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just thought it would be fun to post because there seem to be so many pro-smoking people on FU. oh and why arent be taxing the hell out of these advertisements (or are we)?
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Welcome to Fairfax Underground, a project site designed to improve communication among residents of Fairfax County, VA. Feel free to post anything Northern Virginia residents would find interesting.
how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: June 23, 2009 02:13PM
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Obama signs tobacco bill into law
US President Barack Obama has signed into law America's strongest anti-smoking measure ever, saying it will save lives.
The US Food and Drug Administration now has new powers to regulate the content and marketing of tobacco products.
Hailed as a milestone in the history of tobacco regulation, the bill was passed by Congress earlier this month.
About one in five Americans smoke and some 440,000 die each year of smoking-related illnesses.
Mr Obama said in the White House Rose Garden: "When I ran for president, I did so because I believed that... it was possible for us to bring change to Washington."
He added: "Today, despite decades of lobbying and advertising by the tobacco industry, we passed a law to help protect the next generation of Americans from growing up with a deadly habit that so many of our generation have lived with."
Tougher regulation was stiffly opposed by the industry and tobacco's political backers.
Before now, tobacco was more lightly regulated than cosmetics or pet food, and previous attempts at FDA regulation were struck down by the Supreme Court as requiring congressional approval.
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just thought it would be fun to post because there seem to be so many pro-smoking people on FU. oh and why arent be taxing the hell out of these advertisements (or are we)?
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Harry Tuttle
()
Date: June 23, 2009 03:56PM
I don't think it's actually going to make less people smoke (or make people smoke less for that matter). Tobacco is a drug, though, and I guess it's only appropriate that the FDA have a say in it.
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: June 23, 2009 04:24PM
Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> I don't think it's actually going to make less
> people smoke (or make people smoke less for that
> matter). Tobacco is a drug, though, and I guess
> it's only appropriate that the FDA have a say in
> it.
it's nicotine that's the drug, tobacco is just the carrier.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> I don't think it's actually going to make less
> people smoke (or make people smoke less for that
> matter). Tobacco is a drug, though, and I guess
> it's only appropriate that the FDA have a say in
> it.
it's nicotine that's the drug, tobacco is just the carrier.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
bdimag
()
Date: June 23, 2009 04:28PM
i heard this on the radio... sounds crazy... but i have no probs with it.
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: June 23, 2009 04:35PM
bdimag Wrote:
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> i heard this on the radio... sounds crazy... but i
> have no probs with it.
no, what's crazy is that tabacco isnt illegal.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> i heard this on the radio... sounds crazy... but i
> have no probs with it.
no, what's crazy is that tabacco isnt illegal.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Harry Tuttle
()
Date: June 23, 2009 04:36PM
Ok, fair enough! Not much of a fan of synecdoche? Would you similarly correct someone for calling pot or mushrooms a drug?
edit: dern prepositions...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/23/2009 04:37PM by Harry Tuttle.
edit: dern prepositions...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/23/2009 04:37PM by Harry Tuttle.
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Dwight.
()
Date: June 23, 2009 04:41PM
Gravis Wrote:
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> bdimag Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > i heard this on the radio... sounds crazy... but
> i
> > have no probs with it.
>
> no, what's crazy is that tabacco isnt illegal.
Whats crazy is that legal tobacco kills over 440,000 Americans a year and illegal marijuana kills 0 Americans a year. Good job government at protecting your citizens!
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> bdimag Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > i heard this on the radio... sounds crazy... but
> i
> > have no probs with it.
>
> no, what's crazy is that tabacco isnt illegal.
Whats crazy is that legal tobacco kills over 440,000 Americans a year and illegal marijuana kills 0 Americans a year. Good job government at protecting your citizens!
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Furfur
()
Date: June 23, 2009 04:49PM
Dwight. Wrote:
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> Whats crazy is that legal tobacco kills over
> 440,000 Americans a year and illegal marijuana
> kills 0 Americans a year. Good job government at
> protecting your citizens!
I am sure if weed became legal, you would see statistics and studies showing the harmful effects. But keep smoking it Dwight, at least you can't have kids when your nutsack is filled with tumors.
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“It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful." - Anton Lavey
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> Whats crazy is that legal tobacco kills over
> 440,000 Americans a year and illegal marijuana
> kills 0 Americans a year. Good job government at
> protecting your citizens!
I am sure if weed became legal, you would see statistics and studies showing the harmful effects. But keep smoking it Dwight, at least you can't have kids when your nutsack is filled with tumors.
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“It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful." - Anton Lavey
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Dwight.
()
Date: June 23, 2009 04:51PM
Furfur Wrote:
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> Dwight. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Whats crazy is that legal tobacco kills over
> > 440,000 Americans a year and illegal marijuana
> > kills 0 Americans a year. Good job government
> at
> > protecting your citizens!
>
> I am sure if weed became legal, you would see
> statistics and studies showing the harmful
> effects. But keep smoking it Dwight, at least you
> can't have kids when your nutsack is filled with
> tumors.
No sticks no seeds and no stems, strictly. I do not smoke though, but if i did that would be rule number one.
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> Dwight. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Whats crazy is that legal tobacco kills over
> > 440,000 Americans a year and illegal marijuana
> > kills 0 Americans a year. Good job government
> at
> > protecting your citizens!
>
> I am sure if weed became legal, you would see
> statistics and studies showing the harmful
> effects. But keep smoking it Dwight, at least you
> can't have kids when your nutsack is filled with
> tumors.
No sticks no seeds and no stems, strictly. I do not smoke though, but if i did that would be rule number one.
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: June 23, 2009 05:00PM
Dwight. Wrote:
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> Whats crazy is that legal tobacco kills over
> 440,000 Americans a year and illegal marijuana
> kills 0 Americans a year. Good job government at
> protecting your citizens!
i would prefer the public have something kills some people as opposed to a drug that makes them stupid. there are enough stupid people in the world.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> Whats crazy is that legal tobacco kills over
> 440,000 Americans a year and illegal marijuana
> kills 0 Americans a year. Good job government at
> protecting your citizens!
i would prefer the public have something kills some people as opposed to a drug that makes them stupid. there are enough stupid people in the world.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Dwight.
()
Date: June 23, 2009 05:04PM
agreed to disagree.
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: June 23, 2009 05:05PM
Dwight. Wrote:
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> agreed to disagree.
i do not agree to your terms to disagree.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> agreed to disagree.
i do not agree to your terms to disagree.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Dwight.
()
Date: June 23, 2009 05:38PM
well we are just going to have to live with our differences aren't we?
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Coke is It!
()
Date: June 23, 2009 09:41PM
Smoking is wick-wick-wack. Everybody knows that pure cut cocaine is the way to go.
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: June 23, 2009 09:45PM
“See, I think drugs have done some good things for us, I really do, and if you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor: go home tonight and take all your albums, all your tapes, and all your cds and burn 'em. Because you know the musicians who made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Rrrrrrrrreal fuckin' high on drugs.”
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Dwight.
()
Date: June 23, 2009 10:40PM
hahaha who said that?
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Kenny_Powers
()
Date: June 24, 2009 12:14AM
Gravis Wrote:
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> bdimag Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > i heard this on the radio... sounds crazy... but
> i
> > have no probs with it.
>
> no, what's crazy is that tabacco isnt illegal.
+1
i smoke and i fully agree that it should be illegal. atleast this bill lets them regulate all of the shit they add to the tobacco to make it much worse than it already is.
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> bdimag Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > i heard this on the radio... sounds crazy... but
> i
> > have no probs with it.
>
> no, what's crazy is that tabacco isnt illegal.
+1
i smoke and i fully agree that it should be illegal. atleast this bill lets them regulate all of the shit they add to the tobacco to make it much worse than it already is.
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: June 24, 2009 08:32AM
Dwight. Wrote:
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> hahaha who said that?
I'll tell you when you're older.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
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> hahaha who said that?
I'll tell you when you're older.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
DC
()
Date: June 24, 2009 03:31PM
Dwight. Wrote:
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> Whats crazy is that legal tobacco kills over
> 440,000 Americans a year and illegal marijuana
> kills 0 Americans a year. Good job government at
> protecting your citizens!
June 19, 2009 - Calif regulators find pot smoke causes cancer
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/19/AR2009061902945.html
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> Whats crazy is that legal tobacco kills over
> 440,000 Americans a year and illegal marijuana
> kills 0 Americans a year. Good job government at
> protecting your citizens!
June 19, 2009 - Calif regulators find pot smoke causes cancer
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/19/AR2009061902945.html
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
bloody blisters
()
Date: June 24, 2009 10:38PM
looks like it is a good time to quit, cigarettes that is. oh by the way FUCK CALIFORNIA. thank you and good day
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Kenny_Powers
()
Date: June 25, 2009 12:25AM
DC Wrote:
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> Dwight. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Whats crazy is that legal tobacco kills over
> > 440,000 Americans a year and illegal marijuana
> > kills 0 Americans a year. Good job government
> at
> > protecting your citizens!
>
> June 19, 2009 - Calif regulators find pot smoke
> causes cancer
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
> le/2009/06/19/AR2009061902945.html
even if carcinogines have been found, there are still 0 recorded deaths from pot use. Smoking and alcohol kill about 500,000 a year ... pot has killed zero, ill stick with those odds.
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> Dwight. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Whats crazy is that legal tobacco kills over
> > 440,000 Americans a year and illegal marijuana
> > kills 0 Americans a year. Good job government
> at
> > protecting your citizens!
>
> June 19, 2009 - Calif regulators find pot smoke
> causes cancer
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
> le/2009/06/19/AR2009061902945.html
even if carcinogines have been found, there are still 0 recorded deaths from pot use. Smoking and alcohol kill about 500,000 a year ... pot has killed zero, ill stick with those odds.
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Stinkfist
()
Date: June 25, 2009 12:31AM
Bill Hicks
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Dwight.
()
Date: June 25, 2009 12:31AM
Thank you!
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Kenny_Powers
()
Date: June 25, 2009 01:02AM
Stinkfist Wrote:
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> Bill Hicks
god i love bill hicks... loved
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> Bill Hicks
god i love bill hicks... loved
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Thurston Moore
()
Date: June 25, 2009 01:22AM
Kenny_Powers Wrote:
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> DC Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Dwight. Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Whats crazy is that legal tobacco kills over
> > > 440,000 Americans a year and illegal
> marijuana
> > > kills 0 Americans a year. Good job government
> > at
> > > protecting your citizens!
> >
> > June 19, 2009 - Calif regulators find pot smoke
> > causes cancer
> >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
>
> > le/2009/06/19/AR2009061902945.html
>
>
> even if carcinogines have been found, there are
> still 0 recorded deaths from pot use. Smoking and
> alcohol kill about 500,000 a year ... pot has
> killed zero, ill stick with those odds.
It is the smoke that causes cancer. Neither Nicotine or THC cause cancer. The burning of the oils and fibers of the plant is what causes cancer. The irritant of the smoke on the lungs is what causes cancer. Hell, overcooking a steak or cooking with oil at too high a temperature creates carcinogens. Diesel engines spew carcinogens that cause more lung cancer than smoking and asbestos combined. Nobody is considering banning diesel buses, french fries and well-done hamburgers.
Eating Marijuana or using a vaporizer probably eliminates most or all of the carcinogenic properties/effects.
Marijuana is still safer than Nicotine in that there is a realistically achievable LD50 for nicotine, but it would be absolutely impossible to ingest the LD50 amount of THC.
(which is why it is alway funny to hear people say "marijuana is more dangerous now than in the 60's because it has a higher concentration of THC" as a way of scaring boomer parents into being afraid that their kids are in danger, because even with 10% THC, versus the 3-5% of the mexican shit they smoked back then, it would still be impossible to overdose on today's "stronger" marijuana.)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/25/2009 01:26AM by Thurston Moore.
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> DC Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Dwight. Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Whats crazy is that legal tobacco kills over
> > > 440,000 Americans a year and illegal
> marijuana
> > > kills 0 Americans a year. Good job government
> > at
> > > protecting your citizens!
> >
> > June 19, 2009 - Calif regulators find pot smoke
> > causes cancer
> >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
>
> > le/2009/06/19/AR2009061902945.html
>
>
> even if carcinogines have been found, there are
> still 0 recorded deaths from pot use. Smoking and
> alcohol kill about 500,000 a year ... pot has
> killed zero, ill stick with those odds.
It is the smoke that causes cancer. Neither Nicotine or THC cause cancer. The burning of the oils and fibers of the plant is what causes cancer. The irritant of the smoke on the lungs is what causes cancer. Hell, overcooking a steak or cooking with oil at too high a temperature creates carcinogens. Diesel engines spew carcinogens that cause more lung cancer than smoking and asbestos combined. Nobody is considering banning diesel buses, french fries and well-done hamburgers.
Eating Marijuana or using a vaporizer probably eliminates most or all of the carcinogenic properties/effects.
Marijuana is still safer than Nicotine in that there is a realistically achievable LD50 for nicotine, but it would be absolutely impossible to ingest the LD50 amount of THC.
(which is why it is alway funny to hear people say "marijuana is more dangerous now than in the 60's because it has a higher concentration of THC" as a way of scaring boomer parents into being afraid that their kids are in danger, because even with 10% THC, versus the 3-5% of the mexican shit they smoked back then, it would still be impossible to overdose on today's "stronger" marijuana.)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/25/2009 01:26AM by Thurston Moore.
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Kenny_Powers
()
Date: June 25, 2009 01:24AM
actually i read something a while back that said that nicotine also causes cancer. Thus kind of defeating the purpose of the nicotine gum thing. Im way to lazy to google the link however.
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Harry Tuttle
()
Date: June 25, 2009 01:27AM
60 milligrams of nicotine can be lethal to a human according to the all knowing wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine_poisoning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine_poisoning
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Harry Tuttle
()
Date: June 25, 2009 01:32AM
Mighty wikipedia also says that nicotine is not on the list of known carcinogens...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Toxicology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Toxicology
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Thurston Moore
()
Date: June 25, 2009 01:42AM
Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> Mighty wikipedia also says that nicotine is not on
> the list of known carcinogens...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Toxicology
I had my doubts about nicotine being a carcinogen. I mean, sure, if you want to split hairs and be really broad and general, just about everything we ingest, breathe or absorb through our skin is, to some degree, contributing to cancer. Since cancer is just a group of cells that divided in a mutated and uncontrolled manner, and everything in the world can trigger or contribute to a bad cell division.
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> Mighty wikipedia also says that nicotine is not on
> the list of known carcinogens...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Toxicology
I had my doubts about nicotine being a carcinogen. I mean, sure, if you want to split hairs and be really broad and general, just about everything we ingest, breathe or absorb through our skin is, to some degree, contributing to cancer. Since cancer is just a group of cells that divided in a mutated and uncontrolled manner, and everything in the world can trigger or contribute to a bad cell division.
Re: how dare they regulate smoking EVEN MORE?!
Posted by:
Kenny_Powers
()
Date: June 25, 2009 03:39AM
ok so i googled "does nicotine cause cancer?" and after looking at the first like 20 results... i got pwnd.