Off-Topic :
Fairfax Underground
Welcome to Fairfax Underground, a project site designed to improve communication among residents of Fairfax County, VA. Feel free to post anything Northern Virginia residents would find interesting.
Welcome to Fairfax Underground, a project site designed to improve communication among residents of Fairfax County, VA. Feel free to post anything Northern Virginia residents would find interesting.
How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: January 31, 2013 09:34AM
Before rank-and-file conservatives ask, "What went wrong?", they should ask themselves a question every bit as important: "Why were we the last to realize that things were going wrong for us?"
Barack Obama just trounced a Republican opponent for the second time. But unlike four years ago, when most conservatives saw it coming, Tuesday's result was, for them, an unpleasant surprise. So many on the right had predicted a Mitt Romney victory, or even a blowout -- Dick Morris, George Will, and Michael Barone all predicted the GOP would break 300 electoral votes. Joe Scarborough scoffed at the notion that the election was anything other than a toss-up. Peggy Noonan insisted that those predicting an Obama victory were ignoring the world around them. Even Karl Rove, supposed political genius, missed the bulls-eye. These voices drove the coverage on Fox News, talk radio, the Drudge Report, and conservative blogs.
Those audiences were misinformed.
Outside the conservative media, the narrative was completely different. Its driving force was Nate Silver, whose performance forecasting Election '08 gave him credibility as he daily explained why his model showed that President Obama enjoyed a very good chance of being reelected. Other experts echoed his findings. Readers of The New York Times, The Atlantic, and other "mainstream media" sites besides knew the expert predictions, which have been largely borne out. The conclusions of experts are not sacrosanct. But Silver's expertise was always a better bet than relying on ideological hacks like Morris or the anecdotal impressions of Noonan.
Sure, Silver could've wound up wrong. But people who rejected the possibility of his being right? They were operating at a self-imposed information disadvantage.
Conservatives should be familiar with its contours. For years, they've been arguing that liberal control of media and academia confers one advantage: Folks on the right can't help but be familiar with the thinking of liberals, whereas leftists can operate entirely within a liberal cocoon. This analysis was offered to explain why liberal ideas were growing weaker and would be defeated.
Today?
It is easy to close oneself off inside a conservative echo chamber. And right-leaning outlets like Fox News and Rush Limbaugh's show are far more intellectually closed than CNN or public radio. If you're a rank-and-file conservative, you're probably ready to acknowledge that ideologically friendly media didn't accurately inform you about Election 2012. Some pundits engaged in wishful thinking; others feigned confidence in hopes that it would be a self-fulfilling prophecy; still others decided it was smart to keep telling right-leaning audiences what they wanted to hear.
But guess what?
You haven't just been misinformed about the horse race. Since the very beginning of the election cycle, conservative media has been failing you. With a few exceptions, they haven't tried to rigorously tell you the truth, or even to bring you intellectually honest opinion. What they've done instead helps to explain why the right failed to triumph in a very winnable election.
Why do you keep putting up with it?
Conservatives were at a disadvantage because Romney supporters like Jennifer Rubin and Hugh Hewitt saw it as their duty to spin constantly for their favored candidate rather than being frank about his strengths and weaknesses. What conservative Washington Post readers got, when they traded in Dave Weigel for Rubin, was a lot more hackery and a lot less informed about the presidential election.
Conservatives were at an information disadvantage because so many right-leaning outlets wasted time on stories the rest of America dismissed as nonsense. WorldNetDaily brought you birtherism. Forbes brought you Kenyan anti-colonialism. National Review obsessed about an imaginary rejection of American exceptionalism, misrepresenting an Obama quote in the process, and Andy McCarthy was interviewed widely about his theory that Obama, aka the Drone Warrior in Chief, allied himself with our Islamist enemies in a "Grand Jihad" against America. Seriously?
Conservatives were at a disadvantage because their information elites pandered in the most cynical, self-defeating ways, treating would-be candidates like Sarah Palin and Herman Cain as if they were plausible presidents rather than national jokes who'd lose worse than George McGovern.
How many months were wasted on them?
How many hours of Glenn Beck conspiracy theories did Fox News broadcast to its viewers? How many hours of transparently mindless Sean Hannity content is still broadcast daily? Why don't Americans trust Republicans on foreign policy as they once did? In part because conservatism hasn't grappled with the foreign-policy failures of George W. Bush. A conspiracy of silence surrounds the subject. Romney could neither run on the man's record nor repudiate it. The most damaging Romney gaffe of the campaign, where he talked about how the 47 percent of Americans who pay no income taxes are a lost cause for Republicans? Either he was unaware that many of those people are Republican voters, or was pandering to GOP donors who are misinformed. Either way, bad information within the conservative movement was to blame.
In conservative fantasy-land, Richard Nixon was a champion of ideological conservatism, tax cuts are the only way to raise revenue, adding neoconservatives to a foreign-policy team reassures American voters, Benghazi was a winning campaign issue, Clint Eastwood's convention speech was a brilliant triumph, and Obama's America is a place where black kids can beat up white kids with impunity. Most conservative pundits know better than this nonsense -- not that they speak up against it. They see criticizing their own side as a sign of disloyalty. I see a coalition that has lost all perspective, partly because there's no cost to broadcasting or publishing inane bullshit. In fact, it's often very profitable. A lot of cynical people have gotten rich broadcasting and publishing red meat for movement conservative consumption.
On the biggest political story of the year, the conservative media just got its ass handed to it by the mainstream media. And movement conservatives, who believe the MSM is more biased and less rigorous than their alternatives, have no way to explain how their trusted outlets got it wrong, while the New York Times got it right. Hint: The Times hired the most rigorous forecaster it could find.
It ought to be an eye-opening moment.
But I expect that it'll be quickly forgotten, that none of the conservatives who touted a polling conspiracy will be discredited, and that the right will continue to operate at an information disadvantage. After all, it's not like they'll trust the analysis of a non-conservative like me more than the numerous fellow conservatives who constantly tell them things that turn out not to be true.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/how-conservative-media-lost-to-the-msm-and-failed-the-rank-and-file/264855/
Barack Obama just trounced a Republican opponent for the second time. But unlike four years ago, when most conservatives saw it coming, Tuesday's result was, for them, an unpleasant surprise. So many on the right had predicted a Mitt Romney victory, or even a blowout -- Dick Morris, George Will, and Michael Barone all predicted the GOP would break 300 electoral votes. Joe Scarborough scoffed at the notion that the election was anything other than a toss-up. Peggy Noonan insisted that those predicting an Obama victory were ignoring the world around them. Even Karl Rove, supposed political genius, missed the bulls-eye. These voices drove the coverage on Fox News, talk radio, the Drudge Report, and conservative blogs.
Those audiences were misinformed.
Outside the conservative media, the narrative was completely different. Its driving force was Nate Silver, whose performance forecasting Election '08 gave him credibility as he daily explained why his model showed that President Obama enjoyed a very good chance of being reelected. Other experts echoed his findings. Readers of The New York Times, The Atlantic, and other "mainstream media" sites besides knew the expert predictions, which have been largely borne out. The conclusions of experts are not sacrosanct. But Silver's expertise was always a better bet than relying on ideological hacks like Morris or the anecdotal impressions of Noonan.
Sure, Silver could've wound up wrong. But people who rejected the possibility of his being right? They were operating at a self-imposed information disadvantage.
Conservatives should be familiar with its contours. For years, they've been arguing that liberal control of media and academia confers one advantage: Folks on the right can't help but be familiar with the thinking of liberals, whereas leftists can operate entirely within a liberal cocoon. This analysis was offered to explain why liberal ideas were growing weaker and would be defeated.
Today?
It is easy to close oneself off inside a conservative echo chamber. And right-leaning outlets like Fox News and Rush Limbaugh's show are far more intellectually closed than CNN or public radio. If you're a rank-and-file conservative, you're probably ready to acknowledge that ideologically friendly media didn't accurately inform you about Election 2012. Some pundits engaged in wishful thinking; others feigned confidence in hopes that it would be a self-fulfilling prophecy; still others decided it was smart to keep telling right-leaning audiences what they wanted to hear.
But guess what?
You haven't just been misinformed about the horse race. Since the very beginning of the election cycle, conservative media has been failing you. With a few exceptions, they haven't tried to rigorously tell you the truth, or even to bring you intellectually honest opinion. What they've done instead helps to explain why the right failed to triumph in a very winnable election.
Why do you keep putting up with it?
Conservatives were at a disadvantage because Romney supporters like Jennifer Rubin and Hugh Hewitt saw it as their duty to spin constantly for their favored candidate rather than being frank about his strengths and weaknesses. What conservative Washington Post readers got, when they traded in Dave Weigel for Rubin, was a lot more hackery and a lot less informed about the presidential election.
Conservatives were at an information disadvantage because so many right-leaning outlets wasted time on stories the rest of America dismissed as nonsense. WorldNetDaily brought you birtherism. Forbes brought you Kenyan anti-colonialism. National Review obsessed about an imaginary rejection of American exceptionalism, misrepresenting an Obama quote in the process, and Andy McCarthy was interviewed widely about his theory that Obama, aka the Drone Warrior in Chief, allied himself with our Islamist enemies in a "Grand Jihad" against America. Seriously?
Conservatives were at a disadvantage because their information elites pandered in the most cynical, self-defeating ways, treating would-be candidates like Sarah Palin and Herman Cain as if they were plausible presidents rather than national jokes who'd lose worse than George McGovern.
How many months were wasted on them?
How many hours of Glenn Beck conspiracy theories did Fox News broadcast to its viewers? How many hours of transparently mindless Sean Hannity content is still broadcast daily? Why don't Americans trust Republicans on foreign policy as they once did? In part because conservatism hasn't grappled with the foreign-policy failures of George W. Bush. A conspiracy of silence surrounds the subject. Romney could neither run on the man's record nor repudiate it. The most damaging Romney gaffe of the campaign, where he talked about how the 47 percent of Americans who pay no income taxes are a lost cause for Republicans? Either he was unaware that many of those people are Republican voters, or was pandering to GOP donors who are misinformed. Either way, bad information within the conservative movement was to blame.
In conservative fantasy-land, Richard Nixon was a champion of ideological conservatism, tax cuts are the only way to raise revenue, adding neoconservatives to a foreign-policy team reassures American voters, Benghazi was a winning campaign issue, Clint Eastwood's convention speech was a brilliant triumph, and Obama's America is a place where black kids can beat up white kids with impunity. Most conservative pundits know better than this nonsense -- not that they speak up against it. They see criticizing their own side as a sign of disloyalty. I see a coalition that has lost all perspective, partly because there's no cost to broadcasting or publishing inane bullshit. In fact, it's often very profitable. A lot of cynical people have gotten rich broadcasting and publishing red meat for movement conservative consumption.
On the biggest political story of the year, the conservative media just got its ass handed to it by the mainstream media. And movement conservatives, who believe the MSM is more biased and less rigorous than their alternatives, have no way to explain how their trusted outlets got it wrong, while the New York Times got it right. Hint: The Times hired the most rigorous forecaster it could find.
It ought to be an eye-opening moment.
But I expect that it'll be quickly forgotten, that none of the conservatives who touted a polling conspiracy will be discredited, and that the right will continue to operate at an information disadvantage. After all, it's not like they'll trust the analysis of a non-conservative like me more than the numerous fellow conservatives who constantly tell them things that turn out not to be true.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/how-conservative-media-lost-to-the-msm-and-failed-the-rank-and-file/264855/
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
dukeboys
()
Date: January 31, 2013 09:51AM
Who listens to MSM anymore...I mean anyone under 40 doesn't listen to traditional media their parents listen too..this ranting raving on MSM is only for old people who don't know how the game has changed.
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
FUNdamental
()
Date: January 31, 2013 09:52AM
Don't forget the conservative media outrage over the New Black Panther holding the door open for the old White lady.
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: January 31, 2013 10:04AM
dukeboys Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Who listens to MSM anymore...I mean anyone under
> 40 doesn't listen to traditional media their
> parents listen too..this ranting raving on MSM is
> only for old people who don't know how the game
> has changed.
You are wrong. Do a little research and you'll learn that millions of folks <40 yrs. old read/listen to/watch MSM outlets.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Who listens to MSM anymore...I mean anyone under
> 40 doesn't listen to traditional media their
> parents listen too..this ranting raving on MSM is
> only for old people who don't know how the game
> has changed.
You are wrong. Do a little research and you'll learn that millions of folks <40 yrs. old read/listen to/watch MSM outlets.
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
fact*checker
()
Date: January 31, 2013 10:25AM
FUNdamental Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Don't forget the conservative media outrage over
> the New Black Panther holding the door open for
> the old White lady.
Or the liberal denial of two New Black Panther members dressed in paramilitary uniforms pointing a billy club at voters and shouting racial surs at them.
They'd also want you to ignore the fact that poll watchers witnessed some voters approach the polls and then turn away, apparently in response to the New Black Panther Party members.
Why do you continue to deny these facts? It is almost as if you are some sort of pathological liar.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Don't forget the conservative media outrage over
> the New Black Panther holding the door open for
> the old White lady.
Or the liberal denial of two New Black Panther members dressed in paramilitary uniforms pointing a billy club at voters and shouting racial surs at them.
They'd also want you to ignore the fact that poll watchers witnessed some voters approach the polls and then turn away, apparently in response to the New Black Panther Party members.
Why do you continue to deny these facts? It is almost as if you are some sort of pathological liar.
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
Knower of Things
()
Date: January 31, 2013 10:27AM
fact*checker Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Or the liberal denial of two New Black Panther
> members dressed in paramilitary uniforms pointing
> a billy club at voters and shouting racial surs at
> them.
>
> They'd also want you to ignore the fact that poll
> watchers witnessed some voters approach the polls
> and then turn away, apparently in response to the
> New Black Panther Party members.
>
> Why do you continue to deny these facts? It is
> almost as if you are some sort of pathological
> liar.
If a crime had been committed, the DOJ would have brought charges.
No charges, no crime, no issue.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Or the liberal denial of two New Black Panther
> members dressed in paramilitary uniforms pointing
> a billy club at voters and shouting racial surs at
> them.
>
> They'd also want you to ignore the fact that poll
> watchers witnessed some voters approach the polls
> and then turn away, apparently in response to the
> New Black Panther Party members.
>
> Why do you continue to deny these facts? It is
> almost as if you are some sort of pathological
> liar.
If a crime had been committed, the DOJ would have brought charges.
No charges, no crime, no issue.
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
Publius
()
Date: January 31, 2013 10:34AM
This is awesome. The OP posted a thoughtful post and it only took about 4 posts for it to decline into the standard name-calling and non-important tripe that characterizes most political posts.
Whatever happened to philosophical dialog?
Whatever happened to philosophical dialog?
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
fact*checker
()
Date: January 31, 2013 10:36AM
Knower of Things Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> fact*checker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Or the liberal denial of two New Black Panther
> > members dressed in paramilitary uniforms
> pointing
> > a billy club at voters and shouting racial surs
> at
> > them.
> >
> > They'd also want you to ignore the fact that
> poll
> > watchers witnessed some voters approach the
> polls
> > and then turn away, apparently in response to
> the
> > New Black Panther Party members.
> >
> > Why do you continue to deny these facts? It is
> > almost as if you are some sort of pathological
> > liar.
>
> If a crime had been committed, the DOJ would have
> brought charges.
>
> No charges, no crime, no issue.
DOJ filed a civil complaint against group for voter intimidation, dummy.
Many voter intimidation cases weren't filed in the south during the 60s and 70s against groups like the Klan depsite the fact that voter intimidation was taking place. Are you saying that because no charges were filed, there was no crime?
What do you have against people exercising their right to vote?
-------------------------------------------------------
> fact*checker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Or the liberal denial of two New Black Panther
> > members dressed in paramilitary uniforms
> pointing
> > a billy club at voters and shouting racial surs
> at
> > them.
> >
> > They'd also want you to ignore the fact that
> poll
> > watchers witnessed some voters approach the
> polls
> > and then turn away, apparently in response to
> the
> > New Black Panther Party members.
> >
> > Why do you continue to deny these facts? It is
> > almost as if you are some sort of pathological
> > liar.
>
> If a crime had been committed, the DOJ would have
> brought charges.
>
> No charges, no crime, no issue.
DOJ filed a civil complaint against group for voter intimidation, dummy.
Many voter intimidation cases weren't filed in the south during the 60s and 70s against groups like the Klan depsite the fact that voter intimidation was taking place. Are you saying that because no charges were filed, there was no crime?
What do you have against people exercising their right to vote?
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
FUNdamental
()
Date: January 31, 2013 10:40AM
fact*checker Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Don't forget the conservative media outrage
> over
> > the New Black Panther holding the door open for
> > the old White lady.
>
>
> Or the liberal denial of two New Black Panther
> members dressed in paramilitary uniforms pointing
> a billy club at voters and shouting racial surs at
> them.
>
> They'd also want you to ignore the fact that poll
> watchers witnessed some voters approach the polls
> and then turn away, apparently in response to the
> New Black Panther Party members.
>
> Why do you continue to deny these facts? It is
> almost as if you are some sort of pathological
> liar.
I believe you are referencing a situation in 2008, not 2012, as the original piece was summarizing.
-------------------------------------------------------
> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Don't forget the conservative media outrage
> over
> > the New Black Panther holding the door open for
> > the old White lady.
>
>
> Or the liberal denial of two New Black Panther
> members dressed in paramilitary uniforms pointing
> a billy club at voters and shouting racial surs at
> them.
>
> They'd also want you to ignore the fact that poll
> watchers witnessed some voters approach the polls
> and then turn away, apparently in response to the
> New Black Panther Party members.
>
> Why do you continue to deny these facts? It is
> almost as if you are some sort of pathological
> liar.
I believe you are referencing a situation in 2008, not 2012, as the original piece was summarizing.
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
easteurope
()
Date: January 31, 2013 10:46AM
Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> dukeboys Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Who listens to MSM anymore...I mean anyone
> under
> > 40 doesn't listen to traditional media their
> > parents listen too..this ranting raving on MSM
> is
> > only for old people who don't know how the game
> > has changed.
>
> You are wrong. Do a little research and you'll
> learn that millions of folks <40 yrs. old
> read/listen to/watch MSM outlets.
Research you say,
About a third of those under the age of 40 saw some sort of news on social media the previous day. Among social media users, about 43 percent, nearly half, said they’d gotten news from their digital activity. Only 11 percent of Americans say they get their news from Twitter, but among those people, about a quarter say they get their news from the digital network and retweet it.
Among black news consumers, about 17 percent of the general population said they were on social media and got a piece the previous day. But among the social media users, 38 percent said they’d gotten their news from the experience.
All of the figures above are double-digit increases from 2010. There’s also a growth in the number of people who are checking things out on their mobile devices, which Poynter says is a major growth vehicle for social media.
The big decline is in print media. In 1991, 56 percent of people said they got their news from a paper. In 2012, it’s down to 29 percent. Radio is also down dramatically, from 54 percent in 1991 to 33 percent this year. And while TV remains popular, the average viewer is getting older.
Read more at http://madamenoire.com/219813/extra-extra-about-one-third-of-adults-under-40-get-their-news-digitally/#paSp0VzjSRtffFXf.99
-------------------------------------------------------
> dukeboys Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Who listens to MSM anymore...I mean anyone
> under
> > 40 doesn't listen to traditional media their
> > parents listen too..this ranting raving on MSM
> is
> > only for old people who don't know how the game
> > has changed.
>
> You are wrong. Do a little research and you'll
> learn that millions of folks <40 yrs. old
> read/listen to/watch MSM outlets.
Research you say,
About a third of those under the age of 40 saw some sort of news on social media the previous day. Among social media users, about 43 percent, nearly half, said they’d gotten news from their digital activity. Only 11 percent of Americans say they get their news from Twitter, but among those people, about a quarter say they get their news from the digital network and retweet it.
Among black news consumers, about 17 percent of the general population said they were on social media and got a piece the previous day. But among the social media users, 38 percent said they’d gotten their news from the experience.
All of the figures above are double-digit increases from 2010. There’s also a growth in the number of people who are checking things out on their mobile devices, which Poynter says is a major growth vehicle for social media.
The big decline is in print media. In 1991, 56 percent of people said they got their news from a paper. In 2012, it’s down to 29 percent. Radio is also down dramatically, from 54 percent in 1991 to 33 percent this year. And while TV remains popular, the average viewer is getting older.
Read more at http://madamenoire.com/219813/extra-extra-about-one-third-of-adults-under-40-get-their-news-digitally/#paSp0VzjSRtffFXf.99
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
fact*checker
()
Date: January 31, 2013 10:46AM
FUNdamental Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> fact*checker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FUNdamental Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Don't forget the conservative media outrage
> > over
> > > the New Black Panther holding the door open
> for
> > > the old White lady.
> >
> >
> > Or the liberal denial of two New Black Panther
> > members dressed in paramilitary uniforms
> pointing
> > a billy club at voters and shouting racial surs
> at
> > them.
> >
> > They'd also want you to ignore the fact that
> poll
> > watchers witnessed some voters approach the
> polls
> > and then turn away, apparently in response to
> the
> > New Black Panther Party members.
> >
> > Why do you continue to deny these facts? It is
> > almost as if you are some sort of pathological
> > liar.
>
> I believe you are referencing a situation in 2008,
> not 2012, as the original piece was summarizing.
Where in the original piece does it mention the NBPP?
-------------------------------------------------------
> fact*checker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FUNdamental Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Don't forget the conservative media outrage
> > over
> > > the New Black Panther holding the door open
> for
> > > the old White lady.
> >
> >
> > Or the liberal denial of two New Black Panther
> > members dressed in paramilitary uniforms
> pointing
> > a billy club at voters and shouting racial surs
> at
> > them.
> >
> > They'd also want you to ignore the fact that
> poll
> > watchers witnessed some voters approach the
> polls
> > and then turn away, apparently in response to
> the
> > New Black Panther Party members.
> >
> > Why do you continue to deny these facts? It is
> > almost as if you are some sort of pathological
> > liar.
>
> I believe you are referencing a situation in 2008,
> not 2012, as the original piece was summarizing.
Where in the original piece does it mention the NBPP?
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
Knower of Things
()
Date: January 31, 2013 10:47AM
fact*checker Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> DOJ filed a civil complaint against group for
> voter intimidation, dummy.
The New Black Panther Party was charged with voter intimidation for for its conduct outside a polling station in Philadelphia, which were later dismissed.
-------------------------------------------------------
> DOJ filed a civil complaint against group for
> voter intimidation, dummy.
The New Black Panther Party was charged with voter intimidation for for its conduct outside a polling station in Philadelphia, which were later dismissed.
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: January 31, 2013 10:53AM
easteurope Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Read more at
> http://madamenoire.com/219813/extra-extra-about-on
> e-third-of-adults-under-40-get-their-news-digitall
> y/#paSp0VzjSRtffFXf.99
If 1/3 of <40 yrs. olds get there news digitally (which does not preclude the digital consumption from MSM sources), 2/3 do not.
Therefore, my original assertion, that "millions of folks <40 yrs. old read/listen to/watch MSM outlets", is completely accurate.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/2013 10:54AM by Lt Col Obvious.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Read more at
> http://madamenoire.com/219813/extra-extra-about-on
> e-third-of-adults-under-40-get-their-news-digitall
> y/#paSp0VzjSRtffFXf.99
If 1/3 of <40 yrs. olds get there news digitally (which does not preclude the digital consumption from MSM sources), 2/3 do not.
Therefore, my original assertion, that "millions of folks <40 yrs. old read/listen to/watch MSM outlets", is completely accurate.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/2013 10:54AM by Lt Col Obvious.
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
FUNdamental
()
Date: January 31, 2013 11:06AM
fact*checker Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > fact*checker Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > FUNdamental Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Don't forget the conservative media outrage
> > > over
> > > > the New Black Panther holding the door open
> > for
> > > > the old White lady.
> > >
> > >
> > > Or the liberal denial of two New Black
> Panther
> > > members dressed in paramilitary uniforms
> > pointing
> > > a billy club at voters and shouting racial
> surs
> > at
> > > them.
> > >
> > > They'd also want you to ignore the fact that
> > poll
> > > watchers witnessed some voters approach the
> > polls
> > > and then turn away, apparently in response to
> > the
> > > New Black Panther Party members.
> > >
> > > Why do you continue to deny these facts? It
> is
> > > almost as if you are some sort of
> pathological
> > > liar.
> >
> > I believe you are referencing a situation in
> 2008,
> > not 2012, as the original piece was
> summarizing.
>
>
> Where in the original piece does it mention the
> NBPP?
That is why I wrote, "Don't forget the conservative media outrage over..." as a supplement to the original work on the "conservative media. Do you argue at home over non issues as well?
-------------------------------------------------------
> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > fact*checker Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > FUNdamental Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Don't forget the conservative media outrage
> > > over
> > > > the New Black Panther holding the door open
> > for
> > > > the old White lady.
> > >
> > >
> > > Or the liberal denial of two New Black
> Panther
> > > members dressed in paramilitary uniforms
> > pointing
> > > a billy club at voters and shouting racial
> surs
> > at
> > > them.
> > >
> > > They'd also want you to ignore the fact that
> > poll
> > > watchers witnessed some voters approach the
> > polls
> > > and then turn away, apparently in response to
> > the
> > > New Black Panther Party members.
> > >
> > > Why do you continue to deny these facts? It
> is
> > > almost as if you are some sort of
> pathological
> > > liar.
> >
> > I believe you are referencing a situation in
> 2008,
> > not 2012, as the original piece was
> summarizing.
>
>
> Where in the original piece does it mention the
> NBPP?
That is why I wrote, "Don't forget the conservative media outrage over..." as a supplement to the original work on the "conservative media. Do you argue at home over non issues as well?
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
FUNdamental
()
Date: January 31, 2013 11:12AM
fact*checker Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > fact*checker Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > FUNdamental Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Don't forget the conservative media outrage
> > > over
> > > > the New Black Panther holding the door open
> > for
> > > > the old White lady.
> > >
> > >
> > > Or the liberal denial of two New Black
> Panther
> > > members dressed in paramilitary uniforms
> > pointing
> > > a billy club at voters and shouting racial
> surs
> > at
> > > them.
> > >
> > > They'd also want you to ignore the fact that
> > poll
> > > watchers witnessed some voters approach the
> > polls
> > > and then turn away, apparently in response to
> > the
> > > New Black Panther Party members.
> > >
> > > Why do you continue to deny these facts? It
> is
> > > almost as if you are some sort of
> pathological
> > > liar.
> >
> > I believe you are referencing a situation in
> 2008,
> > not 2012, as the original piece was
> summarizing.
>
>
> Where in the original piece does it mention the
> NBPP?
The original piece was summarizing the 2012 election year, not 2008-2012 time span. You bought up something in 2008, implying, by omission, it happened during the same time period. It did not.
Did you know the Ravens have a policy that their cheerleaders not use their last names in press?
-------------------------------------------------------
> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > fact*checker Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > FUNdamental Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Don't forget the conservative media outrage
> > > over
> > > > the New Black Panther holding the door open
> > for
> > > > the old White lady.
> > >
> > >
> > > Or the liberal denial of two New Black
> Panther
> > > members dressed in paramilitary uniforms
> > pointing
> > > a billy club at voters and shouting racial
> surs
> > at
> > > them.
> > >
> > > They'd also want you to ignore the fact that
> > poll
> > > watchers witnessed some voters approach the
> > polls
> > > and then turn away, apparently in response to
> > the
> > > New Black Panther Party members.
> > >
> > > Why do you continue to deny these facts? It
> is
> > > almost as if you are some sort of
> pathological
> > > liar.
> >
> > I believe you are referencing a situation in
> 2008,
> > not 2012, as the original piece was
> summarizing.
>
>
> Where in the original piece does it mention the
> NBPP?
The original piece was summarizing the 2012 election year, not 2008-2012 time span. You bought up something in 2008, implying, by omission, it happened during the same time period. It did not.
Did you know the Ravens have a policy that their cheerleaders not use their last names in press?
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
NotRational
()
Date: January 31, 2013 11:56AM
Conservatives are not rational. One minute they want the government to go away next minute they insist pregnant women do what the government says with their bodies. Dick Cheney says deficits dont matter the next election cycle we cannot even raise the debt ceiling. They say they want freedom of religion in schools but only Christian religion.
Most of all Carl Rove's trade mark demonizing of the opposition based on ideology alone is a short term strategy. Any position taken to its extreme will lose votes. Trans-vaginal ultra sounds for women, not teaching evolution, denying man's role in climate change are good examples. There are just not enough ideologues willing to drink that much Koolaide.
Most of all Carl Rove's trade mark demonizing of the opposition based on ideology alone is a short term strategy. Any position taken to its extreme will lose votes. Trans-vaginal ultra sounds for women, not teaching evolution, denying man's role in climate change are good examples. There are just not enough ideologues willing to drink that much Koolaide.
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
No really
()
Date: January 31, 2013 02:32PM
My 21 yr old niece gets all of her news info from Facebook Obama driven posts and
Jon Stewart show. Apparently, most of her peers get their info the same way. She actually signed up my 80 yr old mother-in-law for Facebook posts as well. I guess one goes where they feel they fit in, but John Stewart- really!?
Jon Stewart show. Apparently, most of her peers get their info the same way. She actually signed up my 80 yr old mother-in-law for Facebook posts as well. I guess one goes where they feel they fit in, but John Stewart- really!?
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
Ralph Pootawn
()
Date: January 31, 2013 02:36PM
No really Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> My 21 yr old niece gets all of her news info from
> Facebook Obama driven posts and
> Jon Stewart show. Apparently, most of her peers
> get their info the same way. She actually signed
> up my 80 yr old mother-in-law for Facebook posts
> as well. I guess one goes where they feel they fit
> in, but John Stewart- really!?
You raised your daughter to get her news from a liberal comedian?
Did you raise her ON WEEED?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/2013 02:36PM by Ralph Pootawn.
-------------------------------------------------------
> My 21 yr old niece gets all of her news info from
> Facebook Obama driven posts and
> Jon Stewart show. Apparently, most of her peers
> get their info the same way. She actually signed
> up my 80 yr old mother-in-law for Facebook posts
> as well. I guess one goes where they feel they fit
> in, but John Stewart- really!?
You raised your daughter to get her news from a liberal comedian?
Did you raise her ON WEEED?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/2013 02:36PM by Ralph Pootawn.
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
I'm a Comedian
()
Date: January 31, 2013 02:36PM
No really Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> My 21 yr old niece gets all of her news info from
> Facebook Obama driven posts and
> Jon Stewart show. Apparently, most of her peers
> get their info the same way. She actually signed
> up my 80 yr old mother-in-law for Facebook posts
> as well. I guess one goes where they feel they fit
> in, but John Stewart- really!?
Your niece dosn't sound all that bright.
-------------------------------------------------------
> My 21 yr old niece gets all of her news info from
> Facebook Obama driven posts and
> Jon Stewart show. Apparently, most of her peers
> get their info the same way. She actually signed
> up my 80 yr old mother-in-law for Facebook posts
> as well. I guess one goes where they feel they fit
> in, but John Stewart- really!?
Your niece dosn't sound all that bright.
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
No really
()
Date: January 31, 2013 03:01PM
I know it does sound crazy. She is a UVA grad. She may find that Obama is a good choice for her, but she should inform herself with better sources. This crazy social media driven youth is losing their ability to think and weigh decisions.
Re: Spoiler Alert!
Posted by:
Vexxxed
()
Date: January 31, 2013 03:23PM
Considering the timeliness of this article, I feel the need to point out to the good Colonel that the world does not in fact end when you get to the 21st of December, 2012.
No need to thank me.
No need to thank me.
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
liberaltrollsayswhat
()
Date: January 31, 2013 03:41PM
Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> liberal vomit all over keyboard....
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/1
> 1/how-conservative-media-lost-to-the-msm-and-faile
> d-the-rank-and-file/264855/
.
Attachments:
-------------------------------------------------------
> liberal vomit all over keyboard....
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/1
> 1/how-conservative-media-lost-to-the-msm-and-faile
> d-the-rank-and-file/264855/
.
Attachments:
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
Lt Col Obvious
()
Date: January 31, 2013 03:51PM
liberaltrollsayswhat Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > liberal vomit all over keyboard....
> >
> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/1
> >
> 1/how-conservative-media-lost-to-the-msm-and-faile
>
> > d-the-rank-and-file/264855/
Truth hurts, eh?
The first step on the road to recovery is to admit that you have a problem.
.
Attachments:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > liberal vomit all over keyboard....
> >
> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/1
> >
> 1/how-conservative-media-lost-to-the-msm-and-faile
>
> > d-the-rank-and-file/264855/
Truth hurts, eh?
The first step on the road to recovery is to admit that you have a problem.
.
Attachments:
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
Here is the truth
()
Date: January 31, 2013 03:54PM
Lt Col Obvious Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Truth hurts, eh?
When you post something true, let us know.
> The first step on the road to recovery is to admit
> that you have a problem.
Like thast economic recovery we were supposed to be experiencing under Obama? Like the one where the economy contracts and unemployment goes up? That kind of recovery?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Truth hurts, eh?
When you post something true, let us know.
> The first step on the road to recovery is to admit
> that you have a problem.
Like thast economic recovery we were supposed to be experiencing under Obama? Like the one where the economy contracts and unemployment goes up? That kind of recovery?
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
section 8 sharon.
()
Date: January 31, 2013 03:58PM
The result was expected, Obama promised more free stuff. Simple
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
liberaltrollsayswhat
()
Date: January 31, 2013 04:09PM
section 8 sharon. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The result was expected, Obama promised more free
> stuff. Simple
No, it's deeper than that. 42% of registered voters sat it out. This bodes poorly on both candidates, but the fact the Romney couldn't even get the same numbers as McLoser in 2008 after the debacle that OBlamer's first term was indicates a problem for the GOP.
LtC is a troll along with his c&p liberal bullshit and should be ignored. But the GOP definitely has a problem and the MSM is a large part of it. But the answer to the problem is not to be more like democrats. Given the choice between a democrat or a republican who votes like a democrat, most voters will choose the democrat.
The GOP is on life support. They need to become more libertarian or they'll become the Whigs.
-------------------------------------------------------
> The result was expected, Obama promised more free
> stuff. Simple
No, it's deeper than that. 42% of registered voters sat it out. This bodes poorly on both candidates, but the fact the Romney couldn't even get the same numbers as McLoser in 2008 after the debacle that OBlamer's first term was indicates a problem for the GOP.
LtC is a troll along with his c&p liberal bullshit and should be ignored. But the GOP definitely has a problem and the MSM is a large part of it. But the answer to the problem is not to be more like democrats. Given the choice between a democrat or a republican who votes like a democrat, most voters will choose the democrat.
The GOP is on life support. They need to become more libertarian or they'll become the Whigs.
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
FUNdamental
()
Date: January 31, 2013 04:26PM
liberaltrollsayswhat Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> section 8 sharon. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The result was expected, Obama promised more
> free
> > stuff. Simple
>
>
> No, it's deeper than that. 42% of registered
> voters sat it out. This bodes poorly on both
> candidates, but the fact the Romney couldn't even
> get the same numbers as McLoser in 2008 after the
> debacle that OBlamer's first term was indicates a
> problem for the GOP.
Ryan didn't carry his home district, let alone his home state.
>
> LtC is a troll along with his c&p liberal bullshit
> and should be ignored. But the GOP definitely has
> a problem and the MSM is a large part of it. But
> the answer to the problem is not to be more like
> democrats. Given the choice between a democrat or
> a republican who votes like a democrat, most
> voters will choose the democrat.
>
> The GOP is on life support. They need to become
> more libertarian or they'll become the Whigs.
I don't agree, the GOP needs, in Bobby Jindal's words, "to stop being the party of stupid." Put those "conservatives" to pasture; they provide no help, cause election losses for the GOP, and make the Republicans appear to be mind boggling inept. Then work on a better platform.
-------------------------------------------------------
> section 8 sharon. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The result was expected, Obama promised more
> free
> > stuff. Simple
>
>
> No, it's deeper than that. 42% of registered
> voters sat it out. This bodes poorly on both
> candidates, but the fact the Romney couldn't even
> get the same numbers as McLoser in 2008 after the
> debacle that OBlamer's first term was indicates a
> problem for the GOP.
Ryan didn't carry his home district, let alone his home state.
>
> LtC is a troll along with his c&p liberal bullshit
> and should be ignored. But the GOP definitely has
> a problem and the MSM is a large part of it. But
> the answer to the problem is not to be more like
> democrats. Given the choice between a democrat or
> a republican who votes like a democrat, most
> voters will choose the democrat.
>
> The GOP is on life support. They need to become
> more libertarian or they'll become the Whigs.
I don't agree, the GOP needs, in Bobby Jindal's words, "to stop being the party of stupid." Put those "conservatives" to pasture; they provide no help, cause election losses for the GOP, and make the Republicans appear to be mind boggling inept. Then work on a better platform.
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
liberaltrollsayswhat
()
Date: January 31, 2013 04:43PM
FUNdamental Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> liberaltrollsayswhat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > section 8 sharon. Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The result was expected, Obama promised more
> > free
> > > stuff. Simple
> >
> >
> > No, it's deeper than that. 42% of registered
> > voters sat it out. This bodes poorly on both
> > candidates, but the fact the Romney couldn't
> even
> > get the same numbers as McLoser in 2008 after
> the
> > debacle that OBlamer's first term was indicates
> a
> > problem for the GOP.
>
> Ryan didn't carry his home district, let alone his
> home state.
>
> >
> > LtC is a troll along with his c&p liberal
> bullshit
> > and should be ignored. But the GOP definitely
> has
> > a problem and the MSM is a large part of it.
> But
> > the answer to the problem is not to be more
> like
> > democrats. Given the choice between a democrat
> or
> > a republican who votes like a democrat, most
> > voters will choose the democrat.
> >
> > The GOP is on life support. They need to
> become
> > more libertarian or they'll become the Whigs.
>
> I don't agree, the GOP needs, in Bobby Jindal's
> words, "to stop being the party of stupid." Put
> those "conservatives" to pasture; they provide no
> help, cause election losses for the GOP, and make
> the Republicans appear to be mind boggling inept.
> Then work on a better platform.
That's like telling the democrats to get rid of the liberals. It makes no sense. At least 1/3 of the country is conservative. Jindal wasn't saying get rid of the conservatives. He was referring to things like Romney's stupid comment about "47%" as well as looking like they're only for old white people. He said the problem was messaging, not having conservatives.
-------------------------------------------------------
> liberaltrollsayswhat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > section 8 sharon. Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The result was expected, Obama promised more
> > free
> > > stuff. Simple
> >
> >
> > No, it's deeper than that. 42% of registered
> > voters sat it out. This bodes poorly on both
> > candidates, but the fact the Romney couldn't
> even
> > get the same numbers as McLoser in 2008 after
> the
> > debacle that OBlamer's first term was indicates
> a
> > problem for the GOP.
>
> Ryan didn't carry his home district, let alone his
> home state.
>
> >
> > LtC is a troll along with his c&p liberal
> bullshit
> > and should be ignored. But the GOP definitely
> has
> > a problem and the MSM is a large part of it.
> But
> > the answer to the problem is not to be more
> like
> > democrats. Given the choice between a democrat
> or
> > a republican who votes like a democrat, most
> > voters will choose the democrat.
> >
> > The GOP is on life support. They need to
> become
> > more libertarian or they'll become the Whigs.
>
> I don't agree, the GOP needs, in Bobby Jindal's
> words, "to stop being the party of stupid." Put
> those "conservatives" to pasture; they provide no
> help, cause election losses for the GOP, and make
> the Republicans appear to be mind boggling inept.
> Then work on a better platform.
That's like telling the democrats to get rid of the liberals. It makes no sense. At least 1/3 of the country is conservative. Jindal wasn't saying get rid of the conservatives. He was referring to things like Romney's stupid comment about "47%" as well as looking like they're only for old white people. He said the problem was messaging, not having conservatives.
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
()
Date: January 31, 2013 04:45PM
FUNdamental Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> liberaltrollsayswhat Wrote:
>
> Ryan didn't carry his home district, let alone his
> home state.
>
> >
Wow, I wonder how he got reelected to Congress then. Maybe you should call the WashPo and tell them Paul Ryan is serving illegally.
-------------------------------------------------------
> liberaltrollsayswhat Wrote:
>
> Ryan didn't carry his home district, let alone his
> home state.
>
> >
Wow, I wonder how he got reelected to Congress then. Maybe you should call the WashPo and tell them Paul Ryan is serving illegally.
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
Dolt
()
Date: January 31, 2013 04:53PM
Hmmmmmmmmmmm Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > liberaltrollsayswhat Wrote:
> >
> > Ryan didn't carry his home district, let alone
> his
> > home state.
>
> Wow, I wonder how he got reelected to Congress
> then.
As the Vice-Presidential candidate fro thr Guns Over People party, you dolt.
-------------------------------------------------------
> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > liberaltrollsayswhat Wrote:
> >
> > Ryan didn't carry his home district, let alone
> his
> > home state.
>
> Wow, I wonder how he got reelected to Congress
> then.
As the Vice-Presidential candidate fro thr Guns Over People party, you dolt.
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
huh?!?
()
Date: January 31, 2013 04:58PM
Dolt Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hmmmmmmmmmmm Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FUNdamental Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > liberaltrollsayswhat Wrote:
> > >
> > > Ryan didn't carry his home district, let
> alone
> > his
> > > home state.
> >
> > Wow, I wonder how he got reelected to Congress
> > then.
>
> As the Vice-Presidential candidate fro thr Guns
> Over People party, you dolt.
When you type and/or spell like that, do you really think you should be calling anyone a dolt? You know what they say about people in glass houses.....
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hmmmmmmmmmmm Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FUNdamental Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > liberaltrollsayswhat Wrote:
> > >
> > > Ryan didn't carry his home district, let
> alone
> > his
> > > home state.
> >
> > Wow, I wonder how he got reelected to Congress
> > then.
>
> As the Vice-Presidential candidate fro thr Guns
> Over People party, you dolt.
When you type and/or spell like that, do you really think you should be calling anyone a dolt? You know what they say about people in glass houses.....
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
Dolt
()
Date: January 31, 2013 05:33PM
huh?!? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> When you type and/or spell like that, do you
> really think you should be calling anyone a dolt?
> You know what they say about people in glass
> houses.....
As the Vice-Presidential candidate for the Guns Over People party, you dolt.
Happy now, dolt?
-------------------------------------------------------
> When you type and/or spell like that, do you
> really think you should be calling anyone a dolt?
> You know what they say about people in glass
> houses.....
As the Vice-Presidential candidate for the Guns Over People party, you dolt.
Happy now, dolt?
Re: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Posted by:
Summercamp!
()
Date: January 31, 2013 06:09PM
What is a dolt? Really we say it all the time, but what is it?