Holy crap. LSU looks like dogshit. This is unwatchable.

That game means nothing. You cannot be the national champion if you didnt win your conference, much less not even winning your division within your conference. The game is a joke regardless of outcome

LSU getting blanked. Embarrassing. Knowing how they love football in the SEC, wonder if Les Miles will be on the hot seat after this?

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the game is a joke Wrote:
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> That game means nothing. You cannot be the
> national champion if you didnt win your
> conference, much less not even winning your
> division within your conference. The game is a
> joke regardless of outcome


I actually like Alabama, and I totally agree,,,

YOU CANT BE NAT'L CHAMP IF YOUR NOT YOUR OWN CONFERENCE'S CHAMPION!!!

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> the game is a joke Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That game means nothing. You cannot be the
> > national champion if you didnt win your
> > conference, much less not even winning your
> > division within your conference. The game is a
> > joke regardless of outcome
>
>
> I actually like Alabama, and I totally agree,,,
>
> YOU CANT BE NAT'L CHAMP IF YOUR NOT YOUR OWN
> CONFERENCE'S CHAMPION!!!

It happens in the NFL all of the time, and the NFL has playoffs.

Sorry, I meant Division.

Maybe they should institute a rule where two teams from the same Conference can't play for the title. I think it sucks two SEC teams ended up squaring off. Fuck Oklahoma State for whiffing on Iowa State.

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Hatemotor Wrote:
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> the game is a joke Wrote:
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> -----
> > That game means nothing. You cannot be the
> > national champion if you didnt win your
> > conference, much less not even winning your
> > division within your conference. The game is a
> > joke regardless of outcome
>
>
> I actually like Alabama, and I totally agree,,,
>
> YOU CANT BE NAT'L CHAMP IF YOUR NOT YOUR OWN
> CONFERENCE'S CHAMPION!!!

They werent even the champion of their division within the conference making it worse.

Less Oregon lost to LSU but they lost week 1, Alabama lost week 10 at home. OSU would have been more fun to watch too. The voters screwed this one up badly.

the game is a joke Wrote:
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> Hatemotor Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > the game is a joke Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > That game means nothing. You cannot be the
> > > national champion if you didnt win your
> > > conference, much less not even winning your
> > > division within your conference. The game is
> a
> > > joke regardless of outcome
> >
> >
> > I actually like Alabama, and I totally agree,,,
> >
> > YOU CANT BE NAT'L CHAMP IF YOUR NOT YOUR OWN
> > CONFERENCE'S CHAMPION!!!
>
> They werent even the champion of their division
> within the conference making it worse.
>
> Less Oregon lost to LSU but they lost week 1,
> Alabama lost week 10 at home. OSU would have been
> more fun to watch too. The voters screwed this
> one up badly.


OSU lost to Iowa State. They didn't deserve to play, either.

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Thats why they need to arrange the games based on conf champ v.conf champ,,,

God forbid there is even a +1 playoff,,

There may be one soon though, the other conferences are probably tired of watching the SEC take the Championship every year,,,

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> the game is a joke Wrote:
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> > Hatemotor Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > the game is a joke Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > That game means nothing. You cannot be the
> > > > national champion if you didnt win your
> > > > conference, much less not even winning your
> > > > division within your conference. The game
> is
> > a
> > > > joke regardless of outcome
> > >
> > >
> > > I actually like Alabama, and I totally
> agree,,,
> > >
> > > YOU CANT BE NAT'L CHAMP IF YOUR NOT YOUR OWN
> > > CONFERENCE'S CHAMPION!!!
> >
> > They werent even the champion of their division
> > within the conference making it worse.
> >
> > Less Oregon lost to LSU but they lost week 1,
> > Alabama lost week 10 at home. OSU would have
> been
> > more fun to watch too. The voters screwed this
> > one up badly.
>
>
> OSU lost to Iowa State. They didn't deserve to
> play, either.


OSU and Oregon deserved a shot before Bama did. Early season losses should mean less than losing at the end.

The NFL comparison is also a horrible one. The NFL has the playoffs. You make the playoffs or you dont. You have to win it from there. Not just two hand picked teams for 1 game.

If the BCS went with a 6 or 8 team playoff then who ever was standing at the end deserved to be there.

the game is a joke Wrote:
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>
> OSU and Oregon deserved a shot before Bama did.
> Early season losses should mean less than losing
> at the end.
>


Oklahoma State lost to an unranked Iowa State team two weeks after Alabama lost to the #1 ranked team in the country. Oregon lost two games, including to USC two weeks after Alabama lost to LSU. Your argument makes no sense.

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The problem was that Alabama and LSU were clearly the two best teams,,,

You have to make the Conf. Championship games mean more,,,

If your the conf. champ, you get to advance,,,period

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> Thats why they need to arrange the games based on
> conf champ v.conf champ,,,


And we could end up with Clemson playing for the championship while Alabama stayed home? The problem wasn't that Alabama got a shot at the national championship, but that Oklahoma State and Stanford didn't. Of course if there was a playoff Boise State would probably be complaining because they didn't get in.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Hatemotor Wrote:
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> > Thats why they need to arrange the games based
> on
> > conf champ v.conf champ,,,
>
>
> And we could end up with Clemson playing for the
> championship while Alabama stayed home? The
> problem wasn't that Alabama got a shot at the
> national championship, but that Oklahoma State and
> Stanford didn't. Of course if there was a playoff
> Boise State would probably be complaining because
> they didn't get in.


Clemson would only get there if they had to go through some other champs in a playoff format. ACC football is average at best now. Boise should play a harder schedule than 1 top 25 team all year if they want to be in the big games

Oh goodness, this game made my cry.. Fuck nick saben, he's a traitor. It's ok... LSU is still number 1. GEAUX TIGERSSSS!!!!!

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> Clemson would only get there if they had to go
> through some other champs in a playoff format.
> ACC football is average at best now. Boise should
> play a harder schedule than 1 top 25 team all year
> if they want to be in the big games


Point is that there are at least three SEC teams a couple from the Pac 10 and a couple more from the Big whatever that could easily have handled Clemson. Then you also have the strong programs from unaffiliated conferences such as Boise St. and Houson. Why should a weaker program from a weak football conference HAVE A SHOT just because it won, when much better programs are kept out just because they were runners up in their's, or weren't in one of the favored conferences? Also you can end up with fluke situations like what if South Carolina had beaten LSU in the SEC championship game, in which case arguably the top three SEC teams would not have qualified.

Playoff rules are about WHO GETS A SHOT at winning the championship. If you are only going to have 4 teams playing the rules should be designed so that the four best teams get in. Using an arbitrary criteria such as conference champion could close out too many excellent programs each year, and it could open the door to relatively weak programs getting in.

Keep the year-long ranking systems intact, have a playoff system that includes the top 8 teams. Done.

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> Keep the year-long ranking systems intact, have a
> playoff system that includes the top 8 teams.
> Done.


And you can make the "Big name" bowl games rotate which games in the playoff tree they hold.

But that's too easy and makes too much sense, so the NCAA will never go for it.

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Sad but true

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> Keep the year-long ranking systems intact, have a
> playoff system that includes the top 8 teams.
> Done.


8 teams makes sense. This +1 thing is kind of weak.

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the game is a joke Wrote:
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> That game means nothing. You cannot be the
> national champion if you didnt win your
> conference, much less not even winning your
> division within your conference. The game is a
> joke regardless of outcome


who else could had beat alabama osu wow now thats a joke. people get over it. alabama is the 2012 national champions. deal with it . roll tide roll

roll tide roll

If OSU wants to play for a national title, don't lose to an unranked team.

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> who else could had beat alabama osu wow now thats
> a joke. people get over it. alabama is the 2012
> national champions. deal with it . roll tide roll

No argument - Alabama deserves the national championship. That doesn't negate the argument that there should be a college football playoff. If they can do it in the smaller sized schools (divisions II, III, etc), they can do it for the big boys. It's all about the money, or more accurately, the money certain key opponents are scared they would lose if there were a playoff system in place.

The SEC is the best conference in the nation, period! LSU still had a great season but lost when it really mattered. Too bad! Les Miles and LSU were out coached and outplayed in every aspect of the game! Now that you have had 2 SEC teams play for the national championship of course everybody wants a playoff system! Let's be honest, I'm just surprised it took this long for that to happen. But what is everyone going to say when they implement a playoff and 2 SEC teams head off for a national championship yet again? What are the complaints going to be then? What will all the critics complain say? That was a great game between the two best teams in the country and the best team one! You say it was boring, only one touchdown? Number 1 and 2 defenses squared off, what did you expect? If this applies to how your feeling than your team needs a defense and you might come to the realization that you do not have to score 60 points a game if you can stop the other team from scoring! I've read a lot of post about, this game doesn't count, and blah blah blah! Then answer me this, "why were Nick Saban and the Alabama Crimson Tide holding up the crystal ball at the end of the game being declared national champions?" Everybody always hate on the best and the best is Nick Saban and the SEC!

Sorry about the mis-types, the keyboard on my phone a little small and is not the best by any means!

Not only am I a bama fan but I am a realist and if stan, ok state, or oregon would have gone undefeated then let them play for the ship, but their destiny was in there own hands and they choked! What is the argument? Impliment a playoff, the best chance for other conferences is for the SEC to knock one another out. But look at it this way, the SEC FINALLY LOST in the championship!

bb84 Wrote:
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> The SEC is the best conference in the nation,
> period! LSU still had a great season but lost when
> it really mattered. Too bad! Les Miles and LSU
> were out coached and outplayed in every aspect of
> the game! Now that you have had 2 SEC teams play
> for the national championship of course everybody
> wants a playoff system! Let's be honest, I'm just
> surprised it took this long for that to happen.
> But what is everyone going to say when they
> implement a playoff and 2 SEC teams head off for a
> national championship yet again? What are the
> complaints going to be then? What will all the
> critics complain say? That was a great game
> between the two best teams in the country and the
> best team one! You say it was boring, only one
> touchdown? Number 1 and 2 defenses squared off,
> what did you expect? If this applies to how your
> feeling than your team needs a defense and you
> might come to the realization that you do not have
> to score 60 points a game if you can stop the
> other team from scoring! I've read a lot of post
> about, this game doesn't count, and blah blah
> blah! Then answer me this, "why were Nick Saban
> and the Alabama Crimson Tide holding up the
> crystal ball at the end of the game being declared
> national champions?" Everybody always hate on the
> best and the best is Nick Saban and the SEC!

Your assumptions are way off base. MANY people have been calling for a playoff system for quite a while now, and it has nothing to do with having 2 teams from the same conference play in the BCS championship. There have been many years when there was not a clear-cut #1 and #2, for example when the #2 and #3 teams having the same record. A playoff system would solve this all-too-common problem. This year was actually more clear cut than many. It was widely agreed upon that LSU and Alabama were #1 and #2.

People have talked about a playoff system for years, but I think this is the first time I've heard of the BCS seriously discussing it. Apparently attendance and ratings for the BCS games were not very good this year. It's because the games are all meaningless. Make them part of a playoff and then you'll have a reason for people to watch.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> People have talked about a playoff system for
> years, but I think this is the first time I've
> heard of the BCS seriously discussing it.
> Apparently attendance and ratings for the BCS
> games were not very good this year. It's because
> the games are all meaningless. Make them part of a
> playoff and then you'll have a reason for people
> to watch.


Are you saying that the Carquest FedEx Orville Redenbacher Enterprise Rent-A-Car Bowl between two 5-6 teams is meaningless?

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Yes there has been talk about the plus 1 and playoff system, but this is exactly the situation the bcs was dreading and did not want to happen! Never has there been such serious discussion about it, since the this year! Let's say LSU won that game the same way bama did, come you imagine the uproar? Even though the best 2 teams did play

The killer was that you had two great teams go up against each other and nobody cared because the were from the same conference and had played each other before and were playing in their own backyards.

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Where is it written that u have to win your conference, everyone knows but hate to admit bama is the best
In the country, had Oklahoma St, who lost to 6-6 Iowa St, played against bama or lsu, they would have
Gotten stomped by the number 1 and 2 defenses. And Oklahoma St, defense sucks. They better be happy
With what they got in their bowl win.

The argument for having to win your conference to be in the national championship is ridiculous. If the best two teams in the nation are in the same conference, then they should play for the title, period.

If the best two teams in a conferece play in their conference championship game then that issue is resolved,,,

HOW CAN YOU BE NATIONAL CHAMPS IF YOU AREN'T THE CHAMPION OF YOUR OWN CONFERENCE!

Why play conference championship games, or have confereces at all uif there is no meaning?

Playoff system solves both our issues though,,,

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> If the best two teams in a conferece play in their
> conference championship game then that issue is
> resolved,,,

Not in this case. ALA and LSU are both in the SEC-West, so they would never play in the SEC championship game.

>
> HOW CAN YOU BE NATIONAL CHAMPS IF YOU AREN'T THE
> CHAMPION OF YOUR OWN CONFERENCE!

Real easy. THe only team #2 ALA lost to was #1 LSU. They're better than any other team in the country. So, they meet again in the BCS nat'l championship, get revenge and are now natinonal champs.

> Why play conference championship games, or have
> confereces at all uif there is no meaning?

Good question.

>
> Playoff system solves both our issues though,,,


True.

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> If the best two teams in a conferece play in their
> conference championship game then that issue is
> resolved,,,
>
> HOW CAN YOU BE NATIONAL CHAMPS IF YOU AREN'T THE
> CHAMPION OF YOUR OWN CONFERENCE!

Like most things in life anymore.....it's all based on tv earnings and has nothing to do with actual play on the field.

I hate to bust your bubble but u don't have to win your conference. In 03 Oklahoma got their butt spanked in the big 12 championship and still went to the national championship, It is was it is we won the championship. We were voted 1 in both polls, Bama is the best. ROLL DAMN TIDE!

Alabama is the best team in the nation without question,,,

However, the whole Conf. champ thing came up BECAUSE of Oklahoma,,,thats why its called the Oklahoma rule,,,they just never adopted it,,,

Consider my bubble unbursted,,,

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> > HOW CAN YOU BE NATIONAL CHAMPS IF YOU AREN'T THE
> > CHAMPION OF YOUR OWN CONFERENCE!
>
> Like most things in life anymore.....it's all
> based on tv earnings and has nothing to do with
> actual play on the field.


For the other BCS games you are right. Michigan and Virginia Tech were selected for BCS bowls which was very controversal. But most reasonable CFB fans agreed that AL and LSU were the two best teams. If you want to change the rules hit the BCS up, they don't have a rule that states you have to win your conference to play in the title game.