles – and on some shifts there is only one trooper on duty for each of the Shore’s two counties. First Sgt. J.P. Koushel, who oversees the Shore’s troopers, said his unit is “tremendously understaffed” and that he has requested additional manpower.

“Right now we’re just running from call to call,” Koushel said. “We can’t even be pro active anymore.”

Koushel said most of the vehicles involved in accidents that kill and injure fail to meet Virginia highway safety standards. He called it “a mockery” of the state’s vehicle registration law.

Tennessee plates

The state of Tennessee appears to be an enabler for many of the illegal drivers.

Up and down the Eastern Shore, in the work camps and housing complexes where migrants and year-round laborers live, Tennessee plates abound. Eastern Shore law enforcers suspect there is a flourishing black market for Tennessee tags.

There has been speculation of a mail-order operation, but postmasters say they cannot discuss the nature of their mail. Officials for the State Police Bureau of Criminal Investigation would not say if they are looking into the Tennessee tag issue.

Tennessee’s titling and registration regulations are among the most lax in the nation. Several migrants interviewed recently said they got Tennessee tags because they were turned down by Virginia’s Department of Motor Vehicles.

Tennessee does not require identification or proof of insurance when a vehicle is titled and plates are issued, as long as the motorist pays cash. Most states require identification or proof of insurance; Virginia requires both.

Tennessee state Sen. Bill Ketron said his state’s legislature has failed to close the loophole because of pressure from the powerful auto insurance industry, which he says “wants to be able to cherry-pick who they sell to,” rather than being forced to insure high-risk drivers. He plans to introduce a bill during the next legislative session, which begins in January, that would toughen titling and registration requirements.

The problem also has come to the attention of Virginia’s Migrant and Seasonal Farm Workers Advisory Board. The Tennessee license plate matter is “a political hot potato,” said Kenneth E. Annis of Exmore, chairman of the 15-member board.

Annis promised that it will be addressed at the board’s next meeting. The board, which meets four times a year, can recommend changes to the governor or the General Assembly.

Other regions with significant Hispanic populations, such as Rockingham County in Virginia’s Shenandoah Valley and the Greensboro/Winston-Salem area of North Carolina, have not seen significant numbers of cars with Tennessee tags, say law enforcement officials there.

But on the Eastern Shore, “Somebody is making it very easy for these drivers to get Tennessee tags,” Annis said. “It’s all very fishy.”

And deadly. In the 13 fatal accidents since 2002 involving Hispanic workers, six vehicles bore Tennessee tags.

Many of the Tennessee plates on the Shore were issued in Union County, in the eastern part of the state near the Virginia border – about a nine-hour drive from the Shore.

Jim Houston, county clerk for Union County, said Tennessee officials are aware of the problem. Houston said his office sees “quite a few” Hispanics registering vehicles, “and I think the number’s increasing.”

When the topic of migrants titling vehicles came up at a recent meeting of Tennessee clerks, Houston said, “One of the other clerks said, 'Lord, we’re overrun with them.’”

Rockhound Wrote:
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> I see no solution to this issue in sight. On the
> one hand if we don't accomodate illegals and give
> them licenses so they can get insurance and be
> documented, they will likely drive anyway and
> create more of a headache for the Gestappo. I
> would be okay with this if our borders were
> secure. But the borders are not secure. There is a
> constant influx of illegals and there is no end in
> sight. A total deportation is not likely from our
> government, so at this rate we are being overrun.
>
> How long before the USA becomes the United State
> of Mexico?


A large portion of this country is Mexico, it was stolen from them ages ago and never returned.

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> > I don't think this is a bad idea but I have a
> > different reason. "Law-abiding" undocumented
> > works will have a driver's license and make
> them
> > far easier to track. Stopped with no license?
> > Bye-bye. Have a nice trip back to your country
> of
> > origin.
> >
> > Yes, this is "Papers please" but I'm OK with
> that.
>
>
> Theyre illegals, that means they arent law
> abiding.
>
> Drivers licenses are just the first step to make
> it easier for them to vote which liberals feel
> will help them keep power. Thats what its about,
> nothing more.

Not that it would work because Republicans would just get voted thrown out so they win regardless.

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> the
> > one hand if we don't accomodate illegals and
> give
> > them licenses so they can get insurance and be
> > documented, they will likely drive anyway and
> > create more of a headache for the Gestappo. I
> > would be okay with this if our borders were
> > secure. But the borders are not secure. There is
> a
> > constant influx of illegals and there is no end
> in
> > sight. A total deportation is not likely from
> our
> > government, so at this rate we are being
> overrun.
> >
> > How long before the USA becomes the United
> State
> > of Mexico?
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> A large portion of this country is Mexico, it was
> stolen from them ages ago and never returned.


Woah, comments like that scream betrayal/double agents.

I'm all for having an objective debate but you're one-sided.

The US has taken (or as you'd like to say, stolen) this land.

If all else is false, one thing is true: All is fair in love and war.

Dude's like a fucking walking version of Think Progress.

lol

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> > the
> > > one hand if we don't accomodate illegals and
> > give
> > > them licenses so they can get insurance and
> be
> > > documented, they will likely drive anyway and
> > > create more of a headache for the Gestappo. I
> > > would be okay with this if our borders were
> > > secure. But the borders are not secure. There
> is
> > a
> > > constant influx of illegals and there is no
> end
> > in
> > > sight. A total deportation is not likely from
> > our
> > > government, so at this rate we are being
> > overrun.
> > >
> > > How long before the USA becomes the United
> > State
> > > of Mexico?
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> > A large portion of this country is Mexico, it
> was
> > stolen from them ages ago and never returned.
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> Woah, comments like that scream betrayal/double
> agents.
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> I'm all for having an objective debate but you're
> one-sided.
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> The US has taken (or as you'd like to say, stolen)
> this land.
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> fair in love and war.


I doubt you feel that way about 9/11.

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You don't want to know what I think about 9/11.


This is the reason I don't involve myself in politics, it's people like you who sidetrack and sideline that make debating useless.

9/11 was a suckerpunch terrorist attack by who knows (terrorists/psyop?). We are talking about illegal immigration.

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> politics, it's people like you who sidetrack and
> sideline that make debating useless.
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> 9/11 was a suckerpunch terrorist attack by who
> knows (terrorists/psyop?). We are talking about
> illegal immigration.

You just made an attempt to justify the theft of Mexican land via an intimidation conflict.

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> Amusingly, VA doesn't let you vote just because
> you have a driver's license. Try walking in and
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A drivers license would open the door to slipping registrations through. The dirty secret is its really not that hard to commit voting fraud. Until this year Fairfax County didnt even require you to show up to prove identity on provisional votes.


> I like letting them sign up for driver's licenses
> because it is a backdoor to an illegal immigrant
> tracking system. I don't foresee letting these
> guest workers vote since other guest workers from
> other countries cannot vote either -- they are NOT
> citizens. But we need a way to keep track of
> them, for tax purposes if nothing else. Why do we
> let these people take jobs and funnel the money
> back into their country of origin without paying
> into the society that is letting them hold a job?
> No, we can't deport them all. Buy a clue. We
> live in a modern world with modern transportation.
> This isn't the Middle Ages where you can build a
> wall and keep out the Mongol hordes.

It really wont be any sort of tracking method at all. Locals like FCPD refuse to even cooperate with ICE which their Chief has publicly stated they wont inform them of illegals who are arrested.

We really could secure the boarder with internal enforcement. The problem is its no secret that if you get in youre home free so everyone keeps trying. If they had to live in fear of being caught its not such a glamorous idea.

Ive been a strong proponent of worker visas. Figure out what you need for restaurants ect, run some background checks and issue the visas for as many as you need. They get the labor and we know whose coming in. Its a win win.

The biggest issue with giving a license to an illegal is it cheapens citizenship. Illegals in some ways have it better in the sense they dont pay taxes yet get all the benefits. Its costs the country billions if not trillions at this point. Schools have to pay for the kids with no money coming to them which means more staff, it could also mean free or reduced lunch, even more staff for ESL classes, and then translators for the parents. DC spent millions on translators last year, imagine what boarder states are paying.

The more benefits you give to illegals the less incentive there is for anyone to ever actually wait and do it the right way compounding the problem. It never stops here either. First it was school, now its a license, next it will be voting making being a citizen absolutely worthless. No country on earth allows this or just lets illegals come in and changes their country to accommodate them. The amount of money being spent on translators/having things in multiple languages alone in the country could fund a city if not a state.

Nothing in the article indicated McAuliffe was going to do this. However this issue is one of my pet peaves.

It used to be that driving without a license for anyone over 18 was an express pass to jail. Putting people in jail though meant having to make sure they were personally present for the trial and providing them with attorneys and on appeal with jury trials. This put a demand on the resources of the court system and also on the jails. It was found much simpler to treat driving without a license as just another traffic offense, trying people in abstentia and hitting them with fines they would never pay, and if they do show up drop the driving without a license charge and convict on the underlying charge.

The result of this folly is that we have unofficially created a two tiered system, one where drivers licenses are required for normally law abiding citizens and one where they can be dispensed with for the criminal element.

THIS MAKES NO SENSE. It encourages precisely the kind of behavior that the drivers licensing system was designed to prevent. If you don't have a driver's license as an adult, it likely means either that you never did the appropriate training and learning to obtain the privilege to drive, that you seriously fucked up driving in the past, or possibly both. These people have no business being on the highway, and for them the law ought to treat driving without a license as THE MOST SERIOUS DRIVING OFFENSE POSSIBLE.

And yes I do lump in those who are here illegally driving. For many their home country driver's license is good for up to a year in the U.S., so none of this "it's not fair to immigrants" crap.

Now the flip side of this is that we need to stop tying driver's licenses to matters that have little if anything to do with driving. But that's a rant for another time.

So is our new Governor still going to try to enact Colorado style gun laws?

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Shut up, fat boy
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Go Terry Go! Fuck them harder than they have ever been fucked before. Fuck them harder than that pervert Cuccinelli would have waged invasive ultra sound mandatory fuck sessions statewide.

If there is something they don't like Terry, fuck em with it. Don't think twice about it.

Secure the state for generations Terry, its a war out there. These are deciding terms in office. Retract their purges. Increase voting machines. Dont fund shit for roads in shit hole redneck parts. Let them fucking rott.

No mercy McAuliffe. The Republicans only understand one language, brute force. They don't respond to moderation, bipartisanship or pragmatic interaction. Come out of the gates and impose your will.

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It is coming upon us pretty quick. Just 6 months prior to the end of Obama's presidency, he'll really open the flood gates and millions more will be importing themselves to America.

Press #1 for English, mutha-fuker.

When I come to this country they governments give me green card and driver licence card. Now both cards are expire. I like to have new both cards but the driving card would be nice.
Thank you my friendly gringos for givings us your country we loves our new country.

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> No mercy McAuliffe. The Republicans only
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> respond to moderation, bipartisanship or pragmatic
> interaction. Come out of the gates and impose your
> will.


Take your meds Gerry. 3 rambling nonsensical posts in 10 minutes. Your trolling is lamer than usual.

 
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> interaction. Come out of the gates and impose your
> will.


Terry's not fucking anybody. He's an impotent bitch.

About all that he'll do is to make some (more) money for his rich, politically connected friends.