MSNBC host Ed Schultz, who has repeatedly criticized opponents for owning private jets, owns multiple private jets and conceals his flight data from the public.

Schultz owns Ed Schultz Broadcasting, LLC and has owned at least three Cessnas and one Piper. Schultz has owned two Cessna 560s, which typically sell for more than $5 million per plane. (He sold one plane—tail number N421LT — to Lakin Tire West Incorporated in 2011). Schultz also owns one Cessna 208B which is worth over $1.5 million. He also owns a Piper Cheyenne turboprop, estimated at more than $2 million.

Those hefty price tags don’t include the salaries of the two pilots, the fuel, or the maintenance costs. It costs more than $1,295 per hour to operate a Cessna 560, making it one of the more expensive private jets.

Nor do we know where one of Schulz’s planes — his Cessna 560, tail number N469ES — actually goes. Schulz has been given special permission not to reveal his flight routes.



...In any event, at the same time that Schultz has flown around on his private plane, both Schulz and his guests have criticized private plane use over the years.

“If you look at the agenda that the Democrats have got on the table, it is, you know, they’re – all of these issues are polling favorably. This is what the American people want,” Schultz told Larry King in 2007 “They want stem cell research. They want federal funding for it. They want minimum wage. They want border protection. You know, they want ethics reform – no more corporate jets, no more golf trips.”

The Ed Show guests shared Schultz’s antipathy.

“Why should a guy that is a billionaire get a tax break for his private new jet? Why can he get a tax break because he can hide his money in the Cayman Islands”? asked United Steelworkers rep Leo Gerard on “The Ed Show” on March 1, 2013.

On September 20, 2011 Schultz criticized Fox News hosts like Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity, saying, “It’s really easy to go buy any house you want, depending on how you want to live, eat in the finest restaurants and fly on private jets.”

Only one of those is a jet.

While I don't agree with Shultz' hypocrisy his "fleet" ownership pales in comparison to the proper fleets of Gulfstream G6s belonging to corporations. You're also taking his argument out of context. He often focuses on the subject because the corporations that own these fleets are the same corporations that claim they must lay off workers and whatnot whilst purchasing these fleets and increasing their pay and bonuses.

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> Only one of those is a jet.


"Schultz has owned two Cessna 560s, which typically sell for more than $5 million per plane. (He sold one plane—tail number N421LT — to Lakin Tire West Incorporated in 2011)."

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> While I don't agree with Shultz' hypocrisy his
> "fleet" ownership pales in comparison to the
> proper fleets of Gulfstream G6s belonging to
> corporations. You're also taking his argument out
> of context. He often focuses on the subject
> because the corporations that own these fleets are
> the same corporations that claim they must lay off
> workers and whatnot whilst purchasing these fleets
> and increasing their pay and bonuses.


Nothing was taken out of context. Read his quotes above. None of which involve anything along the lines of what you just invented as a justification. He's a hypocrite.

But if you like your hypocrites, you can keep your hypocrites. Period.

And, as has been pointed out by Dems representing districts where such manufacturers and facilities are located, you ignore that these represent jobs as well.

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> > While I don't agree with Shultz' hypocrisy his
> > "fleet" ownership pales in comparison to the
> > proper fleets of Gulfstream G6s belonging to
> > corporations. You're also taking his argument
> out
> > of context. He often focuses on the subject
> > because the corporations that own these fleets
> are
> > the same corporations that claim they must lay
> off
> > workers and whatnot whilst purchasing these
> fleets
> > and increasing their pay and bonuses.
>
>
> Nothing was taken out of context. Read his quotes
> above. None of which involve anything along the
> lines of what you just invented as a
> justification. He's a hypocrite.
>
> But if you like your hypocrites, you can keep your
> hypocrites. Period.
>
> And, as has been pointed out by Dems representing
> districts where such manufacturers and facilities
> are located, you ignore that these represent jobs
> as well.


I watch his show, among many other news shows, and have heard him on the subject. I have ignored nothing, I am well aware that Dem' districts are where some of these manufacturers reside and that they represent jobs. This post isn't about party members and their tactics of winning elections.

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> I watch his show...


Shocker. lol

And you were aware of him having jets/planes as well right? I mean surely when he's gone off on one of his spittle-laced rants about corporate jets he must have mentioned his own. Right? Right?

[cue crickets sfx]

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> >
> > I watch his show...
>
>
> Shocker. lol
>
> And you were aware of him having jets/planes as
> well right? I mean surely when he's gone off on
> one of his spittle-laced rants about corporate
> jets he must have mentioned his own. Right?
> Right?
>
> [cue crickets sfx]


He may have, I don't remember. I assumed he owned a jet since he owns a broadcasting company. That being said, Schultz isn't laying off workers while increasing his pay and, if he receives them, bonuses. Like I said, I don't condone his hypocrisy however the comparisons are not the same.

People who fly on private planes have the same right to not be tracked in public as everyone else.

How would you feel if every time you took a flight, a public web site was updated with your name and real-time location of your plane? How about if it was in a car? Same thing.

You don't have any right to track people's movements. The fact that you're jealous that someone else can afford a more luxurious ride does not matter.

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> People who fly on private planes have the same
> right to not be tracked in public as everyone
> else.
>
> How would you feel if every time you took a
> flight, a public web site was updated with your
> name and real-time location of your plane? How
> about if it was in a car? Same thing.
>
> You don't have any right to track people's
> movements. The fact that you're jealous that
> someone else can afford a more luxurious ride does
> not matter.


A. I didn't know there was a site you could do that. B. Jealousy has nothing to do with any of this.

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> >
> > >
> > > I watch his show...
> >
> >
> > Shocker. lol
> >
> > And you were aware of him having jets/planes as
> > well right? I mean surely when he's gone off
> on
> > one of his spittle-laced rants about corporate
> > jets he must have mentioned his own. Right?
> > Right?
> >
> > [cue crickets sfx]
>
>
> He may have, I don't remember. I assumed he owned
> a jet since he owns a broadcasting company.


Mmmhmmm. I'm sure that he did. /:rolleyes lol

He doesn't own a 'broadcast company,' he has what appears to be a sole-proprietor LLC for tax and liability purposes.


> That being said, Schultz isn't laying off workers while
> increasing his pay and, if he receives them,
> bonuses. Like I said, I don't condone his
> hypocrisy however the comparisons are not the
> same.


You have no clue what Schultz does or doesn't do. Just like you had no clue about his planes or that the unions were pushing undisclosed pay-for-play money to him.

Pititful attempt at denial.

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> > >
> > > >
> > > > I watch his show...
> > >
> > >
> > > Shocker. lol
> > >
> > > And you were aware of him having jets/planes
> as
> > > well right? I mean surely when he's gone off
> > on
> > > one of his spittle-laced rants about
> corporate
> > > jets he must have mentioned his own. Right?
> > > Right?
> > >
> > > [cue crickets sfx]
> >
> >
> > He may have, I don't remember. I assumed he
> owned
> > a jet since he owns a broadcasting company.
>
>
> Mmmhmmm. I'm sure that he did. /:rolleyes lol
>
> He doesn't own a 'broadcast company,' he has what
> appears to be a sole-proprietor LLC for tax and
> liability purposes.
>
>
> > That being said, Schultz isn't laying off
> workers while
> > increasing his pay and, if he receives them,
> > bonuses. Like I said, I don't condone his
> > hypocrisy however the comparisons are not the
> > same.
>
>
> You have no clue what Schultz does or doesn't do.
> Just like you had no clue about his planes or that
> the unions were pushing undisclosed pay-for-play
> money to him.
>
> Pititful attempt at denial.


Apparently you do. You apparently have a clandestine connection within Shultz' psyche and know exactly why he does what he does. Again, I assumed he had a plane, most people with that kind of money do. As far as the unions are concerned, he's been a speaker and advocates for them and apparently they donate or pay for it. I don't want to hear any bitching about it until I hear someone bitching about Koch Industries bribing politicians. They all bloody well do it so call them out equally instead of unleashing these pitiful attempts at drawing up some sort of Bolshevik conspiracy.

It's a jet.
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> Apparently you do. You apparently have a
> clandestine connection within Shultz' psyche and
> know exactly why he does what he does.

Nope, never claimed to. It's you who's making unsubstantiated claims regarding his motives and labor practices. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of him having ownership of a jet while loudly complaining publicly about others who do. No insight into his psyche required to view FAA registration records.


> As far as the unions are concerned,
> he's been a speaker and advocates for them and
> apparently they donate or pay for it.


On an undisclosed basis by him. Which, beyond just being sleazy, likely would be in violation of FTC requirements for disclosure of funded endorsements.


> I don't
> want to hear any bitching about it until I hear
> someone bitching about Koch Industries bribing
> politicians. They all bloody well do it so call
> them out equally instead of unleashing these
> pitiful attempts at drawing up some sort of
> Bolshevik conspiracy.

Don't care who it is. Show me that Hannity or O'Riley are accepting money from them and/or that they're hiding their ownership of jets and I'll say the same. Schultz is exactly the same clown profiting on political division but with a blue light turned on. That you appear to take his bullshit seriously... well, jokes on you I guess.

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> > Apparently you do. You apparently have a
> > clandestine connection within Shultz' psyche
> and
> > know exactly why he does what he does.
>
> Nope, never claimed to. It's you who's making
> unsubstantiated claims regarding his motives and
> labor practices. I'm just pointing out the
> hypocrisy of him having ownership of a jet while
> loudly complaining publicly about others who do.
> No insight into his psyche required to view FAA
> registration records.
>
>
> > As far as the unions are concerned,
> > he's been a speaker and advocates for them and
> > apparently they donate or pay for it.
>
>
> On an undisclosed basis by him. Which, beyond
> just being sleazy, likely would be in violation of
> FTC requirements for disclosure of funded
> endorsements.
>
>
> > I don't
> > want to hear any bitching about it until I hear
> > someone bitching about Koch Industries bribing
> > politicians. They all bloody well do it so
> call
> > them out equally instead of unleashing these
> > pitiful attempts at drawing up some sort of
> > Bolshevik conspiracy.
>
> Don't care who it is. Show me that Hannity or
> O'Riley are accepting money from them and/or that
> they're hiding their ownership of jets and I'll
> say the same. Schultz is exactly the same clown
> profiting on political division but with a blue
> light turned on. That you appear to take his
> bullshit seriously... well, jokes on you I guess.


So I only get to choose from those two? You also seem to be adopting my aforementioned stance on the two sides, i.e. they are one in the same and aren't truly seeking to change the system. I occasionally watch his show, that doesn't mean I agree with everything he says.

People are used to democrats do as I say not as I do. Michelle Obama lectures everyone to eat what she tells them to eat while her husband chows down on cheeseburgers and fries and she eats pork ribs.

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> People are used to democrats do as I say not as I
> do. Michelle Obama lectures everyone to eat what
> she tells them to eat while her husband chows down
> on cheeseburgers and fries and she eats pork ribs.


I detect a hint of stereotyping in your post. She's not telling anyone to do anything, she's recommending people eat some vegetables in between their meals of Baconators and deep fried butter. It's perfect fine to eat a cheeseburger or pork ribs but not for every meal because that's detrimental to your health. You wouldn't support scotch as an individuals primary fluid intake, would you?

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> So I only get to choose from those two? You also
> seem to be adopting my aforementioned stance on
> the two sides, i.e. they are one in the same and
> aren't truly seeking to change the system. I
> occasionally watch his show, that doesn't mean I
> agree with everything he says.


Yeah, that's why you're here defending his obvious hypocrisy and coming up with fanciful tales of how well he treats his employees.

lmao

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> >
> > So I only get to choose from those two? You
> also
> > seem to be adopting my aforementioned stance on
> > the two sides, i.e. they are one in the same
> and
> > aren't truly seeking to change the system. I
> > occasionally watch his show, that doesn't mean
> I
> > agree with everything he says.
>
>
> Yeah, that's why you're here defending his obvious
> hypocrisy and coming up with fanciful tales of how
> well he treats his employees.
>
> lmao


I have no idea how he treats his employees but I'm not hearing about CEO salary increases, bonuses and G6s while workers are being laid off due to "unfortunate circumstances". Of course you would just put that off as the liberal media conspiracy. We've already agree that they're one and the same.

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> >
> > So I only get to choose from those two? You
> also
> > seem to be adopting my aforementioned stance on
> > the two sides, i.e. they are one in the same
> and
> > aren't truly seeking to change the system. I
> > occasionally watch his show, that doesn't mean
> I
> > agree with everything he says.
>
>
> Yeah, that's why you're here defending his obvious
> hypocrisy and coming up with fanciful tales of how
> well he treats his employees.
>
> lmao


When ColumnNo.4 first popped up a few days ago, he denied being a lib but just kept repeating the same shit even after it was proven wrong, the classic Gerry/libtard tatic. He's a trolling fuckstick who is quickly rising up the list of hated sucktarts here. He might be a fag as he's very emotional as well.

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> I have no idea how he treats his employees but I'm
> not hearing about CEO salary increases, bonuses
> and G6s while workers are being laid off due to
> "unfortunate circumstances". Of course you would
> just put that off as the liberal media conspiracy.
> We've already agree that they're one and the
> same.


Really?


> That being said, Schultz isn't laying off workers
> while increasing his pay and, if he receives them, bonuses.

lol

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> When ColumnNo.4 first popped up a few days ago, he
> denied being a lib but just kept repeating the
> same shit even after it was proven wrong, the
> classic Gerry/libtard tatic. He's a trolling
> fuckstick who is quickly rising up the list of
> hated sucktarts here. He might be a fag as he's
> very emotional as well.


Exactly right. And, as typical, when called on it he falls back to claiming to be independent.

He can try to hide the pitcher of Kool Aid, but his lips are stained blue. lol

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> I detect a hint of stereotyping in your post.
> She's not telling anyone to do anything, she's
> recommending people eat some vegetables in between
> their meals of Baconators and deep fried butter.
> It's perfect fine to eat a cheeseburger or pork
> ribs but not for every meal because that's
> detrimental to your health. You wouldn't support
> scotch as an individuals primary fluid intake,
> would you?

She never stops telling people what to eat.
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> > I have no idea how he treats his employees but
> I'm
> > not hearing about CEO salary increases, bonuses
> > and G6s while workers are being laid off due to
> > "unfortunate circumstances". Of course you
> would
> > just put that off as the liberal media
> conspiracy.
> > We've already agree that they're one and the
> > same.
>
>
> Really?
>
>
> > That being said, Schultz isn't laying off
> workers
> > while increasing his pay and, if he receives
> them, bonuses.
>
> lol


Judging from your previous posts, yes. You, yourself said that the only difference between Shultz and the others is he has blue light on instead of a red one.

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> > When ColumnNo.4 first popped up a few days ago,
> he
> > denied being a lib but just kept repeating the
> > same shit even after it was proven wrong, the
> > classic Gerry/libtard tatic. He's a trolling
> > fuckstick who is quickly rising up the list of
> > hated sucktarts here. He might be a fag as
> he's
> > very emotional as well.
>
>
> Exactly right. And, as typical, when called on it
> he falls back to claiming to be independent.
>
> He can try to hide the pitcher of Kool Aid, but
> his lips are stained blue. lol

Where did I claim to be an independent?

And the peasant workers themselves will attack those trumpeting workers rights for us.

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> And the peasant workers themselves will attack
> those trumpeting workers rights for us.


I'm not sure what you're implying but those "trumpeting" workers rights aren't "trumpeting" a solution to the root of the problem, only to the symptoms.

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> > > I have no idea how he treats his employees
> but
> > I'm
> > > not hearing about CEO salary increases,
> bonuses
> > > and G6s while workers are being laid off due
> to
> > > "unfortunate circumstances". Of course you
> > would
> > > just put that off as the liberal media
> > conspiracy.
> > > We've already agree that they're one and the
> > > same.
> >
> >
> > Really?
> >
> >
> > > That being said, Schultz isn't laying off
> > workers
> > > while increasing his pay and, if he receives
> > them, bonuses.
> >
> > lol
>
>
> Judging from your previous posts, yes. You,
> yourself said that the only difference between
> Shultz and the others is he has blue light on
> instead of a red one.


Yeah? And? I wasn't the one trying to make excuses for Schultz's hypocrisy.

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> > And the peasant workers themselves will attack
> > those trumpeting workers rights for us.
>
>
> I'm not sure what you're implying but those
> "trumpeting" workers rights aren't "trumpeting" a
> solution to the root of the problem, only to the
> symptoms.


You have no idea what Unions have done for this country. You'd be shoveling shit for 50 cents in a coal mine right now if it weren't for Unions. Its time you people showed some appreciation.

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> > > -----
> > > >
> > > > I have no idea how he treats his employees
> > but
> > > I'm
> > > > not hearing about CEO salary increases,
> > bonuses
> > > > and G6s while workers are being laid off
> due
> > to
> > > > "unfortunate circumstances". Of course you
> > > would
> > > > just put that off as the liberal media
> > > conspiracy.
> > > > We've already agree that they're one and
> the
> > > > same.
> > >
> > >
> > > Really?
> > >
> > >
> > > > That being said, Schultz isn't laying off
> > > workers
> > > > while increasing his pay and, if he
> receives
> > > them, bonuses.
> > >
> > > lol
> >
> >
> > Judging from your previous posts, yes. You,
> > yourself said that the only difference between
> > Shultz and the others is he has blue light on
> > instead of a red one.
>
>
> Yeah? And? I wasn't the one trying to make
> excuses for Schultz's hypocrisy.

No one was making excuses. What did was point out that the corporate fleet and his fleet, if you can call it that, are not comparable. Just like eating a burger once or twice a week is not comparable to eating one for every meal.

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> > > And the peasant workers themselves will
> attack
> > > those trumpeting workers rights for us.
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure what you're implying but those
> > "trumpeting" workers rights aren't "trumpeting"
> a
> > solution to the root of the problem, only to
> the
> > symptoms.
>
>
> You have no idea what Unions have done for this
> country. You'd be shoveling shit for 50 cents in
> a coal mine right now if it weren't for Unions.
> Its time you people showed some appreciation.


I know exactly what unions have done for this country. Unions gave us a minimum, although unadhered to, minimum wage, the eight hour, unadhered to, work day and the weekend, again unadhered to. However we're not talking about unions, we're talking about media individuals.

Although these aren't really corporate jets. I highly doubt the OPS accuracy. Whether they are actually "OWNED" or not. Odd's are that they are leased, at the most financed. Shit they may even be chartered. Most of the bullshit these Republicans post is just that, bullshit when you take a look.

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> You wouldn't support
> scotch as an individuals primary fluid intake,
> would you?

Actually, I would.
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> Actually, I would.


Good point. I don't think I've ever seen Ron without a filled-to-the-brim glass of scotch.

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Most of the bullshit these
> Republicans post is just that, bullshit when you
> take a look.

Sounds like yours Corky

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> Although these aren't really corporate jets. I
> highly doubt the OPS accuracy. Whether they are
> actually "OWNED" or not. Odd's are that they are
> leased, at the most financed. Shit they may even
> be chartered. Most of the bullshit these
> Republicans post is just that, bullshit when you
> take a look.


Actually they are. They are registered to Schultz's LLC, which is a corporation. But since his LLC is basically a personal corp., then you can 'pierce the corporate veil' and consider them personal aircraft for all practical purposes if you think that makes it look any better.

They would not be in its name if chartered. They may be if leased, but that's effectively the same basis under which most all corporate aircraft are operated.

You can confirm the fact of the registration directly on the FAA's site here:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N469ES

Also note that it is not fractionally owned, i.e., it's not a 'time share' type of arrangement.

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> No one was making excuses. What did was point out
> that the corporate fleet and his fleet, if you can
> call it that, are not comparable. Just like
> eating a burger once or twice a week is not
> comparable to eating one for every meal.


They absolutely are directly comparable. In fact worse in that most corporations, especially LLCs don't have any aircraft at all.

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> > No one was making excuses. What did was point
> out
> > that the corporate fleet and his fleet, if you
> can
> > call it that, are not comparable. Just like
> > eating a burger once or twice a week is not
> > comparable to eating one for every meal.
>
>
> They absolutely are directly comparable. In fact
> worse in that most corporations, especially LLCs
> don't have any aircraft at all.


His argument, as well as the one I've been making here, are not singularly about the aircraft.

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> > > No one was making excuses. What did was
> point
> > out
> > > that the corporate fleet and his fleet, if
> you
> > can
> > > call it that, are not comparable. Just like
> > > eating a burger once or twice a week is not
> > > comparable to eating one for every meal.
> >
> >
> > They absolutely are directly comparable. In
> fact
> > worse in that most corporations, especially
> LLCs
> > don't have any aircraft at all.
>
>
> His argument, as well as the one I've been making
> here, are not singularly about the aircraft.


Doesn't need to be. Being a hypocrite about that alone, is blatant hypocrisy.

BTW, he also owns a construction company and a high-priced $3,500/3-days fly-in fishing lodge in Canada for rich 1%ers. A regular little capitalist he is. ;)

Why are Republicans jealous of rich people? Its the politics of envy. He worked hard and he earned it.

Oh and the OP has no evidence that Ed Shultz's LLC has "full ownership" of these aircraft's. They could very well and probably do have liens on them.

Many LLC's are just one person. They use it for liability and tax purposes.

Schultz is just more liberal do as I say not as I do. He will preach class warfare and yet uses the capitalist system of tax advantages to its fullest extent. He is a puppet master for the simple minded like gerry who never take a look behind the curtain.

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> > > out
> > > > that the corporate fleet and his fleet, if
> > you
> > > can
> > > > call it that, are not comparable. Just
> like
> > > > eating a burger once or twice a week is not
> > > > comparable to eating one for every meal.
> > >
> > >
> > > They absolutely are directly comparable. In
> > fact
> > > worse in that most corporations, especially
> > LLCs
> > > don't have any aircraft at all.
> >
> >
> > His argument, as well as the one I've been
> making
> > here, are not singularly about the aircraft.
>
>
> Doesn't need to be. Being a hypocrite about that
> alone, is blatant hypocrisy.
>
> BTW, he also owns a construction company and a
> high-priced $3,500/3-days fly-in fishing lodge in
> Canada for rich 1%ers. A regular little
> capitalist he is. ;)


We've already agree on that conclusion.

Ron H Wrote:
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> Many LLC's are just one person. They use it for
> liability and tax purposes.
>
> Schultz is just more liberal do as I say not as I
> do. He will preach class warfare and yet uses the
> capitalist system of tax advantages to its fullest
> extent. He is a puppet master for the simple
> minded like gerry who never take a look behind the
> curtain.

What he's preaching is hardly class warfare.

Anything that questions their class war on working families is class warfare to them.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Anything that questions their class war on working
> families is class warfare to them.

Says the guy who hates anyone more successful than himself, which is just about the total world population except maybe a couple of guys in Haiti.

John Kerry, who obama calls a hero, keeps his multi million dollar yacht in another state to avoid the high taxes of his own state of Massachusetts. Then when called out on it claims he didnt know it was there.

gerry the jester Wrote:
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> John Kerry, who obama calls a hero, keeps his
> multi million dollar yacht in another state to
> avoid the high taxes of his own state of
> Massachusetts. Then when called out on it claims
> he didnt know it was there.


Let's not talk about who keeps what where, there's a Republican or two that keep their money offshore.

ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> gerry the jester Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > John Kerry, who obama calls a hero, keeps his
> > multi million dollar yacht in another state to
> > avoid the high taxes of his own state of
> > Massachusetts. Then when called out on it
> claims
> > he didnt know it was there.
>
>
> Let's not talk about who keeps what where, there's
> a Republican or two that keep their money
> offshore.

Show your work....

and. Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > gerry the jester Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > John Kerry, who obama calls a hero, keeps his
> > > multi million dollar yacht in another state
> to
> > > avoid the high taxes of his own state of
> > > Massachusetts. Then when called out on it
> > claims
> > > he didnt know it was there.
> >
> >
> > Let's not talk about who keeps what where,
> there's
> > a Republican or two that keep their money
> > offshore.
>
> Show your work....


Mitt Romney...
Ed Markey...

So rich people can't care about ordinary people or their hypocrites?

ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> > Show your work....
>
>
> Mitt Romney...
> Ed Markey...

Illegal offshore or just offshore investments you do not approve of? There is a difference. You might want to check your 401k, on the assumption you work for a living. You will find plenty of international funds contained therein. Kerrys move was a tax dodge but he got the usual media free pass. Advocating higher taxes for others while hiding your own assets in another state does not make a good leader.

Mo Free Barry Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > > Show your work....
> >
> >
> > Mitt Romney...
> > Ed Markey...
>
> Illegal offshore or just offshore investments you
> do not approve of? There is a difference. You
> might want to check your 401k, on the assumption
> you work for a living. You will find plenty of
> international funds contained therein. Kerrys move
> was a tax dodge but he got the usual media free
> pass. Advocating higher taxes for others while
> hiding your own assets in another state does not
> make a good leader.


Illegal. Ortenzio is another tax evader. I suppose it's ok for Republicans to do it because they don't believe in taxes anyway?

ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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>
> Mitt Romney...
> Ed Markey...


Terry McAuliffe...

oh wait...

Big Ed's private air strip.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Why are Republicans jealous of rich people? Its
> the politics of envy. He worked hard and he
> earned it.
>
> Oh and the OP has no evidence that Ed Shultz's LLC
> has "full ownership" of these aircraft's. They
> could very well and probably do have liens on
> them.


Keep trying.

Even though you lien nonsense is nonsense, if there were liens on property he's still own the property. In fact, it would be further proof of ownership since the property couldn't be attached for a claim against him unless it was his.

Looks like his little construction company received $706,952 in 'stimulus' funds.

http://www.recovery.gov/espsearch/Pages/advanced.aspx?State=ND&RecipName=EA+SCHULTZ

ColumnNo.4's Gay Alert Wrote:
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> When ColumnNo.4 first popped up a few days ago, he
> denied being a lib but just kept repeating the
> same shit even after it was proven wrong, the
> classic Gerry/libtard tatic. He's a trolling
> fuckstick who is quickly rising up the list of
> hated sucktarts here. He might be a fag as he's
> very emotional as well.


I wouldnt be so quick to throw him into the troll group. A lot of the long time liberal moron screen names here have been disappearing. Its likely hes just one of them with a new name.

Radiophile may be a decent place to start for guessing who. He would always start making things up as he went along as he got proven wrong.

ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> Illegal. Ortenzio is another tax evader. I
> suppose it's ok for Republicans to do it because
> they don't believe in taxes anyway?


When was Ortenzio a U S senator or Secy of State? As far as those who dont believe in taxes shout out to Marion Barry, Eleanor Norton and Charley Rangel.

Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.--Adolf Hitler
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Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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>
>
> You have no idea what Unions have done for this
> country. You'd be shoveling shit for 50 cents in
> a coal mine right now if it weren't for Unions.
> Its time you people showed some appreciation.


'Nuff said.



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Republicans don't give a fuck about you. They care about re-election. They care about financing their campaigns. The people that finance their campaigns expect them to fuck you over. But the thing is the Republicans have become so stupid and corrupt that recently they forgot who their masters are. The rich don't like the debt ceiling showmanship. And they're going to weed out all the Tea Party rif raf.

Your own donors see you as a threat to society now. But the politicians have gone from being just corrupt to bat shit crazy on your side. I guess you support that though.

You want politicians that don't give a fuck about the people. You have to dislike the country to want to support that type of power structure. Republicanism is proven to be a failure on all fronts. Time and again. Its even worse than it used to be.

At least in the past there was some moderation. The Republicans in the House are too stupid to be called evil fascists. They're just corrupt and stupid, They're a byproduct of a failed system.

I mean I ask this all the time. What exactly do you Republicans want? You don't stand for anything.

You don't because you're not a Republican, you're a peasant tool That's all you are. You ask a rich fucking 1 percenter Republican what he wants out of the GOP. He'll tell ya. Because his economic interests coincide with the Republicans party's agenda. You are just useful idiots.

Attacking Ed Shultz, you broke bastards on this entire forum probably couldn't break a million dollars in net worth. Yet you're over here demonizing the one champion for unions and workers rights in the media. The sole person.

Garbage is what you are.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Republicans don't give a fuck about you. They
> care about re-election. They care about financing
> their campaigns. The people that finance their
> yawn
> yawn
> yawn
> yawn
> yawn
> yawn
> yawn
> yawn
> yawn
> yawn
> yawn
> yawn
> yawn

Pay me Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Illegal. Ortenzio is another tax evader. I
> > suppose it's ok for Republicans to do it
> because
> > they don't believe in taxes anyway?
>
>
> When was Ortenzio a U S senator or Secy of State?
> As far as those who dont believe in taxes shout
> out to Marion Barry, Eleanor Norton and Charley
> Rangel.


Marion Barry, for Christ's sake that man is an infinite pillar of "wtf".

Mo Free Barry Wrote:
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> Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it,
> and eventually they will believe it.--Adolf Hitler


Like "the government is going to take your guns", "the government is going to take your stuff and give it to foreign coloured people", "the government is going to take your freedom" and "it's one small step from mass transit to Communism"?

ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> Mo Free Barry Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying
> it,
> > and eventually they will believe it.--Adolf
> Hitler
>
>
> Like "the government is going to take your guns",
> "the government is going to take your stuff and
> give it to foreign coloured people", "the
> government is going to take your freedom" and
> "it's one small step from mass transit to
> Communism"?


First and foremost Holder is on record in a Congressional hearing saying he and Obama would like to bring back gun bans. So was he lying or are you?

Second are you ever going to stay on topic or is it time to give you the Gerry treatment?

All weve gotten from you in this thread is bullshit, excuses, more made up bullshit to fit your origional bullshit, straw mans, and topic changes.

Youre the same person who thinks education isnt federalized enough and we dont spend enough money on it.

Esentially youre Gerry without the angry rants.

If you ACTUALLY want to discuss something than do so with facts. You making it up on the fly to fit what you want arent facts. Changing the topic isnt an argument, talking points that have been proven to be false time and again just make you look like a brain dead parrot. So again I will ask, do you plan on actually staying on topic or are you just Gerry without anger issues?

liberal logic 35 Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mo Free Barry Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying
> > it,
> > > and eventually they will believe it.--Adolf
> > Hitler
> >
> >
> > Like "the government is going to take your
> guns",
> > "the government is going to take your stuff and
> > give it to foreign coloured people", "the
> > government is going to take your freedom" and
> > "it's one small step from mass transit to
> > Communism"?
>
>
> First and foremost Holder is on record in a
> Congressional hearing saying he and Obama would
> like to bring back gun bans. So was he lying or
> are you?
>
> Second are you ever going to stay on topic or is
> it time to give you the Gerry treatment?
>
> All weve gotten from you in this thread is
> bullshit, excuses, more made up bullshit to fit
> your origional bullshit, straw mans, and topic
> changes.
>
> Youre the same person who thinks education isnt
> federalized enough and we dont spend enough money
> on it.
>
> Esentially youre Gerry without the angry rants.
>
> If you ACTUALLY want to discuss something than do
> so with facts. You making it up on the fly to fit
> what you want arent facts. Changing the topic
> isnt an argument, talking points that have been
> proven to be false time and again just make you
> look like a brain dead parrot. So again I will
> ask, do you plan on actually staying on topic or
> are you just Gerry without anger issues?


All you lot have done is pull one instance and attempted to play the saint, it's pathetic. Obama and Holder can say all they like, this isn't a dictatorship and one or two people can't enact a law, ban, etc. alone. On education all I said was there needed to be a national standard, perhaps so children in Mississippi are taugt facts so they're competitive outside of their "holler".

If you'd like to discuss facts do the thread a favour and ditch the name calling and conspiracy theories. We've agreed these people are of the same coin, three of here have, that essentially settles this debate.

Liberal Logic is the ffxu renowned resident moron. Such a title doesn't come easy. You will learn not to respond to his dribble.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Liberal Logic is the ffxu renowned resident moron.
> Such a title doesn't come easy. You will learn not
> to respond to his dribble.


Eh, he's not the worst, by far. The bigots and racists are by far the worst. This forum is infested with trolls.

Infested, its over run, its a troll utopia. Troll central command. The creme de la creme of trolls. FFXU is a hub of troll training and interaction. They learn the fine art of trolling here and dispatch all over the internets.

There's a lot of trolls. Most of the trolls aren't from Fairfax. They're jealous haters from Manassas or Culpeper or some other God forsaken Republican shit hole.

Just the nature of the beast.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Infested, its over run, its a troll utopia. Troll
> central command. The creme de la creme of trolls.
> FFXU is a hub of troll training and interaction.
> They learn the fine art of trolling here and
> dispatch all over the internets.
>
> There's a lot of trolls. Most of the trolls aren't
> from Fairfax. They're jealous haters from Manassas
> or Culpeper or some other God forsaken Republican
> shit hole.
>
> Just the nature of the beast.


StormFront has grown old.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Infested, its over run, its a troll utopia. Troll
> central command. The creme de la creme of trolls.
> FFXU is a hub of troll training and interaction.
> They learn the fine art of trolling here and
> dispatch all over the internets.
>
> There's a lot of trolls. Most of the trolls aren't
> from Fairfax. They're jealous haters from Manassas
> or Culpeper or some other God forsaken Republican
> shit hole.
>
> Just the nature of the beast.


If Trollville ever needed a mayor you got the job Corky.

ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> All you lot have done is pull one instance and
> attempted to play the saint, it's pathetic. Obama
> and Holder can say all they like, this isn't a
> dictatorship and one or two people can't enact a
> law, ban, etc. alone. On education all I said was
> there needed to be a national standard, perhaps so
> children in Mississippi are taugt facts so they're
> competitive outside of their "holler".
>
> If you'd like to discuss facts do the thread a
> favour and ditch the name calling and conspiracy
> theories. We've agreed these people are of the
> same coin, three of here have, that essentially
> settles this debate.


I wasnt name calling I was stating facts. You came right out of the gate defending Shultz making things up as you went along. When that failed you went right into the preprogramed Koch brothers response. Then you went into some random factually inaccurate rant about Romney ect and blew off the mention of sitting Democratic congressmen who actually are tax cheats. Facts arent name calling, theyre facts of exactly what you did.

No they arent all cut from the same cloth either. The Koch brothers and Oriellys of the world probably have a fleet of jets theyre so rich, but you know what they arent out there making their money playing class warfare bitching about them. Thats the big difference. Hes the Al Sharpton of economics making a fortune pinning people against each other preying on the stupid and uninformed.

You felt the need to try and defend him for quite sometime being shot down at every turn before just going off the rails into tangent land. A simple youre right I was wrong and being a partisan would have sufficed and people would have a lot more respect for that. Good for Shultz for being rich, but he did it in a despicable because thats the type of scumbag he is.

Its nothing more than yet another example of Liberals telling everyone else how to live and what they can and cannot have while feeling theyre entitled to everything. The Liberal elite believe were all here just to better their lives since theyre so superior, and people like you are what makes it possible.

Liberal Logic 35 Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > All you lot have done is pull one instance and
> > attempted to play the saint, it's pathetic.
> Obama
> > and Holder can say all they like, this isn't a
> > dictatorship and one or two people can't enact
> a
> > law, ban, etc. alone. On education all I said
> was
> > there needed to be a national standard, perhaps
> so
> > children in Mississippi are taugt facts so
> they're
> > competitive outside of their "holler".
> >
> > If you'd like to discuss facts do the thread a
> > favour and ditch the name calling and
> conspiracy
> > theories. We've agreed these people are of the
> > same coin, three of here have, that essentially
> > settles this debate.
>
>
> I wasnt name calling I was stating facts. You
> came right out of the gate defending Shultz making
> things up as you went along. When that failed you
> went right into the preprogramed Koch brothers
> response. Then you went into some random
> factually inaccurate rant about Romney ect and
> blew off the mention of sitting Democratic
> congressmen who actually are tax cheats. Facts
> arent name calling, theyre facts of exactly what
> you did.
>
> No they arent all cut from the same cloth either.
> The Koch brothers and Oriellys of the world
> probably have a fleet of jets theyre so rich, but
> you know what they arent out there making their
> money playing class warfare bitching about them.
> Thats the big difference. Hes the Al Sharpton of
> economics making a fortune pinning people against
> each other preying on the stupid and uninformed.
>
>
> You felt the need to try and defend him for quite
> sometime being shot down at every turn before just
> going off the rails into tangent land. A simple
> youre right I was wrong and being a partisan would
> have sufficed and people would have a lot more
> respect for that. Good for Shultz for being rich,
> but he did it in a despicable because thats the
> type of scumbag he is.
>
> Its nothing more than yet another example of
> Liberals telling everyone else how to live and
> what they can and cannot have while feeling theyre
> entitled to everything. The Liberal elite believe
> were all here just to better their lives since
> theyre so superior, and people like you are what
> makes it possible.

Right, "facts". I pointed out the difference between Shultz and those he criticizes. You brought up him being paid by unions, told that it's done considerably more by Republican supporters and named the Kochs in particular. Someone then claimed his LLC was a tax dodge, I said Republicans are guilty of the same, someone requested proof and I brought up three Republicans that have been caught for tax evasion.

The Koch brothers and O'Reilly are guilty of class warfare. Whenever people mention the income disparity it's labeled class warfare however when bottom 50% control 2.5% of the wealth and the Republicans want to take half of that for debt reduction it's called "fiscal responsibility". The only one praying on the stupid and uninformed are the bourgeois scum that continue to spout the lie that is the "American dream".

I recommend you take do some socioeconomic research before commenting on something you clearly know nothing about.

ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> I recommend you take do some socioeconomic
> research before commenting on something you
> clearly know nothing about.


You're a joke. The only 'socioeconomic research' you've done is reading the same tired bullshit from drones like you at Daily Kos and Dem Underground. lol

UNKCW Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > I recommend you take do some socioeconomic
> > research before commenting on something you
> > clearly know nothing about.
>
>
> You're a joke. The only 'socioeconomic research'
> you've done is reading the same tired bullshit
> from drones like you at Daily Kos and Dem
> Underground. lol

The only joke here is the "American dream" you keep attempting to sell.

ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> UNKCW Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > I recommend you take do some socioeconomic
> > > research before commenting on something you
> > > clearly know nothing about.
> >
> >
> > You're a joke. The only 'socioeconomic
> research'
> > you've done is reading the same tired bullshit
> > from drones like you at Daily Kos and Dem
> > Underground. lol
>
> The only joke here is the "American dream" you
> keep attempting to sell.


Nope, it's you.

Seriously, you need to dial it back to 11.

Take off the Che shirt. Turn off MSNBC. Peel the Forward sticker off of your Prius. Shave that scruffy little hipster fuzz on your face and back away from the gluten-free organic Kool Aid.

You've become a parody of libtardism.

W3WDD Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > UNKCW Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > >
> > > > I recommend you take do some socioeconomic
> > > > research before commenting on something you
> > > > clearly know nothing about.
> > >
> > >
> > > You're a joke. The only 'socioeconomic
> > research'
> > > you've done is reading the same tired
> bullshit
> > > from drones like you at Daily Kos and Dem
> > > Underground. lol
> >
> > The only joke here is the "American dream" you
> > keep attempting to sell.
>
>
> Nope, it's you.
>
> Seriously, you need to dial it back to 11.
>
> Take off the Che shirt. Turn off MSNBC. Peel the
> Forward sticker off of your Prius. Shave that
> scruffy little hipster fuzz on your face and back
> away from the gluten-free organic Kool Aid.
>
> You've become a parody of libtardism.


Because you're a pillar of individuality, with your dated, immature and pathetic right wing attempts and word play.

ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> Right, "facts". I pointed out the difference
> between Shultz and those he criticizes. You
> brought up him being paid by unions, told that
> it's done considerably more by Republican
> supporters and named the Kochs in particular.
> Someone then claimed his LLC was a tax dodge, I
> said Republicans are guilty of the same, someone
> requested proof and I brought up three Republicans
> that have been caught for tax evasion.
>
> The Koch brothers and O'Reilly are guilty of class
> warfare. Whenever people mention the income
> disparity it's labeled class warfare however when
> bottom 50% control 2.5% of the wealth and the
> Republicans want to take half of that for debt
> reduction it's called "fiscal responsibility".
> The only one praying on the stupid and uninformed
> are the bourgeois scum that continue to spout the
> lie that is the "American dream".
>
> I recommend you take do some socioeconomic
> research before commenting on something you
> clearly know nothing about.

So just more regurgitated bullshit I see. I didnt say anything before the last two posts that was someone else.

I see through your bullshit for what it is, you just make shit up and make excuses to fit what you want reality to be as opposed to what it is. Like I said facts are facts but since you never use any I now understand why you consider them to be name calling.

By research do you mean to watch Ed Shultz show which is apparently where you get all your misinformation?

Im now more convinced that I had you pegged right with the Radiophile guess. Youre not as angry as ferfux or vince but youre definitely a proponent of the same propaganda machine.

Liberal Logic 35 Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Right, "facts". I pointed out the difference
> > between Shultz and those he criticizes. You
> > brought up him being paid by unions, told that
> > it's done considerably more by Republican
> > supporters and named the Kochs in particular.
> > Someone then claimed his LLC was a tax dodge, I
> > said Republicans are guilty of the same,
> someone
> > requested proof and I brought up three
> Republicans
> > that have been caught for tax evasion.
> >
> > The Koch brothers and O'Reilly are guilty of
> class
> > warfare. Whenever people mention the income
> > disparity it's labeled class warfare however
> when
> > bottom 50% control 2.5% of the wealth and the
> > Republicans want to take half of that for debt
> > reduction it's called "fiscal responsibility".
> > The only one praying on the stupid and
> uninformed
> > are the bourgeois scum that continue to spout
> the
> > lie that is the "American dream".
> >
> > I recommend you take do some socioeconomic
> > research before commenting on something you
> > clearly know nothing about.
>
> So just more regurgitated bullshit I see. I didnt
> say anything before the last two posts that was
> someone else.
>
> I see through your bullshit for what it is, you
> just make shit up and make excuses to fit what you
> want reality to be as opposed to what it is. Like
> I said facts are facts but since you never use any
> I now understand why you consider them to be name
> calling.
>
> By research do you mean to watch Ed Shultz show
> which is apparently where you get all your
> misinformation?
>
> Im now more convinced that I had you pegged right
> with the Radiophile guess. Youre not as angry as
> ferfux or vince but youre definitely a proponent
> of the same propaganda machine.

Then obviously I wasn't directing that particular comment at you, was I? If you refuse to acknowledge facts because some MSNBC host said the same thing or you simply don't want to believe them then that's your problem, you go ahead and tell people the poor are treated so extravagantly that they can't afford a pot to piss in and the rich are so hard done by their income consistently increases yearly.

ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> Because you're a pillar of individuality, with
> your dated, immature and pathetic right wing
> attempts and word play.


I've not posted any 'right wing' anything for you to make any such call.

In contrast, everything that you've posted since you've been on this forum I could cut and paste directly from 1,000 Dem Underground drones. You're a brainless parrot reciting talking points. Period.

ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> Then obviously I wasn't directing that particular
> comment at you, was I?

You used the word "you" as in referring to me. So yes actually you clearly were directing that comment at me.

There you go again with more lies and bullshit. As opposed to saying my mistake I thought it was the same poster you just make up some bullshit about how you were directing it at me when you clearly did in your response.

>If you refuse to
> acknowledge facts because some MSNBC host said the
> same thing or you simply don't want to believe
> them then that's your problem, you go ahead and
> tell people the poor are treated so extravagantly
> that they can't afford a pot to piss in and the
> rich are so hard done by their income consistently
> increases yearly.

There you go again with more straw man arguments and made up bullshit. You havent been posting facts, you been posting talking points that have been disproved time and time again. Your talking points arent even current, theyre so dis-proven at this point theyve been abandoned long ago.

Youre also going back to the whole they have something so it should be taken because it can be argument which is nothing more than communism and politics of jealously. The poor in this country do have it good by a world standard as a matter of fact. Theyre taken care of with government safety nets and the generosity of people donating to charities which have done far more for the poor with less money than the government ever has.

Do you actually have anything to add or are you just going to keep making communist arguments? If people wanted pure bullshit MSNBC would actually have ratings, its nothing more than a propaganda channel. Hell they even have the same slogan they switched too to match Obamas reelection slogan.

In the end Shultz and people like him are the ones getting the last laugh that people like you are believing his bullshit making him rich. Very few of them actually believe any of the crap that comes out of their own mouths but it gets them money and power so they do it.

Polly Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Because you're a pillar of individuality, with
> > your dated, immature and pathetic right wing
> > attempts and word play.
>
>
> I've not posted any 'right wing' anything for you
> to make any such call.
>
> In contrast, everything that you've posted since
> you've been on this forum I could cut and paste
> directly from 1,000 Dem Underground drones.
> You're a brainless parrot reciting talking points.
> Period.

You most certainly have. I will say you haven't claimed you're right wing. I have no experience with whatever website you're referring to but I highly doubt I've crossed it and if it goes by the name of Democratic Underground it most certainly has nothing in common with myself, I am not a liberal. You crack me up though, claiming others are parroting while you blow horn the thinly veiled corporatist propaganda so typical of the intellectually obtuse like Limbaugh and Varney.

Liberal Logic 35 Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> -----
>
> > Then obviously I wasn't directing that
> particular
> > comment at you, was I?
>
> You used the word "you" as in referring to me. So
> yes actually you clearly were directing that
> comment at me.
>
> There you go again with more lies and bullshit.
> As opposed to saying my mistake I thought it was
> the same poster you just make up some bullshit
> about how you were directing it at me when you
> clearly did in your response.
>
> >If you refuse to
> > acknowledge facts because some MSNBC host said
> the
> > same thing or you simply don't want to believe
> > them then that's your problem, you go ahead and
> > tell people the poor are treated so
> extravagantly
> > that they can't afford a pot to piss in and the
> > rich are so hard done by their income
> consistently
> > increases yearly.
>
> There you go again with more straw man arguments
> and made up bullshit. You havent been posting
> facts, you been posting talking points that have
> been disproved time and time again. Your talking
> points arent even current, theyre so dis-proven at
> this point theyve been abandoned long ago.
>
> Youre also going back to the whole they have
> something so it should be taken because it can be
> argument which is nothing more than communism and
> politics of jealously. The poor in this country
> do have it good by a world standard as a matter of
> fact. Theyre taken care of with government safety
> nets and the generosity of people donating to
> charities which have done far more for the poor
> with less money than the government ever has.
>
> Do you actually have anything to add or are you
> just going to keep making communist arguments? If
> people wanted pure bullshit MSNBC would actually
> have ratings, its nothing more than a propaganda
> channel. Hell they even have the same slogan they
> switched too to match Obamas reelection slogan.
>
> In the end Shultz and people like him are the ones
> getting the last laugh that people like you are
> believing his bullshit making him rich. Very few
> of them actually believe any of the crap that
> comes out of their own mouths but it gets them
> money and power so they do it.

Ok, for starters you need to learn what Communism is because your interpretation is so incorrect I'm embarrassed for you. Poverty is assessed by the resources of the nation in which it exists. Again, you know nothing about Communism but, in typical American fashion, throw it in with your argument in a desperate attempt to paint me, in your self painted picture, as a Bolshevik infiltrator. Like so many other right wingers you're either still fighting the cold war of suffering from the red scare.

ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> Polly Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> >
> > > Because you're a pillar of individuality,
> with
> > > your dated, immature and pathetic right wing
> > > attempts and word play.
> >
> >
> > I've not posted any 'right wing' anything for
> you
> > to make any such call.
> >
> > In contrast, everything that you've posted
> since
> > you've been on this forum I could cut and paste
> > directly from 1,000 Dem Underground drones.
> > You're a brainless parrot reciting talking
> points.
> > Period.
>
> You most certainly have. I will say you haven't
> claimed you're right wing. I have no experience
> with whatever website you're referring to but I
> highly doubt I've crossed it and if it goes by the
> name of Democratic Underground it most certainly
> has nothing in common with myself, I am not a
> liberal.


Bwhahahahahahaha.

Like I said, you're a joke. Worse yet if you're serious.


> You crack me up though, claiming others
> are parroting while you blow horn the thinly
> veiled corporatist propaganda so typical of the
> intellectually obtuse like Limbaugh and Varney.


Where was this 'thinly veiled corporatist propaganda' exactly? All I've done is to make fun of your dumb preprogrammed ass. You can't even get out of your own box in trying to criticize me.

At least Gerry, Yucky, Wingnut and the rest of the partisan knuckleheads here have some creativity and an original thought now and then. You're a robot reciting programmed lines. Koch brothers? Seriously? lmao

ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> Ok, for starters you need to learn what Communism
> is because your interpretation is so incorrect I'm
> embarrassed for you. Poverty is assessed by the
> resources of the nation in which it exists.
> Again, you know nothing about Communism but, in
> typical American fashion, throw it in with your
> argument in a desperate attempt to paint me, in
> your self painted picture, as a Bolshevik
> infiltrator. Like so many other right wingers
> you're either still fighting the cold war of
> suffering from the red scare.

Blah blah blah more anti-american bullshit completely ignoring everything where you exposed as the fool you are.

Have some self respect and just stop. Youre in over your head since most people here use facts except for your little progressive cult.

Ive made my point, no one cares what you have to say. Every time you post the speech about Billy Madisons answer should automatically be posted.

chxJE Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Polly Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > >
> > > > Because you're a pillar of individuality,
> > with
> > > > your dated, immature and pathetic right
> wing
> > > > attempts and word play.
> > >
> > >
> > > I've not posted any 'right wing' anything for
> > you
> > > to make any such call.
> > >
> > > In contrast, everything that you've posted
> > since
> > > you've been on this forum I could cut and
> paste
> > > directly from 1,000 Dem Underground drones.
> > > You're a brainless parrot reciting talking
> > points.
> > > Period.
> >
> > You most certainly have. I will say you
> haven't
> > claimed you're right wing. I have no
> experience
> > with whatever website you're referring to but I
> > highly doubt I've crossed it and if it goes by
> the
> > name of Democratic Underground it most
> certainly
> > has nothing in common with myself, I am not a
> > liberal.
>
>
> Bwhahahahahahaha.
>
> Like I said, you're a joke. Worse yet if you're
> serious.
>
>
> > You crack me up though, claiming others
> > are parroting while you blow horn the thinly
> > veiled corporatist propaganda so typical of the
> > intellectually obtuse like Limbaugh and Varney.
>
>
> Where was this 'thinly veiled corporatist
> propaganda' exactly? All I've done is to make fun
> of your dumb preprogrammed ass. You can't even
> get out of your own box in trying to criticize
> me.
>
> At least Gerry, Yucky, Wingnut and the rest of the
> partisan knuckleheads here have some creativity
> and an original thought now and then. You're a
> robot reciting programmed lines. Koch brothers?
> Seriously? lmao


If you don't even notice its whereabouts then that says a lot about your mental awareness.

Liberal Logic 35 Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Ok, for starters you need to learn what
> Communism
> > is because your interpretation is so incorrect
> I'm
> > embarrassed for you. Poverty is assessed by
> the
> > resources of the nation in which it exists.
> > Again, you know nothing about Communism but, in
> > typical American fashion, throw it in with your
> > argument in a desperate attempt to paint me, in
> > your self painted picture, as a Bolshevik
> > infiltrator. Like so many other right wingers
> > you're either still fighting the cold war of
> > suffering from the red scare.
>
> Blah blah blah more anti-american bullshit
> completely ignoring everything where you exposed
> as the fool you are.
>
> Have some self respect and just stop. Youre in
> over your head since most people here use facts
> except for your little progressive cult.
>
> Ive made my point, no one cares what you have to
> say. Every time you post the speech about Billy
> Madisons answer should automatically be posted.

There it is, the last bastion of the right, calling the opposition "anti-American". I'll let you in on a secret, it helps to research what you plan on debating over, the accusations of "Communism" and "anti-Americanism" are old and overused.

ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> There it is, the last bastion of the right,
> calling the opposition "anti-American". I'll let
> you in on a secret, it helps to research what you
> plan on debating over, the accusations of
> "Communism" and "anti-Americanism" are old and
> overused.


The sad part is youre actually serious.

You cant even get communism right. You want wealth redistributed so everyone is equal which is a classless society which would thus give everyone common ownership of everything since theyre all equals. Which is the major definition of communism, everyone being equal with common ownership.

That lesson was free, but Im going to have to start charging you if you need tutoring at such a basic level.

Liberal Logic 35 Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
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> -----
>
> > There it is, the last bastion of the right,
> > calling the opposition "anti-American". I'll
> let
> > you in on a secret, it helps to research what
> you
> > plan on debating over, the accusations of
> > "Communism" and "anti-Americanism" are old and
> > overused.
>
>
> The sad part is youre actually serious.
>
> You cant even get communism right. You want
> wealth redistributed so everyone is equal which is
> a classless society which would thus give everyone
> common ownership of everything since theyre all
> equals. Which is the major definition of
> communism, everyone being equal with common
> ownership.
>
> That lesson was free, but Im going to have to
> start charging you if you need tutoring at such a
> basic level.

Nice copy-and-paste definition. Posting a definition and then accusing someone of agreeing with it proves nothing beyond that you can cut And paste a vague definition. I also hope to god that isn't what you consider an lesson on something.

Liberal Logic 35 Wrote:
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> ColumnNo.4 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > There it is, the last bastion of the right,
> > calling the opposition "anti-American". I'll
> let
> > you in on a secret, it helps to research what
> you
> > plan on debating over, the accusations of
> > "Communism" and "anti-Americanism" are old and
> > overused.
>
>
> The sad part is youre actually serious.
>
> You cant even get communism right. You want
> wealth redistributed so everyone is equal which is
> a classless society which would thus give everyone
> common ownership of everything since theyre all
> equals. Which is the major definition of
> communism, everyone being equal with common
> ownership.
>
> That lesson was free, but Im going to have to
> start charging you if you need tutoring at such a
> basic level.

God, you're an idiot. Worse yet, you're an arrogant idiot.

I warned you. I told you of this man. I said there would be a day in which you would understand. That day has come.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/16/2013 12:36AM by Gerrymanderer2.

Debating Liberal Logic is like slapping around a retarded kid. Yeah he pissed you off but there's no point to it.