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Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Ronaldus Magnus
()
Date: June 20, 2012 10:32AM
I have one thing to say about the actions of these Ass Clowns.....................
4 more months.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/justice-dept-says-president-has-exerted-executive-privilege-over-fast-and-furious-documents/2012/06/20/gJQA83WFqV_story.html
4 more months.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/justice-dept-says-president-has-exerted-executive-privilege-over-fast-and-furious-documents/2012/06/20/gJQA83WFqV_story.html
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Milhouse
()
Date: June 20, 2012 10:50AM
This is going to be fun. I've already heard libs squawking about
GWB exercising the same thing but so did George Washington. Juicy! :)
GWB exercising the same thing but so did George Washington. Juicy! :)
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Ghost of John Negroponte
()
Date: June 20, 2012 10:57AM
Another Bush death squad and gun-running scandal covered up by O.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
BushAintPredentNow
()
Date: June 20, 2012 11:20AM
Contempt...impeach....removal from office.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: June 20, 2012 11:22AM
BushAintPredentNow Wrote:
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> Contempt...impeach....removal from office.
It was a Bush policy. At the very least, the Congress should have members of the Bush Administration who came up with the policy testifying.
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> Contempt...impeach....removal from office.
It was a Bush policy. At the very least, the Congress should have members of the Bush Administration who came up with the policy testifying.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
BushAintPresidentNow
()
Date: June 20, 2012 11:41AM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> BushAintPredentNow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Contempt...impeach....removal from office.
>
>
> It was a Bush policy. At the very least, the
> Congress should have members of the Bush
> Administration who came up with the policy
> testifying.
Obama is the President now. Not someone else. You can run but you can't hide.
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> BushAintPredentNow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Contempt...impeach....removal from office.
>
>
> It was a Bush policy. At the very least, the
> Congress should have members of the Bush
> Administration who came up with the policy
> testifying.
Obama is the President now. Not someone else. You can run but you can't hide.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
AnnanDude
()
Date: June 20, 2012 11:53AM
And in doing so they just elevated the story 5X. NBC prime-time viewers had only heard one brief story to date. They definitely will now.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
DMMwK
()
Date: June 20, 2012 11:55AM
If it was really a Bush policy, then that will come out, and Bush should be prosecuted. (Not sure what the laws are about going after someone after they have left that particular office, though.) But that doesn't help Obama or Holder. They continued and expanded and executed the program, and they will be held accountable. Obama and Holder will go to prison.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
AnnanDude
()
Date: June 20, 2012 12:04PM
DMMwK Wrote:
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> If it was really a Bush policy, then that will
> come out, and Bush should be prosecuted. (Not
> sure what the laws are about going after someone
> after they have left that particular office,
> though.) But that doesn't help Obama or Holder.
> They continued and expanded and executed the
> program, and they will be held accountable. Obama
> and Holder will go to prison.
I'm not typically a conspiracy type, but I think that it will come out that there was at least some tie to a coordinated effort by the anti-gun side to cast the flow of weapons to Mexico as a basis for increasing restrictions here. There are just too many 'coincidental' comments using exactly the same talking points made by Feinstein and others at that same time. If you remember back that was when they were holding hearings and generally pushing that issue. But nothing in politics these days happens by 'coincidence.'
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> If it was really a Bush policy, then that will
> come out, and Bush should be prosecuted. (Not
> sure what the laws are about going after someone
> after they have left that particular office,
> though.) But that doesn't help Obama or Holder.
> They continued and expanded and executed the
> program, and they will be held accountable. Obama
> and Holder will go to prison.
I'm not typically a conspiracy type, but I think that it will come out that there was at least some tie to a coordinated effort by the anti-gun side to cast the flow of weapons to Mexico as a basis for increasing restrictions here. There are just too many 'coincidental' comments using exactly the same talking points made by Feinstein and others at that same time. If you remember back that was when they were holding hearings and generally pushing that issue. But nothing in politics these days happens by 'coincidence.'
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
in the know
()
Date: June 20, 2012 12:11PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> BushAintPredentNow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Contempt...impeach....removal from office.
>
>
> It was a Bush policy. At the very least, the
> Congress should have members of the Bush
> Administration who came up with the policy
> testifying.
Wide Reciever was a much smaller operation and was concocted at the field level. It is unproven and unsubstantiated that anyone inside main Justice under the Bush administration knew of the operation. Once it was discovered by main Justice (under the Obama administration), Holder's top lieutenants irresponsibly expanded the operation.
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> BushAintPredentNow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Contempt...impeach....removal from office.
>
>
> It was a Bush policy. At the very least, the
> Congress should have members of the Bush
> Administration who came up with the policy
> testifying.
Wide Reciever was a much smaller operation and was concocted at the field level. It is unproven and unsubstantiated that anyone inside main Justice under the Bush administration knew of the operation. Once it was discovered by main Justice (under the Obama administration), Holder's top lieutenants irresponsibly expanded the operation.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
conVince
()
Date: June 20, 2012 12:17PM
Two days ago -
Obama: If you want a repeat of the failed policies of the last eight years, vote for Romney.
Today -
Obama: We invoke executive privilege because Bush did it.
Hmm. Seems they have no problem continuing Bush policies when it suits them. So why again is voting for Romney worse?
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twitter @EyeAmU
Obama: If you want a repeat of the failed policies of the last eight years, vote for Romney.
Today -
Obama: We invoke executive privilege because Bush did it.
Hmm. Seems they have no problem continuing Bush policies when it suits them. So why again is voting for Romney worse?
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Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Woopsies
()
Date: June 20, 2012 12:30PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> BushAintPredentNow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Contempt...impeach....removal from office.
>
>
> It was a Bush policy. At the very least, the
> Congress should have members of the Bush
> Administration who came up with the policy
> testifying.
Oops...
"Another retraction: Holder withdraws claim that Bush’s attorney general knew about gunwalking
Published: 12:09 PM 06/20/2012
In the wake of President Barack Obama asserting executive privilege to withhold Operation Fast and Furious documents from Congress, the Department of Justice has withdrawn a second statement made to Congress because it was inaccurate.
During last week’s Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Holder had alleged that former Attorney General Michael Mukasey knew of gunwalking during the George W. Bush administration.
“An attorney general who I suppose you would hold in higher regard was briefed on these kinds of tactics in an operation called Wide Receiver and did nothing to stop them — nothing,” Holder told Texas Republican Sen. John Cornyn during that hearing. “Three hundred guns, at least, walked in that instance.”
After the hearing, Grassley wrote to Holder asking him to provide evidence to back up his blaming Mukasey.
Instead of being able to facilitate evidence, though, according to Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley’s office, Holder and the DOJ have now retracted that statement."
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> BushAintPredentNow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Contempt...impeach....removal from office.
>
>
> It was a Bush policy. At the very least, the
> Congress should have members of the Bush
> Administration who came up with the policy
> testifying.
Oops...
"Another retraction: Holder withdraws claim that Bush’s attorney general knew about gunwalking
Published: 12:09 PM 06/20/2012
In the wake of President Barack Obama asserting executive privilege to withhold Operation Fast and Furious documents from Congress, the Department of Justice has withdrawn a second statement made to Congress because it was inaccurate.
During last week’s Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Holder had alleged that former Attorney General Michael Mukasey knew of gunwalking during the George W. Bush administration.
“An attorney general who I suppose you would hold in higher regard was briefed on these kinds of tactics in an operation called Wide Receiver and did nothing to stop them — nothing,” Holder told Texas Republican Sen. John Cornyn during that hearing. “Three hundred guns, at least, walked in that instance.”
After the hearing, Grassley wrote to Holder asking him to provide evidence to back up his blaming Mukasey.
Instead of being able to facilitate evidence, though, according to Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley’s office, Holder and the DOJ have now retracted that statement."
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: June 20, 2012 12:34PM
Doesn't change the fact it was still a Bush initiative. Yes, the gun walking may have occurred on Holders watch. But the criticism is of the concept of the whole thing...like this should have been expected to happen.
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Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
in the know
()
Date: June 20, 2012 12:37PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Doesn't change the fact it was still a Bush
> initiative. Yes, the gun walking may have occurred
> on Holders watch. But the criticism is of the
> concept of the whole thing...like this should have
> been expected to happen.
Perhaps you are having trouble following along. As I mentioned earlier: Wide Reciever was a much smaller operation and was concocted at the field level. It is unproven and unsubstantiated that anyone inside main Justice under the Bush administration knew of the operation. Once it was discovered by main Justice (under the Obama administration), Holder's top lieutenants irresponsibly expanded the operation.
You can't really call something a Bush initiative if none of his appointees knew about, let alone authorized such an initiative. I suppose if a government worker took a piss everyday at 3 pm during the Bush Presidency, you'd have called that a "Bush initiative" as well. Dummy.
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> Doesn't change the fact it was still a Bush
> initiative. Yes, the gun walking may have occurred
> on Holders watch. But the criticism is of the
> concept of the whole thing...like this should have
> been expected to happen.
Perhaps you are having trouble following along. As I mentioned earlier: Wide Reciever was a much smaller operation and was concocted at the field level. It is unproven and unsubstantiated that anyone inside main Justice under the Bush administration knew of the operation. Once it was discovered by main Justice (under the Obama administration), Holder's top lieutenants irresponsibly expanded the operation.
You can't really call something a Bush initiative if none of his appointees knew about, let alone authorized such an initiative. I suppose if a government worker took a piss everyday at 3 pm during the Bush Presidency, you'd have called that a "Bush initiative" as well. Dummy.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Vexxxed
()
Date: June 20, 2012 12:38PM
How did Bush get back into the White House so he could force Obama to use executive privilege?
I don't recall Eric Holder working for GWB either.
I'll bet Mayflower of Baltimore is circling the beltway right now. Waiting to empty the White House in exchange for the bad pub they got in 1984.
I don't recall Eric Holder working for GWB either.
I'll bet Mayflower of Baltimore is circling the beltway right now. Waiting to empty the White House in exchange for the bad pub they got in 1984.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
in the know
()
Date: June 20, 2012 12:43PM
Vexxxed Wrote:
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> I don't recall Eric Holder working for GWB
> either.
Well, to be fair to the dimwits on the left, Holder was actually GWBs first AG - for about two weeks.
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> I don't recall Eric Holder working for GWB
> either.
Well, to be fair to the dimwits on the left, Holder was actually GWBs first AG - for about two weeks.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Vexxxed
()
Date: June 20, 2012 12:54PM
in the know Wrote:
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> Vexxxed Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't recall Eric Holder working for GWB
> > either.
>
> Well, to be fair to the dimwits on the left,
> Holder was actually GWBs first AG - for about two
> weeks.
Then I stand corrected. Thank you.
And if Holder did something wrong during that two weeks, I fully expect the left would have already pulled out a cross and long since sharpened their spikes.
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> Vexxxed Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't recall Eric Holder working for GWB
> > either.
>
> Well, to be fair to the dimwits on the left,
> Holder was actually GWBs first AG - for about two
> weeks.
Then I stand corrected. Thank you.
And if Holder did something wrong during that two weeks, I fully expect the left would have already pulled out a cross and long since sharpened their spikes.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
SMP
()
Date: June 20, 2012 01:01PM
Woopsies Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > BushAintPredentNow Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Contempt...impeach....removal from office.
> >
> >
> > It was a Bush policy. At the very least, the
> > Congress should have members of the Bush
> > Administration who came up with the policy
> > testifying.
>
> Oops...
>
> "Another retraction: Holder withdraws claim that
> Bush’s attorney general knew about gunwalking
>
> Published: 12:09 PM 06/20/2012
>
> In the wake of President Barack Obama asserting
> executive privilege to withhold Operation Fast and
> Furious documents from Congress, the Department of
> Justice has withdrawn a second statement made to
> Congress because it was inaccurate.
>
> During last week’s Senate Judiciary Committee
> hearing, Holder had alleged that former Attorney
> General Michael Mukasey knew of gunwalking during
> the George W. Bush administration.
>
> “An attorney general who I suppose you would
> hold in higher regard was briefed on these kinds
> of tactics in an operation called Wide Receiver
> and did nothing to stop them — nothing,”
> Holder told Texas Republican Sen. John Cornyn
> during that hearing. “Three hundred guns, at
> least, walked in that instance.”
>
> After the hearing, Grassley wrote to Holder asking
> him to provide evidence to back up his blaming
> Mukasey.
>
> Instead of being able to facilitate evidence,
> though, according to Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck
> Grassley’s office, Holder and the DOJ have now
> retracted that statement."
Oh what a tangled web we weave......Gotta love it.
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > BushAintPredentNow Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Contempt...impeach....removal from office.
> >
> >
> > It was a Bush policy. At the very least, the
> > Congress should have members of the Bush
> > Administration who came up with the policy
> > testifying.
>
> Oops...
>
> "Another retraction: Holder withdraws claim that
> Bush’s attorney general knew about gunwalking
>
> Published: 12:09 PM 06/20/2012
>
> In the wake of President Barack Obama asserting
> executive privilege to withhold Operation Fast and
> Furious documents from Congress, the Department of
> Justice has withdrawn a second statement made to
> Congress because it was inaccurate.
>
> During last week’s Senate Judiciary Committee
> hearing, Holder had alleged that former Attorney
> General Michael Mukasey knew of gunwalking during
> the George W. Bush administration.
>
> “An attorney general who I suppose you would
> hold in higher regard was briefed on these kinds
> of tactics in an operation called Wide Receiver
> and did nothing to stop them — nothing,”
> Holder told Texas Republican Sen. John Cornyn
> during that hearing. “Three hundred guns, at
> least, walked in that instance.”
>
> After the hearing, Grassley wrote to Holder asking
> him to provide evidence to back up his blaming
> Mukasey.
>
> Instead of being able to facilitate evidence,
> though, according to Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck
> Grassley’s office, Holder and the DOJ have now
> retracted that statement."
Oh what a tangled web we weave......Gotta love it.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 20, 2012 01:08PM
If Bush initiated the operation, or his Justice Department did, drop the fucking documents. Throw Bush under the bus too, why not?
You can't hide from your previous positions, dickwad.
Eric Holder is a corrupt and agenda driven piece of shit.
You can't hide from your previous positions, dickwad.
Eric Holder is a corrupt and agenda driven piece of shit.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
TWTR
()
Date: June 20, 2012 02:12PM
Get a load of Gerry "ConMan" Connolly on Fast & Furious. Can you
believe this idiot? Does he think he's in DisneyLand or something?
Pathetic.
http://connolly.house.gov/news/statement-and-video-issas-contempt-proceedings-akin-to-kangaroo-court/
Hey GerryBoy! Where's the "Truth Squad" now? :)
believe this idiot? Does he think he's in DisneyLand or something?
Pathetic.
http://connolly.house.gov/news/statement-and-video-issas-contempt-proceedings-akin-to-kangaroo-court/
Hey GerryBoy! Where's the "Truth Squad" now? :)
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: June 20, 2012 02:21PM
It was stupid of Obama to continue the program, but it did, indeed, start under Bush and the Bush DOJ knew about it...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal
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Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
SniffSniff
()
Date: June 20, 2012 02:30PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> It was stupid of Obama to continue the program,
> but it did, indeed, start under Bush and the Bush
> DOJ knew about it...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scanda
>
Wah! Wah! Wah! It isn't Bush on the hotseat now. It's Obama/Holder. Got it?
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> It was stupid of Obama to continue the program,
> but it did, indeed, start under Bush and the Bush
> DOJ knew about it...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scanda
>
Wah! Wah! Wah! It isn't Bush on the hotseat now. It's Obama/Holder. Got it?
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
AnnanDude
()
Date: June 20, 2012 02:37PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> If Bush initiated the operation, or his Justice
> Department did, drop the fucking documents. Throw
> Bush under the bus too, why not?
>
> You can't hide from your previous positions,
> dickwad.
>
>
>
> Eric Holder is a corrupt and agenda driven piece
> of shit.
That seems to be the majority of the docs that they've received to date. That was the subject of much of the bitching. They've gotten a ton of stuff on Wide Receiver, but little on Fast and Furious.
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> If Bush initiated the operation, or his Justice
> Department did, drop the fucking documents. Throw
> Bush under the bus too, why not?
>
> You can't hide from your previous positions,
> dickwad.
>
>
>
> Eric Holder is a corrupt and agenda driven piece
> of shit.
That seems to be the majority of the docs that they've received to date. That was the subject of much of the bitching. They've gotten a ton of stuff on Wide Receiver, but little on Fast and Furious.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
in the know
()
Date: June 20, 2012 02:39PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> It was stupid of Obama to continue the program,
> but it did, indeed, start under Bush and the Bush
> DOJ knew about it...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scanda
> l
Nothing in your wikipedia entry indicates anyone at main Justice knew about this operation. No political appointees were aware of gun walking. This was done by a SAC in the field. Again, nobody at main Justice knew about it. You have noevidence to indicate otherwise.
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> It was stupid of Obama to continue the program,
> but it did, indeed, start under Bush and the Bush
> DOJ knew about it...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scanda
> l
Nothing in your wikipedia entry indicates anyone at main Justice knew about this operation. No political appointees were aware of gun walking. This was done by a SAC in the field. Again, nobody at main Justice knew about it. You have noevidence to indicate otherwise.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Wiki looky
()
Date: June 20, 2012 02:45PM
This was run by ATF. It was called Gun Runner. The fact is both the current and previous administration were fully behind this program, despite its obvious flaws in shutting down the cartels and drug-related militias.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 20, 2012 02:51PM
Acoording to Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley, Holder and Justice have retracted statements made that claimed Bush know about fast and Furious.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/holder-retracts-claim-bush-team-knew-about-fast-and-furious/article/2500157
Notice the words. This seems to indicate they knew about Wide Receiver but differentiates the two programs.
Interestingly, one of Justice Depts other major rettractions was "In December 2011, the Department retracted its claim that the ATF had not allowed illegally purchased guns to be trafficked to Mexico'
Pretty fucking obvious at this point that Eric Holder has a problem with truth and honesty and that Dumbo Ears is running blocking for him.
If you pay attention to human behavior and value personal integrity, I can't see how anyone could view Obama as anything but a craven liar and the worst of political animals.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/holder-retracts-claim-bush-team-knew-about-fast-and-furious/article/2500157
Notice the words. This seems to indicate they knew about Wide Receiver but differentiates the two programs.
Interestingly, one of Justice Depts other major rettractions was "In December 2011, the Department retracted its claim that the ATF had not allowed illegally purchased guns to be trafficked to Mexico'
Pretty fucking obvious at this point that Eric Holder has a problem with truth and honesty and that Dumbo Ears is running blocking for him.
If you pay attention to human behavior and value personal integrity, I can't see how anyone could view Obama as anything but a craven liar and the worst of political animals.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: June 20, 2012 02:59PM
in the know Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It was stupid of Obama to continue the program,
> > but it did, indeed, start under Bush and the
> Bush
> > DOJ knew about it...
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scanda
>
> > l
>
>
> Nothing in your wikipedia entry indicates anyone
> at main Justice knew about this operation. No
> political appointees were aware of gun walking.
> This was done by a SAC in the field. Again,
> nobody at main Justice knew about it. You have
> noevidence to indicate otherwise.
Justice knew because it reviewed potential cases.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It was stupid of Obama to continue the program,
> > but it did, indeed, start under Bush and the
> Bush
> > DOJ knew about it...
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scanda
>
> > l
>
>
> Nothing in your wikipedia entry indicates anyone
> at main Justice knew about this operation. No
> political appointees were aware of gun walking.
> This was done by a SAC in the field. Again,
> nobody at main Justice knew about it. You have
> noevidence to indicate otherwise.
Justice knew because it reviewed potential cases.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 20, 2012 02:59PM
And according to Chris Matthews, it's R-A-C-I-S-T.............
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
in the know
()
Date: June 20, 2012 03:01PM
Wiki looky Wrote:
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> This was run by ATF. It was called Gun Runner.
> The fact is both the current and previous
> administration were fully behind this program,
> despite its obvious flaws in shutting down the
> cartels and drug-related militias.
Fast and Furious was a component of Gunrunner started in 2009. F&F started after they discovered what the SAC in Phoenix did. Prior to that discovery in 2009, nobody at main Justice knew about this operation. It never crossed the desk of a Bush political appointee. In 2009, Jason Weinstein and Lanny Breuer (both Obama appointees) became aware of the existence of Wide Receiver. Prior to that, the highest it ever went was to third level management at ATF headquarters.
In short, Wide Reciever did occur during the Bush administration, but nobody at main Justice had an idea that this was going on.
Political appointees and very high up officials in the Obama administration knew about and authorized Fast and Furious.
Now you won't look so stupid in the company of adults.
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> This was run by ATF. It was called Gun Runner.
> The fact is both the current and previous
> administration were fully behind this program,
> despite its obvious flaws in shutting down the
> cartels and drug-related militias.
Fast and Furious was a component of Gunrunner started in 2009. F&F started after they discovered what the SAC in Phoenix did. Prior to that discovery in 2009, nobody at main Justice knew about this operation. It never crossed the desk of a Bush political appointee. In 2009, Jason Weinstein and Lanny Breuer (both Obama appointees) became aware of the existence of Wide Receiver. Prior to that, the highest it ever went was to third level management at ATF headquarters.
In short, Wide Reciever did occur during the Bush administration, but nobody at main Justice had an idea that this was going on.
Political appointees and very high up officials in the Obama administration knew about and authorized Fast and Furious.
Now you won't look so stupid in the company of adults.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
in the know
()
Date: June 20, 2012 03:07PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> in the know Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > It was stupid of Obama to continue the
> program,
> > > but it did, indeed, start under Bush and the
> > Bush
> > > DOJ knew about it...
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scanda
>
> >
> > > l
> >
> >
> > Nothing in your wikipedia entry indicates
> anyone
> > at main Justice knew about this operation. No
> > political appointees were aware of gun walking.
>
> > This was done by a SAC in the field. Again,
> > nobody at main Justice knew about it. You have
> > noevidence to indicate otherwise.
>
>
> Justice knew because it reviewed potential cases.
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> in the know Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > It was stupid of Obama to continue the
> program,
> > > but it did, indeed, start under Bush and the
> > Bush
> > > DOJ knew about it...
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scanda
>
> >
> > > l
> >
> >
> > Nothing in your wikipedia entry indicates
> anyone
> > at main Justice knew about this operation. No
> > political appointees were aware of gun walking.
>
> > This was done by a SAC in the field. Again,
> > nobody at main Justice knew about it. You have
> > noevidence to indicate otherwise.
>
>
> Justice knew because it reviewed potential cases.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
in the know
()
Date: June 20, 2012 03:11PM
in the know Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > in the know Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > It was stupid of Obama to continue the
> > program,
> > > > but it did, indeed, start under Bush and
> the
> > > Bush
> > > > DOJ knew about it...
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scanda
>
> >
> > >
> > > > l
> > >
> > >
> > > Nothing in your wikipedia entry indicates
> > anyone
> > > at main Justice knew about this operation.
> No
> > > political appointees were aware of gun
> walking.
> >
> > > This was done by a SAC in the field. Again,
> > > nobody at main Justice knew about it. You
> have
> > > noevidence to indicate otherwise.
> >
> >
> > Justice knew because it reviewed potential
> cases.
Your own wiki entry indicates "the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver in September 2009."
I know you have been brainwashed to blame Bush for everything, but there is no evidence indicating that senior administration officials knew about this operation.
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > in the know Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > It was stupid of Obama to continue the
> > program,
> > > > but it did, indeed, start under Bush and
> the
> > > Bush
> > > > DOJ knew about it...
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scanda
>
> >
> > >
> > > > l
> > >
> > >
> > > Nothing in your wikipedia entry indicates
> > anyone
> > > at main Justice knew about this operation.
> No
> > > political appointees were aware of gun
> walking.
> >
> > > This was done by a SAC in the field. Again,
> > > nobody at main Justice knew about it. You
> have
> > > noevidence to indicate otherwise.
> >
> >
> > Justice knew because it reviewed potential
> cases.
Your own wiki entry indicates "the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver in September 2009."
I know you have been brainwashed to blame Bush for everything, but there is no evidence indicating that senior administration officials knew about this operation.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Ronaldus Magnus
()
Date: June 20, 2012 03:19PM
The Gw Bush Adm. had 0 to do with this operation and there is 0 evidence other than Holder running his fucking cock hole last week (then subsequently walking it back) to prove otherwise.
The fact is this was an attempt by the Obama administration to embarrass Arizona and AZ's Governor Jan Brewer. Especially at a time when the illegal immigrant issue was in full swing.
Fast and furious goals were thus two fold. Attack Jan Brewer and the AZ legislature and ramp up hard against the second amendment. These stupid fucks (Obama & Holder) think that they are a whole hell of a lot smarter than they actually are.
Their first mistake was to let too many operatives get involved in the scheme. Loose lips sink ships and this is a perfect example. Too many lips knew about Fast and Furious.Rookie mistakes by Obama and Holder.
Now they are proving that they are even worse in trying to cover the whole pile of excrement up.
My God what a disaster. In just a few days everything is coming completely unraveled for President Obama. A double blow. "Dreams Of My Father" is a fiction novel at best making Obama's entire life as he presented it a lie. Simultaneously he is backed into a legal corner to the point of contempt with the F&F drama.
Holder will now have to go. I think they will try to run out the clock out knowing that their re-election chances are evaporating before their eyes.
At least the gun running during Iran / Contra was going to the freedom fighters in Central America and not targeting the freedom and constitutional rights of law abiding citizens of the United States Of America.
Now we have a dead border agent and who knows how many more on both sides of the border. This is what people can go to hell for.
The fact is this was an attempt by the Obama administration to embarrass Arizona and AZ's Governor Jan Brewer. Especially at a time when the illegal immigrant issue was in full swing.
Fast and furious goals were thus two fold. Attack Jan Brewer and the AZ legislature and ramp up hard against the second amendment. These stupid fucks (Obama & Holder) think that they are a whole hell of a lot smarter than they actually are.
Their first mistake was to let too many operatives get involved in the scheme. Loose lips sink ships and this is a perfect example. Too many lips knew about Fast and Furious.Rookie mistakes by Obama and Holder.
Now they are proving that they are even worse in trying to cover the whole pile of excrement up.
My God what a disaster. In just a few days everything is coming completely unraveled for President Obama. A double blow. "Dreams Of My Father" is a fiction novel at best making Obama's entire life as he presented it a lie. Simultaneously he is backed into a legal corner to the point of contempt with the F&F drama.
Holder will now have to go. I think they will try to run out the clock out knowing that their re-election chances are evaporating before their eyes.
At least the gun running during Iran / Contra was going to the freedom fighters in Central America and not targeting the freedom and constitutional rights of law abiding citizens of the United States Of America.
Now we have a dead border agent and who knows how many more on both sides of the border. This is what people can go to hell for.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Obama will regret this favor in November
()
Date: June 20, 2012 04:47PM
One word describes Holder, arrogant, come in with a get out of jail free card,reminds me of the scene from Clear and Present danger.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
most confusing
()
Date: June 20, 2012 05:20PM
He needs executive privilege to not talk about something he knows nothing about?
Things arent looking too good for Barry. I figure he is about to play the race card anyday now. Esp with Holder involved.
Attachments:
Things arent looking too good for Barry. I figure he is about to play the race card anyday now. Esp with Holder involved.
Attachments:
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 21, 2012 08:32AM
most confusing Wrote:
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> He needs executive privilege to not talk about
> something he knows nothing about?
>
> Things arent looking too good for Barry. I figure
> he is about to play the race card anyday now. Esp
> with Holder involved.
Exactly...
They have "nothing to hide" and the documents released are not being made public, as in a FOIA- the docs are going to investigators within COngress.
And the history of the program was supposed to implicate Bush, though that has been retracted.
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> He needs executive privilege to not talk about
> something he knows nothing about?
>
> Things arent looking too good for Barry. I figure
> he is about to play the race card anyday now. Esp
> with Holder involved.
Exactly...
They have "nothing to hide" and the documents released are not being made public, as in a FOIA- the docs are going to investigators within COngress.
And the history of the program was supposed to implicate Bush, though that has been retracted.
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Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Bush Whacked Again!
()
Date: June 21, 2012 08:43AM
Who the fuck in the Bush administration thought selling weapons, not just any weapons, but ASSAULT rifles, to Mexican drug cartels was a good idea for tracking purposes?????? WTF????
I'm wouldn't be surprised now to find out that the Bush administration was helping the cartels smuggle drugs. WTF is wrong with people????
And the Bush administration called the program a success and Obama continued it??? WTF???
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/programs/project-gunrunner/
Gun trafficking to Mexico is a nationwide problem with consequences on both sides of the border. In response, ATF implemented Project Gunrunner in 2006 as a comprehensive strategy to reduce firearms and explosives related violent crime associated with Mexican criminal organizations operating in the U.S. and Mexico by preventing these organizations from unlawfully acquiring and trafficking firearms and explosives. Through Project Gunrunner, ATF works in conjunction with its domestic and international law enforcement partners to identify, disrupt, and dismantle the firearms and explosives trafficking infrastructure of criminal organizations operating in Mexico, along the border, and other areas of the U.S.
Project Gunrunner’s objective is to deny Mexican drug cartels the tools of the trade, which they employ to murder rival drug traffickers, civilians, as well as political, military, and law enforcement figures in order to strengthen their grip on the lucrative drug and firearms routes into and out of the United States.
The cornerstone of Project Gunrunner is intelligence-led firearms trafficking investigations. This process involves the collection of information from a variety of sources such as Federal Firearms Licensees, ballistic and forensic analysis, and data derived from firearms tracing in addition to traditional intelligence sources and methods. This information is then synthesized, analyzed and appropriate leads are disseminated to ATF field offices for investigative action. The information is also shared with our Federal, State, local and tribal partners, as well as our Mexican law enforcement counterparts, each contributing their unique capabilities and resources, forming a multi-layered, comprehensive approach to disrupting firearms trafficking and drug-related violence.
I'm wouldn't be surprised now to find out that the Bush administration was helping the cartels smuggle drugs. WTF is wrong with people????
And the Bush administration called the program a success and Obama continued it??? WTF???
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/programs/project-gunrunner/
Gun trafficking to Mexico is a nationwide problem with consequences on both sides of the border. In response, ATF implemented Project Gunrunner in 2006 as a comprehensive strategy to reduce firearms and explosives related violent crime associated with Mexican criminal organizations operating in the U.S. and Mexico by preventing these organizations from unlawfully acquiring and trafficking firearms and explosives. Through Project Gunrunner, ATF works in conjunction with its domestic and international law enforcement partners to identify, disrupt, and dismantle the firearms and explosives trafficking infrastructure of criminal organizations operating in Mexico, along the border, and other areas of the U.S.
Project Gunrunner’s objective is to deny Mexican drug cartels the tools of the trade, which they employ to murder rival drug traffickers, civilians, as well as political, military, and law enforcement figures in order to strengthen their grip on the lucrative drug and firearms routes into and out of the United States.
The cornerstone of Project Gunrunner is intelligence-led firearms trafficking investigations. This process involves the collection of information from a variety of sources such as Federal Firearms Licensees, ballistic and forensic analysis, and data derived from firearms tracing in addition to traditional intelligence sources and methods. This information is then synthesized, analyzed and appropriate leads are disseminated to ATF field offices for investigative action. The information is also shared with our Federal, State, local and tribal partners, as well as our Mexican law enforcement counterparts, each contributing their unique capabilities and resources, forming a multi-layered, comprehensive approach to disrupting firearms trafficking and drug-related violence.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Bush Whacked Again!
()
Date: June 21, 2012 08:51AM
Republicans are not after the gunrunning program, they are after names in the documents that can cut off. Specifically the name of the person(s) in the NRA that leaked the republican program.
Republicans want to cut off a mole in the NRA.
Republicans want to cut off a mole in the NRA.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Charleton Heston
()
Date: June 21, 2012 08:54AM
I remember when they were trying to blame the NRA for all
the guns going to Mexico. Oh yeah, let's demonize them and all
gun owners for that matter. Lets really crack down and pass
more draconian gun laws. Follow the money. I smell Tides Foundation,
the Violence Policy Center and George $oro$ all over this. Ha!
the guns going to Mexico. Oh yeah, let's demonize them and all
gun owners for that matter. Lets really crack down and pass
more draconian gun laws. Follow the money. I smell Tides Foundation,
the Violence Policy Center and George $oro$ all over this. Ha!
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Black Ops
()
Date: June 21, 2012 09:07AM
Charleton Heston Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I remember when they were trying to blame the NRA
> for all
> the guns going to Mexico. Oh yeah, let's demonize
> them and all
> gun owners for that matter. Lets really crack down
> and pass
> more draconian gun laws. Follow the money. I smell
> Tides Foundation,
> the Violence Policy Center and George $oro$ all
> over this. Ha!
I have a hard time believing that Mexican drug cartels are getting most of their guns from the US. With all the contra's and foreign covert OPs I would think that South America would be better for buying guns.
This must of been some CIA\NSA bullshit under the new "Homeland Security Administration."
-------------------------------------------------------
> I remember when they were trying to blame the NRA
> for all
> the guns going to Mexico. Oh yeah, let's demonize
> them and all
> gun owners for that matter. Lets really crack down
> and pass
> more draconian gun laws. Follow the money. I smell
> Tides Foundation,
> the Violence Policy Center and George $oro$ all
> over this. Ha!
I have a hard time believing that Mexican drug cartels are getting most of their guns from the US. With all the contra's and foreign covert OPs I would think that South America would be better for buying guns.
This must of been some CIA\NSA bullshit under the new "Homeland Security Administration."
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 21, 2012 09:15AM
IS it possible that Owebama and Holder are falling on the sword and protecting not only themselves, but Bush administration antics?
I'd think that if they could lay some more shit on Bush, they would, thats basically been Obama's presidency.
I'd think that if they could lay some more shit on Bush, they would, thats basically been Obama's presidency.
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Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Charleton Heston
()
Date: June 21, 2012 09:18AM
Black Ops Wrote:
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> Charleton Heston Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I remember when they were trying to blame the
> NRA
> > for all
> > the guns going to Mexico. Oh yeah, let's
> demonize
> > them and all
> > gun owners for that matter. Lets really crack
> down
> > and pass
> > more draconian gun laws. Follow the money. I
> smell
> > Tides Foundation,
> > the Violence Policy Center and George $oro$ all
> > over this. Ha!
>
> I have a hard time believing that Mexican drug
> cartels are getting most of their guns from the
> US. With all the contra's and foreign covert OPs
> I would think that South America would be better
> for buying guns.
>
> This must of been some CIA\NSA bullshit under the
> new "Homeland Security Administration."
You're right, especially when a majority of AK's they were getting
were fully automatic. You don't just walk into a gun shop and buy
one of those. Lots of hoops to jump through.
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> Charleton Heston Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I remember when they were trying to blame the
> NRA
> > for all
> > the guns going to Mexico. Oh yeah, let's
> demonize
> > them and all
> > gun owners for that matter. Lets really crack
> down
> > and pass
> > more draconian gun laws. Follow the money. I
> smell
> > Tides Foundation,
> > the Violence Policy Center and George $oro$ all
> > over this. Ha!
>
> I have a hard time believing that Mexican drug
> cartels are getting most of their guns from the
> US. With all the contra's and foreign covert OPs
> I would think that South America would be better
> for buying guns.
>
> This must of been some CIA\NSA bullshit under the
> new "Homeland Security Administration."
You're right, especially when a majority of AK's they were getting
were fully automatic. You don't just walk into a gun shop and buy
one of those. Lots of hoops to jump through.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Ronaldus Magnus
()
Date: June 21, 2012 09:37AM
WingNut Wrote:
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> IS it possible that Owebama and Holder are falling
> on the sword and protecting not only themselves,
> but Bush administration antics?
>
> I'd think that if they could lay some more shit on
> Bush, they would, thats basically been Obama's
> presidency.
There is no doubt.
If this was a Bush administration policy/operation in theory or inception, you could bet your first born every last morsel of evidence would have been disclosed as soon as Obama could figure out how to read it off the teleprompter.
You sure as fuck wouldn't need the FOIA he would be screaming from the roof of the fucking White House.
The stupid fucking assholes can't keep a secret worth a shit. Who is leaking what? Leon Panetta? Fuck every one of these ass holes. They are enemies of America and every last tenant and principle that have made this country great.
Anyone who still has the unmitigated stupidity to continue to support and apologize for these creeps should be marked and avoided. Fuck what a mess!
It really makes Obama look strong on the world stage now doesn't it?
Oh yea and also the United States Of America.
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> IS it possible that Owebama and Holder are falling
> on the sword and protecting not only themselves,
> but Bush administration antics?
>
> I'd think that if they could lay some more shit on
> Bush, they would, thats basically been Obama's
> presidency.
There is no doubt.
If this was a Bush administration policy/operation in theory or inception, you could bet your first born every last morsel of evidence would have been disclosed as soon as Obama could figure out how to read it off the teleprompter.
You sure as fuck wouldn't need the FOIA he would be screaming from the roof of the fucking White House.
The stupid fucking assholes can't keep a secret worth a shit. Who is leaking what? Leon Panetta? Fuck every one of these ass holes. They are enemies of America and every last tenant and principle that have made this country great.
Anyone who still has the unmitigated stupidity to continue to support and apologize for these creeps should be marked and avoided. Fuck what a mess!
It really makes Obama look strong on the world stage now doesn't it?
Oh yea and also the United States Of America.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Charleton Heston
()
Date: June 21, 2012 11:05AM
Turned on the tube a while ago and they were in the
middle of an interview with a Chuckie Schoomer aide.
Didn't catch his name but this boy is one step away
from a major corornary. He's so mad I thought they
were going to have to throw a bucket of cold water
on him. I love this. Too much fun. What goes around
comes around.
BTW, Gerry I know you're reading these posts. Hows about
a press conference? Your performance yesterday was a
real hoot.
middle of an interview with a Chuckie Schoomer aide.
Didn't catch his name but this boy is one step away
from a major corornary. He's so mad I thought they
were going to have to throw a bucket of cold water
on him. I love this. Too much fun. What goes around
comes around.
BTW, Gerry I know you're reading these posts. Hows about
a press conference? Your performance yesterday was a
real hoot.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Privilige
()
Date: June 21, 2012 11:37AM
Ronaldus Magnus Wrote:
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> If this was a Bush administration policy/operation
> in theory or inception, you could bet your first
> born every last morsel of evidence would have been
> disclosed as soon as Obama could figure out how to
> read it off the teleprompter.
That hasn't been the strategy of the Obama Administration(OA). OA let's the issues get huge in the news, gather good intel to destroy and then they drop the bomb shell that makes republicans look like fools at a primetime.
Take a look at the long form birth certificate. Obama waited for Trump and then when it became a huge political issue and republicans were all hitting the news circuit he dropped the bomb to silence Trump supporters.
The OA motto seems to be "Wait until we really have to release information."
-------------------------------------------------------
> If this was a Bush administration policy/operation
> in theory or inception, you could bet your first
> born every last morsel of evidence would have been
> disclosed as soon as Obama could figure out how to
> read it off the teleprompter.
That hasn't been the strategy of the Obama Administration(OA). OA let's the issues get huge in the news, gather good intel to destroy and then they drop the bomb shell that makes republicans look like fools at a primetime.
Take a look at the long form birth certificate. Obama waited for Trump and then when it became a huge political issue and republicans were all hitting the news circuit he dropped the bomb to silence Trump supporters.
The OA motto seems to be "Wait until we really have to release information."
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
in the know
()
Date: June 21, 2012 11:46AM
Bush Whacked Again! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Who the fuck in the Bush administration thought
> selling weapons, not just any weapons, but ASSAULT
> rifles, to Mexican drug cartels was a good idea
> for tracking purposes?????? WTF????
Exactly. Name one Bush official that knew about gun walking at that time. I can name you at least two Obama appointees that knew about and encouraged gun walking. Gunrunner did not involve letting guns walk. It was an intelligence diven and inspection driven process. A single SAC in a single jurisdiction let guns walk. That information never made it to main Justice.
The Democrats lies about this going on in the Bush administration are being exposed.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Who the fuck in the Bush administration thought
> selling weapons, not just any weapons, but ASSAULT
> rifles, to Mexican drug cartels was a good idea
> for tracking purposes?????? WTF????
Exactly. Name one Bush official that knew about gun walking at that time. I can name you at least two Obama appointees that knew about and encouraged gun walking. Gunrunner did not involve letting guns walk. It was an intelligence diven and inspection driven process. A single SAC in a single jurisdiction let guns walk. That information never made it to main Justice.
The Democrats lies about this going on in the Bush administration are being exposed.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Rifted
()
Date: June 21, 2012 12:04PM
This is just more that Wayne LaPierre of NRA is pulling. Ever since Boehner and Gingrich had their little tat, LaPierre has been on the war path to make Boehner look bad. Most asinine move every.
Drop the shit Gingrich! YOU LOST!
Drop the shit Gingrich! YOU LOST!
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Rifted
()
Date: June 21, 2012 12:09PM
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 21, 2012 12:14PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-10391695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/?tag=re1.channel
Looks like the ATF used the Fast and Furious case to argue for more gun regulations..
This is kind of like when they find some VFD wannabe is actually an arsonist himself.
Looks like the ATF used the Fast and Furious case to argue for more gun regulations..
This is kind of like when they find some VFD wannabe is actually an arsonist himself.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
in the know
()
Date: June 21, 2012 12:22PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-103
> 91695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-
> the-case-for-gun-regulations/?tag=re1.channel
>
> Looks like the ATF used the Fast and Furious case
> to argue for more gun regulations..
>
> This is kind of like when they find some VFD
> wannabe is actually an arsonist himself.
There was a strategy session with main Justice to use this to reimplement the assault weapons ban and impose other new firearms regulations. The stuff not being turned over is damning.
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> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-103
> 91695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-
> the-case-for-gun-regulations/?tag=re1.channel
>
> Looks like the ATF used the Fast and Furious case
> to argue for more gun regulations..
>
> This is kind of like when they find some VFD
> wannabe is actually an arsonist himself.
There was a strategy session with main Justice to use this to reimplement the assault weapons ban and impose other new firearms regulations. The stuff not being turned over is damning.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
So much for pathos
()
Date: June 21, 2012 12:49PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-103
> 91695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-
> the-case-for-gun-regulations/?tag=re1.channel
>
> Looks like the ATF used the Fast and Furious case
> to argue for more gun regulations..
>
> This is kind of like when they find some VFD
> wannabe is actually an arsonist himself.
So they wanted a specific reg to track the guns they were smuggling.
It doesn't have the same reach as "more gun regulations".
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/republican_mica_latches_onto_conspiracy_abou.php
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> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-103
> 91695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-
> the-case-for-gun-regulations/?tag=re1.channel
>
> Looks like the ATF used the Fast and Furious case
> to argue for more gun regulations..
>
> This is kind of like when they find some VFD
> wannabe is actually an arsonist himself.
So they wanted a specific reg to track the guns they were smuggling.
It doesn't have the same reach as "more gun regulations".
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/republican_mica_latches_onto_conspiracy_abou.php
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: June 21, 2012 12:56PM
So much for pathos Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-103
>
> >
> 91695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-
>
> > the-case-for-gun-regulations/?tag=re1.channel
> >
> > Looks like the ATF used the Fast and Furious
> case
> > to argue for more gun regulations..
> >
> > This is kind of like when they find some VFD
> > wannabe is actually an arsonist himself.
>
> So they wanted a specific reg to track the guns
> they were smuggling.
>
> It doesn't have the same reach as "more gun
> regulations".
>
> http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/
> republican_mica_latches_onto_conspiracy_abou.php
No, stupid...
Linking to "Talking Points Memo" is lame, it's basically an opinion website run by leftist fagwads..
From the CBS website-
ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.
What more do you want?
Obama/Holder screwed up and their stupid policy killed a border agent and countless Mexican nationals.
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-103
>
> >
> 91695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-
>
> > the-case-for-gun-regulations/?tag=re1.channel
> >
> > Looks like the ATF used the Fast and Furious
> case
> > to argue for more gun regulations..
> >
> > This is kind of like when they find some VFD
> > wannabe is actually an arsonist himself.
>
> So they wanted a specific reg to track the guns
> they were smuggling.
>
> It doesn't have the same reach as "more gun
> regulations".
>
> http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/
> republican_mica_latches_onto_conspiracy_abou.php
No, stupid...
Linking to "Talking Points Memo" is lame, it's basically an opinion website run by leftist fagwads..
From the CBS website-
ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.
What more do you want?
Obama/Holder screwed up and their stupid policy killed a border agent and countless Mexican nationals.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Charleton Heston
()
Date: June 21, 2012 01:31PM
Get a load of Nancy Peeloosey's comments. She says F&F was all
about Voter Supression! Can you believe this shit? How fucking
dumb does she think we are?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_F-gJQAMvM
Hey! Come on Gerry! When's the Press Conference?
about Voter Supression! Can you believe this shit? How fucking
dumb does she think we are?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_F-gJQAMvM
Hey! Come on Gerry! When's the Press Conference?
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Charleton Heston
()
Date: June 21, 2012 01:32PM
Charleton Heston Wrote:
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> Get a load of Nancy Peeloosey's comments. She says
> F&F was all
> about Voter Supression! Can you believe this shit?
> How fucking
> dumb does she think we are?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_F-gJQAMvM
>
> Hey! Come on Gerry! When's the Press Conference?
Oops! Sorry. I should have said the "Contempt vote" was all about
Voter Supression.
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> Get a load of Nancy Peeloosey's comments. She says
> F&F was all
> about Voter Supression! Can you believe this shit?
> How fucking
> dumb does she think we are?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_F-gJQAMvM
>
> Hey! Come on Gerry! When's the Press Conference?
Oops! Sorry. I should have said the "Contempt vote" was all about
Voter Supression.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Like Flys
()
Date: June 21, 2012 02:13PM
Actually the guns that were being trafficked for tracing were not useable.
I don't know how that is possible since what cartel is going to buy a couple of guns that don't work.
I'm sure the first thing every guy does is want to fire a new weapon.
LaPierre of NRA saying the only guns sold from the US in the stings were to the Mexican army is complete bullshit. He's just trying to cover the NRA's tracks.
I don't know how that is possible since what cartel is going to buy a couple of guns that don't work.
I'm sure the first thing every guy does is want to fire a new weapon.
LaPierre of NRA saying the only guns sold from the US in the stings were to the Mexican army is complete bullshit. He's just trying to cover the NRA's tracks.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Charleton Heston
()
Date: June 21, 2012 03:32PM
Like Flys Wrote:
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> Actually the guns that were being trafficked for
> tracing were not useable.
>
> I don't know how that is possible since what
> cartel is going to buy a couple of guns that don't
> work.
>
> I'm sure the first thing every guy does is want to
> fire a new weapon.
>
> LaPierre of NRA saying the only guns sold from the
> US in the stings were to the Mexican army is
> complete bullshit. He's just trying to cover the
> NRA's tracks.
So you're sayng the rifle that killed Brian Terry didn't work?
Overactive imagination with all heat today eh?...
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> Actually the guns that were being trafficked for
> tracing were not useable.
>
> I don't know how that is possible since what
> cartel is going to buy a couple of guns that don't
> work.
>
> I'm sure the first thing every guy does is want to
> fire a new weapon.
>
> LaPierre of NRA saying the only guns sold from the
> US in the stings were to the Mexican army is
> complete bullshit. He's just trying to cover the
> NRA's tracks.
So you're sayng the rifle that killed Brian Terry didn't work?
Overactive imagination with all heat today eh?...
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Vexxxed
()
Date: June 21, 2012 07:07PM
Bush Whacked Again! Wrote:
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> Who the fuck in the Bush administration thought
> selling weapons, not just any weapons, but ASSAULT
> rifles, to Mexican drug cartels was a good idea
> for tracking purposes?????? WTF????
Holy Christ! Who the fuck thought pissing down Castro's leg with the whole the USSR standing behind him was a good idea in the Kennedy administration??????
Oh wait.........Kennedy (like Bush) is no longer our president. Thankfully Johnson didn't redouble Kennedy's efforts and kill off the whole planet though huh?
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> Who the fuck in the Bush administration thought
> selling weapons, not just any weapons, but ASSAULT
> rifles, to Mexican drug cartels was a good idea
> for tracking purposes?????? WTF????
Holy Christ! Who the fuck thought pissing down Castro's leg with the whole the USSR standing behind him was a good idea in the Kennedy administration??????
Oh wait.........Kennedy (like Bush) is no longer our president. Thankfully Johnson didn't redouble Kennedy's efforts and kill off the whole planet though huh?
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Ronaldus Maximus
()
Date: June 21, 2012 09:53PM
Vexxxed Wrote:
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> Bush Whacked Again! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Who the fuck in the Bush administration thought
> > selling weapons, not just any weapons, but
> ASSAULT
> > rifles, to Mexican drug cartels was a good idea
> > for tracking purposes?????? WTF????
>
>
> Holy Christ! Who the fuck thought pissing down
> Castro's leg with the whole the USSR standing
> behind him was a good idea in the Kennedy
> administration??????
>
> Oh wait.........Kennedy (like Bush) is no longer
> our president. Thankfully Johnson didn't redouble
> Kennedy's efforts and kill off the whole planet
> though huh?
Don't know. But Eric fucking Holder is the smartest fucking person on mother earf that's for sure.
How the fuck do you shut something down that by your own admission you didn't know about at the time?
He shut it down as soon as he found out about it but he didn't know about it at the time.
The term for that is "liar".
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> Bush Whacked Again! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Who the fuck in the Bush administration thought
> > selling weapons, not just any weapons, but
> ASSAULT
> > rifles, to Mexican drug cartels was a good idea
> > for tracking purposes?????? WTF????
>
>
> Holy Christ! Who the fuck thought pissing down
> Castro's leg with the whole the USSR standing
> behind him was a good idea in the Kennedy
> administration??????
>
> Oh wait.........Kennedy (like Bush) is no longer
> our president. Thankfully Johnson didn't redouble
> Kennedy's efforts and kill off the whole planet
> though huh?
Don't know. But Eric fucking Holder is the smartest fucking person on mother earf that's for sure.
How the fuck do you shut something down that by your own admission you didn't know about at the time?
He shut it down as soon as he found out about it but he didn't know about it at the time.
The term for that is "liar".
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Ito
()
Date: June 21, 2012 09:55PM
Victory has a thousand fathers. Defeat is an orphan.
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
Where'sGerry?
()
Date: June 22, 2012 08:34AM
We're still waiting for a press conference Gerry. Get off your fat ass
and get to work! Come on Mr. "Truth Squad".
and get to work! Come on Mr. "Truth Squad".
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents
Posted by:
5DayWeekends
()
Date: June 22, 2012 01:06PM
Where'sGerry? Wrote:
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> We're still waiting for a press conference Gerry.
> Get off your fat ass
> and get to work! Come on Mr. "Truth Squad".
Hey, get off his back. He made idiotic off-point comments at the hearing the other day. He can't come up with something stupid to say every damn day. Plus it's Friday for fux sake. Can't expect the guy to work on the weekend! Check back on during his normal work week Wednesday-Thursday.
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> We're still waiting for a press conference Gerry.
> Get off your fat ass
> and get to work! Come on Mr. "Truth Squad".
Hey, get off his back. He made idiotic off-point comments at the hearing the other day. He can't come up with something stupid to say every damn day. Plus it's Friday for fux sake. Can't expect the guy to work on the weekend! Check back on during his normal work week Wednesday-Thursday.