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They voted how again? 6 times?
Posted by:
Registered Voter
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Date: June 15, 2010 01:42PM
There is something really wrong with this picture... I understand what they think they are trying to do, but I don't get the implementation at all. It seems counter-intuitive to solving the problem, and looks to create even worse problems.
Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100615/ap_on_el_st_lo/us_voting_rights_election
So.. most voters were white... and white candidates always won. Somehow it seems the obvious question here is, why were the Hispanic folks not voting? Intimidation? Just plain not understanding the system? etc...?
The solution seems much worse then the problem. Much.
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100615/ap_on_el_st_lo/us_voting_rights_election
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Furano cast multiple votes on the instructions of a federal judge and the U.S. Department of Justice as part of a new election system crafted to help boost Hispanic representation.
Voters in Port Chester, 25 miles northeast of New York City, are electing village trustees for the first time since the federal government alleged in 2006 that the existing election system was unfair. The election ends Tuesday and results are expected late Tuesday night.
Although the village of about 30,000 residents is nearly half Hispanic, no Latino had ever been elected to any of the six trustee seats, which until now were chosen in a conventional at-large election. Most voters were white, and white candidates always won.
Federal Judge Stephen Robinson said that violated the Voting Rights Act, and he approved a remedy suggested by village officials: a system called cumulative voting, in which residents get six votes each to apportion as they wish among the candidates. He rejected a government proposal to break the village into six districts, including one that took in heavily Hispanic areas.
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So.. most voters were white... and white candidates always won. Somehow it seems the obvious question here is, why were the Hispanic folks not voting? Intimidation? Just plain not understanding the system? etc...?
The solution seems much worse then the problem. Much.
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Re: They voted how again? 6 times?
Posted by:
Johnny Walker
()
Date: June 15, 2010 02:15PM
I like the idea of cumulative voting actually, if done right. I'm not sure if they're doing it right in this case though. The way I understood it was you kind of rank your candidates, so say some of your votes goes to X, and some of your other votes go to Y, but that's when there are several candidates instead of our usual 2. The pool is eventually whittled down to the two front runners, so if one of them, say Y, gets eliminated, then your other votes move to your "second choice" candidate, say X.
I'm not sure if that's what they are doing here, and maybe I'm thinking of an entirely different system than "cumulative," but I like the idea. It's kind of an automatic runoff.
I'm not sure if that's what they are doing here, and maybe I'm thinking of an entirely different system than "cumulative," but I like the idea. It's kind of an automatic runoff.
Re: They voted how again? 6 times?
Posted by:
Mr. Misery
()
Date: June 15, 2010 03:12PM
me not understand. me no like politics.
Re: They voted how again? 6 times?
Posted by:
Memories...
()
Date: June 15, 2010 03:28PM
Lani Guinier's advocacy of cumulative voting was one of several things that shot down her nomination for Asst Atty General during the Clinton era.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lani_Guinier#Alternative_Voting_Systems
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lani_Guinier#Alternative_Voting_Systems
Re: They voted how again? 6 times?
Posted by:
eesh
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Date: June 15, 2010 09:39PM
Mr. Misery Wrote:
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> me not understand. me no like politics.
It's easy, anyone that doesn't agree with your politics you devalue by calling them idiots, trolls, Vince(r) or Vince(d), etc.
Blessed are the murderous.
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> me not understand. me no like politics.
It's easy, anyone that doesn't agree with your politics you devalue by calling them idiots, trolls, Vince(r) or Vince(d), etc.
Blessed are the murderous.
Re: They voted how again? 6 times?
Posted by:
Registered Voter
()
Date: June 15, 2010 09:40PM
Shut up eesh.
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Re: They voted how again? 6 times?
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: June 15, 2010 10:08PM
Strike a nerve RV? It's not just you, this Firrat and his uhhcya wingman is a force to be reckoned with.
Blessed are the murderous.
Blessed are the murderous.
Re: They voted how again? 6 times?
Posted by:
Registered Voter
()
Date: June 15, 2010 10:12PM
eesh Wrote:
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> Strike a nerve RV? It's not just you, this Firrat
> and his uhhcya wingman is a force to be reckoned
> with.
Eesh - are you sure you aren't spunky?
If I could have put in "sotto voce" somehow I would have. It was meant to be the same as "who asked you eesh, stfu :)" I just decided to be more succinct in my delivery. My bad :)
Firrat is a brainwashed idiot. Kind of like a Palestinian-loving (instead of Hispanic-loving) version of Vince(1).
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
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> Strike a nerve RV? It's not just you, this Firrat
> and his uhhcya wingman is a force to be reckoned
> with.
Eesh - are you sure you aren't spunky?
If I could have put in "sotto voce" somehow I would have. It was meant to be the same as "who asked you eesh, stfu :)" I just decided to be more succinct in my delivery. My bad :)
Firrat is a brainwashed idiot. Kind of like a Palestinian-loving (instead of Hispanic-loving) version of Vince(1).
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Re: They voted how again? 6 times?
Posted by:
eJeesh
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Date: June 15, 2010 10:14PM
eesh Wrote:
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> Strike a nerve RV? It's not just you, this Firrat
> and his uhhcya wingman is a force to be reckoned
> with.
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> Strike a nerve RV? It's not just you, this Firrat
> and his uhhcya wingman is a force to be reckoned
> with.
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Re: They voted how again? 6 times?
Posted by:
eJeesh
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Date: June 15, 2010 10:24PM
Registered Voter Wrote:
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> eesh Wrote:
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> -----
> > Strike a nerve RV? It's not just you, this
> Firrat
> > and his uhhcya wingman is a force to be
> reckoned
> > with.
>
> Eesh - are you sure you aren't spunky?
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> eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Strike a nerve RV? It's not just you, this
> Firrat
> > and his uhhcya wingman is a force to be
> reckoned
> > with.
>
> Eesh - are you sure you aren't spunky?
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Re: They voted how again? 6 times?
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: June 15, 2010 10:25PM
Registered Voter Wrote:
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> eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Strike a nerve RV? It's not just you, this
> Firrat
> > and his uhhcya wingman is a force to be
> reckoned
> > with.
>
> Eesh - are you sure you aren't spunky?
>
> If I could have put in "sotto voce" somehow I
> would have. It was meant to be the same as "who
> asked you eesh, stfu :)" I just decided to be more
> succinct in my delivery. My bad :)
>
> Firrat is a brainwashed idiot. Kind of like a
> Palestinian-loving (instead of Hispanic-loving)
> version of Vince(1).
No, fortunately I'm not spunky. I prefer soprano rather than sotto, and Firrat should be on some terrorist watchlist.
Blessed are the murderous.
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> eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Strike a nerve RV? It's not just you, this
> Firrat
> > and his uhhcya wingman is a force to be
> reckoned
> > with.
>
> Eesh - are you sure you aren't spunky?
>
> If I could have put in "sotto voce" somehow I
> would have. It was meant to be the same as "who
> asked you eesh, stfu :)" I just decided to be more
> succinct in my delivery. My bad :)
>
> Firrat is a brainwashed idiot. Kind of like a
> Palestinian-loving (instead of Hispanic-loving)
> version of Vince(1).
No, fortunately I'm not spunky. I prefer soprano rather than sotto, and Firrat should be on some terrorist watchlist.
Blessed are the murderous.
Re: They voted how again? 6 times?
Posted by:
eJeesh
()
Date: June 15, 2010 10:26PM
eesh Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > eesh Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Strike a nerve RV? It's not just you, this
> > Firrat
> > > and his uhhcya wingman is a force to be
> > reckoned
> > > with.
> >
> > Eesh - are you sure you aren't spunky?
> >
> > If I could have put in "sotto voce" somehow I
> > would have. It was meant to be the same as "who
> > asked you eesh, stfu :)" I just decided to be
> more
> > succinct in my delivery. My bad :)
> >
> > Firrat is a brainwashed idiot. Kind of like a
> > Palestinian-loving (instead of Hispanic-loving)
> > version of Vince(1).
>
>
>
> No, fortunately I'm not spunky. I prefer soprano
> rather than sotto, and Firrat should be on some
> terrorist watchlist.
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
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> -----
> > eesh Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Strike a nerve RV? It's not just you, this
> > Firrat
> > > and his uhhcya wingman is a force to be
> > reckoned
> > > with.
> >
> > Eesh - are you sure you aren't spunky?
> >
> > If I could have put in "sotto voce" somehow I
> > would have. It was meant to be the same as "who
> > asked you eesh, stfu :)" I just decided to be
> more
> > succinct in my delivery. My bad :)
> >
> > Firrat is a brainwashed idiot. Kind of like a
> > Palestinian-loving (instead of Hispanic-loving)
> > version of Vince(1).
>
>
>
> No, fortunately I'm not spunky. I prefer soprano
> rather than sotto, and Firrat should be on some
> terrorist watchlist.
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Re: They voted how again? 6 times?
Posted by:
ThePackLeader
()
Date: June 16, 2010 08:44PM
This vote thing is stupid. What next, we each receive a coupon that grants us a certain number of votes?
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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
Re: They voted how again? 6 times?
Posted by:
Mrs Jellyby
()
Date: June 16, 2010 10:04PM
ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> This vote thing is stupid. What next, we each
> receive a coupon that grants us a certain number
> of votes?
"Cumulative voting" is essentially affirmative action in voting.
In an attempt to "level the playing field" for minority voters, the government favors certain racial and ethnic groups (eg, it "help(s) boost Hispanic representation") and disfavors others.
Cumulative voting thus requires the government to engage in active discrimination.
But the intent of the Voting Rights Act was to force the government to stop engaging in discrimination by implementing racially neutral rules - i.e., to achieve "a level playing field" through procedural fairness.
Judge Robinson's dubious interpretation of the law constitutes a return to the kind of government-mandated racial favoritism that the Voting Rights Act was intended to abolish. It plainly contravenes the rule of equal protection under the law guaranteed by the 14th Amendment.
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> This vote thing is stupid. What next, we each
> receive a coupon that grants us a certain number
> of votes?
"Cumulative voting" is essentially affirmative action in voting.
In an attempt to "level the playing field" for minority voters, the government favors certain racial and ethnic groups (eg, it "help(s) boost Hispanic representation") and disfavors others.
Cumulative voting thus requires the government to engage in active discrimination.
But the intent of the Voting Rights Act was to force the government to stop engaging in discrimination by implementing racially neutral rules - i.e., to achieve "a level playing field" through procedural fairness.
Judge Robinson's dubious interpretation of the law constitutes a return to the kind of government-mandated racial favoritism that the Voting Rights Act was intended to abolish. It plainly contravenes the rule of equal protection under the law guaranteed by the 14th Amendment.