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Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
scorecard
()
Date: April 11, 2011 11:20AM
Who will win the FY2012?
I think Boehner played it pretty well and looked to get more in the end, especially considering he waqs coming into the game with the weakest negotiating position because he was outnumbered by the President and the Senate.
I think Boehner played it pretty well and looked to get more in the end, especially considering he waqs coming into the game with the weakest negotiating position because he was outnumbered by the President and the Senate.
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
MrMystery
()
Date: April 11, 2011 12:00PM
No one ever wins in these situations and the only real losers are average Americans.
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
Sucked
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Date: April 11, 2011 12:14PM
Nobody really won, but it did make the Republicans look like fools since they couldn't get the budget passed until midnight.
It's going to be interesting to see how all the redneck farmers are going to react to having their subsidies cut. Last time that happened they filled the mall with tractors and blocked DC traffic.
Attachments:
It's going to be interesting to see how all the redneck farmers are going to react to having their subsidies cut. Last time that happened they filled the mall with tractors and blocked DC traffic.
Attachments:
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
village idiot
()
Date: April 11, 2011 12:21PM
Sad thing is that it turned into such a debacle over numbers that don't even equal 1% of the entire budget. You would have thought it was as much as 50% of the entire budget to hear both parties cry.
They all suck IMO.
They all suck IMO.
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
u fail
()
Date: April 11, 2011 12:21PM
Sucked Wrote:
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> Nobody really won, but it did make the Republicans
> look like fools since they couldn't get the budget
> passed until midnight.
Are you talking about the three budgets they passed before the Democrat controlled Senate even decided to act? Way to have a firm grasp of the situation.
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> Nobody really won, but it did make the Republicans
> look like fools since they couldn't get the budget
> passed until midnight.
Are you talking about the three budgets they passed before the Democrat controlled Senate even decided to act? Way to have a firm grasp of the situation.
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
the winner is
()
Date: April 11, 2011 12:29PM
Obviously Boenhner won this round. He was able to get a bunch of stuff out of the left, enough to appease the freshmen and tea party representatives. I think the republicans learned much from their mistakes of the mid-90s.
I still detest both sides for the circus last week.
I still detest both sides for the circus last week.
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
Johnny Walker
()
Date: April 11, 2011 12:39PM
the winner is Wrote:
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> Obviously Boenhner won this round. He was able to
> get a bunch of stuff out of the left, enough to
> appease the freshmen and tea party
> representatives. I think the republicans learned
> much from their mistakes of the mid-90s.
>
> I still detest both sides for the circus last
> week.
I don't think anyone "won" because as someone said looking at the actual budget this was arguing over nothing. Regarding Boehner though, last I heard the Tea Party planned to try to primary him out. He did NOT appease them at all.
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> Obviously Boenhner won this round. He was able to
> get a bunch of stuff out of the left, enough to
> appease the freshmen and tea party
> representatives. I think the republicans learned
> much from their mistakes of the mid-90s.
>
> I still detest both sides for the circus last
> week.
I don't think anyone "won" because as someone said looking at the actual budget this was arguing over nothing. Regarding Boehner though, last I heard the Tea Party planned to try to primary him out. He did NOT appease them at all.
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
Weekend Lost
()
Date: April 11, 2011 12:41PM
Congress looked like a bunch of fools and voters are going to equate that with Republican control. The Boner looked like an idiot who had no control.
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
pick up a newspaper
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Date: April 11, 2011 12:50PM
Weekend Lost Wrote:
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> Congress looked like a bunch of fools and voters
> are going to equate that with Republican control.
> The Boner looked like an idiot who had no control.
Republicans control Congress?
Every unbiased anaylsis out there says Boehner came out a winner. He mopped the floor with Harry Reid.
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> Congress looked like a bunch of fools and voters
> are going to equate that with Republican control.
> The Boner looked like an idiot who had no control.
Republicans control Congress?
Every unbiased anaylsis out there says Boehner came out a winner. He mopped the floor with Harry Reid.
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
justsayin
()
Date: April 11, 2011 12:50PM
Weekend Lost Wrote:
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> Congress looked like a bunch of fools and voters
> are going to equate that with Republican control.
> The Boner looked like an idiot who had no control.
In other words, blame the Republicans because they are too controlling, leveled against their leader who has no control. Did I get that right?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/11/2011 12:51PM by justsayin.
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> Congress looked like a bunch of fools and voters
> are going to equate that with Republican control.
> The Boner looked like an idiot who had no control.
In other words, blame the Republicans because they are too controlling, leveled against their leader who has no control. Did I get that right?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/11/2011 12:51PM by justsayin.
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
scorecard
()
Date: April 11, 2011 12:55PM
justsayin Wrote:
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> Weekend Lost Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Congress looked like a bunch of fools and
> voters
> > are going to equate that with Republican
> control.
> > The Boner looked like an idiot who had no
> control.
>
>
> In other words, blame the Republicans because they
> are too controlling, leveled against their leader
> who has no control. Did I get that right?
Yeah, someone just doesn't get it. Boehner controlled the conversation and the outcome. Reid was along for the ride. I will admit to Boehner looking very weak early in the process. He either recovered nicely or is more calculating than I give him credit for.
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> Weekend Lost Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Congress looked like a bunch of fools and
> voters
> > are going to equate that with Republican
> control.
> > The Boner looked like an idiot who had no
> control.
>
>
> In other words, blame the Republicans because they
> are too controlling, leveled against their leader
> who has no control. Did I get that right?
Yeah, someone just doesn't get it. Boehner controlled the conversation and the outcome. Reid was along for the ride. I will admit to Boehner looking very weak early in the process. He either recovered nicely or is more calculating than I give him credit for.
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
the winner is
()
Date: April 11, 2011 12:55PM
Weekend Lost Wrote:
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> Congress looked like a bunch of fools and voters
> are going to equate that with Republican control.
That is about the dumbest post I've read today.
Basically, the voters on the left blame the right ~34%, The voters on the right blame the left ~34%. The remaining third are sick of all politicos.
While Boehner won, I'm sick of them all. It was pretty funny listening to the Prez say he hopes this is an example of future compromises. Wait, Wut?
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> Congress looked like a bunch of fools and voters
> are going to equate that with Republican control.
That is about the dumbest post I've read today.
Basically, the voters on the left blame the right ~34%, The voters on the right blame the left ~34%. The remaining third are sick of all politicos.
While Boehner won, I'm sick of them all. It was pretty funny listening to the Prez say he hopes this is an example of future compromises. Wait, Wut?
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: April 11, 2011 12:59PM
It made Congress look bad, and since the GOP is the more prominent face in Congress these days, well....
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Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
justsayin
()
Date: April 11, 2011 12:59PM
As a progressive that statement was hard to hear, but it is the new reality I guess. It is no surprise Obama had to move hard center.
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"If you only knew who I was, and what I was working to do you would...have the decency to tell me I hated my nation and the way of life. I may not agree with...the government...I hate the "government"......" - Firrat 9/1/10
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Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: April 11, 2011 01:01PM
Boehner may have won with moderates and the media, but he lost with the Tea Party nuts because it wasn't $500 billion or whatever fucking unrealistic number they wanted.
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Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
TrickleDown
()
Date: April 11, 2011 01:01PM
I wish Republicans would of cut more shit. Wait until those cuts trickle down and Americans start feeling that shit. Boner and Republicans are going to be popular long. Always fine to cut when its somebodies shit getting cut.
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
dead ends
()
Date: April 11, 2011 01:04PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Boehner may have won with moderates and the media,
> but he lost with the Tea Party nuts because it
> wasn't $500 billion or whatever fucking
> unrealistic number they wanted.
Which will be inconsequencial in the long run. At the end of the day, the Tea Party has nowhere else to turn -- just like all the frigging progressives pissed at the Democrats and Obama, where will they go?
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> Boehner may have won with moderates and the media,
> but he lost with the Tea Party nuts because it
> wasn't $500 billion or whatever fucking
> unrealistic number they wanted.
Which will be inconsequencial in the long run. At the end of the day, the Tea Party has nowhere else to turn -- just like all the frigging progressives pissed at the Democrats and Obama, where will they go?
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
LOLings
()
Date: April 11, 2011 01:06PM
Johnny Walker Wrote:
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> Regarding Boehner though, last I heard
> the Tea Party planned to try to primary him out.
> He did NOT appease them at all.
Eliminating sitting Speakers is oh so easy to do in a Primary election. Ask Cindy Sheehan how well that worked out for her. Boehner could win a Primary election in his district with whatever amount of cash he is currently carrying in his wallet. Thanks for the laugh though.
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> Regarding Boehner though, last I heard
> the Tea Party planned to try to primary him out.
> He did NOT appease them at all.
Eliminating sitting Speakers is oh so easy to do in a Primary election. Ask Cindy Sheehan how well that worked out for her. Boehner could win a Primary election in his district with whatever amount of cash he is currently carrying in his wallet. Thanks for the laugh though.
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: April 11, 2011 01:07PM
dead ends Wrote:
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>
> Which will be inconsequencial in the long run. At
> the end of the day, the Tea Party has nowhere else
> to turn -- just like all the frigging progressives
> pissed at the Democrats and Obama, where will they
> go?
Well, in 2000 the Progressives went to Ralph Nader. And in '92 and '96 the deficit hawks (aka proto-Tea Baggers) went with Perot.
Even if the GOP keeps Bachmann, Paul, etc, in line, there's a chance the Tea Baggers will sit on their hands in 2012 if they don't like what they see in the budget process, which they probably won't.
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>
> Which will be inconsequencial in the long run. At
> the end of the day, the Tea Party has nowhere else
> to turn -- just like all the frigging progressives
> pissed at the Democrats and Obama, where will they
> go?
Well, in 2000 the Progressives went to Ralph Nader. And in '92 and '96 the deficit hawks (aka proto-Tea Baggers) went with Perot.
Even if the GOP keeps Bachmann, Paul, etc, in line, there's a chance the Tea Baggers will sit on their hands in 2012 if they don't like what they see in the budget process, which they probably won't.
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Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
4 more years
()
Date: April 11, 2011 01:07PM
Just as Karl Rove warned, Obama did.
Nothing like being handed the opportunity on a platter to look presidential with little chance of the media from responding.
Politics of hate - they didn't work last time and, boy!, are they sure not gonna work this time!
Nothing like being handed the opportunity on a platter to look presidential with little chance of the media from responding.
Politics of hate - they didn't work last time and, boy!, are they sure not gonna work this time!
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: April 11, 2011 01:07PM
LOLings Wrote:
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>
> Eliminating sitting Speakers is oh so easy to do
> in a Primary election. Ask Cindy Sheehan how well
> that worked out for her. Boehner could win a
> Primary election in his district with whatever
> amount of cash he is currently carrying in his
> wallet. Thanks for the laugh though.
Ask Newt.
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>
> Eliminating sitting Speakers is oh so easy to do
> in a Primary election. Ask Cindy Sheehan how well
> that worked out for her. Boehner could win a
> Primary election in his district with whatever
> amount of cash he is currently carrying in his
> wallet. Thanks for the laugh though.
Ask Newt.
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Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
Sad
()
Date: April 11, 2011 01:12PM
It's sad Boehner didn't have better control of Congress. I thought he would be a better leader. Crazy that the government was almost shutdown twice. That should NEVER even come close.
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
dead ends
()
Date: April 11, 2011 01:12PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Well, in 2000 the Progressives went to Ralph
> Nader. And in '92 and '96 the deficit hawks (aka
> proto-Tea Baggers) went with Perot.
I just checked my calendar. It is 2011 and next year is 2012.
> Even if the GOP keeps Bachmann, Paul, etc, in
> line, there's a chance the Tea Baggers will sit on
> their hands in 2012 if they don't like what they
> see in the budget process, which they probably
> won't.
Probably not. They sat on their hands in '08 with McCain on the ticket. They are not pleased with what resulted - look at 2010 if you need evidence of that. Besides, a big prt of what the Tea Party is consists of local grass roots organizational operations. There are too many loosely defined National Organizations tryinf to claim the tea Party podium. They are much more of a bottom up organization than a top down organization like Perot and Nader. They actually care about local elections.
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> Well, in 2000 the Progressives went to Ralph
> Nader. And in '92 and '96 the deficit hawks (aka
> proto-Tea Baggers) went with Perot.
I just checked my calendar. It is 2011 and next year is 2012.
> Even if the GOP keeps Bachmann, Paul, etc, in
> line, there's a chance the Tea Baggers will sit on
> their hands in 2012 if they don't like what they
> see in the budget process, which they probably
> won't.
Probably not. They sat on their hands in '08 with McCain on the ticket. They are not pleased with what resulted - look at 2010 if you need evidence of that. Besides, a big prt of what the Tea Party is consists of local grass roots organizational operations. There are too many loosely defined National Organizations tryinf to claim the tea Party podium. They are much more of a bottom up organization than a top down organization like Perot and Nader. They actually care about local elections.
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
Johnny Walker
()
Date: April 11, 2011 01:13PM
LOLings Wrote:
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> Johnny Walker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Regarding Boehner though, last I heard
> > the Tea Party planned to try to primary him
> out.
> > He did NOT appease them at all.
>
> Eliminating sitting Speakers is oh so easy to do
> in a Primary election. Ask Cindy Sheehan how well
> that worked out for her. Boehner could win a
> Primary election in his district with whatever
> amount of cash he is currently carrying in his
> wallet. Thanks for the laugh though.
Maybe they'll get him replaced, maybe not. The point though is they are not "appeased."
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> Johnny Walker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Regarding Boehner though, last I heard
> > the Tea Party planned to try to primary him
> out.
> > He did NOT appease them at all.
>
> Eliminating sitting Speakers is oh so easy to do
> in a Primary election. Ask Cindy Sheehan how well
> that worked out for her. Boehner could win a
> Primary election in his district with whatever
> amount of cash he is currently carrying in his
> wallet. Thanks for the laugh though.
Maybe they'll get him replaced, maybe not. The point though is they are not "appeased."
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
LOLings
()
Date: April 11, 2011 01:14PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> LOLings Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Eliminating sitting Speakers is oh so easy to
> do
> > in a Primary election. Ask Cindy Sheehan how
> well
> > that worked out for her. Boehner could win a
> > Primary election in his district with whatever
> > amount of cash he is currently carrying in his
> > wallet. Thanks for the laugh though.
>
>
> Ask Newt.
Newt lost in a Primary election? Really? Seriously? You sure?
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> LOLings Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Eliminating sitting Speakers is oh so easy to
> do
> > in a Primary election. Ask Cindy Sheehan how
> well
> > that worked out for her. Boehner could win a
> > Primary election in his district with whatever
> > amount of cash he is currently carrying in his
> > wallet. Thanks for the laugh though.
>
>
> Ask Newt.
Newt lost in a Primary election? Really? Seriously? You sure?
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
HighTea
()
Date: April 11, 2011 01:16PM
It sounds like the Tea Party is pretty pissed off about not cutting enough and want replacement in Congress for 2012. That spells trouble Republicans.
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
broken record
()
Date: April 11, 2011 01:20PM
HighTea Wrote:
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> It sounds like the Tea Party is pretty pissed off
> about not cutting enough and want replacement in
> Congress for 2012. That spells trouble
> Republicans.
Yes, and it supposedly spelled trouble in 2010 as well. All the predictions of a divided GOP lead to Pelosi keeping her gavel, right?
I realize the party whose only original idea since 2005 is "we are not George W. Bush" might have trouble figuring out paths to victory, but simply sitting on the sideline predicting a divided GOP is not a recipe for victory. Sure, you got a few wins with Angle and O'Donnell, but beyond that your side has been decimated politically and in the policy arena.
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> It sounds like the Tea Party is pretty pissed off
> about not cutting enough and want replacement in
> Congress for 2012. That spells trouble
> Republicans.
Yes, and it supposedly spelled trouble in 2010 as well. All the predictions of a divided GOP lead to Pelosi keeping her gavel, right?
I realize the party whose only original idea since 2005 is "we are not George W. Bush" might have trouble figuring out paths to victory, but simply sitting on the sideline predicting a divided GOP is not a recipe for victory. Sure, you got a few wins with Angle and O'Donnell, but beyond that your side has been decimated politically and in the policy arena.
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
Ut videam
()
Date: April 11, 2011 01:23PM
WTL needs to check his facts: Newt did not lose his primary. He won handily in the 1998 general election, but resigned as Speaker and declined to take his seat in the 106th Congress.
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
Johnny Walker
()
Date: April 11, 2011 01:55PM
broken record Wrote:
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> HighTea Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It sounds like the Tea Party is pretty pissed
> off
> > about not cutting enough and want replacement
> in
> > Congress for 2012. That spells trouble
> > Republicans.
>
> Yes, and it supposedly spelled trouble in 2010 as
> well. All the predictions of a divided GOP lead
> to Pelosi keeping her gavel, right?
>
> I realize the party whose only original idea since
> 2005 is "we are not George W. Bush" might have
> trouble figuring out paths to victory, but simply
> sitting on the sideline predicting a divided GOP
> is not a recipe for victory. Sure, you got a few
> wins with Angle and O'Donnell, but beyond that
> your side has been decimated politically and in
> the policy arena.
Everyone said they were going to lose the House. Of course the Democratic party people didn't say that, they always say they're going to win. On election day do you expect the candidate running behind in the polls to get up there and concede that morning before anything happens? Remember 2006? Do you remember a lot of Republicans moping around the month or so before the election with their heads down in shame? No, of course not, they were still out campaigning and hoping the defeat they all knew was coming wasn't too bad and trying to keep their supporters spirits up and keep them mobilized.
The only thing in question was whether the Dems would hold the Senate, which they did.
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> HighTea Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It sounds like the Tea Party is pretty pissed
> off
> > about not cutting enough and want replacement
> in
> > Congress for 2012. That spells trouble
> > Republicans.
>
> Yes, and it supposedly spelled trouble in 2010 as
> well. All the predictions of a divided GOP lead
> to Pelosi keeping her gavel, right?
>
> I realize the party whose only original idea since
> 2005 is "we are not George W. Bush" might have
> trouble figuring out paths to victory, but simply
> sitting on the sideline predicting a divided GOP
> is not a recipe for victory. Sure, you got a few
> wins with Angle and O'Donnell, but beyond that
> your side has been decimated politically and in
> the policy arena.
Everyone said they were going to lose the House. Of course the Democratic party people didn't say that, they always say they're going to win. On election day do you expect the candidate running behind in the polls to get up there and concede that morning before anything happens? Remember 2006? Do you remember a lot of Republicans moping around the month or so before the election with their heads down in shame? No, of course not, they were still out campaigning and hoping the defeat they all knew was coming wasn't too bad and trying to keep their supporters spirits up and keep them mobilized.
The only thing in question was whether the Dems would hold the Senate, which they did.
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
broken record
()
Date: April 11, 2011 02:03PM
Johnny Walker Wrote:
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> broken record Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > HighTea Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > It sounds like the Tea Party is pretty pissed
> > off
> > > about not cutting enough and want replacement
> > in
> > > Congress for 2012. That spells trouble
> > > Republicans.
> >
> > Yes, and it supposedly spelled trouble in 2010
> as
> > well. All the predictions of a divided GOP
> lead
> > to Pelosi keeping her gavel, right?
> >
> > I realize the party whose only original idea
> since
> > 2005 is "we are not George W. Bush" might have
> > trouble figuring out paths to victory, but
> simply
> > sitting on the sideline predicting a divided
> GOP
> > is not a recipe for victory. Sure, you got a
> few
> > wins with Angle and O'Donnell, but beyond that
> > your side has been decimated politically and in
> > the policy arena.
>
>
> Everyone said they were going to lose the House.
> Of course the Democratic party people didn't say
> that, they always say they're going to win. On
> election day do you expect the candidate running
> behind in the polls to get up there and concede
> that morning before anything happens? Remember
> 2006? Do you remember a lot of Republicans moping
> around the month or so before the election with
> their heads down in shame? No, of course not, they
> were still out campaigning and hoping the defeat
> they all knew was coming wasn't too bad and trying
> to keep their supporters spirits up and keep them
> mobilized.
>
> The only thing in question was whether the Dems
> would hold the Senate, which they did.
Thanks, but I am not talking about a month before the inevitable. People were calling for a split that would hurt the GOP right up to 60 days before the foregone conclusion. It didn't materialize. Here they are again talking about and hoping for a split. Hope all you want, but if that is the only strategy expect more losses.
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> broken record Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > HighTea Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > It sounds like the Tea Party is pretty pissed
> > off
> > > about not cutting enough and want replacement
> > in
> > > Congress for 2012. That spells trouble
> > > Republicans.
> >
> > Yes, and it supposedly spelled trouble in 2010
> as
> > well. All the predictions of a divided GOP
> lead
> > to Pelosi keeping her gavel, right?
> >
> > I realize the party whose only original idea
> since
> > 2005 is "we are not George W. Bush" might have
> > trouble figuring out paths to victory, but
> simply
> > sitting on the sideline predicting a divided
> GOP
> > is not a recipe for victory. Sure, you got a
> few
> > wins with Angle and O'Donnell, but beyond that
> > your side has been decimated politically and in
> > the policy arena.
>
>
> Everyone said they were going to lose the House.
> Of course the Democratic party people didn't say
> that, they always say they're going to win. On
> election day do you expect the candidate running
> behind in the polls to get up there and concede
> that morning before anything happens? Remember
> 2006? Do you remember a lot of Republicans moping
> around the month or so before the election with
> their heads down in shame? No, of course not, they
> were still out campaigning and hoping the defeat
> they all knew was coming wasn't too bad and trying
> to keep their supporters spirits up and keep them
> mobilized.
>
> The only thing in question was whether the Dems
> would hold the Senate, which they did.
Thanks, but I am not talking about a month before the inevitable. People were calling for a split that would hurt the GOP right up to 60 days before the foregone conclusion. It didn't materialize. Here they are again talking about and hoping for a split. Hope all you want, but if that is the only strategy expect more losses.
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
Johnny Walker
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Date: April 11, 2011 02:08PM
I don't think that split applies so much to House and Senate races, but it does apply to presidential races. But, if that is the only strategy the Dems have, then yes, that is not enough.
Re: Who won the FY2011 budget showdown?
Posted by:
registerednonvoter
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Date: April 11, 2011 08:49PM
The very title of this thread sickens me.
Anyone who gets behind and supports what either party is doing or how they operate obviously doesn't give a fuck about this land.
It would be nice if our country not the government.
Anyone who gets behind and supports what either party is doing or how they operate obviously doesn't give a fuck about this land.
It would be nice if our country not the government.