Just said it in another thread, I'm pretty libertarian conservative, but not a fan of Fox news.

Though I agree with their "positions" on a lot of topics. their pundit shows like O'Reilley and Hannity are pretty insufferable. There is a constant focus on a few themes- anti-Christmas bias, anti-flag moves by local liberals, Girl Scouts being attacked etc.

Fox attacks liberal hypocrisy and media bias, but they are boring and not a great place for the news, witht the exception of the 6pm and 7pm newscast. Laugh if you may, I watch the BBC and CNN.

MSNBC has apparently smelled the money that Fox has been raking in with their business model. It seems their producers have changed networks format and mindset to reflect liberal and Democrat talking points.

A good business model, but news is suffering.

Right or wrong?

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MSNBC gave a platform and microphone to one of the worst race baiting rabble rousers there is- Al Sharpton.

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Whatever brings in the eyeballs makes money. People who go to FNC or MSNBC are not going over to be educated. They want brain candy that soothes their ideological cravings.

FOX News has to be the worst. They just run with any story they think might be sensational or grab headlines. FOX has been caught several times reporting hoaxes.

FOX News is one step up from the inquirer. I still can't figure out why FOX allowed Glenn Beck to have a show. Beck is a complete nut job.

I watch Morning Joe, but really can't stand MSNBC, FOX, CNN, etc, for the most part.

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Fox has been caught many times putting up visuals that were later found to be misrepresented.

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> Whatever brings in the eyeballs makes money.
> People who go to FNC or MSNBC are not going over
> to be educated. They want brain candy that
> soothes their ideological cravings.

Thats my feelings.

The goal is to promote affirmation, not information. The same is done with diet books and a lot of the self-help crap pushed by daytime TV.

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Whats great is how many of yall think that any of the news channels give a shit about any of the issues and idealologies. Sure the TV personalities care about XYZ but the pral players, the executives only give a shit about ratings. If they could make one extra dollar of advertising money by playing it, they would put Tom Green on repeat 24 hours a day.

I repeat, the people who run these stations dont give a fuck about anything but money in the bank. That is all.

Lawrence O'Donnell is an admitted socialist.

Has a primetime show.


Listen to this idiot.




Are these the kind of turds you want to influence your "news"?

When our armed forces left Iraq in a convoy that lasted 18 hours, MSNBC had three reports on the ground covering it live-I watched for hours their coverage of all the military hardware and troops cross the border, leaving Iraq. At 10:00 PM I turned to Fox News and they did a one line blub at the top of the hour about the troops leaving, and then went to Greta doing a pre-taped boating ride with Sarah Palin and talking about why we need to drill more in Alaska.

Sharia law in the US, using misleading graphics, hyping the mosque at ground zero that wasn't, thanking Bush for torturing people, Hosting Jerome Corsi, Hannity's outright lies, making up news from commentary, giving credibility to James O'Keefe, denying climate change, reading RNC talking points as if they are news, Griff Jenkins ‘ equivocations, and even denying evolution at times, Fox News claims to be fair and balanced in their approach to the news.

Remember the woman that was interviewed by Griff, then went on Fox and Friends, and later that day on Hannity claiming she was an upset mother full of Panic and Outrage over the dangerous “pro-union propaganda” teaching of labor union history in public schools? Well it turned out she was a Wisconsin Republican chairwoman , who was later arrested for driving drunk with her kids in the car. She was a Fox news plant. I don’t believe MSNBC, or CNN, have ever been caught using plants to make news.

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> Fox has been caught many times putting up visuals
> that were later found to be misrepresented.


examples?

Zelda is so racist. The good guys are all white blond-haired Aryan types, and the bad guy is a brown-skinned man with a pronounced nose.

Other races like gorons and zora are considered "good" because they submit to the Hylians.

Not the gerudo, though. Nope. They want to be independent and refuse to be dominated, therefore they are "evil."

Say, doesn't Hylian kinda sound like Aryan?

Ganon wants to create "a world of darkness," because obviously a world not ruled by white people = darkness and chaos amirite?

Link is the chosen hero because he has the blood of ancient Hylian warriors. He's a hero because of his blood? In other words, he's automatically the hero because his ancestors are white?

Master Sword, huh? Is that like the master race?

The Triforce is a KKK symbol.

The final boss of Zelda 2 is Shadow Link, who is exactly like Link except he is black.

Nice pointy hat, Link. Was KKK-mart having a sale?

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> When our armed forces left Iraq in a convoy that
> lasted 18 hours, MSNBC had three reports on the
> ground covering it live-I watched for hours their
> coverage of all the military hardware and troops
> cross the border, leaving Iraq. At 10:00 PM I
> turned to Fox News and they did a one line blub at
> the top of the hour about the troops leaving, and
> then went to Greta doing a pre-taped boating ride
> with Sarah Palin and talking about why we need to
> drill more in Alaska.
>
> Sharia law in the US, using misleading graphics,
> hyping the mosque at ground zero that wasn't,
> thanking Bush for torturing people, Hosting
> Jerome Corsi, Hannity's outright lies, making up
> news from commentary, giving credibility to James
> O'Keefe, denying climate change, reading RNC
> talking points as if they are news, Griff Jenkins
> ‘ equivocations, and even denying evolution at
> times, Fox News claims to be fair and balanced in
> their approach to the news.
>
> Remember the woman that was interviewed by Griff,
> then went on Fox and Friends, and later that day
> on Hannity claiming she was an upset mother full
> of Panic and Outrage over the dangerous
> “pro-union propaganda” teaching of labor union
> history in public schools? Well it turned out
> she was a Wisconsin Republican chairwoman , who
> was later arrested for driving drunk with her kids
> in the car. She was a Fox news plant. I
> don’t believe MSNBC, or CNN, have ever been
> caught using plants to make news.

Some very valid points..


But you have to ask yourself is MSNBC actually less biased?

MSNBC railed against Bush, Gitmo and the indefintite detentions of "unlawful combatants"- but are curiously silent about Obama doing the same thing.Or Obama's expansion of the use of drones.

MSNBC also jumped headfirst into the Trayvon Martin case, asnd even injected a racial element with the selective editing of Zimmermans 911 call.

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>
> Has a primetime show.
>
>
> Listen to this idiot.
>
>
>
>
> Are these the kind of turds you want to influence
> your "news"?

You know, a lot of the policies that we have as a country are considered socialist. Take welfare, social security, medicare, medicade, etc... Its that as a country we've become used to them. This country is more socialist then people admit, and I get a laugh when people denounce Socialism but aren't will to let go of these benefits.

res Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
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> -----
> > Lawrence O'Donnell is an admitted socialist.
> >
> > Has a primetime show.
> >
> >
> > Listen to this idiot.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Are these the kind of turds you want to
> influence
> > your "news"?
>
> You know, a lot of the policies that we have as a
> country are considered socialist. Take welfare,
> social security, medicare, medicade, etc... Its
> that as a country we've become used to them. This
> country is more socialist then people admit, and I
> get a laugh when people denounce Socialism but
> aren't will to let go of these benefits.

You are right on that a lot of Tea Party types and opponents of Big Government have a very different attitude if it comes to taking their Medicaire or SS away.

But, do we need MORE of these kinds of programs or more involvement of the feds in our personal and financial lives?

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> > When our armed forces left Iraq in a convoy
> that
> > lasted 18 hours, MSNBC had three reports on the
> .................

> Some very valid points..
>
>
> But you have to ask yourself is MSNBC actually
> less biased?
>


I'll answer that.......YES, MSNBC IS LESS BIASED. Both chanels have their star pundits who make no secret to where they stand. If you watch Chris Mathews or O'Reilly you know where they stand. What sets them apart is the NEWS. Talking about the actual news between the shows. Fox stories, more often then MSNBC, have an obvious slant. Often you hear a tone of "here's what those crazy democrats are doing again". The attitude and tone coming from the anchors is so much more snide.

Also, whatch Joe Scarborough, a Republican. Which show on Fox has a Democrat as a host, with guests with various viewpoints who come on the show and have a roundtable discussion? There are other Republican pundits on other MSNBC shows as well......fox doesn't come close to doing this.

WingNut Wrote:
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> res Wrote:
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> -----
> > WingNut Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Lawrence O'Donnell is an admitted socialist.
> > >
> > > Has a primetime show.
> > >
> > >
> > > Listen to this idiot.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Are these the kind of turds you want to
> > influence
> > > your "news"?
> >
> > You know, a lot of the policies that we have as
> a
> > country are considered socialist. Take welfare,
> > social security, medicare, medicade, etc... Its
> > that as a country we've become used to them.
> This
> > country is more socialist then people admit, and
> I
> > get a laugh when people denounce Socialism but
> > aren't will to let go of these benefits.
>
> You are right on that a lot of Tea Party types and
> opponents of Big Government have a very different
> attitude if it comes to taking their Medicaire or
> SS away.
>
> But, do we need MORE of these kinds of programs or
> more involvement of the feds in our personal and
> financial lives?

Well, that the Big question. Government is local. There's a story (and a person or company) behind every law/bill/tax. Government doesn't act on its own, its reacting to something from the people or a lobbyist group. So when the tea party and/or small government types go on their rampage against Big Government they really should be focusing on their friend, neighbors, collegues. We're the ones who got govt. where it is today and to make it smaller means someone or group is going to fight it.

Google "$5.00 a gallon gas," and "Fox News" and see how much Fox News hyped this myth. See all the times they used the word "experts" in their reporting over the late winter and early spring in trying to blame President Obama for $5.00 a gallon gas.

There were "experts" who were scoffing at the notion of $5.00 a gallon gas, but as far as I can tell, they were never invited to the debate on Fox News.

WingNut Wrote:
>
> But you have to ask yourself is MSNBC actually
> less biased?
>
> MSNBC railed against Bush, Gitmo and the
> indefintite detentions of "unlawful combatants"-
> but are curiously silent about Obama doing the
> same thing.Or Obama's expansion of the use of
> drones.
>
> MSNBC also jumped headfirst into the Trayvon
> Martin case, asnd even injected a racial element
> with the selective editing of Zimmermans 911 call.


Are you attempting to equate misinformation, hype, and plants from Fox News with under reporting on MSNBC?

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> Google "$5.00 a gallon gas," and "Fox News" and
> see how much Fox News hyped this myth. See all
> the times they used the word "experts" in their
> reporting over the late winter and early spring in
> trying to blame President Obama for $5.00 a gallon
> gas.
>
> There were "experts" who were scoffing at the
> notion of $5.00 a gallon gas, but as far as I can
> tell, they were never invited to the debate on Fox
> News.


http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/25/10496561-8-reasons-why-gas-will-hit-5-a-gallon-this-year?lite

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/jansing-and-co/46413671#46413671

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-ed-show/42563594#42563594

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/cnbc/46903245#46903245

I got plenty more if you want me to make you look even more stupid.....

No matter what you change your name to, your stupidity shines through....

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> >
> > But you have to ask yourself is MSNBC actually
> > less biased?
> >
> > MSNBC railed against Bush, Gitmo and the
> > indefintite detentions of "unlawful
> combatants"-
> > but are curiously silent about Obama doing the
> > same thing.Or Obama's expansion of the use of
> > drones.
> >
> > MSNBC also jumped headfirst into the Trayvon
> > Martin case, asnd even injected a racial
> element
> > with the selective editing of Zimmermans 911
> call.
>
>
> Are you attempting to equate misinformation, hype,
> and plants from Fox News with under reporting on
> MSNBC?

Underreporting is a sin of ommission and serious.

What I am talking about is cases like when MSNBC aired edited audio of the George Zimmerman 911 call that implied Trayvon was being followed because "he looks black" (not because he was asked for a description by the 911 operator)

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IIRC, msnbc aired an apology for presenting the edited audio. I would be surprised if FOX would ever be so humble.

res Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FUNdamental Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > When our armed forces left Iraq in a convoy
> > that
> > > lasted 18 hours, MSNBC had three reports on
> the
> > .................
>
> > Some very valid points..
> >
> >
> > But you have to ask yourself is MSNBC actually
> > less biased?
> >
>
>
> I'll answer that.......YES, MSNBC IS LESS BIASED.
> Both chanels have their star pundits who make no
> secret to where they stand. If you watch Chris
> Mathews or O'Reilly you know where they stand.
> What sets them apart is the NEWS. Talking about
> the actual news between the shows. Fox stories,
> more often then MSNBC, have an obvious slant.
> Often you hear a tone of "here's what those crazy
> democrats are doing again". The attitude and tone
> coming from the anchors is so much more snide.
>
> Also, whatch Joe Scarborough, a Republican. Which
> show on Fox has a Democrat as a host, with guests
> with various viewpoints who come on the show and
> have a roundtable discussion? There are other
> Republican pundits on other MSNBC shows as
> well......fox doesn't come close to doing this.

Ahhhh BULLSHIT. lmao

The only people who think that MSNBC is any less biased are brainwashed simpletons like you. Scarborough is only a 'conservative' compared to Maddow, Sharpton, Big Ed, and the rest of the MSNBC freaks. Yes, Fox is more obvious about it. That's what makes MSNBC worse. They actually pretend like their BS is real and they insert their bias in more subtle ways. NPR has gotten ridiculous about that kind of crap in recent years. Hell, some of my family is Muslim and I can't even stomach their transparent daily Muslim sympathy stories any more.

As somebody else said, try BBC, or CBN, or if you want politics then CSPAN gives it to you straight up from the sources with none of MSNBC's 'this is what you should think' programming inserted.

Here's another example of MSNBC bias. They show the back, but not the face of a black man carrying a rifle at a Tea Party event...

Then, the hosts expound on the racial overtones and how the guns threaten a "man of color"


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2009/08/18/msnbc-no-mention-black-gun-owner-among-racist-protesters#

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Maybe I didn't look close enough but I couldn't tell the race of the guy armed with the assault rifle.

Don't you think that if we had a white president, and there were rally's with black people gathering and somewhate heavily armed, that that would elicit a certain..."reaction"....from people?

Wake Up Schmuck Wrote:

> >
> > I'll answer that.......YES, MSNBC IS LESS
> BIASED.
> > Both chanels have their star pundits who make
> no
> > secret to where they stand. If you watch Chris
> > Mathews or O'Reilly you know where they stand.
> > What sets them apart is the NEWS. Talking about
> > the actual news between the shows. Fox stories,
> > more often then MSNBC, have an obvious slant.
> > Often you hear a tone of "here's what those
> crazy
> > democrats are doing again". The attitude and
> tone
> > coming from the anchors is so much more snide.
> >
> > Also, whatch Joe Scarborough, a Republican.
> Which
> > show on Fox has a Democrat as a host, with
> guests
> > with various viewpoints who come on the show
> and
> > have a roundtable discussion? There are other
> > Republican pundits on other MSNBC shows as
> > well......fox doesn't come close to doing this.
>
> Ahhhh BULLSHIT. lmao
>
> The only people who think that MSNBC is any less
> biased are brainwashed simpletons like you.
> Scarborough is only a 'conservative' compared to
> Maddow, Sharpton, Big Ed, and the rest of the
> MSNBC freaks. Yes, Fox is more obvious about it.
> That's what makes MSNBC worse. They actually
> pretend like their BS is real and they insert
> their bias in more subtle ways. NPR has gotten
> ridiculous about that kind of crap in recent
> years. Hell, some of my family is Muslim and I
> can't even stomach their transparent daily Muslim
> sympathy stories any more.
>
> As somebody else said, try BBC, or CBN, or if you
> want politics then CSPAN gives it to you straight
> up from the sources with none of MSNBC's 'this is
> what you should think' programming inserted.


You know we could go back and forth. But I think your comment ("That's what makes MSNBC worse. They actually pretend like their BS is real and they insert their bias in more subtle ways") pretty much says it all. You can say that with a straight face (!) when FOX is the channel with the slogan "Fair and Balanced". Who's pretending to be something their not???

res Wrote:
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> Maybe I didn't look close enough but I couldn't
> tell the race of the guy armed with the assault
> rifle.
>
> Don't you think that if we had a white president,
> and there were rally's with black people gathering
> and somewhate heavily armed, that that would
> elicit a certain..."reaction"....from people?

The guy with the rifle is black. MSNBC cropped the image so his race was not shown, then rambled about the "racism" of the Tea Party.

http://thegrio.com/2009/08/18/black-man-with-assault-rifle-at-obama-speech/

http://www.allamericanblogger.com/8420/msnbc-edits-video-of-black-gun-owner-calls-him-and-others-angry-and-racist/

Calling people racist or implying racist motivations is a favorite cheap shot of MSNBC and the left in general.



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Racism is ignorant. Using phony charges of racism to agitate is evil.

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res Wrote:
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> You know we could go back and forth. But I think
> your comment ("That's what makes MSNBC worse.
> They actually pretend like their BS is real and
> they insert their bias in more subtle ways")
> pretty much says it all. You can say that with a
> straight face (!) when FOX is the channel with the
> slogan "Fair and Balanced". Who's pretending to be
> something their not???


It is worse. As I said, Fox's bias is obvious and evident. MSNBC attempts to present its bias as some enlightened 'truth.' Which is why suckers like you buy into it and think that they're 'smarter.'

What was the dopey promo line that they ran before they went with the 'Lean Forward' jive? You know, the one with Maddow, Lawrence, et. al., sitting in a cafe or bookstore someplace telling you the 'truth' and why you should think 'Progressive?' I threw up a little in my mouth every time I saw that crap. lol

lol, liberals
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I like how libtards constantly denounce Fox News as being biased while totally ignoring the obvious: Fox News is the ONLY right-wing news network in America.

All of the other major news networks - PBS, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, etc - are obviously left-wing.

And don't bother trying to deny that libtards. Even when I was a militant leftist I knew that was true. By denying the obvious, it just makes you look like a mouth drooling retard or a goose-stepping left-wing propagandist.

And that's why it's okay for Fox News to have a right-wing bias. Because they're the loan dissenting voice in a sea of endless left-wing propaganda.

And that's why the Left is so obsessed with belittling, demonizing and trying to get Fox News taken off the air.

Leftists have an extremely fragile paradigm. Their views are based on total fantasies (mud people being equal to Whites being one of the most glaring examples).

They simply cannot tolerate hearing a differing view being expressed. Like all cultists, it makes them see red and fills them with a murderous rage.



Leftists constantly patting themselves on back for being so open minded and the champions of free discourse is so Orwellian it hurts my brain.

Everywhere they dominate - North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Cambodia, Libya, Syria, Iraq, the Soviet Union, China, the college campus, the media, etc - they censor the fuck out of right-wingers.

I find it so frustrating that people constantly bash fox news, I agree that some of the shows are biased but there number one guy Bill o'reilly does not seem so bias and anti obama as like hannity's show and some of the earlier progrmming, same with greta van susteran. MSNBC on the other hand is just awful, I actually really enjoy disagreement and debate so I often watch MSNBC and its funny to me how much they obsess over every little thing any republican does and bash bash bash on republicans.

Like I was watching the racheal maddow show the other day and while they were going on about how that day was the most disastrous in mitt romney's entire campaign because he pointed out basic stuff about the Olympics in some interview. This just seemed totally blow out of proportion to me so I found that odd but was really funny is that they were broadcasting peoples tweets on there show.So theres like people tweeting in that Mitt Romney would embarrass the USA and fox news has no soul, lol as they let this crap from the uninformed masses on there show.

Ryan9210 Wrote:
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> I find it so frustrating that people constantly
> bash fox news, I agree that some of the shows are
> biased but there number one guy Bill o'reilly does
> not seem so bias and anti obama as like hannity's
> show and some of the earlier progrmming, same with
> greta van susteran. MSNBC on the other hand is
> just awful, I actually really enjoy disagreement
> and debate so I often watch MSNBC and its funny to
> me how much they obsess over every little thing
> any republican does and bash bash bash on
> republicans.
>
> Like I was watching the racheal maddow show the
> other day and while they were going on about how
> that day was the most disastrous in mitt romney's
> entire campaign because he pointed out basic stuff
> about the Olympics in some interview. This just
> seemed totally blow out of proportion to me so I
> found that odd but was really funny is that they
> were broadcasting peoples tweets on there show.So
> theres like people tweeting in that Mitt Romney
> would embarrass the USA and fox news has no soul,
> lol as they let this crap from the uninformed
> masses on there show.

All you have to do is look at Rachels ratings. Don't say nobody watches her show because I happen to know her mother watches it every night.
I especially enjoy hearing her tell everybody how to run the military. She thinks
the tv series MASH is how it's done.

You can rarely get actual news on Fox News and MSNBC -- particularly during primetime. At the minimum, both are news-based entertainment. At their worst its like watching an endless political advertisement.

Its good to turn on both occasionally to see what lunacy they are peddling, but you can't really get much factual reporting from either.

The best thing about MSNBC is that no one watches it. Their ratings are so low that infomercials regularly beat them.

Fox News is best if you mute the sound and just oggle the news babes they trot out there. They always put the men behind the desk, but have the women sitting in front of it in short skirts. Fox knows how to get ratings.

You know you're going to get some reporting bias and perhaps some editorial agenda, but at least you should be getting some solid news. To see what real news reporting looks like, try BBC World News. I listen to the BBC World Service on satellite radio which is the same. You not only get the headlines every half hour, but regularly get an entire hour or two hour block of in depth news stories that attempt to explain every side of the news story. Even their analysis of U.S. politics is pretty well balanced (compared to most U.S. sources).

Al Jazeerra English (yes, believe it or not, its some fantastic reporting of international news), France24 and Deutsche Welle.

^ CSPAN also does a good job at balanced political reporting. They don't present things with a point of view and you get the issues and hearings and other discussions by the people involved unfiltered.

Fox is at least clear about its biases. Not hard to know what filter to apply. Some of the others are more subtle and do the same thing but by omission of certain information and/or how they focus stories.

NPR used to be good but unfortunately they've got a lot more point of view in their news now and are fairly bad as far as the subtle slant thing.

I was not aware that MSNBC was a creatable news agency. It's hard to take anything they broadcast seriously.

the most partisan pundit at fox is sean hannity at msnbc starting with Martin bashir-socialist odonnell they are at least as partisan as hannity fox is biased no question but between the two it's obviously msnbc even msnbcs hard news people are biased (andrea mitchell,tamron hall, etc..) in terms of "snarkiness" msnbc regularly calls anyone they don't agree with "crazy!"