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In 2003, there were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US v. 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other high-income countries with twice our population
Posted by:
People With Guns Kill People
()
Date: December 19, 2012 12:18PM
A study of firearm deaths in high income countries (Australia, Austria, Canada, Czech Republic, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom (England and Wales), United Kingdom (Northern Ireland), United Kingdom (Scotland), and the United States) was conducted with data from the World Health Organization assembled by the WHO from the official national statistics of each individual country from 2003 (Richardson and Hemenway, 2011).
The total population for the United States for 2003 was 290.8 million while the combined population for the other 22 countries was 563.5 million.
There were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US and 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other countries.
Of all the firearm deaths in these 23 high-income countries in 2003, 80% occurred in the US.
In the US:
- The overall firearm death rate was 10.2 per 100,000, the overall firearm homicide rate 4.1 per 100,000, and the overall homicide rate 6.0 per 100,000, with firearm homicide rates highest persons 15 to 24 years of age.
- The overall suicide rate was 10.8 per 100,000, and slightly over half of these deaths were firearm suicide (5.8 per 100,000).
In the other high income countries:
- The overall firearm death rate was 1.4 per 100,000, the overall firearm homicide rate 0.2 per 100,000, and the overall homicide rate 0.9 per 100,000. The firearm homicide rates were highest in the 25 year old to 34 year old age group.
- The overall suicide rate was 14.9 per 100,000 with an overall firearm suicide rate of 1.0 per 100,000.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20571454
The total population for the United States for 2003 was 290.8 million while the combined population for the other 22 countries was 563.5 million.
There were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US and 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other countries.
Of all the firearm deaths in these 23 high-income countries in 2003, 80% occurred in the US.
In the US:
- The overall firearm death rate was 10.2 per 100,000, the overall firearm homicide rate 4.1 per 100,000, and the overall homicide rate 6.0 per 100,000, with firearm homicide rates highest persons 15 to 24 years of age.
- The overall suicide rate was 10.8 per 100,000, and slightly over half of these deaths were firearm suicide (5.8 per 100,000).
In the other high income countries:
- The overall firearm death rate was 1.4 per 100,000, the overall firearm homicide rate 0.2 per 100,000, and the overall homicide rate 0.9 per 100,000. The firearm homicide rates were highest in the 25 year old to 34 year old age group.
- The overall suicide rate was 14.9 per 100,000 with an overall firearm suicide rate of 1.0 per 100,000.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20571454
Re: In 2003, there were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US v. 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other high-income countries with twice our population
Posted by:
Love it or Leave it!
()
Date: December 19, 2012 12:21PM
America, Fuck Yeah!
Re: In 2003, there were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US v. 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other high-income countries with twice our population
Posted by:
2 x Fail = Fail
()
Date: December 19, 2012 12:28PM
So where are these 22 countries with twice our population?
And why are you citing stats from 10 years ago? lol
And why are you citing stats from 10 years ago? lol
Re: In 2003, there were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US v. 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other high-income countries with twice our population
Posted by:
hMEwC
()
Date: December 19, 2012 12:31PM
2 x Fail = Fail Wrote:
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> So where are these 22 countries with twice our
> population?
>
> And why are you citing stats from 10 years ago?
> lol
Because he's a liberal douche
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> So where are these 22 countries with twice our
> population?
>
> And why are you citing stats from 10 years ago?
> lol
Because he's a liberal douche
Attachments:
Re: In 2003, there were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US v. 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other high-income countries with twice our population
Posted by:
Gun Nutty
()
Date: December 19, 2012 12:54PM
2 x Fail = Fail Wrote:
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> So where are these 22 countries with twice our
> population?
Australia, Austria, Canada, Czech Republic, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, England and Wales, Northern Ireland, and Scotland.
2003 Population: 563.5 million.
> And why are you citing stats from 10 years ago?
The study was published in 2011.
> lol
You're a tool.
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> So where are these 22 countries with twice our
> population?
Australia, Austria, Canada, Czech Republic, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, England and Wales, Northern Ireland, and Scotland.
2003 Population: 563.5 million.
> And why are you citing stats from 10 years ago?
The study was published in 2011.
> lol
You're a tool.
Re: In 2003, there were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US v. 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other high-income countries with twice our population
Posted by:
Chump
()
Date: December 19, 2012 01:28PM
Gun Nutty Wrote:
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> 2 x Fail = Fail Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So where are these 22 countries with twice our
> > population?
>
> Australia, Austria, Canada, Czech Republic,
> Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Italy,
> Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand,
> Norway, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, England
> and Wales, Northern Ireland, and Scotland.
>
> 2003 Population: 563.5 million.
>
> > And why are you citing stats from 10 years ago?
>
> The study was published in 2011.
>
> > lol
>
So, in other words, they've cherry-picked a list of countries with widely varying social characteristics, reporting methods, etc., any one of which might not pan out the way that they'd like, excluding those which don't support their foregone conclusion, in order to equal our population and make the stats work for what they want them to say, AND, cherry-picked the data for years that work too. Great study. lmao
> You're a tool.
You're a sucker for crap stats like these.
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> 2 x Fail = Fail Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So where are these 22 countries with twice our
> > population?
>
> Australia, Austria, Canada, Czech Republic,
> Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Italy,
> Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand,
> Norway, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, England
> and Wales, Northern Ireland, and Scotland.
>
> 2003 Population: 563.5 million.
>
> > And why are you citing stats from 10 years ago?
>
> The study was published in 2011.
>
> > lol
>
So, in other words, they've cherry-picked a list of countries with widely varying social characteristics, reporting methods, etc., any one of which might not pan out the way that they'd like, excluding those which don't support their foregone conclusion, in order to equal our population and make the stats work for what they want them to say, AND, cherry-picked the data for years that work too. Great study. lmao
> You're a tool.
You're a sucker for crap stats like these.
Re: In 2003, there were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US v. 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other high-income countries with twice our population
Posted by:
Less Miserable
()
Date: December 19, 2012 02:40PM
People With Guns Kill People Wrote:
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> A study of firearm deaths in high income countries
> (Australia, Austria, Canada, Czech Republic,
> Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Italy,
> Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand,
> Norway, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, United
> Kingdom (England and Wales), United Kingdom
> (Northern Ireland), United Kingdom (Scotland), and
> the United States) was conducted with data from
> the World Health Organization assembled by the WHO
> from the official national statistics of each
> individual country from 2003 (Richardson and
> Hemenway, 2011).
>
> The total population for the United States for
> 2003 was 290.8 million while the combined
> population for the other 22 countries was 563.5
> million.
>
> There were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US and
> 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other countries.
>
> Of all the firearm deaths in these 23
> high-income countries in 2003, 80% occurred in the
> US.
>
> In the US:
>
> - The overall firearm death rate was 10.2 per
> 100,000, the overall firearm homicide rate 4.1 per
> 100,000, and the overall homicide rate 6.0 per
> 100,000, with firearm homicide rates highest
> persons 15 to 24 years of age.
>
> - The overall suicide rate was 10.8 per 100,000,
> and slightly over half of these deaths were
> firearm suicide (5.8 per 100,000).
>
> In the other high income countries:
>
> - The overall firearm death rate was 1.4 per
> 100,000, the overall firearm homicide rate 0.2 per
> 100,000, and the overall homicide rate 0.9 per
> 100,000. The firearm homicide rates were highest
> in the 25 year old to 34 year old age group.
>
> - The overall suicide rate was 14.9 per 100,000
> with an overall firearm suicide rate of 1.0 per
> 100,000.
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20571454
Two things:
1. Switzerland has more guns per capita than the US (with many households posessing fully automatic weapons as a requirement of their militia/military service), yet their murder rate is nowhere near our's. Thus, the number of guns or types of guns doesn't seem to the problem. The problem is we don't take care of our mentally ill, we marginalize them and we fill the brains of our kids with sex and violence from about 3 years old through TV, movies and video games.
2. About half the gun deaths in the US are suicide. Again, a measure of our dysfunctional society more so than guns. Guns have been a part of the US culture since the 1600's when Europeans first landed here.
There are people who want the government to regulate our lives. Keep dangerous things away from us, whether they be guns or 20 oz. soft drink cups. The weakness of the current crop of Americans is frightening. We are doomed.
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> A study of firearm deaths in high income countries
> (Australia, Austria, Canada, Czech Republic,
> Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Italy,
> Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand,
> Norway, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, United
> Kingdom (England and Wales), United Kingdom
> (Northern Ireland), United Kingdom (Scotland), and
> the United States) was conducted with data from
> the World Health Organization assembled by the WHO
> from the official national statistics of each
> individual country from 2003 (Richardson and
> Hemenway, 2011).
>
> The total population for the United States for
> 2003 was 290.8 million while the combined
> population for the other 22 countries was 563.5
> million.
>
> There were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US and
> 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other countries.
>
> Of all the firearm deaths in these 23
> high-income countries in 2003, 80% occurred in the
> US.
>
> In the US:
>
> - The overall firearm death rate was 10.2 per
> 100,000, the overall firearm homicide rate 4.1 per
> 100,000, and the overall homicide rate 6.0 per
> 100,000, with firearm homicide rates highest
> persons 15 to 24 years of age.
>
> - The overall suicide rate was 10.8 per 100,000,
> and slightly over half of these deaths were
> firearm suicide (5.8 per 100,000).
>
> In the other high income countries:
>
> - The overall firearm death rate was 1.4 per
> 100,000, the overall firearm homicide rate 0.2 per
> 100,000, and the overall homicide rate 0.9 per
> 100,000. The firearm homicide rates were highest
> in the 25 year old to 34 year old age group.
>
> - The overall suicide rate was 14.9 per 100,000
> with an overall firearm suicide rate of 1.0 per
> 100,000.
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20571454
Two things:
1. Switzerland has more guns per capita than the US (with many households posessing fully automatic weapons as a requirement of their militia/military service), yet their murder rate is nowhere near our's. Thus, the number of guns or types of guns doesn't seem to the problem. The problem is we don't take care of our mentally ill, we marginalize them and we fill the brains of our kids with sex and violence from about 3 years old through TV, movies and video games.
2. About half the gun deaths in the US are suicide. Again, a measure of our dysfunctional society more so than guns. Guns have been a part of the US culture since the 1600's when Europeans first landed here.
There are people who want the government to regulate our lives. Keep dangerous things away from us, whether they be guns or 20 oz. soft drink cups. The weakness of the current crop of Americans is frightening. We are doomed.
Re: In 2003, there were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US v. 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other high-income countries with twice our population
Posted by:
People With Guns Kill People
()
Date: December 19, 2012 03:10PM
Chump Wrote:
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> Great study.
It's a far less biased study than any you could cite, asswipe.
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> Great study.
It's a far less biased study than any you could cite, asswipe.
Re: In 2003, there were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US v. 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other high-income countries with twice our population
Posted by:
People With Guns Kill People
()
Date: December 19, 2012 03:46PM
Less Miserable Wrote:
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> 1. Switzerland has more guns per capita than the
> US (with many households posessing fully automatic
> weapons as a requirement of their militia/military
> service), yet their murder rate is nowhere near
> our's.
True.
> Thus, the number of guns or types of guns
> doesn't seem to the problem.
Not for the Swiss. The US isn't Switzerland, however, and concluding that because gun-rich Switzerland has a low murder rate, the proliferation of guns here is blameless for our comparatively astronomical murder rate is called a 'fallacy'.
> 2. About half the gun deaths in the US are
> suicide. Again, a measure of our dysfunctional
> society more so than guns.
Actually, closer to 60% of all gun deaths in the US are suicides. Interestingly, the suicide rate in the other 22 wealthy countries in the study was nearly 50% higher than in the US, but just 1 in 15 involved guns, whereas 54% of US suicides were gun-related.
We like to use guns to hurt both ourselves and others.
> Guns have been a part of the US culture
> since the 1600's when Europeans
> first landed here.
Obviously, guns have been part of European culture for far longer, so I’m not sure what point you're trying to make here.
> There are people who want the government to
> regulate our lives. Keep dangerous things away
> from us, whether they be guns or 20 oz. soft drink
> cups. The weakness of the current crop of
> Americans is frightening. We are doomed.
Surely you would agree that some level of government regulation is a good thing. You wouldn’t want to have to worry at every meal whether the food you were eating was safe. You wouldn’t want to have to be concerned about the safety of the products you buy, like medicines for example, or cars.
At what point, to your mind, is the line crossed between useful, even necessary, government regulation and living in a “nanny state”?
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> 1. Switzerland has more guns per capita than the
> US (with many households posessing fully automatic
> weapons as a requirement of their militia/military
> service), yet their murder rate is nowhere near
> our's.
True.
> Thus, the number of guns or types of guns
> doesn't seem to the problem.
Not for the Swiss. The US isn't Switzerland, however, and concluding that because gun-rich Switzerland has a low murder rate, the proliferation of guns here is blameless for our comparatively astronomical murder rate is called a 'fallacy'.
> 2. About half the gun deaths in the US are
> suicide. Again, a measure of our dysfunctional
> society more so than guns.
Actually, closer to 60% of all gun deaths in the US are suicides. Interestingly, the suicide rate in the other 22 wealthy countries in the study was nearly 50% higher than in the US, but just 1 in 15 involved guns, whereas 54% of US suicides were gun-related.
We like to use guns to hurt both ourselves and others.
> Guns have been a part of the US culture
> since the 1600's when Europeans
> first landed here.
Obviously, guns have been part of European culture for far longer, so I’m not sure what point you're trying to make here.
> There are people who want the government to
> regulate our lives. Keep dangerous things away
> from us, whether they be guns or 20 oz. soft drink
> cups. The weakness of the current crop of
> Americans is frightening. We are doomed.
Surely you would agree that some level of government regulation is a good thing. You wouldn’t want to have to worry at every meal whether the food you were eating was safe. You wouldn’t want to have to be concerned about the safety of the products you buy, like medicines for example, or cars.
At what point, to your mind, is the line crossed between useful, even necessary, government regulation and living in a “nanny state”?
Re: In 2003, there were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US v. 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other high-income countries with twice our population
Posted by:
OnlyFagsReply
()
Date: December 19, 2012 04:17PM
There are too many incidents of murder without guns to say that gun control is the solution.
Murder is the common denominator.
Murder is the common denominator.
Re: In 2003, there were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US v. 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other high-income countries with twice our population
Posted by:
Less Miserable
()
Date: December 19, 2012 06:52PM
People With Guns Kill People Wrote:
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> Less Miserable Wrote:
> > Thus, the number of guns or types of guns
> > doesn't seem to the problem.
>
> Not for the Swiss. The US isn't Switzerland,
> however, and concluding that because gun-rich
> Switzerland has a low murder rate, the
> proliferation of guns here is blameless for our
> comparatively astronomical murder rate is called a
> 'fallacy'.
>
I didn't write that it was "blameless", I wrote that it wasn't THE problem. I went on to write that our devolving society is a part of the problem, which you didn't address. Let's start talking about controlling video games, TV shows, movies and what passes for music now days. Not just labling it, but putting strict controls on it such as what can go into a movie, what can go into a video game that is sold to the public. If we can control guns, let's control the whole shebang, not just the tool used at the end of this cycle of violence.
I also mentioned out abysmal record of helping the mentally unstable and ill in this country. Again, you ignored that.
>
> Obviously, guns have been part of European culture
> for far longer, so I’m not sure what point
> you're trying to make here.
Since you seem to have ignored my point about all the other contributing factors to our current crappy society, I'm not surprised that you don't get the point. The point is we've had guns in America for 400 years. Yet we're now seeing more and more savage killings with each one more disgusting that the last. It's not the guns or the NRA - we've had those for centuries/decades. Controlling private law-abiding citizens access to guns that criminals will have is a knee-jerk reaction. A feel-good panacea that leaves the underlying cancer alone to continue to eat away at societies soul.
>
> > There are people who want the government to
> > regulate our lives. Keep dangerous things away
> > from us, whether they be guns or 20 oz. soft
> drink
> > cups. The weakness of the current crop of
> > Americans is frightening. We are doomed.
>
> Surely you would agree that some level of
> government regulation is a good thing. You
> wouldn’t want to have to worry at every meal
> whether the food you were eating was safe. You
> wouldn’t want to have to be concerned about the
> safety of the products you buy, like medicines for
> example, or cars.
>
> At what point, to your mind, is the line crossed
> between useful, even necessary, government
> regulation and living in a “nanny state”?
In general, as long as I'm not hurting or threatening others, I should be left alone to do as I want. Anything that infringes on that crosses the line
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> Less Miserable Wrote:
> > Thus, the number of guns or types of guns
> > doesn't seem to the problem.
>
> Not for the Swiss. The US isn't Switzerland,
> however, and concluding that because gun-rich
> Switzerland has a low murder rate, the
> proliferation of guns here is blameless for our
> comparatively astronomical murder rate is called a
> 'fallacy'.
>
I didn't write that it was "blameless", I wrote that it wasn't THE problem. I went on to write that our devolving society is a part of the problem, which you didn't address. Let's start talking about controlling video games, TV shows, movies and what passes for music now days. Not just labling it, but putting strict controls on it such as what can go into a movie, what can go into a video game that is sold to the public. If we can control guns, let's control the whole shebang, not just the tool used at the end of this cycle of violence.
I also mentioned out abysmal record of helping the mentally unstable and ill in this country. Again, you ignored that.
>
> Obviously, guns have been part of European culture
> for far longer, so I’m not sure what point
> you're trying to make here.
Since you seem to have ignored my point about all the other contributing factors to our current crappy society, I'm not surprised that you don't get the point. The point is we've had guns in America for 400 years. Yet we're now seeing more and more savage killings with each one more disgusting that the last. It's not the guns or the NRA - we've had those for centuries/decades. Controlling private law-abiding citizens access to guns that criminals will have is a knee-jerk reaction. A feel-good panacea that leaves the underlying cancer alone to continue to eat away at societies soul.
>
> > There are people who want the government to
> > regulate our lives. Keep dangerous things away
> > from us, whether they be guns or 20 oz. soft
> drink
> > cups. The weakness of the current crop of
> > Americans is frightening. We are doomed.
>
> Surely you would agree that some level of
> government regulation is a good thing. You
> wouldn’t want to have to worry at every meal
> whether the food you were eating was safe. You
> wouldn’t want to have to be concerned about the
> safety of the products you buy, like medicines for
> example, or cars.
>
> At what point, to your mind, is the line crossed
> between useful, even necessary, government
> regulation and living in a “nanny state”?
In general, as long as I'm not hurting or threatening others, I should be left alone to do as I want. Anything that infringes on that crosses the line
Re: In 2003, there were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US v. 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other high-income countries with twice our population
Posted by:
Less Miserable
()
Date: December 19, 2012 06:55PM
OnlyFagsReply Wrote:
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> There are too many incidents of murder without
> guns to say that gun control is the solution.
>
> Murder is the common denominator.
Timothy McVeigh used a Ryder truck and fertilizer to kill 170 people. The 911 terrorists used box cutters and then airplanes to kill 3000.
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> There are too many incidents of murder without
> guns to say that gun control is the solution.
>
> Murder is the common denominator.
Timothy McVeigh used a Ryder truck and fertilizer to kill 170 people. The 911 terrorists used box cutters and then airplanes to kill 3000.
Re: In 2003, there were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US v. 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other high-income countries with twice our population
Posted by:
Less Miserable
()
Date: December 19, 2012 07:08PM
It seems the government is going to start looking at movies and video games...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/19/us-usa-shooting-connecticut-entertainmen-idUSBRE8BI1LU20121219
I wonder if the people screaming for gun control will scream for censorship of their entertainment as well. Somehow, I doubt it.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/19/us-usa-shooting-connecticut-entertainmen-idUSBRE8BI1LU20121219
I wonder if the people screaming for gun control will scream for censorship of their entertainment as well. Somehow, I doubt it.
Re: In 2003, there were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US v. 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other high-income countries with twice our population
Posted by:
PhXmF
()
Date: December 19, 2012 07:22PM
When looking at crime rates you really need to look at per-capita rates. And when you look at a specific method, it should be done in a context relative to other methods (i.e. does the US also have more knifings Is a dead victim less dead if they were stabbed to death versus shot)?
Re: In 2003, there were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US v. 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other high-income countries with twice our population
Posted by:
hopefully theyll get you somday
()
Date: December 19, 2012 07:59PM
People With Guns Kill People Wrote:
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> A study of firearm deaths in high income countries
> (Australia, Austria, Canada, Czech Republic,
> Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Italy,
> Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand,
> Norway, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, United
> Kingdom (England and Wales), United Kingdom
> (Northern Ireland), United Kingdom (Scotland), and
> the United States) was conducted with data from
> the World Health Organization assembled by the WHO
> from the official national statistics of each
> individual country from 2003 (Richardson and
> Hemenway, 2011).
>
> The total population for the United States for
> 2003 was 290.8 million while the combined
> population for the other 22 countries was 563.5
> million.
>
> There were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US and
> 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other countries.
>
> Of all the firearm deaths in these 23
> high-income countries in 2003, 80% occurred in the
> US.
>
> In the US:
>
> - The overall firearm death rate was 10.2 per
> 100,000, the overall firearm homicide rate 4.1 per
> 100,000, and the overall homicide rate 6.0 per
> 100,000, with firearm homicide rates highest
> persons 15 to 24 years of age.
>
> - The overall suicide rate was 10.8 per 100,000,
> and slightly over half of these deaths were
> firearm suicide (5.8 per 100,000).
>
> In the other high income countries:
>
> - The overall firearm death rate was 1.4 per
> 100,000, the overall firearm homicide rate 0.2 per
> 100,000, and the overall homicide rate 0.9 per
> 100,000. The firearm homicide rates were highest
> in the 25 year old to 34 year old age group.
>
> - The overall suicide rate was 14.9 per 100,000
> with an overall firearm suicide rate of 1.0 per
> 100,000.
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20571454
and hopefully someday someone with a gun will kill your dumb libral ass!!
-------------------------------------------------------
> A study of firearm deaths in high income countries
> (Australia, Austria, Canada, Czech Republic,
> Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Italy,
> Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand,
> Norway, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, United
> Kingdom (England and Wales), United Kingdom
> (Northern Ireland), United Kingdom (Scotland), and
> the United States) was conducted with data from
> the World Health Organization assembled by the WHO
> from the official national statistics of each
> individual country from 2003 (Richardson and
> Hemenway, 2011).
>
> The total population for the United States for
> 2003 was 290.8 million while the combined
> population for the other 22 countries was 563.5
> million.
>
> There were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US and
> 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other countries.
>
> Of all the firearm deaths in these 23
> high-income countries in 2003, 80% occurred in the
> US.
>
> In the US:
>
> - The overall firearm death rate was 10.2 per
> 100,000, the overall firearm homicide rate 4.1 per
> 100,000, and the overall homicide rate 6.0 per
> 100,000, with firearm homicide rates highest
> persons 15 to 24 years of age.
>
> - The overall suicide rate was 10.8 per 100,000,
> and slightly over half of these deaths were
> firearm suicide (5.8 per 100,000).
>
> In the other high income countries:
>
> - The overall firearm death rate was 1.4 per
> 100,000, the overall firearm homicide rate 0.2 per
> 100,000, and the overall homicide rate 0.9 per
> 100,000. The firearm homicide rates were highest
> in the 25 year old to 34 year old age group.
>
> - The overall suicide rate was 14.9 per 100,000
> with an overall firearm suicide rate of 1.0 per
> 100,000.
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20571454
and hopefully someday someone with a gun will kill your dumb libral ass!!
Re: In 2003, there were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US v. 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other high-income countries with twice our population
Posted by:
FullyInformed
()
Date: December 19, 2012 09:25PM
People With Guns Kill People Wrote:
> There were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US and
> 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other countries.
2003? Almost 10 years ago.
Here are some more current facts, for the year 2011, to put things into perspective:
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There were 8,583 murders by firearms in the US.
Only 4.15% of those, were by a rifle of any type (i.e. 'assault rifle', 'hunting rifle')
1,371 more people were murdered by knives than by rifles.
More than twice as many people were murdered with fists/hands/legs than with rifles.
More people were murdered with blunt instruments than with rifles.
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Some other somewhat random stats:
On average, 3,533 people drown every year, in non-boating accidents (i.e pools, bathtubs, etc). On average 700 of those are children under 14.
In 2010, 10,228 people died as a result of drunk driving. That was 1,354 more than died from all firearms that year. 211 of the dead were children.
The US population in 2011 was approximately 310,000,000. In England and Wales in 2011, it was approximately 56,100,000. So the US has roughly 5.5 X the population of the England/Wales
In 2011 there were 636 murders in England and Wales. Adjusting for population size, this would equate to a US rate of 3,498 murders. The actual US murder total was 12,664.
In Eng/Wales, approximately 34 people were murdered by guns in 2011. During that same time, 200 people were murdered with knives. 4,490 people were admitted to
hospitals due to assault by a sharp object.
From June 2011-June 2012, there were 29,613 knife crimes (robbery, stabbings, etc) in England/Wales.
Even with some of the world's most restrictive gun laws, England had a mass murder/shooting In 2010 when Derrick Bird shot and killed 12 people in Cumbria.
Sources:
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/water-safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0805923
http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/Sn04304
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/19/murder-rate-rose-5-percent
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/16/england-wales-population-rises
http://www.citizensreportuk.org/reports/murders-fatal-violence-uk.html
http://www.nhtsa.gov/About+NHTSA/Press+Releases/U.S.+Transportation+Secretary+LaHood+Announces+Lowest+Level+Of+Annual+Traffic+Fatalities+In+More+Than+Six+Decades
http://www.madd.org/statistics/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbria_shootings
> There were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US and
> 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other countries.
2003? Almost 10 years ago.
Here are some more current facts, for the year 2011, to put things into perspective:
__________________________________________________________
There were 8,583 murders by firearms in the US.
Only 4.15% of those, were by a rifle of any type (i.e. 'assault rifle', 'hunting rifle')
1,371 more people were murdered by knives than by rifles.
More than twice as many people were murdered with fists/hands/legs than with rifles.
More people were murdered with blunt instruments than with rifles.
__________________________________________________________
Some other somewhat random stats:
On average, 3,533 people drown every year, in non-boating accidents (i.e pools, bathtubs, etc). On average 700 of those are children under 14.
In 2010, 10,228 people died as a result of drunk driving. That was 1,354 more than died from all firearms that year. 211 of the dead were children.
The US population in 2011 was approximately 310,000,000. In England and Wales in 2011, it was approximately 56,100,000. So the US has roughly 5.5 X the population of the England/Wales
In 2011 there were 636 murders in England and Wales. Adjusting for population size, this would equate to a US rate of 3,498 murders. The actual US murder total was 12,664.
In Eng/Wales, approximately 34 people were murdered by guns in 2011. During that same time, 200 people were murdered with knives. 4,490 people were admitted to
hospitals due to assault by a sharp object.
From June 2011-June 2012, there were 29,613 knife crimes (robbery, stabbings, etc) in England/Wales.
Even with some of the world's most restrictive gun laws, England had a mass murder/shooting In 2010 when Derrick Bird shot and killed 12 people in Cumbria.
Sources:
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/water-safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0805923
http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/Sn04304
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/19/murder-rate-rose-5-percent
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/16/england-wales-population-rises
http://www.citizensreportuk.org/reports/murders-fatal-violence-uk.html
http://www.nhtsa.gov/About+NHTSA/Press+Releases/U.S.+Transportation+Secretary+LaHood+Announces+Lowest+Level+Of+Annual+Traffic+Fatalities+In+More+Than+Six+Decades
http://www.madd.org/statistics/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbria_shootings
Re: In 2003, there were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US v. 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other high-income countries with twice our population
Posted by:
James Madison
()
Date: December 19, 2012 09:28PM
Less Miserable Wrote:
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> It seems the government is going to start looking
> at movies and video games...
>
> http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/19/us-usa-s
> hooting-connecticut-entertainmen-idUSBRE8BI1LU2012
> 1219
>
>
> I wonder if the people screaming for gun control
> will scream for censorship of their entertainment
> as well. Somehow, I doubt it.
You're kidding right? Most of them were ready to scrap freedom of speech just because some bogus excuse of a video might have hurt Muslim feelings.
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> It seems the government is going to start looking
> at movies and video games...
>
> http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/19/us-usa-s
> hooting-connecticut-entertainmen-idUSBRE8BI1LU2012
> 1219
>
>
> I wonder if the people screaming for gun control
> will scream for censorship of their entertainment
> as well. Somehow, I doubt it.
You're kidding right? Most of them were ready to scrap freedom of speech just because some bogus excuse of a video might have hurt Muslim feelings.
Re: In 2003, there were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US v. 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other high-income countries with twice our population
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: December 20, 2012 01:50PM
You're ignoring the 1,684 murders committed with "Other gusn" and "Firearms, type not stated" Some of those were no doubt committed with a rifle.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/20/2012 02:01PM by Lt Col Obvious.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/20/2012 02:01PM by Lt Col Obvious.
Re: In 2003, there were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US v. 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other high-income countries with twice our population
Posted by:
FullyInformed
()
Date: December 20, 2012 08:10PM
Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
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> You're ignoring the 1,684 murders committed with
> "Other gusn" and "Firearms, type not stated" Some
> of those were no doubt committed with a rifle.
I didn't ignore them, but since it's impossible to say what they were, I just stuck to the facts that we actually know.
But since everyone LOOOVVVEEESSS conjecture.....
I think it would be reasonable to assume the breakdown of the unknown firearms is similar to the known. And rifles make up 3.76 % of the known firearms used in homicide.
That gives you an estimated 64 more rifles among the "unknown' firearms. Not much.
When American's shoot to kill, 3 out of 4 times it's with a handgun.
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> You're ignoring the 1,684 murders committed with
> "Other gusn" and "Firearms, type not stated" Some
> of those were no doubt committed with a rifle.
I didn't ignore them, but since it's impossible to say what they were, I just stuck to the facts that we actually know.
But since everyone LOOOVVVEEESSS conjecture.....
I think it would be reasonable to assume the breakdown of the unknown firearms is similar to the known. And rifles make up 3.76 % of the known firearms used in homicide.
That gives you an estimated 64 more rifles among the "unknown' firearms. Not much.
When American's shoot to kill, 3 out of 4 times it's with a handgun.