I think this is a leftover idea from the Bush Error. I know that they are suppose to be use only for intelligence but how long until the U.S Border Patrol decides it is reasonable to fire upon cars and houses with undocumented workers or OMG drug smugglers? Is this the sort of message we should send?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/24/border-drones-homeland-se_n_623713.html


If you are not angry you are not paying attention!

So if the Obama Administration takes a new direction and it goes against your thinking, it is a bad leftover idea and not a bad new idea? My friend, it is that kind of one-sided, non-reasoned thinking that is the root of why we can't find solutions to real problems in this country. It is why politicians flip flop and openly embrace things they criticized as fundamentally evil just a couple of years ago.

Try to open your mind a bit, call things for what they are. Be willing to criticize your own "side" if they are in the wrong... that is how you make it more correct.

but pgens...the Sith deal in absolutes. Makes it kinda hard to have an open mind amirite?

I think it's a good idea for surveillance if it's effective. I can't imagine anyone, except for the extreme right-wing loony toons, would think it's ok to just have the things flying around shooting at suspects on our own soil.

I still think they should use the border area as a test firing range for the military.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> I think it's a good idea for surveillance if it's
> effective. I can't imagine anyone, except for the
> extreme right-wing loony toons, would think it's
> ok to just have the things flying around shooting
> at suspects on our own soil.


You'd think, but let us not forget Obama was the first to authorize using a drone to kill an American citizen overseas. No action is beyond either side of the political spectrum.

Border Patrol uses helicopters. Why the hell would it be an issue to use drones? If there is a concern about the use of military assets, come up with a way to loan the things to Border Patrol and DEA so that you don't violate Posse Comitatus.

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pgens Wrote:
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>
> You'd think, but let us not forget Obama was the first to authorize using a drone to kill an American citizen overseas. No action is beyond either side of the political spectrum.

Killing an American who's working with the enemy in a theater of war is different than the "shoot first, ask questions later" stuff I've been hearing from cuckoo teabaggers lately, regarding the AZ border.

The Air Force and Navy have had a ton of success with surveillance drones in combat areas, I think those would be fine for border use. However, there wouldn't be any need for armed drones, it's not like the Mexicans are armed insurgents.

Blessed are the murderous.

Ive said it before and I'll say it again, What we really need along the border are Gazebos. Cuz out in the desert its hot and whats better than stopping in a Gazebo when its HOT? a nice shady series of Gazebos, outfitted with pitchers of beers and nachos. Then when the illegals are nice and drunk we round them up and ship them back!

Or....poison the food/drinks. Buzzards come and eat the now dead, poisoned mexicans and they die too. Tell me honestly...would you miss either one?

Progressive Guy Wrote:
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> how long until the U.S Border
> Patrol decides it is reasonable to fire upon cars
> and houses with undocumented workers or OMG drug
> smugglers? Is this the sort of message we should
> send?

YES!


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Gravis Wrote:
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> Progressive Guy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > how long until the U.S Border
> > Patrol decides it is reasonable to fire upon cars
> > and houses with undocumented workers or OMG drug
> > smugglers? Is this the sort of message we should
> > send?
>
> YES!

+1, nothing else has been shown to work. Should we respond any differently to an organization that does this http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/97051229.html ? These guys mean business and will only respond to same. Those guys need a killin' if they operate in the US.

Nogales, Az is almost under siege from the main drug cartel trying to move drugs through the area. Armed drones sound like a great idea for folks that are using snipers to threaten cops and their families. Plus the drug guys are way better armed than the locals.

Maybe one day the Mexicans will send some part of their not-corrupt army to go up and deal with these guys on their side of the border.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/25/2010 09:17AM by Registered Voter.

I know - I think it is more wishful thinking that there is an arm of the Mexican military that isn't under the influence of drug money.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Armed drones sound like a great idea for folks
> that are using snipers to threaten cops and their
> families.
>

Let's just hope they don't go out of control. It might look something like this...



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Well, let's remember that in that episode, the machine had artificial intelligence as well as being armed. There was no remote operator - although in some cases that might be a blessing...

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Well, let's remember that in that episode, the
> machine had artificial intelligence as well as
> being armed. There was no remote operator -
> although in some cases that might be a blessing...


First, why didn't they just blow the fucking thing up. Second, do you really have to be bionic to pull an unsecured fence post from the ground? I am pretty sure I could have wiggled that thing out of the ground in a couple of minutes.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> First, why didn't they just blow the fucking thing
> up.

I am pretty sure they tried to bomb the thing - but remember, the scientist lady was pointing out that it had to survive on Venus (or was it Mars?) - anyway, on Venus it would have to withstand the enormous pressure of the atmosphere, high winds, corrosive gases, etc. Of course, he could have just jumped on top of the thing and stopped trying to joust with it - that would have saved him a beat down the first time.

Come on, who cares about the fence post - I was more impressed with the super reaction time the tank had when he threw the larger boulder at it, and it responded by batting it back at him directly. That took some talent huh? :) And yeah, you have to wonder how he thought a fence post would work better than a 500 pound boulder... that always made me wonder though how he didn't just rip the arm from his shoulder - it isn't like his bones were made of the same material...

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > First, why didn't they just blow the fucking
> thing
> > up.
>
> I am pretty sure they tried to bomb the thing -
> but remember, the scientist lady was pointing out
> that it had to survive on Venus (or was it Mars?)
> - anyway, on Venus it would have to withstand the
> enormous pressure of the atmosphere, high winds,
> corrosive gases, etc. Of course, he could have
> just jumped on top of the thing and stopped trying
> to joust with it - that would have saved him a
> beat down the first time.
>
> Come on, who cares about the fence post - I was
> more impressed with the super reaction time the
> tank had when he threw the larger boulder at it,
> and it responded by batting it back at him
> directly. That took some talent huh? :) And yeah,
> you have to wonder how he thought a fence post
> would work better than a 500 pound boulder... that
> always made me wonder though how he didn't just
> rip the arm from his shoulder - it isn't like his
> bones were made of the same material...


Maybe they could have just flipped the fucking thing upside down and called it a day.

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Registered Voter Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > First, why didn't they just blow the fucking
> thing
> > up.
>
> I am pretty sure they tried to bomb the thing -
> but remember, the scientist lady was pointing out
> that it had to survive on Venus (or was it Mars?)
> - anyway, on Venus it would have to withstand the
> enormous pressure of the atmosphere, high winds,
> corrosive gases, etc. Of course, he could have
> just jumped on top of the thing and stopped trying
> to joust with it - that would have saved him a
> beat down the first time.
>
> Come on, who cares about the fence post - I was
> more impressed with the super reaction time the
> tank had when he threw the larger boulder at it,
> and it responded by batting it back at him
> directly. That took some talent huh? :) And yeah,
> you have to wonder how he thought a fence post
> would work better than a 500 pound boulder... that
> always made me wonder though how he didn't just
> rip the arm from his shoulder - it isn't like his
> bones were made of the same material...


I love how they can't blow the thing up, but then he throws a rock at it and has the expression of "shit, it didn't work" when it bounces off. Ummm, a fucking bomb won't work, why would a fucking rock?

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I support this notion.



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Gravis Wrote:
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> Progressive Guy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > how long until the U.S Border
> > Patrol decides it is reasonable to fire upon
> cars
> > and houses with undocumented workers or OMG
> drug
> > smugglers? Is this the sort of message we
> should
> > send?
>
> YES!

If it wasn't illegal I would ship you over seas to a country like Palestine or Iraq forcing you to live amongst the areas where they have most civilian casualties and watch you beg to return. I wouldn't let you leave until you learned to appreciate life. You and other spoiled fucktards need to learn about "consideration for others" and quit thinking only about yourselves.

Some of you fucktards are only intelligent enough to view things from one angle that is handed to you by, bias journalists who get paid to be bias, since you are too stupid to make any valid opinions that would make sense. Most of you fucktards can't comprehend beyond two angles and some of you just don't care.

Firrat Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Progressive Guy Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > how long until the U.S Border
> > > Patrol decides it is reasonable to fire upon
> > cars
> > > and houses with undocumented workers or OMG
> > drug
> > > smugglers? Is this the sort of message we
> > should
> > > send?
> >
> > YES!
>
> If it wasn't illegal I would ship you over seas to
> a country like Palestine or Iraq forcing you to
> live amongst the areas where they have most
> civilian casualties and watch you beg to return. I
> wouldn't let you leave until you learned to
> appreciate life. You and other spoiled fucktards
> need to learn about "consideration for others" and
> quit thinking only about yourselves.
>
> Some of you fucktards are only intelligent enough
> to view things from one angle that is handed to
> you by, bias journalists who get paid to be bias,
> since you are too stupid to make any valid
> opinions that would make sense. Most of you
> fucktards can't comprehend beyond two angles and
> some of you just don't care.
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Firrat Wrote:
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> If it wasn't illegal I would ship you over seas to
> a country like Palestine or Iraq forcing you to
> live amongst the areas where they have most
> civilian casualties and watch you beg to return. I
> wouldn't let you leave until you learned to
> appreciate life. You and other spoiled fucktards
> need to learn about "consideration for others" and
> quit thinking only about yourselves.
>
> Some of you fucktards are only intelligent enough
> to view things from one angle that is handed to
> you by, bias journalists who get paid to be bias,
> since you are too stupid to make any valid
> opinions that would make sense. Most of you
> fucktards can't comprehend beyond two angles and
> some of you just don't care.

Don't be like that. We can't help it. The CIA PUT CHIPS IN OUR BRAINS.

RUN, FIRRAT, BEFORE THEY GET YOU, TOO.

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Firrat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If it wasn't illegal I would ship you over seas
> to
> > a country like Palestine or Iraq forcing you to
> > live amongst the areas where they have most
> > civilian casualties and watch you beg to return.
> I
> > wouldn't let you leave until you learned to
> > appreciate life. You and other spoiled
> fucktards
> > need to learn about "consideration for others"
> and
> > quit thinking only about yourselves.
> >
> > Some of you fucktards are only intelligent
> enough
> > to view things from one angle that is handed to
> > you by, bias journalists who get paid to be
> bias,
> > since you are too stupid to make any valid
> > opinions that would make sense. Most of you
> > fucktards can't comprehend beyond two angles
> and
> > some of you just don't care.
>
> Don't be like that. We can't help it. The CIA
> PUT CHIPS IN OUR BRAINS.
>
> RUN, FIRRAT, BEFORE THEY GET YOU, TOO.


lol

Firrat Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------

> >
> > YES!
>
> If it wasn't illegal I would ship you over seas to
> a country like Palestine or Iraq forcing you to
> live amongst the areas where they have most
> civilian casualties and watch you beg to return. I
> wouldn't let you leave until you learned to
> appreciate life. You and other spoiled fucktards
> need to learn about "consideration for others" and
> quit thinking only about yourselves.
>
> Some of you fucktards are only intelligent enough
> to view things from one angle that is handed to
> you by, bias journalists who get paid to be bias,
> since you are too stupid to make any valid
> opinions that would make sense. Most of you
> fucktards can't comprehend beyond two angles and
> some of you just don't care.



Now Firrat! Remember that pompous speech you gave me last night; I guess that applies to everyone but yourself.


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Eesh.... You don't have a lot of fans.... Do you enjoy being disliked?

Calling people names like "dumb fuck" recklessly misusing the meaning of words will only make you seem like a "dumb fuck".

You sound like a kid who pointlessly surfs forums to make pointless comments to annoy people. I'm pretty sure you don't have a lot of friends in school and the only way you get to socialize is through this forum which I would like to inform you; You are failing at socializing.

You should work on speaking to people with respect. No buddy likes an annoying person who speaks only to make failed attempts at being a smart ass.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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>
> Don't be like that. We can't help it. The CIA
> PUT CHIPS IN OUR BRAINS.
>
> RUN, FIRRAT, BEFORE THEY GET YOU, TOO.

Blessed are the murderous.
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Progressive Guy Wrote:
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> I think this is a leftover idea from the Bush
> Error. I know that they are suppose to be use only
> for intelligence but how long until the U.S Border
> Patrol decides it is reasonable to fire upon cars
> and houses with undocumented workers or OMG drug
> smugglers? Is this the sort of message we should
> send?
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/24/border-dr
> ones-homeland-se_n_623713.html
>
>
> If you are not angry you are not paying attention!


By all means, arm the drones, and make it rain Hellfires upon those POS smugglers.




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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/25/2010 10:29PM by ThePackLeader.

Being hot headed and hostile towards certain problems does not solve sexual frustration.

ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> Progressive Guy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think this is a leftover idea from the Bush
> > Error. I know that they are suppose to be use
> only
> > for intelligence but how long until the U.S
> Border
> > Patrol decides it is reasonable to fire upon
> cars
> > and houses with undocumented workers or OMG
> drug
> > smugglers? Is this the sort of message we
> should
> > send?
> >
> >
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/24/border-dr
>
> > ones-homeland-se_n_623713.html
> >
> >
> > If you are not angry you are not paying
> attention!
>
>
> By all means, arm the drones, and make it rain
> Hellfires upon those POS smugglers.
>
>
> http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategor
> ized/2008/10/08/uav_spike_impact2_2.jpg


It's the drug dealers fault because people use drugs? The smuggler wouldn't care to smuggle drugs to the U.S. if they didn't have business from fucked up teens who need it. I bet you guys assume stopping the smuggling of drugs will stop drug problems. It will create more problems, but the pilots flying the "drones" will get good practice.

Firrat Wrote:
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> It's the drug dealers fault because people use
> drugs?

they dont call it "pushing product" because people are dying to get it.


> The smuggler wouldn't care to smuggle drugs
> to the U.S. if they didn't have business from
> fucked up teens who need it.

seriously, you think they need it?


> I bet you guys assume stopping the smuggling of
> drugs will stop drug problems.

no but it would cause a drastic reduction in drug use.


> It will create more problems

such as?


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Gravis:
---------------------------------------------

> seriously, you think they need it?

Yes. Drug use sparks from depression, pressure from family ,school, work, bored youth and many other reasons/problems we need to solve as society. We are in the process of helping each other in forms of groups, clubs etc., but as jobs/life get more competitive(growth of population) along with strict religious views that promotes "criticism" of others along with materialistic views; It doesn't help society. Teens need drugs after they start it. If they are not addicted to the smuggled drugs then it will be U.S. grown/made drugs with higher prices. People who use are usually weak psychologically and neutralize there negative vision of life or their own life by using drugs.


> no but it would cause a drastic reduction in drug use.

I wish that was the case. Until we understand our youth and work on families creating a better environment for their kids instead of having "failed parents" we will always have this problem; Also society plays a big role. You can't just introduce something as wrong, and to never go near it. You need to burn yourself before you realize fire is harmful. You need to remember drug smugglers are dependent on the buyers. If they don't have enough customers to buy then why take the risk of smuggling?

> It will create more problems
> such as?

People who are addicted or who resort to drugs can turn violent. Like I previously said; drug helps the psychologically weak. These weak individuals are not mentally stable/strong and it is a big reason why they resort to a "easy way out"(drugs). When you take drugs away from them, which they use to neutralize themselves with, you have someone with built up negative visions with "no way out"(no drugs to neutralize themselves of negative energy). They can either direct their energy towards hurting themselves or others because of their weak mental state.

You probably already know about the addicted drug addicts and how violent they can get. Violent drug addicts are on Youtube.

Holy shit, dude, you are warped. I'm amazed by your apparent lack of thought.

Why do you come across as arrogant when you are "explaining" your reality to these people?

You're the type of guy that has it all figured out, huh?

Drugs are what these "teens" need, right? It's the ONLY THING IN THE UNIVERSE that can help them---er---- neutralize their aggression?

What's your angle, friend? What kind of sick, twisted, unholy, bible camp did you emerge from?

Peace be with you, Firrat.

Firrat Wrote:
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> Gravis:
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> > seriously, you think they need it?
>
> Yes. Drug use sparks from depression, pressure
> from family ,school, work, bored youth and many
> other reasons/problems we need to solve as
> society. We are in the process of helping each
> other in forms of groups, clubs etc., but as
> jobs/life get more competitive(growth of
> population) along with strict religious views that
> promotes "criticism" of others along with
> materialistic views; It doesn't help society.
> Teens need drugs after they start it. If they are
> not addicted to the smuggled drugs then it will be
> U.S. grown/made drugs with higher prices. People
> who use are usually weak psychologically and
> neutralize there negative vision of life or their
> own life by using drugs.
>
>
> > no but it would cause a drastic reduction in
> drug use.
>
> I wish that was the case. Until we understand our
> youth and work on families creating a better
> environment for their kids instead of having
> "failed parents" we will always have this problem;
> Also society plays a big role. You can't just
> introduce something as wrong, and to never go near
> it. You need to burn yourself before you realize
> fire is harmful. You need to remember drug
> smugglers are dependent on the buyers. If they
> don't have enough customers to buy then why take
> the risk of smuggling?
>
> > It will create more problems
> > such as?
>
> People who are addicted or who resort to drugs can
> turn violent. Like I previously said; drug helps
> the psychologically weak. These weak individuals
> are not mentally stable/strong and it is a big
> reason why they resort to a "easy way out"(drugs).
> When you take drugs away from them, which they use
> to neutralize themselves with, you have someone
> with built up negative visions with "no way
> out"(no drugs to neutralize themselves of negative
> energy). They can either direct their energy
> towards hurting themselves or others because of
> their weak mental state.
>
> You probably already know about the addicted drug
> addicts and how violent they can get. Violent drug
> addicts are on Youtube.

Firrat, you are so correct!




Firrat Wrote:
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> Gravis:
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> > seriously, you think they need it?
>
> Yes. Drug use sparks from depression, pressure
> from family ,school, work, bored youth and many
> other reasons/problems we need to solve as
> society. We are in the process of helping each
> other in forms of groups, clubs etc., but as
> jobs/life get more competitive(growth of
> population) along with strict religious views that
> promotes "criticism" of others along with
> materialistic views; It doesn't help society.
> Teens need drugs after they start it. If they are
> not addicted to the smuggled drugs then it will be
> U.S. grown/made drugs with higher prices. People
> who use are usually weak psychologically and
> neutralize there negative vision of life or their
> own life by using drugs.
>
>
> > no but it would cause a drastic reduction in
> drug use.
>
> I wish that was the case. Until we understand our
> youth and work on families creating a better
> environment for their kids instead of having
> "failed parents" we will always have this problem;
> Also society plays a big role. You can't just
> introduce something as wrong, and to never go near
> it. You need to burn yourself before you realize
> fire is harmful. You need to remember drug
> smugglers are dependent on the buyers. If they
> don't have enough customers to buy then why take
> the risk of smuggling?
>
> > It will create more problems
> > such as?
>
> People who are addicted or who resort to drugs can
> turn violent. Like I previously said; drug helps
> the psychologically weak. These weak individuals
> are not mentally stable/strong and it is a big
> reason why they resort to a "easy way out"(drugs).
> When you take drugs away from them, which they use
> to neutralize themselves with, you have someone
> with built up negative visions with "no way
> out"(no drugs to neutralize themselves of negative
> energy). They can either direct their energy
> towards hurting themselves or others because of
> their weak mental state.
>
> You probably already know about the addicted drug
> addicts and how violent they can get. Violent drug
> addicts are on Youtube.

Progressive Guy Wrote:
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> Firrat, you are so correct!
>
>
>
>
> Firrat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gravis:
> > ---------------------------------------------
> >
> > > seriously, you think they need it?
> >
> > Yes. Drug use sparks from depression, pressure
> > from family ,school, work, bored youth and many
> > other reasons/problems we need to solve as
> > society. We are in the process of helping each
> > other in forms of groups, clubs etc., but as
> > jobs/life get more competitive(growth of
> > population) along with strict religious views
> that
> > promotes "criticism" of others along with
> > materialistic views; It doesn't help society.
> > Teens need drugs after they start it. If they
> are
> > not addicted to the smuggled drugs then it will
> be
> > U.S. grown/made drugs with higher prices.
> People
> > who use are usually weak psychologically and
> > neutralize there negative vision of life or
> their
> > own life by using drugs.
> >
> >
> > > no but it would cause a drastic reduction in
> > drug use.
> >
> > I wish that was the case. Until we understand
> our
> > youth and work on families creating a better
> > environment for their kids instead of having
> > "failed parents" we will always have this
> problem;
> > Also society plays a big role. You can't just
> > introduce something as wrong, and to never go
> near
> > it. You need to burn yourself before you
> realize
> > fire is harmful. You need to remember drug
> > smugglers are dependent on the buyers. If they
> > don't have enough customers to buy then why
> take
> > the risk of smuggling?
> >
> > > It will create more problems
> > > such as?
> >
> > People who are addicted or who resort to drugs
> can
> > turn violent. Like I previously said; drug
> helps
> > the psychologically weak. These weak
> individuals
> > are not mentally stable/strong and it is a big
> > reason why they resort to a "easy way
> out"(drugs).
> > When you take drugs away from them, which they
> use
> > to neutralize themselves with, you have someone
> > with built up negative visions with "no way
> > out"(no drugs to neutralize themselves of
> negative
> > energy). They can either direct their energy
> > towards hurting themselves or others because of
> > their weak mental state.
> >
> > You probably already know about the addicted
> drug
> > addicts and how violent they can get. Violent
> drug
> > addicts are on Youtube.


That was sooooo worth quoting the entire previous posts. /irony (for those retards who may not have caught it)

Firrat, tell us how the CIA is responsible for the drug wars in Mexico....

Are there reptile people involved? What about the government agents that master- minded 9/11?

eesh Wrote:
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> Firrat, tell us how the CIA is responsible for the
> drug wars in Mexico....
>
> Are there reptile people involved? What about the
> government agents that master- minded 9/11?


I hope in a few years you are able to stay strong with your point and stupidity of being naive.



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Firrat Wrote:
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> I hope in a few years you are able to stay strong
> with your point and stupidity of being naive.
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eesh Wrote:
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> Firrat, tell us how the CIA is responsible for the
> drug wars in Mexico....
>
> Are there reptile people involved? What about the
> government agents that master- minded 9/11?

Sssssstop talking about usssssss... We will deal with Firrat sssssssoon enough...

Sssss...

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Firrat, tell us how the CIA is responsible for
> the
> > drug wars in Mexico....
> >
> > Are there reptile people involved? What about
> the
> > government agents that master- minded 9/11?
>
> Sssssstop talking about usssssss... We will deal
> with Firrat sssssssoon enough...


>
> Sssss...

You might not want to joke like this. ;)

Firrat Wrote:
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> Gravis:
> -----------------------------------------------------
> > seriously, you think they need it?
>
> Yes. Drug use sparks from depression, pressure
> from family ,school, work, bored youth and many
> other reasons/problems we need to solve as
> society. We are in the process of helping each
> other in forms of groups, clubs etc.

you are addressing the wrong issue. how about we start treating people that have depression with something that is designed for that specific issue?


> Teens need drugs after they start it.

that's called addiction and it's exactly what's trying to be prevented.


> If they are not addicted to the smuggled drugs
> then it will be U.S. grown/made drugs with higher
> prices.

if you hadnt noticed, the higher the price of something, the less of it people buy. smoking is expensive and less people start smoking because of that.


> People who use are usually weak psychologically and
> neutralize there negative vision of life or their
> own life by using drugs.

i think you underestimate people and have a seriously skewed view of people suffering from depression.


> > no but it would cause a drastic reduction in
> > drug use.
>
> I wish that was the case. Until we understand our
> youth and work on families creating a better
> environment for their kids instead of having
> "failed parents" we will always have this problem;

so you are addressing the wrong issue. treat the symptom and not the cause.


> Also society plays a big role. You can't just
> introduce something as wrong, and to never go near
> it. You need to burn yourself before you realize
> fire is harmful.

i've never abused drugs or smoked and it didnt take getting burned before i understood that things that are hot are harmful. in the same way, it didnt take getting into a car accident to realize that car accidents are also harmful. you can learn from other people without having to make the same mistake.


> You need to remember drug
> smugglers are dependent on the buyers. If they
> don't have enough customers to buy then why take
> the risk of smuggling?

they "push" their "product" onto new people (see teens), get them addicted and then they have an addict that will fork over money for it. there is also the "friend" who says, "you have to try this" which continues the chain.


> > It will create more problems such as?
>
> People who are addicted or who resort to drugs can
> turn violent.

lol wut?


> Like I previously said; drug helps
> the psychologically weak. These weak individuals
> are not mentally stable/strong and it is a big
> reason why they resort to a "easy way out"(drugs).
> When you take drugs away from them, which they use
> to neutralize themselves with, you have someone
> with built up negative visions with "no way
> out"

if you are talking about depression, more often than not it's a psychiatric issue that causes psychological effects.


> (no drugs to neutralize themselves of negative energy).

lol wut?


> They can either direct their energy
> towards hurting themselves or others because of
> their weak mental state.

that's called depression. also, it's rare that such people turn violent.


> You probably already know about the addicted drug
> addicts and how violent they can get. Violent drug
> addicts are on Youtube.

people on PCP sure but if they are addicted to hardcore drugs. they would be more likely to be thieves.


illicit drugs do not treat depression properly. it's more of a quick fix that doesnt last. telling people that it helps is doing them a disservice as they are less likely to get the treatment they need.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Firrat Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > Sssssstop talking about usssssss... We will
> > deal with Firrat sssssssoon enough...
> >
> > Sssss...
>
> You might not want to joke like this. ;)

What, are you going to call the cops and say, "MrMephisto was making fun of my conspiracy theories by pretending to be a lizard person on the internet?"

Tell you what: I'm a nice guy. If you feel you are genuinely threatened by the Lizard People Conspiracy, think that I might be a lizard person in on said Lizard People Conspiracy, and thus feel genuinely threatened by my Lizard People Conspiracy statement, then I apologize.

To clarify: I am not really a lizard person, nor am I part of any Lizard People Conspiracy. If lizard people start harassing you because you "just couldn't let it go," rest assured that I have no affiliation with them whatsoever.













Sssssssss...

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Firrat, I'm probably going to be banned for posting personal pics, but this is an actual picture of MrMephisto. I wouldn't mock reptiles if I was you.
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Gravis Wrote:
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> Firrat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gravis:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
> ---
> > > seriously, you think they need it?
> >
> > Yes. Drug use sparks from depression, pressure
> > from family ,school, work, bored youth and many
> > other reasons/problems we need to solve as
> > society. We are in the process of helping each
> > other in forms of groups, clubs etc.
>
> you are addressing the wrong issue. how about we
> start treating people that have depression with
> something that is designed for that specific
> issue?

We want to fix it, but corporations don't. Why would a corporation fix an illness and lose customers when they can temporarily fix it so customers continuously return spending money in order to keep their illness under control? They want us to believe we are ill so doctors along with medicine companies can continue to bank the money. This isn't just in the medical field.




> > Teens need drugs after they start it.
>
> that's called addiction and it's exactly what's
> trying to be prevented.

Weed is a kind of drug that can be stopped without any after effects, but people will still resort to other drugs or form of getting high because they are simply unhappy while sober.
>
>
> > If they are not addicted to the smuggled drugs
> > then it will be U.S. grown/made drugs with
> higher
> > prices.
>
> if you hadnt noticed, the higher the price of
> something, the less of it people buy. smoking is
> expensive and less people start smoking because of
> that.

People who smoke did not simply quit their addiction over night because they couldn't afford it. Less people started picking up smoking with the help of the media scaring them away from the addiction and after effects.

If drug addicts can't afford these drugs then they will steal it causing more violence.



> > People who use are usually weak psychologically
> and
> > neutralize there negative vision of life or
> their
> > own life by using drugs.
>
> i think you underestimate people and have a
> seriously skewed view of people suffering from
> depression.
>
>
> > > no but it would cause a drastic reduction in
> > > drug use.


> > I wish that was the case. Until we understand
> our
> > youth and work on families creating a better
> > environment for their kids instead of having
> > "failed parents" we will always have this
> problem;
>
> so you are addressing the wrong issue. treat the
> symptom and not the cause.

Priority is our future(kids). If people want drugs they will find it. We can never truly stop smuggling or drugs. We can only help structure society to sway away from using drugs by "redefining" certain things like "fun". Whoever is using and is addicted will need to stop on their own power. Our goal is the future. Drugs will always be around for the people who need it. It is only fair that every child has parents who will correctly parent a child causing the child to look up to their father, mother, family member as a role model who will have the kid believe they are on earth to work for the good of the human kind.

> > Also society plays a big role. You can't just
> > introduce something as wrong, and to never go
> near
> > it. You need to burn yourself before you
> realize
> > fire is harmful.
>
> i've never abused drugs or smoked and it didnt
> take getting burned before i understood that
> things that are hot are harmful. in the same way,
> it didnt take getting into a car accident to
> realize that car accidents are also harmful. you
> can learn from other people without having to make
> the same mistake.

For some it doesn't require being burned, but for the more curious it does. Likewise for some they need to get into a car accident to be more aware/careful. Not everyone is smart or as bright. Some people did not have the parents who could give and show certain things to help their kid head in the right direction.


>
> > You need to remember drug
> > smugglers are dependent on the buyers. If they
> > don't have enough customers to buy then why
> take
> > the risk of smuggling?
>
> they "push" their "product" onto new people (see
> teens), get them addicted and then they have an
> addict that will fork over money for it. there is
> also the "friend" who says, "you have to try this"
> which continues the chain.

Kids who look up to their parents have a strong mind and walk away from the dealers who try to "push products" to them. Those people who "push" their products will always be there. It's like playing "whack-it" with drug dealers.


>
> > > It will create more problems such as?
> >
> > People who are addicted or who resort to drugs
> can
> > turn violent.
>
> lol wut?

Do you disagree that drug users and people who resort to drugs will get violent? What do you think they will do instead? These are people with brains & problems not plants who only require sun/water/soil etc. etc....

>
>
> > Like I previously said; drug helps
> > the psychologically weak. These weak
> individuals
> > are not mentally stable/strong and it is a big
> > reason why they resort to a "easy way
> out"(drugs).
> > When you take drugs away from them, which they
> use
> > to neutralize themselves with, you have someone
> > with built up negative visions with "no way
> > out"
>
> if you are talking about depression, more often
> than not it's a psychiatric issue that causes
> psychological effects.
>
>
> > (no drugs to neutralize themselves of negative
> energy).
>
> lol wut?

Most people who use drugs feel better about themselves while high. They hate being sober and dislike their situation. That is negative thought.

>
> > They can either direct their energy
> > towards hurting themselves or others because of
> > their weak mental state.
>
> that's called depression. also, it's rare that
> such people turn violent.

Source?

> > You probably already know about the addicted
> drug
> > addicts and how violent they can get. Violent
> drug
> > addicts are on Youtube.
>
> people on PCP sure but if they are addicted to
> hardcore drugs. they would be more likely to be
> thieves.
>
>
> illicit drugs do not treat depression properly.
> it's more of a quick fix that doesnt last.
> telling people that it helps is doing them a
> disservice as they are less likely to get the
> treatment they need.

Thank corporations for illicit drugs who have very well paid lobbyists.

Firrat Wrote:
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>
> Thank corporations for illicit drugs who have very
> well paid lobbyists.



So now major corporations are the ones bringing in the drugs? I can't keep up with you Firrat.

Blessed are the murderous.

eesh Wrote:
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> Firrat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Thank corporations for illicit drugs who have
> very
> > well paid lobbyists.
>
>
>
> So now major corporations are the ones bringing in
> the drugs? I can't keep up with you Firrat.

Illicit without a prescription.
Legitimate with prescription.



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Firrat Wrote:
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>
> Illicit without a prescription.
> Legit with prescription.


Okay....and how is this the corporations' fault? I'll agree that pharmaceutical companies are over aggressive in their marketing practices, but that is irrelevant to this argument. We are talking about Mexico, the drug cartels, etc., not people getting prescription drugs without doctors' approval and prescription.

Apples and oranges Mr. Firrat.

Blessed are the murderous.

eesh Wrote:
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> Firrat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Illicit without a prescription.
> > Legit with prescription.
>
>
> Okay....and how is this the corporations' fault?
> I'll agree that pharmaceutical companies are over
> aggressive in their marketing practices, but that
> is irrelevant to this argument. We are talking
> about Mexico, the drug cartels, etc., not people
> getting prescription drugs without doctors'
> approval and prescription.
>
> Apples and oranges Mr. Firrat.

Eesh...... If you read the previous posts between me and Gravis things will surprisingly make more sense.

Did you know the US provides a lot of the precursor chemicals to these south American countries, such as ammonia and sodium bicarbonate, to create these drugs, like cocaine, which infiltrate the borders into the US? Firrat has a point... While we think they have decent control over these shipments, they don't.

Yes, Gravis was talking about illicit drugs (weed, cocaine, etc.) not solving someone's depression. You then started talking about people getting drugs without prescriptions. Apples and Oranges.

Blessed are the murderous.

Firrat Wrote:
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> We want to fix it, but corporations don't. Why
> would a corporation fix an illness and lose
> customers when they can temporarily fix it so
> customers continuously return spending money in
> order to keep their illness under control? They
> want us to believe we are ill so doctors along
> with medicine companies can continue to bank the
> money. This isn't just in the medical field.

i know exactly what you are talking about. however, mental illnesses have no cure because they are genetic. you cant just "get better" from a mental illness like it's the flu, it's has to be treated for life.


> People who smoke did not simply quit their
> addiction over night because they couldn't afford
> it. Less people started picking up smoking with
> the help of the media scaring them away from the
> addiction and after effects.

i'm talking about tobacco, it sounds like you arent. i'm saying less people are starting to smoke in part because of it's high price. it's good to hear that the media is actually doing something worthwhile.


> If drug addicts can't afford these drugs then they
> will steal it causing more violence.

stealing != violence.


> Priority is our future(kids).

why? i dont give a shit about kids or "the future" because today is the only thing that matters.


> If people want drugs
> they will find it. We can never truly stop
> smuggling or drugs.

we cant stop drugs but we can stop smugglers.


> We can only help structure society to sway away
> from using drugs by "redefining" certain things
> like "fun".

jail isnt fun... so mission accomplished. ;)


> Whoever is using and is addicted will need to stop
> on their own power.


> Our goal is the future.

speak for yourself.


> Drugs will always be around for the people who need it.

nobody needs illicit drugs.


> It is
> only fair that every child has parents who will
> correctly parent a child causing the child to look
> up to their father, mother, family member as a
> role model who will have the kid believe they are
> on earth to work for the good of the human kind.

the world isnt fair. come back to reality.


> For some it doesn't require being burned, but for
> the more curious it does.

wrong.


> Kids who look up to their parents have a strong
> mind and walk away from the dealers who try to
> "push products" to them.

wrong.


> Those people who "push"
> their products will always be there. It's like
> playing "whack-it" with drug dealers.

there will also always be crime. should we just give up and stop trying to catch criminals?


> Do you disagree that drug users and people who
> resort to drugs will get violent? What do you
> think they will do instead?

suffer and/or go to rehab. there is always a small percentage that will shoot up the place. i mean, that stuff happens even when drugs arent involved.


> Most people who use drugs feel better about
> themselves while high. They hate being sober and
> dislike their situation. That is negative
> thought.

and people that get the proper help dont have those same kind of negative thoughts but rather are like the rest of the world.


> Thank corporations for illicit drugs who have very
> well paid lobbyists.

so... corporations are manufacturing illicit drugs? o_O?


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

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Nat GEo has boarder wars on right now. Pretty interesting

WingNut Wrote:
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> Gravis is pretty profound with the quote "I don't
> have to be in a car accident to know I don't want
> to be in one". I mean no sarcasm and wish the rest
> of the world (including myself) learned as easy.

you is tarded. ;D


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."