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Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Patriot06
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Date: June 24, 2008 12:50PM
Does anyone know the whole story on the old beat down facility on Wellington road across from Nissan Pavilion? It has a sign that says Atlantic Research corporation but I never see anyone going in or out of the chain link fence. Valuable property but no apparent efforts to develop that area. I heard that it was a solid rocket fuel producer in the 50's and 60's and that there was a major environmental problem. Anyone know the deal?
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
SE
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Date: June 25, 2008 03:26PM
I've meant to look this up for awhile now. The place looks creepy. There are signs on the fence saying official gov't property, no trespassing, etc. I'm not sure whats going on with it but I know it's been defunct for awhile now.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Patriot06
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Date: June 25, 2008 10:32PM
I went back and found the document from the EPA where I first read about ARC's contamination. (http://www.epa.gov/reg3wcmd/ca/va/pdf/vad023741705.pdf) It tells most of the story but I know there's something more to it than this. The scariest thing about this is the statement that says "Residential properties previously in the vicinity of the Facility to the south have been converted to industrial operations and an out door amphitheater. Community relation activities will be undertaken when necessary (for example, organize public meetings, develop fact sheets or continue to respond to telephone inquiries by the public businesses)." That's Nissan Pavilion. I'm just saying...Don't drink the water while you're going to the Jimmy Buffett concert.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
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Date: June 25, 2008 11:00PM
Patriot06 Wrote:
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> I went back and found the document from the EPA
> where I first read about ARC's contamination.
> (http://www.epa.gov/reg3wcmd/ca/va/pdf/vad02374170
> 5.pdf) It tells most of the story but I know
> there's something more to it than this. The
> scariest thing about this is the statement that
> says "Residential properties previously in the
> vicinity of the Facility to the south have been
> converted to industrial operations and an out door
> amphitheater. Community relation activities will
> be undertaken when necessary (for example,
> organize public meetings, develop fact sheets or
> continue to respond to telephone inquiries by the
> public businesses)." That's Nissan Pavilion. I'm
> just saying...Don't drink the water while you're
> going to the Jimmy Buffett concert.
I've heard that the old IBM grounds in Manassas were supposed to be cleaned up as part of a Superfund project, but it was never funded. Just think of all the crap underneath Micron, Lockheed and BAE.
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> I went back and found the document from the EPA
> where I first read about ARC's contamination.
> (http://www.epa.gov/reg3wcmd/ca/va/pdf/vad02374170
> 5.pdf) It tells most of the story but I know
> there's something more to it than this. The
> scariest thing about this is the statement that
> says "Residential properties previously in the
> vicinity of the Facility to the south have been
> converted to industrial operations and an out door
> amphitheater. Community relation activities will
> be undertaken when necessary (for example,
> organize public meetings, develop fact sheets or
> continue to respond to telephone inquiries by the
> public businesses)." That's Nissan Pavilion. I'm
> just saying...Don't drink the water while you're
> going to the Jimmy Buffett concert.
I've heard that the old IBM grounds in Manassas were supposed to be cleaned up as part of a Superfund project, but it was never funded. Just think of all the crap underneath Micron, Lockheed and BAE.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Twilly
()
Date: July 05, 2008 05:10PM
All the crap underneath Micron, yeah! The crap running THROUGH the place, daily, as well. Hydrofluoric acid, hydrochloric acid, ect ect...
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Patriot06
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Date: July 05, 2008 10:08PM
I ended up reading a little more online about ARC. Apparently they sued to be able to access public funds to cover the cleanup costs and the case went all the way to the supreme court...and they won.
also, don't know if anyone else has noticed but it appears they have done some very recent soil sampling on the site within sight of the fenceline on Wellington Road. I saw some new plastic tarping in several locations with freshly dug dirt on top. Not really sure why I care about this but it just all seems a little freaky. I keep waiting to see some Godzilla looking deer come crashing out of that dump from all the toxic crap in the soil.
also, don't know if anyone else has noticed but it appears they have done some very recent soil sampling on the site within sight of the fenceline on Wellington Road. I saw some new plastic tarping in several locations with freshly dug dirt on top. Not really sure why I care about this but it just all seems a little freaky. I keep waiting to see some Godzilla looking deer come crashing out of that dump from all the toxic crap in the soil.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Take a Stand
()
Date: July 06, 2008 10:30PM
Patriot06, you have all the facts about this place.
It was indeed a producer of solid rocket fuel, they also tested and made the rockets at that site.I imagine they transported the rockets on the railroad. From what I have read the minute-man rockets were tested there.
There are still test building with rocket test stands back in the woods there.
They have wells and trenches dug around the entire place to help control leeching. Lets just say I threw out my boots after that "hiking trip".
I too am skeptical how complete the clean up operations were. I know I get my water from Lake Manassas and that is up hill but still tetrazine and perclorate are some pretty bad chemical.
That place still has to be bad, after that last big rainfall we had in G-ville. I saw a couple crews trying to prevent run off going from the ARC land into a local stream, fucking wonderful!! All in the name of national security, Im thinking of doing a FOIA request on that place.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/06/2008 10:34PM by Take a Stand.
It was indeed a producer of solid rocket fuel, they also tested and made the rockets at that site.I imagine they transported the rockets on the railroad. From what I have read the minute-man rockets were tested there.
There are still test building with rocket test stands back in the woods there.
They have wells and trenches dug around the entire place to help control leeching. Lets just say I threw out my boots after that "hiking trip".
I too am skeptical how complete the clean up operations were. I know I get my water from Lake Manassas and that is up hill but still tetrazine and perclorate are some pretty bad chemical.
That place still has to be bad, after that last big rainfall we had in G-ville. I saw a couple crews trying to prevent run off going from the ARC land into a local stream, fucking wonderful!! All in the name of national security, Im thinking of doing a FOIA request on that place.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/06/2008 10:34PM by Take a Stand.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Manassas Resident
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Date: July 08, 2008 03:23PM
Twilly Wrote:
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> All the crap underneath Micron, yeah! The crap
> running THROUGH the place, daily, as well.
> Hydrofluoric acid, hydrochloric acid, ect ect...
http://www.epa.gov/superfund/sites/npl/nar366.htm
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> All the crap underneath Micron, yeah! The crap
> running THROUGH the place, daily, as well.
> Hydrofluoric acid, hydrochloric acid, ect ect...
http://www.epa.gov/superfund/sites/npl/nar366.htm
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
J
()
Date: July 09, 2008 03:17PM
ARC used to develop and test propellants for various missiles and rockets. That's all they did. No warheads or anything shady and they weren't "government"...just contractors. I've been on that site as a contractor. It's pretty shitty. Most of the buildings are circa 1950-1960 and most are just storage or a single building for a giant mixer or something like that. Leaky roofs, moldy walls, just nasty.
You have to remember - that site has been in use since the 50's. Environmental regulations have changed over time and really didn't exist for the first few decades. ARC vacated the site about 2 years ago, although the office building just before Nissan and the office building down by the satellite sales place are still in use. The "cleanup" is almost done as far as I know.
The best thing was the deer. They weren't scared of shit. You'd drive by a 12 pointer at about 10 feet and he'd just look at you.
You have to remember - that site has been in use since the 50's. Environmental regulations have changed over time and really didn't exist for the first few decades. ARC vacated the site about 2 years ago, although the office building just before Nissan and the office building down by the satellite sales place are still in use. The "cleanup" is almost done as far as I know.
The best thing was the deer. They weren't scared of shit. You'd drive by a 12 pointer at about 10 feet and he'd just look at you.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
bledbetter
()
Date: April 29, 2009 10:20AM
Is this site easy to get in and explore? Or do their security guards "strongly" discourage unexpected visitors?
Seems like it'd be a good place go get some quasi-abandoned industrial photos, for those of us who are into that sort of thing...
Seems like it'd be a good place go get some quasi-abandoned industrial photos, for those of us who are into that sort of thing...
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Annie3
()
Date: May 01, 2009 09:25AM
bledbetter,
Well, if you hop the fence and get caught with a camera, they may have some pointed questions for you (they'll think you're all "Erin Brockovich," or something). Worth the risk? Not so sure.
On the other hand, you only live once, right? What's the worst that could happen? A Prince William County misdemeanor?
That place has intrigued me since I moved out here. If you do get some pics, post 'em.
Well, if you hop the fence and get caught with a camera, they may have some pointed questions for you (they'll think you're all "Erin Brockovich," or something). Worth the risk? Not so sure.
On the other hand, you only live once, right? What's the worst that could happen? A Prince William County misdemeanor?
That place has intrigued me since I moved out here. If you do get some pics, post 'em.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
radioactive temp
()
Date: May 04, 2009 03:48PM
I did some temp work at the ARC building that's still open by the site. When my assignment ednded, they tested me for radiation....I was negative...but still, that's creepy!
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
One Five
()
Date: May 25, 2009 09:07AM
A guy i know from high school said he does IT security on site for some section of DoD on site there. They may not be there anymore as i haven't spoken with him for about 6 months. He did tell me they had some moderate security there, though. No machine guns, i imagine.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
tinfoil...
()
Date: July 08, 2009 09:42PM
radioactive temp Wrote:
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> I did some temp work at the ARC building that's
> still open by the site. When my assignment
> ednded, they tested me for radiation....I was
> negative...but still, that's creepy!
which agency placed you there?
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> I did some temp work at the ARC building that's
> still open by the site. When my assignment
> ednded, they tested me for radiation....I was
> negative...but still, that's creepy!
which agency placed you there?
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Daniel Garbers
()
Date: August 30, 2009 01:30PM
I worked for Atlantic research on wellington road back in the early 90's and it was creepy even back then,they had a burn pit wich every wednesday they used to burn off all the old rocket fuel wich made a huge cloud of white smoke.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
M
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Date: October 03, 2009 12:04PM
They are in the midst of a RCRA funded cleanup/study there. Supposedly there is prime residential land for the continuing sprawl of DC. Any homes there would be zoned for no basements or residential wells. I wouldn't be snooping around in there, I did some work there and its loaded with ticks, snakes, and disheveled looking deer stuck inside the fenced area. Better not to be curious, its just a dump...
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
AnnieBee
()
Date: October 06, 2009 02:22PM
I was under the impression that the whole Wellington Road area was zoned commercial and industrial only. Benzine is some bad shit and I cannot imagaine that they would a) seriously consider building homes there and b) that no one would make a big stink of they did.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
stuckinnova
()
Date: November 18, 2009 07:08PM
I have a friend that works for Aerojet, recently she told me that all testing operations at the Gainesville site have moved to Culpeper, and that only the main buildings are used by scientists and other analysts. The security still exists, as the buildings where employees work still contain sensitive data. She told me that the lease on the buildings ends in 2012, and Aerojet will move all operations down to their Culpeper campus. After that, the plan in place right now is to build apartments and condos there. I wouldn't live anywhere on this old site, even though the burn pit has been removed.
Funny story, she told me the plant didn't start getting bad publicity until the early 1990's when a rocket motor a group of analysts were testing got loose and ended up flying through the air and landing on Wellington Road in front of a local school bus. Since then the local community has been demanding the relocation of the testing site.
Also, in 2002, during OZfest at Nissan Pavilion, a major motor test during the middle of the afternoon was so loud that the concert was halted for 5 minutes until the test ended. This event only created more support for Aerojet to relocate.
Also, Atlantic Research Corporation doesn't exist anymore, Aerojet sold it of to another company.
Funny story, she told me the plant didn't start getting bad publicity until the early 1990's when a rocket motor a group of analysts were testing got loose and ended up flying through the air and landing on Wellington Road in front of a local school bus. Since then the local community has been demanding the relocation of the testing site.
Also, in 2002, during OZfest at Nissan Pavilion, a major motor test during the middle of the afternoon was so loud that the concert was halted for 5 minutes until the test ended. This event only created more support for Aerojet to relocate.
Also, Atlantic Research Corporation doesn't exist anymore, Aerojet sold it of to another company.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Annie B.
()
Date: December 10, 2009 08:53PM
I wonder if anyone has done a long-term study of the deer/other wildlife that are trapped in there. Since they live off the land, I am sure they would have some side effects from the bad shit in the soil.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
beenthere
()
Date: December 16, 2009 04:56PM
Patriot06 Wrote:
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> I ended up reading a little more online about ARC.
> Apparently they sued to be able to access public
> funds to cover the cleanup costs and the case went
> all the way to the supreme court...and they won.
>
> also, don't know if anyone else has noticed but it
> appears they have done some very recent soil
> sampling on the site within sight of the fenceline
> on Wellington Road. I saw some new plastic tarping
> in several locations with freshly dug dirt on top.
> Not really sure why I care about this but it just
> all seems a little freaky. I keep waiting to see
> some Godzilla looking deer come crashing out of
> that dump from all the toxic crap in the soil.
The clean-up costs case involved their facility in ARKANSAS, if I understood the case correctly.
That's not to say there wasn't some bad stuff in Gainesville, though. How much production they did there versus testing of rocket motors made elsewhere, I don't know.
My dad (a chemical engineer who also worked at the notoriously dirty Union Carbide nuclear plant in Paducah KY for 8 years before coming to ARC) worked there from 1959 until he retired in 1984 or so, and drank the water there every day etc. (BTW, they made Redeye solid propellant rocket motors, also cheap target rockets which were used to provide targets for Redeyes to be fired at; later Redeye evolved into Stinger..don't know about Minuteman)
Given his employment history you'd expect him to glow in the dark or something, but he's a hale and hearty 85 year old who has the energy of men 30 years younger (me, for one), go figure...
We used to go to company picnics, once every summer, around a sort of central pond IIRC. God knows what was in there, but it actually looked sort of pretty, surrounded by pine trees...
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> I ended up reading a little more online about ARC.
> Apparently they sued to be able to access public
> funds to cover the cleanup costs and the case went
> all the way to the supreme court...and they won.
>
> also, don't know if anyone else has noticed but it
> appears they have done some very recent soil
> sampling on the site within sight of the fenceline
> on Wellington Road. I saw some new plastic tarping
> in several locations with freshly dug dirt on top.
> Not really sure why I care about this but it just
> all seems a little freaky. I keep waiting to see
> some Godzilla looking deer come crashing out of
> that dump from all the toxic crap in the soil.
The clean-up costs case involved their facility in ARKANSAS, if I understood the case correctly.
That's not to say there wasn't some bad stuff in Gainesville, though. How much production they did there versus testing of rocket motors made elsewhere, I don't know.
My dad (a chemical engineer who also worked at the notoriously dirty Union Carbide nuclear plant in Paducah KY for 8 years before coming to ARC) worked there from 1959 until he retired in 1984 or so, and drank the water there every day etc. (BTW, they made Redeye solid propellant rocket motors, also cheap target rockets which were used to provide targets for Redeyes to be fired at; later Redeye evolved into Stinger..don't know about Minuteman)
Given his employment history you'd expect him to glow in the dark or something, but he's a hale and hearty 85 year old who has the energy of men 30 years younger (me, for one), go figure...
We used to go to company picnics, once every summer, around a sort of central pond IIRC. God knows what was in there, but it actually looked sort of pretty, surrounded by pine trees...
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
BERNARD SILVER
()
Date: December 29, 2009 11:43PM
I worked in the facility, developing the process for extruding solid propellent.
Most of the buildings were deliberately designed to be very fragile in order to not "contain" any incidents such as fires or explosives.
Management was very heavy in SAFETY of personnel and maintaining a clean environment.
I ate some bluegills cought from the pond.
Yes, we did have considerable amounts of "scrap solid propellent" and this was disposed of by periodically burning it in a pit under very closely controlled conditions. There was never any risk to causing a forest fire or damaging the environment of animals.
Most of the buildings were deliberately designed to be very fragile in order to not "contain" any incidents such as fires or explosives.
Management was very heavy in SAFETY of personnel and maintaining a clean environment.
I ate some bluegills cought from the pond.
Yes, we did have considerable amounts of "scrap solid propellent" and this was disposed of by periodically burning it in a pit under very closely controlled conditions. There was never any risk to causing a forest fire or damaging the environment of animals.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
GAD
()
Date: January 03, 2010 03:10PM
I used to do air conditioning replacements at ARC in the 80's. They had their own maintenance guys there that did repairs but called in a contractor for replacements. They had a high failure rate of evaperator coils, somthing in the air in some of the labs would eat through the copper in the coils and cause them to leak all or most of the freon out. They would even pay me for failed coils that were still under warranty, it was like they knew what was causing the problem but did not want to call attention to the issue.
Some of the bulidings in there required that a security guard stay with contractors the whole time we were working.
Some of the bulidings in there required that a security guard stay with contractors the whole time we were working.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
inspector69
()
Date: January 20, 2010 01:35PM
I am looking for information regarding Atlantic Reasearch Corporation mission statement and operation at a plant located on King Street West Hanover Massachusetts. In January 1958 my father was killed as a result of an onsite accident at this plant. I have started to look into this accident and am having trouble locating files, reports and other related information.
inspector69@comcast.net
inspector69@comcast.net
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Rocket Scientist
()
Date: March 15, 2010 06:02PM
I worked at ARC for most of the 80s. I was recently out of graduate school (in fact they paid for my graduate school), and I can't imagine a more exciting environment for a young engineer. I was involved in the Navy Standard Missile, Stinger, MLRS, C-4 (the missile, not the plastic explosive), D-5, a Star Wars system I can't remember, and God knows how many one-off missile programs and proposals. They were involved in the early development of composite materials, too, back when that work was pretty black. We're talking the Reagan years, when the military was going through a huge rebuilding phase.
As I recall, the employment there topped out at 2500 people, but that might be a little high. We had over 200 operating buildings, miles of roads some ponds and even our own fire station, fully equipped.
I was there as the pressure built for ARC to move energetic operations out of Gainesville. In fact the reason I left was the rumor that I would be transferred to their facilities in Camden, Arkansas. I spent a lot of time there as it was, and there was no way I was moving to Camden. Maybe it's a nice place now, but at the time it defined the phrase "shit hole." Meaning no offense to Arkansas natives, of course.
Two people were killed while I was there, one a contractor and the other an employee, but only the contractor died as a result of contact with energetic materials. Thing about propellants was once they started buring, there was no putting them out.
As far as environmental issues are concerned, we had some problems, but the vast majority of them were tied to things that were done before there were any real environmental regulations, and we were up front about all of them, and did everything that we asked to do. As I recall, we were the ones who discovered the problems in the first place and reported them to the EPA.
Someone mentioned the pit burns, where we destoryed scrap propellant. That is in fact true, and it was the only legal way to get rid of the stuff. We tried to hold weekly burns, but if the ground was too dry, we'd sometimes have to wait for many weeks between burns. They could get pretty exciting.
Then there are the deer, poor things. I don't know when the fence first went up, but I'm pretty sure that every deer you see now is a direct descendant of the ones who were first enclosed. We actually had to build barricades between the fenceline and the operating buildings in the back of the plant to keep poachers from shooting bullets into the explosives.
Anyway, it was a great place to work. And everyone can rest assured that while many of the programs were classified, none that I knew of were scarier than standards explosives.
As I recall, the employment there topped out at 2500 people, but that might be a little high. We had over 200 operating buildings, miles of roads some ponds and even our own fire station, fully equipped.
I was there as the pressure built for ARC to move energetic operations out of Gainesville. In fact the reason I left was the rumor that I would be transferred to their facilities in Camden, Arkansas. I spent a lot of time there as it was, and there was no way I was moving to Camden. Maybe it's a nice place now, but at the time it defined the phrase "shit hole." Meaning no offense to Arkansas natives, of course.
Two people were killed while I was there, one a contractor and the other an employee, but only the contractor died as a result of contact with energetic materials. Thing about propellants was once they started buring, there was no putting them out.
As far as environmental issues are concerned, we had some problems, but the vast majority of them were tied to things that were done before there were any real environmental regulations, and we were up front about all of them, and did everything that we asked to do. As I recall, we were the ones who discovered the problems in the first place and reported them to the EPA.
Someone mentioned the pit burns, where we destoryed scrap propellant. That is in fact true, and it was the only legal way to get rid of the stuff. We tried to hold weekly burns, but if the ground was too dry, we'd sometimes have to wait for many weeks between burns. They could get pretty exciting.
Then there are the deer, poor things. I don't know when the fence first went up, but I'm pretty sure that every deer you see now is a direct descendant of the ones who were first enclosed. We actually had to build barricades between the fenceline and the operating buildings in the back of the plant to keep poachers from shooting bullets into the explosives.
Anyway, it was a great place to work. And everyone can rest assured that while many of the programs were classified, none that I knew of were scarier than standards explosives.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
The Crowing
()
Date: March 25, 2010 10:46AM
This place has security driving around it on a constant basis. My urban exploring crew went and tried to get into the facility. No way. There are signs all over that tell you you will be charged with espionage, 10 years in prison and 20,000 dollars. We got to the fenceline and as soon as we did a security truck came driving around the road that circles around the entire facility. He was driving really slow and tapping the brakes a lot. Most likely looking for people trying to get in. Something is still happening back there. But if you are looking to explore something, try another location.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Bill Colburn
()
Date: April 23, 2010 02:22PM
Please remember that the MInuteman, Polaris, and Titan kept the nuclear stalemate which the Cold War created and that ARC was a part of that effort. Environmental concerns were not a top priority when every earth tremor or smoke on the horizon caused your heart to stop from the fear of a nuclear strike.
The ponds were required by the US Government as DISPOSAL PONDS. (mainly for Primary Compounds)
It was a fearful time and it is amazing that world major leaders had enough sanity to keep from pressing the big red button.
The ponds were required by the US Government as DISPOSAL PONDS. (mainly for Primary Compounds)
It was a fearful time and it is amazing that world major leaders had enough sanity to keep from pressing the big red button.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
woof-woof
()
Date: May 20, 2010 07:42PM
A byproduct of solid rocket propellant burning is hydrochloric acid.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
bored@work
()
Date: June 03, 2010 12:03PM
yeah that property is owned by Aerojet..used to do some short range missile testing there
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Warhawk
()
Date: June 03, 2010 03:22PM
bored@work Wrote:
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> yeah that property is owned by Aerojet..
Who bought out Atlantic Research Corporation back in the early 2000's.
__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.
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> yeah that property is owned by Aerojet..
Who bought out Atlantic Research Corporation back in the early 2000's.
__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
UFO
()
Date: July 25, 2010 06:08PM
They make flying saucers.
There is testimony to this in the Disclosure Project.
There is testimony to this in the Disclosure Project.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
The Congressman NLI
()
Date: October 07, 2010 10:15AM
I worked at ARC as an outside contractor from 2003-2004 just before the sale to Aerojet (or during, I didn't really know). It really bothered me to have to vent exhaust gases and other waste into a drainage ditch near our building. Many other things bothered me about working there, but that was the most blatant. Paid quite well though.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Jill Strong Knox
()
Date: December 16, 2010 03:07PM
I have found this whole thread fascinating.
I worked at the Gainesville facility on Wellington between 1998 - 2000. I quit in order to move to Missouri.
I've recently been trying to find contacts and phone numbers to put on job applications and have not found anything.
I guess I know why now! :)
Thanks
I worked at the Gainesville facility on Wellington between 1998 - 2000. I quit in order to move to Missouri.
I've recently been trying to find contacts and phone numbers to put on job applications and have not found anything.
I guess I know why now! :)
Thanks
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Gainesville Researcher
()
Date: January 15, 2011 11:42PM
The Prince William County property tax records show that the property was bought in 1976 for $2 million by "Gainesville Associates c/o the Maryland Jockey Club, Columbia MD." Gainesville Associates appears to be a "consulting firm" or holding company established for transacting business related to the land. Perhaps this includes rental income from ARC/Aerojet or whoever was/is leasing the land. According to Wikipedia's entry on the the MJC, it is "a sporting organization dedicated to horse racing, founded in Annapolis in 1743. The Jockey Club was founded more than 30 years before the start of the Revolutionary War and is chartered as the oldest sporting organization in North America. After 267 years it remains the corporate name of the company that operates; Pimlico Race Course in Baltimore, Maryland which opened in 1870, Laurel Park Racecourse in Laurel, Maryland which opened in 1911 and Bowie Race Track in Bowie, Maryland which opened as race course in 1914 and ceased operations as a track in 1985. The track now serves as a training center for Thoroughbred racehorses." In recent times, however, horse racing in Maryland has been a dying industry and there is much turmoil surrounding the future of the business in that state. The plot thickens.....
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
chris donovan
()
Date: January 28, 2011 06:29PM
ARC is the current 2010 development and "research" division for the government, it is affiliated with senator nun and sandia labs. Only a small part of old tech was licensed to areojet. ARC is the home of cutting edge military blac ops and munitions...DON't ask don't tell...been this way since 1943. They were a major supply'r of secret stuff during ww2 noteable for artillery fuzing and high explosives as well as "rocket' Moters.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
jack gordon
()
Date: January 31, 2011 08:51AM
i used to work there/
business went downhill in 1970.
we used to bury chemical warfare wastes in pits on the property. there should be some signs saying don't dig here.
we dosed the wastes with large amounts of hypochlorite bleach, that was supposed to neutralize the wastes.
u was told there were also beryllium wastes buried there, but i was not a participant in that.
> jack
business went downhill in 1970.
we used to bury chemical warfare wastes in pits on the property. there should be some signs saying don't dig here.
we dosed the wastes with large amounts of hypochlorite bleach, that was supposed to neutralize the wastes.
u was told there were also beryllium wastes buried there, but i was not a participant in that.
> jack
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
smokey5835
()
Date: March 01, 2011 03:28AM
ARC used to make solid rocket motors, and was a government defense contractor, work now done elsewhere. Too bad you can't plant in the soil, groundwater contamination as well, won't leach out of soil, tests for that heavier elements failed. Don't waste time on the property, let it go.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
B
()
Date: March 22, 2011 03:29AM
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
EMT Guy
()
Date: April 16, 2011 11:11AM
My grandfather worked at ARC back when it first started. He's told me stories about how they would invent things for the military. One of the things they made was a type of plastic that never wears out. He still has a piece in the barn and it's amazing how durable it is. I honestly believe it to be industructible.
And of course, the rocket fuel. That was their main product they produced and made new mixtures of.
As for the death at the factory, this is what my grandad told me:
After the fuel was made, they would put it into metal cylinders with metal lids that you had to bolt on. My grandad was working next to one of the workers that was bolting on the lid and apparantly some of the fuel had gotten onto the threads and while he was tightning the bolt, it flew up and went through his jaw and out the top of his head, killing him instantly.
And of course, the rocket fuel. That was their main product they produced and made new mixtures of.
As for the death at the factory, this is what my grandad told me:
After the fuel was made, they would put it into metal cylinders with metal lids that you had to bolt on. My grandad was working next to one of the workers that was bolting on the lid and apparantly some of the fuel had gotten onto the threads and while he was tightning the bolt, it flew up and went through his jaw and out the top of his head, killing him instantly.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
MB211
()
Date: April 22, 2011 01:12PM
"As for the death at the factory, this is what my grandad told me:
After the fuel was made, they would put it into metal cylinders with metal lids that you had to bolt on. My grandad was working next to one of the workers that was bolting on the lid and apparantly some of the fuel had gotten onto the threads and while he was tightning the bolt, it flew up and went through his jaw and out the top of his head, killing him instantly."
I worked there for a few months in the summer of 1986, and I heard this same story almost word-for-word. Sometime in the 90s I saw a newspaper article that a worker slipped while cleaning one of the massive mixing drums and died. I was almost a casualty there, myself. I was a warehouseman, delivering rocket fuel to the various "magazines" around the campus. I was once in the test area when the siren for an imminent test went off and a 30-second (something like that) countdown started. It wasn't supposed to be able to happen with people in the area, but it did. My coworker and I ran like hell. They made fuel for minuteman rockets (I used to eat lunch sitting on a minuteman fuel casing) and stingers while I was there. My first week on the job a couple of stingers (unarmed, but still) disappeared and DOD investigators came in and were giving everyone polygraphs. They eventually found them in a garbage can. I have more stories from those three months than from the rest of my career combined.
After the fuel was made, they would put it into metal cylinders with metal lids that you had to bolt on. My grandad was working next to one of the workers that was bolting on the lid and apparantly some of the fuel had gotten onto the threads and while he was tightning the bolt, it flew up and went through his jaw and out the top of his head, killing him instantly."
I worked there for a few months in the summer of 1986, and I heard this same story almost word-for-word. Sometime in the 90s I saw a newspaper article that a worker slipped while cleaning one of the massive mixing drums and died. I was almost a casualty there, myself. I was a warehouseman, delivering rocket fuel to the various "magazines" around the campus. I was once in the test area when the siren for an imminent test went off and a 30-second (something like that) countdown started. It wasn't supposed to be able to happen with people in the area, but it did. My coworker and I ran like hell. They made fuel for minuteman rockets (I used to eat lunch sitting on a minuteman fuel casing) and stingers while I was there. My first week on the job a couple of stingers (unarmed, but still) disappeared and DOD investigators came in and were giving everyone polygraphs. They eventually found them in a garbage can. I have more stories from those three months than from the rest of my career combined.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
ultra22610
()
Date: May 30, 2011 06:57PM
I'm one of the security guards working that site. We've been patroling the plant since Sept 05. The plant stopped operations in 1999 and since 2005 various enviromental companys have been in there doing contamination testing and clean up. The buildings are to be demolished and the perperty turned over to the owners by Aug 2012.
Over the past six years the fence has been cut many times by people either exploring or coming in to steal copper wire and pipe. with exception of the buildings at the gate the place has been basically striped. I personally would not go roaming around the grounds or the buildings because the Ticks and chiggars are outragious. Plus I read the enviromental impact study. So if you do decide to trespass you so ar you own risk and if caught you will be arrested.
Over the past six years the fence has been cut many times by people either exploring or coming in to steal copper wire and pipe. with exception of the buildings at the gate the place has been basically striped. I personally would not go roaming around the grounds or the buildings because the Ticks and chiggars are outragious. Plus I read the enviromental impact study. So if you do decide to trespass you so ar you own risk and if caught you will be arrested.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
unsituated
()
Date: July 11, 2011 11:44AM
I worked there between July 1998 to Feb 2000, research and technology section. Disposal of material was closely monitored at that point, but it was clear through the actions of the long-tenured employees that the damage was already done. No one drank tap water, the company supplied bottled water for all. It was a decent place to work, but clearly on the downturn. Some of the research conducted at that point was upgrading the fuel for auto airbags, auto fire supression, and enhancements to already-in-use missile launch/sustainer systems. Making propellant mixes was fun and interesting, but breathing solvent fumes and oxidizer dusts was a daily hazard. I remember discussions with old-timers who told of programs involving nerve agents and buried animal carcasses following testing. There was supposedly a padded room in one of the main R/T buildings years ago for workers who accidentally got nerve agents on their skin which would cause hallucinations, paranoia, etc. It is my understanding that all the fun stuff (mix materials, equipment, etc) is long gone, the plant is virtually empty, and not worth the risk of attempting a sight-seeing visit.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
ameericanboy
()
Date: July 17, 2011 10:02AM
ya so this place is really cool!! recently i have noticed increased activity around the main gate including an armed security guard! i have also seen deer wandering around the premisis, not sure if there experimental or regular deer. If they are regular deer, then ho did they get in???
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Rob T
()
Date: July 21, 2011 04:13PM
To Jack Gordon......did ARC really bury chemical warfare wastes in pits at the Wellington Road Site ?? I always thought that ARC was only involved with rocket propellant. Why would ARC be involved with chemical warfare material, why would they bury it, and I wonder how much chemical warfare material ARC did bury ??
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Ship
()
Date: July 21, 2011 04:24PM
Patriot06 Wrote:
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> I ended up reading a little more online about ARC.
> Apparently they sued to be able to access public
> funds to cover the cleanup costs and the case went
> all the way to the supreme court...and they won.
>
> also, don't know if anyone else has noticed but it
> appears they have done some very recent soil
> sampling on the site within sight of the fenceline
> on Wellington Road. I saw some new plastic tarping
> in several locations with freshly dug dirt on top.
> Not really sure why I care about this but it just
> all seems a little freaky. I keep waiting to see
> some Godzilla looking deer come crashing out of
> that dump from all the toxic crap in the soil.
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> I ended up reading a little more online about ARC.
> Apparently they sued to be able to access public
> funds to cover the cleanup costs and the case went
> all the way to the supreme court...and they won.
>
> also, don't know if anyone else has noticed but it
> appears they have done some very recent soil
> sampling on the site within sight of the fenceline
> on Wellington Road. I saw some new plastic tarping
> in several locations with freshly dug dirt on top.
> Not really sure why I care about this but it just
> all seems a little freaky. I keep waiting to see
> some Godzilla looking deer come crashing out of
> that dump from all the toxic crap in the soil.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
no name
()
Date: July 21, 2011 04:29PM
Just figured you might find it interesting that the fire department is staging right now at Jiffy Lube with a complete HAZMAT response for ARC on Wellington Rd. The HAZMAT and few other suppression pieces that are there were to only be used for the Civil War event that started today. What ever is going on is not good. They only requested one ambulance so I guess that's good.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
eviiil
()
Date: July 21, 2011 04:44PM
was wondering the same thing......please post if you find out before i do i have been listening on the scanner
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Former Atlantic Research Employee
()
Date: July 22, 2011 04:43PM
Wow, how idiots start rumors ...
Atlantic research was around since the 1960's, I had relatives who retired there, then I worked there. They made solid rocket fuel, which burns very clean, with very little emissions, much, much less than today's cars. The only motors they built were small boosters, and they even had contracts on the boosters for the space shuttle.
ARC was very proud of being a clean facility, and the wildlife there is very healthy. It was very clean, and it only looks 'eerie' due to the fact that a lot of the buildings were never remodeled because they didn't need to be.
They were eventually bought out by Aerojet and moved the production side of the facility. Only a handful of office personnel still remain at Gainesville, offsite of the original plant.
Back in the day before Gainesville was overrun by yuppies, builders, and northern aggression, this was a nice area. Back when Linton Hall road was a dirt road, no stop lights, no traffic, very peaceful then.
So, need to start rumors about a place if you don't know it's history.
I used to rabbit hunt where all the shopping centers are now in Gainesville. Was a much better time then...
Atlantic research was around since the 1960's, I had relatives who retired there, then I worked there. They made solid rocket fuel, which burns very clean, with very little emissions, much, much less than today's cars. The only motors they built were small boosters, and they even had contracts on the boosters for the space shuttle.
ARC was very proud of being a clean facility, and the wildlife there is very healthy. It was very clean, and it only looks 'eerie' due to the fact that a lot of the buildings were never remodeled because they didn't need to be.
They were eventually bought out by Aerojet and moved the production side of the facility. Only a handful of office personnel still remain at Gainesville, offsite of the original plant.
Back in the day before Gainesville was overrun by yuppies, builders, and northern aggression, this was a nice area. Back when Linton Hall road was a dirt road, no stop lights, no traffic, very peaceful then.
So, need to start rumors about a place if you don't know it's history.
I used to rabbit hunt where all the shopping centers are now in Gainesville. Was a much better time then...
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
eddie munster
()
Date: July 23, 2011 12:09PM
Patriot06 Wrote:
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> I ended up reading a little more online about ARC.
> Apparently they sued to be able to access public
> funds to cover the cleanup costs and the case went
> all the way to the supreme court...and they won.
>
> also, don't know if anyone else has noticed but it
> appears they have done some very recent soil
> sampling on the site within sight of the fenceline
> on Wellington Road. I saw some new plastic tarping
> in several locations with freshly dug dirt on top.
> Not really sure why I care about this but it just
> all seems a little freaky. I keep waiting to see
> some Godzilla looking deer come crashing out of
> that dump from all the toxic crap in the soil.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I ended up reading a little more online about ARC.
> Apparently they sued to be able to access public
> funds to cover the cleanup costs and the case went
> all the way to the supreme court...and they won.
>
> also, don't know if anyone else has noticed but it
> appears they have done some very recent soil
> sampling on the site within sight of the fenceline
> on Wellington Road. I saw some new plastic tarping
> in several locations with freshly dug dirt on top.
> Not really sure why I care about this but it just
> all seems a little freaky. I keep waiting to see
> some Godzilla looking deer come crashing out of
> that dump from all the toxic crap in the soil.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
eddie munster
()
Date: July 23, 2011 12:13PM
I just left ARC wellington.... three headed deer everywhere drinking jack daniels and cola... a few space aliens smoking crack and making rocket fuel... whoa freaky place ya'll
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Linda
()
Date: July 23, 2011 03:04PM
I am a former 20 year employee at the Edsall Rd facility along I-95 in Springfield. THIS SITE IS EXACTLY all about rumors. ARC was a wonderful company to work for. It is a shame that President Coleman Raphael allowed the stock to go public. This when we were taken over by Sequa Corp. which pretty much milked ARC to save themselves. I did some work at the Pine Ridge facility on Wellington Road. The company had many employee picnics at Pine Ridge. It was a safe and employee friendly environment. All of you who are tearing at these bones---should spend more time on Capitol Hill. They have more meat to fight over.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Then Why?
()
Date: July 23, 2011 03:51PM
Linda Wrote:
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> I am a former 20 year employee at the Edsall Rd
> facility along I-95 in Springfield. THIS SITE IS
> EXACTLY all about rumors. ARC was a wonderful
> company to work for. It is a shame that President
> Coleman Raphael allowed the stock to go public.
> This when we were taken over by Sequa Corp. which
> pretty much milked ARC to save themselves. I did
> some work at the Pine Ridge facility on Wellington
> Road. The company had many employee picnics at
> Pine Ridge. It was a safe and employee friendly
> environment. All of you who are tearing at these
> bones---should spend more time on Capitol Hill.
> They have more meat to fight over.
I'm sure there are plenty of "speculations" regarding the Gainesville facility as have been posted. However, I also have to wonder:
1) The site is right across from Jiffy Lube Live. It is prime commercial real estate. Why hasn't it been put up for sale if the area is no longer used?
2) If the soil on the site is not contaminated, then why have wells been drilled off and on? It appears these "wells" are being drilled to check deep soil samples. I've seen the wells for myself from the road. This is not a speculation.
Any answers to those questions, Linda?
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> I am a former 20 year employee at the Edsall Rd
> facility along I-95 in Springfield. THIS SITE IS
> EXACTLY all about rumors. ARC was a wonderful
> company to work for. It is a shame that President
> Coleman Raphael allowed the stock to go public.
> This when we were taken over by Sequa Corp. which
> pretty much milked ARC to save themselves. I did
> some work at the Pine Ridge facility on Wellington
> Road. The company had many employee picnics at
> Pine Ridge. It was a safe and employee friendly
> environment. All of you who are tearing at these
> bones---should spend more time on Capitol Hill.
> They have more meat to fight over.
I'm sure there are plenty of "speculations" regarding the Gainesville facility as have been posted. However, I also have to wonder:
1) The site is right across from Jiffy Lube Live. It is prime commercial real estate. Why hasn't it been put up for sale if the area is no longer used?
2) If the soil on the site is not contaminated, then why have wells been drilled off and on? It appears these "wells" are being drilled to check deep soil samples. I've seen the wells for myself from the road. This is not a speculation.
Any answers to those questions, Linda?
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Douglas
()
Date: July 23, 2011 11:26PM
You seemed to be all greased up about Jiffy Lube, Then Why?
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Then Why?
()
Date: July 24, 2011 10:24PM
Douglas Wrote:
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> You seemed to be all greased up about Jiffy Lube,
> Then Why?
Douglas, Don't worry about me. Also, we all now refer to the Jiffy Lube Live as "The Big Dipstick".
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> You seemed to be all greased up about Jiffy Lube,
> Then Why?
Douglas, Don't worry about me. Also, we all now refer to the Jiffy Lube Live as "The Big Dipstick".
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Herbert
()
Date: August 22, 2011 09:04PM
Patriot06 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I ended up reading a little more online about ARC.
> Apparently they sued to be able to access public
> funds to cover the cleanup costs and the case went
> all the way to the supreme court...and they won.
>
> also, don't know if anyone else has noticed but it
> appears they have done some very recent soil
> sampling on the site within sight of the fenceline
> on Wellington Road. I saw some new plastic tarping
> in several locations with freshly dug dirt on top.
> Not really sure why I care about this but it just
> all seems a little freaky. I keep waiting to see
> some Godzilla looking deer come crashing out of
> that dump from all the toxic crap in the soil.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I ended up reading a little more online about ARC.
> Apparently they sued to be able to access public
> funds to cover the cleanup costs and the case went
> all the way to the supreme court...and they won.
>
> also, don't know if anyone else has noticed but it
> appears they have done some very recent soil
> sampling on the site within sight of the fenceline
> on Wellington Road. I saw some new plastic tarping
> in several locations with freshly dug dirt on top.
> Not really sure why I care about this but it just
> all seems a little freaky. I keep waiting to see
> some Godzilla looking deer come crashing out of
> that dump from all the toxic crap in the soil.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Herbert
()
Date: August 22, 2011 09:59PM
My Dad was a Vice President at ARC and I grew up in Springfield. They actually did limited- compared to other facilities- testing at that locale. The irony is that Jimmy Sides (longtime President, who followed the founder of ARC at the helm) was awarded the Albert Einstein Peace Award by Israel a year or so ago. I am guessing the only interaction Jim had with Israel was over lox and weapon systems. Wasn't Albert a pacifist?
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Sylvia m.
()
Date: August 30, 2011 04:08PM
My father and I both worked at Edsall rd facility in the early 60's. Lee Rice was president then and I worked with Nora French his secretary. The grounds were beautiful and the cafeteria served delicious food with prime rib!! It was a great place to work and neither my father nor I suffered from any environmental issues.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Linda
()
Date: August 30, 2011 11:19PM
I agree with Sylvia about the Edsall Rd facility being a great place to work. Women were promoted from within --which didn't happen at many places during the 70's and 80's. I walked across the glass paneled bridge to our wonderful cafeteria so many times. I remember the chefs cheese soup. I wish people would stop bashing ARC. It gave many of us a good job and lifestyle.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Ronk
()
Date: September 21, 2011 01:43PM
I worked at an Atlantic research facility in Hanover during one summer - 1966 or 67 - not sure. We made land mines for the Vietnam War. I have been interested in finding some record of its operations as well. After I left, I read about an accident in which at least one employee was killed.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
RB1967
()
Date: October 06, 2011 03:44PM
I worked in the QC department at this facility back in the late 80's and early 90's, so I have a pretty good perspective on this topic. The issues with the EPA were mostly due to the lack of a disciplined approach to disposing of chemicals used by the factory workers. For the most part.....one of the main issues was the fact that Methyl Ethyl Ketone (MEK) was used EVERYWHERE in the factory for cleaning up all kinds of mistakes on the rocket motors. When the MEK became too poluted to act as a working solvant, most of the factory workers would simply dump the refuse out in the weeds behind whatever building they worked in. I'm not saying that there weren't other issues, but I definitely know that this was one. As for safety....it was a very safety-conscious environment. Safety was stressed at all times, as the materials being worked were very dangerous. As a QC inspector, I saw it all, to include some of the projects that required security clearances. I assure you......there was nothing crazy going on. As others have already stated, this was simply another Defense contractor working on rocket motors and propellant for several of the missile programs.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Why?
()
Date: October 07, 2011 12:04AM
RB1967 Wrote:
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> I worked in the QC department at this facility
> back in the late 80's and early 90's, so I have a
> pretty good perspective on this topic. The issues
> with the EPA were mostly due to the lack of a
> disciplined approach to disposing of chemicals
> used by the factory workers. For the most
> part.....one of the main issues was the fact that
> Methyl Ethyl Ketone (MEK) was used EVERYWHERE in
> the factory for cleaning up all kinds of mistakes
> on the rocket motors. When the MEK became too
> poluted to act as a working solvant, most of the
> factory workers would simply dump the refuse out
> in the weeds behind whatever building they worked
> in. I'm not saying that there weren't other
> issues, but I definitely know that this was one.
> As for safety....it was a very safety-conscious
> environment. Safety was stressed at all times, as
> the materials being worked were very dangerous.
> As a QC inspector, I saw it all, to include some
> of the projects that required security clearances.
> I assure you......there was nothing crazy going
> on. As others have already stated, this was
> simply another Defense contractor working on
> rocket motors and propellant for several of the
> missile programs.
Why do you think they are holding onto that land? The tax bill to the county has got to be quite a bit for the property - that's essentially just sitting vacant. I think the county offers some reprieve if you have a small farm. They should just buy a few cows to stay in the fence-in area to eat the grass and enjoy the tax discounts.
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> I worked in the QC department at this facility
> back in the late 80's and early 90's, so I have a
> pretty good perspective on this topic. The issues
> with the EPA were mostly due to the lack of a
> disciplined approach to disposing of chemicals
> used by the factory workers. For the most
> part.....one of the main issues was the fact that
> Methyl Ethyl Ketone (MEK) was used EVERYWHERE in
> the factory for cleaning up all kinds of mistakes
> on the rocket motors. When the MEK became too
> poluted to act as a working solvant, most of the
> factory workers would simply dump the refuse out
> in the weeds behind whatever building they worked
> in. I'm not saying that there weren't other
> issues, but I definitely know that this was one.
> As for safety....it was a very safety-conscious
> environment. Safety was stressed at all times, as
> the materials being worked were very dangerous.
> As a QC inspector, I saw it all, to include some
> of the projects that required security clearances.
> I assure you......there was nothing crazy going
> on. As others have already stated, this was
> simply another Defense contractor working on
> rocket motors and propellant for several of the
> missile programs.
Why do you think they are holding onto that land? The tax bill to the county has got to be quite a bit for the property - that's essentially just sitting vacant. I think the county offers some reprieve if you have a small farm. They should just buy a few cows to stay in the fence-in area to eat the grass and enjoy the tax discounts.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
RB1967
()
Date: October 07, 2011 09:10AM
I would guess that the EPA issues from the past require periodic testing until some level of compliance is met. Maybe they haven't met the requirements yet, which means the property isn't usable. I'm just guessing and really don't know.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Why?
()
Date: October 08, 2011 11:08AM
RB1967 Wrote:
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> I would guess that the EPA issues from the past
> require periodic testing until some level of
> compliance is met. Maybe they haven't met the
> requirements yet, which means the property isn't
> usable. I'm just guessing and really don't know.
Thanks. I guess I couldn't understand why that land was just sitting there when the county is building up lots of industrial parks right around the area.
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> I would guess that the EPA issues from the past
> require periodic testing until some level of
> compliance is met. Maybe they haven't met the
> requirements yet, which means the property isn't
> usable. I'm just guessing and really don't know.
Thanks. I guess I couldn't understand why that land was just sitting there when the county is building up lots of industrial parks right around the area.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Jeff Waters
()
Date: November 20, 2011 12:09PM
Most of what I have read about ARC is true. I worked as a senior missile test technician at test bays 4 and 5 from 1978 'till 1982. The facility was called the "Air" facility because we pumped heated, high pressure air through the newly developing air-breathing ram-jet missiles we were working on about the time the original tomahawk cruise missile was being developed. I worked side-by-side with many highly intelligent ( and VERY well paid ) engineers. The head aerospace engineer at the time was a man named Bernie Brian. Bernie was brilliant, but at the same time, very anal, and suspicious of everyone and everything. He accused three test technicians of smoking marijuana in one of the test bays during a set-up phase prior to a live missile test. Two of the techs were urine tested and found that they did indeed have THC in their bloodstream. They were fired immediately. The third Technician refused to take a urine test and quit. Whether they really were smoking or not has never been proven. And that third technician was me ( ain't that a hoot?). The dismissal of all three test technicians, the only three qualified to operate this facility, set this test facility back one year until new techs could be trained. Bernie lost, or almost lost many hundreds of thousands of Department of Defense contracts for the USA Navy, and almost lost HIS job because of this incident. Sometimes being prudent needs to outweigh the " I am right and you are wrong mentality". Bernie was quoted to me later by a chemical engineer that I worked closely with named Joe C. that, " I wish I had kept my mouth shut about what I thought I smelled in the test bay #5 that day". The only people that really know what happened that day are those three technicians, wrongly accused by a man with a huge IQ, but a tiny brain.
I really hated leaving ARC because at that time it was a great, fun place to work. Good pay, all health benefits paid, profit sharing. etc. etc.
And about the ARC deer as they were called. They were very small dear, probably a mutation from all the MEK being poured on the ground. However, I HAVE seen them jump that 6 foot high barbed wire topped fence with ease.
As for the land... I doubt it will ever be cleaned-up. It is a wasteland. Too much, and too many decades of industrial spoilage. Being a senior tech had it's advantages. I had free access to ALL areas of the plant, and I saw it all. Most people that worked there had very limited access to only the areas they worked in. Also, at that time, there was NOTHING out that way. It was secluded country, but time has overgrown the area.
I really hated leaving ARC because at that time it was a great, fun place to work. Good pay, all health benefits paid, profit sharing. etc. etc.
And about the ARC deer as they were called. They were very small dear, probably a mutation from all the MEK being poured on the ground. However, I HAVE seen them jump that 6 foot high barbed wire topped fence with ease.
As for the land... I doubt it will ever be cleaned-up. It is a wasteland. Too much, and too many decades of industrial spoilage. Being a senior tech had it's advantages. I had free access to ALL areas of the plant, and I saw it all. Most people that worked there had very limited access to only the areas they worked in. Also, at that time, there was NOTHING out that way. It was secluded country, but time has overgrown the area.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
He Is Delusional
()
Date: November 22, 2011 08:03AM
I was driving by there a few days ago on Wellington Road. I was surprised to see a silver security pickup truck driving on the inside of the fence area. I recall the security being there 10 - 15 years ago, but didn't realize they still had a small security force working at that site.
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Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Intheknow
()
Date: January 25, 2012 02:44PM
The property has long been owned by Joseph De Francis (Gainesville Associates). Atlantic Research/Aerojet leased it from him. He has given a minimum of $25,000 to PWC Board Chairman Corey Stewart.
There is a pending rezoning on the 414 acres to allow a huge residential/commercial center. Watch the 2008-filed case "ripen" this year. Watch Stewart's previous opposition morph to enthusiastic support.
There is a pending rezoning on the 414 acres to allow a huge residential/commercial center. Watch the 2008-filed case "ripen" this year. Watch Stewart's previous opposition morph to enthusiastic support.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Jonnn Dough
()
Date: February 29, 2012 10:44AM
Rumor has it that there will be a lot of activity on this site in the next couple of months
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Michael
()
Date: March 14, 2012 12:25AM
I worked at ARC in the late 80 and early 90's as an engineer. The environmental issues were solvent getting into the grown water. Because energetic material as in rocket fuel was manufactured it was kept in small building spaced a long distance apart to keep neighboring building from going up if there was an accident. There were many small buildings that were far apart so they didn’t put in a sewer system. When you washed your hands the pipe from the sink just ran out onto the ground. Over decades a wide variety of solvents ended up on the ground and into the water table. In the early 90’s they cleaned up the most contaminated soil but you can’t get everything out. There is no extreme danger or extremely poisonous materials mostly just solvents used to clean your hand and metal parts. They are not good to have in your drinking water. The houses that were in the area had wells and this was the problem. The ground water from the ARC plant to the IBM facility was all contaminated. It was not clear who was most at fault. It was common practice at the time to rinse something off and dump the water onto the ground.
The rocket motor that got lose and went across the rode was a different facility in Orange County about a hours drive away. Almost nothing listed here is accruate
The rocket motor that got lose and went across the rode was a different facility in Orange County about a hours drive away. Almost nothing listed here is accruate
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Linda
()
Date: March 14, 2012 11:43PM
I certainly hope that as an engineer you didn't have to write or prepare any proposals Michael. Your spelling, grammar or proof reading is seriously lacking.The only thing that I do agree with you on is that most of these posts are inaccurate. I was employed by Atlantic Research from 1970 to 1990 and they were loyal to their employees. I wish their employees would be the same to them in their demise.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
John H. Gville
()
Date: April 16, 2012 12:56PM
This thread has been greatly informative (link to EPA pdf and history about ARC's background) as well as entertaining. I drive by the site daily and am always wondering what's going on back there. I had theorized that the dilapidated buildings are a cover/misdirection - a means to throw off the public from the really cool stuff that is way back in the woods. (think Area 51 stuff!!) Ha ha.
Needless to say, I'm glad to get a little information about the site. However, I will still say it's a testing ground for alien space craft and technology (my wife and kids think it's funny when I go all conspiracy theory on them.)
Needless to say, I'm glad to get a little information about the site. However, I will still say it's a testing ground for alien space craft and technology (my wife and kids think it's funny when I go all conspiracy theory on them.)
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Peter Lawford
()
Date: April 26, 2012 11:51AM
I worked at ARC in the late 80 and early 90's as an engineer. The environmental issues were solvent getting into the grown water. Because energetic material as in rocket fuel was manufactured it was kept in small building spaced a long distance apart to keep neighboring building from going up if there was an accident. There were many small buildings that were far apart so they didn’t put in a sewer system. When you washed your hands the pipe from the sink just ran out onto the ground. Over decades a wide variety of solvents ended up on the ground and into the water table. In the early 90’s they cleaned up the most contaminated soil but you can’t get everything out. There is no extreme danger or extremely poisonous materials mostly just solvents used to clean your hand and metal parts. They are not good to have in your drinking water. The houses that were in the area had wells and this was the problem. The ground water from the ARC plant to the IBM facility was all contaminated. It was not clear who was most at fault. It was common practice at the time to rinse something off and dump the water onto the ground.
With all due respect, did you drink any of that contaminated water? Your grammar and syntax is seven kinds of messed up...
With all due respect, did you drink any of that contaminated water? Your grammar and syntax is seven kinds of messed up...
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
NoYouDidn't
()
Date: April 26, 2012 02:13PM
What is "grown water"? Did you mean "GROUND water"? Somehow, I doubt you were any sort of an engineer and if you were, I can see why this place sucked at what they did.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
entogeek
()
Date: May 09, 2012 07:53PM
Good stuff...thanks for all those posting the truth. It is a fascinating story and I would have loved to see this facility in its prime...space age tech surrounded by rolling country and woods.
Patriot06 Wrote:
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> I ended up reading a little more online about ARC.
> Apparently they sued to be able to access public
> funds to cover the cleanup costs and the case went
> all the way to the supreme court...and they won.
>
> also, don't know if anyone else has noticed but it
> appears they have done some very recent soil
> sampling on the site within sight of the fenceline
> on Wellington Road. I saw some new plastic tarping
> in several locations with freshly dug dirt on top.
> Not really sure why I care about this but it just
> all seems a little freaky. I keep waiting to see
> some Godzilla looking deer come crashing out of
> that dump from all the toxic crap in the soil.
Patriot06 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I ended up reading a little more online about ARC.
> Apparently they sued to be able to access public
> funds to cover the cleanup costs and the case went
> all the way to the supreme court...and they won.
>
> also, don't know if anyone else has noticed but it
> appears they have done some very recent soil
> sampling on the site within sight of the fenceline
> on Wellington Road. I saw some new plastic tarping
> in several locations with freshly dug dirt on top.
> Not really sure why I care about this but it just
> all seems a little freaky. I keep waiting to see
> some Godzilla looking deer come crashing out of
> that dump from all the toxic crap in the soil.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Mike L Love
()
Date: May 20, 2012 11:33PM
I also worked at ARC in the late 80's to early 90's in rocket test specifically, starting at Edsall Rd's facility as a coop student then transfering to Wellington Rd's facilities later remaining until the big RIF under Clinton about '93 I think...
I had limited contact with Bernie, but knew Joe C, Steve Tony G.and the others well, a GREAT place to work, it's still one of my favorite jobs ever after all these years. I guess people find it easier to believe the worst about the place,
I'm sure it had/has pollution issues which will be addressed at a monetarily suitable time. Nothing even remotely suspicious went on, everything was done by the rules as they existed at that time, so any pollution issues are of the government's own creation.
I know we kept special sealed disposal containers for rag's, containers and such used with solvents etc so as to be mindful of the pollution problems and ensure of safe disposal.
The tiny deer there are the result of terible inbreeding and a limited food supply for that herd, I saw larger bucks jump the 10 foot barbed wire fences occasionally to go in and out, but the little shetland pony sized ones were trapped like their prdecessors... at least until the fences come down when it gets re-developed for a Manassas mega mall or home complex.
I had limited contact with Bernie, but knew Joe C, Steve Tony G.and the others well, a GREAT place to work, it's still one of my favorite jobs ever after all these years. I guess people find it easier to believe the worst about the place,
I'm sure it had/has pollution issues which will be addressed at a monetarily suitable time. Nothing even remotely suspicious went on, everything was done by the rules as they existed at that time, so any pollution issues are of the government's own creation.
I know we kept special sealed disposal containers for rag's, containers and such used with solvents etc so as to be mindful of the pollution problems and ensure of safe disposal.
The tiny deer there are the result of terible inbreeding and a limited food supply for that herd, I saw larger bucks jump the 10 foot barbed wire fences occasionally to go in and out, but the little shetland pony sized ones were trapped like their prdecessors... at least until the fences come down when it gets re-developed for a Manassas mega mall or home complex.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Driver
()
Date: July 04, 2012 08:52AM
I drove by the facility this morning after dropping a friend off in the area. I've always wondered what went on here and then searched and found this informative site. Being a holiday I had nothing else to do so I drove around there a bit. I noticed along Wellington Rd the fence has recently been fixed and repaired. New sections have been “stitched” into the old fence.
They also appear to be doing some work in the area. There is a rented water truck, bobcat and a company pickup truck. The company truck is from the SHAW Corporation. These can be seen as you drive past Jiffy Lube behind the buildings that are close to the road. There also seems to be a few new shipping containers there that I don’t recall seeing in the past.
They also appear to be doing some work in the area. There is a rented water truck, bobcat and a company pickup truck. The company truck is from the SHAW Corporation. These can be seen as you drive past Jiffy Lube behind the buildings that are close to the road. There also seems to be a few new shipping containers there that I don’t recall seeing in the past.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
JohnL
()
Date: July 09, 2012 04:13PM
Patriot06 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I ended up reading a little more online about ARC.
> Apparently they sued to be able to access public
> funds to cover the cleanup costs and the case went
> all the way to the supreme court...and they won.
>
> also, don't know if anyone else has noticed but it
> appears they have done some very recent soil
> sampling on the site within sight of the fenceline
> on Wellington Road. I saw some new plastic tarping
> in several locations with freshly dug dirt on top.
> Not really sure why I care about this but it just
> all seems a little freaky. I keep waiting to see
> some Godzilla looking deer come crashing out of
> that dump from all the toxic crap in the soil.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I ended up reading a little more online about ARC.
> Apparently they sued to be able to access public
> funds to cover the cleanup costs and the case went
> all the way to the supreme court...and they won.
>
> also, don't know if anyone else has noticed but it
> appears they have done some very recent soil
> sampling on the site within sight of the fenceline
> on Wellington Road. I saw some new plastic tarping
> in several locations with freshly dug dirt on top.
> Not really sure why I care about this but it just
> all seems a little freaky. I keep waiting to see
> some Godzilla looking deer come crashing out of
> that dump from all the toxic crap in the soil.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
John L
()
Date: July 09, 2012 04:32PM
Worked Ironically at an Environmental company down the Road Balls Ford. We were monitored very carefully. Yet we never worked on that site. I saw the Zombie Deer at night. MEKs and Transformer Oils are extremely dangerous to Children and Immune Systems. It will cost billions to contain the damage. Don't let them fool you. Their Families will not be living there. This damage is cumulative in its effect. They need to do testing on all former site Personnel. The longer the exposure the more likely this stuff is in their bodies. Think about the work boots you brought home and left at the door. I worked in Confined Space and Remediation. This is no joke. Please protect our Children from the Cold War acceptable loss mentality. It can be contained and kept safe. Lets do this for our future. We owe it to the People who worked all those years for us.
TRe: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
CIA
()
Date: August 04, 2012 11:34PM
This is an old CIA facility
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Leslie K.
()
Date: August 19, 2012 10:09PM
My dad worked his entire career (1965-2000) at ARC. They blew up a lot of stuff testing rockets in Gainsville, Manassas and the Outer Banks of NC. I always thought he was a beltway bandit/warmonger/defense contractor, but my sister contends that it was a front for the CIA. Who knows. I just asked him if they made flying saucers (after references to The Disclosure Project), he said no.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
iismatthew
()
Date: October 21, 2012 02:58AM
I did security here last year for a short amount of time, here is an inside look.
http://imgur.com/a/vuxfh
http://imgur.com/a/vuxfh
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
BEH
()
Date: October 21, 2012 11:01AM
Some of those pictures portray a post apocalyptic look.
All thats missing are some zombie mutants.
All thats missing are some zombie mutants.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
EC
()
Date: October 22, 2012 08:44AM
Thanks for the pictures. You have a good eye.
My mom worked there when I was little. I remember going with our family there for deer hunting and cutting trees for firewood.
I also remember the awesome family picnic/barbecues the company put on once a year.
My mom worked there when I was little. I remember going with our family there for deer hunting and cutting trees for firewood.
I also remember the awesome family picnic/barbecues the company put on once a year.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
T. Joz
()
Date: October 26, 2012 12:15PM
I too worked at the Wellington location for ARC as a test engineer in the early 90's along side M. Love (above) and with T. Gatto (my supervisor), S. Severn, J. Copeland, T. Lane and several other engineers and technicians. Let me assure that everything done there was completely on the up and up and to the regulations at the time. As for a company, ARC was an excellant employer to work for with many benefits both professional and personal. Yes most of the buildings looked dated but they were adequate at the time. The air breathing test stand mentioned above for ram/scram jet testing was very cutting edge and many brilliant engineers were associated with it design and use. I have nothing but good memories from my years at ARC and gained valuable experiance during my time there. Oh, yes the dear were like pets. Never saw any state records there but they were cool to have around in your work area.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Anita Bennett
()
Date: December 26, 2012 01:49PM
I use to work for Atlantic Research Corporation in the Marketing Dept.
The co pany merged with another company back in 1997, like ARC it was a rocket fuel/missile company. Since then that company has also fallen to bad times. They were one of the greatest compans to work for. Jim Sides, the President of ARC at the time along with countless employees whom treated everyone as if they were on the same level as they were (managemently speaking). My boss, Ernie Flemig (GOD rest his soul) was one of the most wonderful.
However, back to your question. It was my recollection that the site had to sit for some 30 years because of the type facility it was to make sure there were/are no chemical side effects still withstanding. I have however heard that the deer are chemically affected and can no longer leave the facility.
The co pany merged with another company back in 1997, like ARC it was a rocket fuel/missile company. Since then that company has also fallen to bad times. They were one of the greatest compans to work for. Jim Sides, the President of ARC at the time along with countless employees whom treated everyone as if they were on the same level as they were (managemently speaking). My boss, Ernie Flemig (GOD rest his soul) was one of the most wonderful.
However, back to your question. It was my recollection that the site had to sit for some 30 years because of the type facility it was to make sure there were/are no chemical side effects still withstanding. I have however heard that the deer are chemically affected and can no longer leave the facility.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Anita Bennett
()
Date: December 26, 2012 01:59PM
Wow, I love your post. Andyou are soooo correct in your posting. Those were great times, days, and areas. Bless you, you actually brought a tear to my eye.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Linda
()
Date: December 26, 2012 10:56PM
I, too, remember ARC with great respect. I worked at the Edsall Rd. location for twenty years. I remember Coleman Raphael as president and then Jim Sides. Management was wonderful in the fact that they believed in rewarding good work and promoting from within. The picnics were great--both At Gainesville and the later location in Maryland. Christmas parties were a blast. Especially the boiler room party at Edsall road. I am so glad to read some positive posts about a great company.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
BERNARD SILVER
()
Date: January 23, 2013 05:13PM
BERNARD SILVER Wrote:
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> I worked in the facility, developing the process
> for extruding solid propellent.
>
> Most of the buildings were deliberately designed
> to be very fragile in order to not "contain" any
> incidents such as fires or explosives.
>
> Management was very heavy in SAFETY of personnel
> and maintaining a clean environment.
>
> I ate some bluegills cought from the pond.
>
> Yes, we did have considerable amounts of "scrap
> solid propellent" and this was disposed of by
> periodically burning it in a pit under very
> closely controlled conditions. There was never any
> risk to causing a forest fire or damaging the
> environment of animals.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I worked in the facility, developing the process
> for extruding solid propellent.
>
> Most of the buildings were deliberately designed
> to be very fragile in order to not "contain" any
> incidents such as fires or explosives.
>
> Management was very heavy in SAFETY of personnel
> and maintaining a clean environment.
>
> I ate some bluegills cought from the pond.
>
> Yes, we did have considerable amounts of "scrap
> solid propellent" and this was disposed of by
> periodically burning it in a pit under very
> closely controlled conditions. There was never any
> risk to causing a forest fire or damaging the
> environment of animals.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
BERNARD SILVER
()
Date: January 23, 2013 05:30PM
After my release from US Army in 1953 (Korea) I was very happily and usefully employed ar Atlantic Research Corp for 26 years.
I did quite a lot of development work on solid propellant fuels and improvements to some weapons at the Gainseville facility.
In general, from the President down to the lowest grade employee there was a high degree of concern for SAFETY and the well being of all fellow employees.
We had a level of well trained\educated personnel who continuously checked for SAFETY and careful disposal of unwanted material.
I don't hesitate to state that ARC with all management and fellow employees was a fantastic place to be employed and would be delighted to relive the experience.
Regrettably, I have to report that one of the original members of ARC, Dr. Lester Weil who was my boss for some period and a friend after we were both retired, died around the end of 2012. I believe he was 96 years old.
Dr. Weil was the primary Manager of the Pine Ridge, Gainseville Facility.
I did quite a lot of development work on solid propellant fuels and improvements to some weapons at the Gainseville facility.
In general, from the President down to the lowest grade employee there was a high degree of concern for SAFETY and the well being of all fellow employees.
We had a level of well trained\educated personnel who continuously checked for SAFETY and careful disposal of unwanted material.
I don't hesitate to state that ARC with all management and fellow employees was a fantastic place to be employed and would be delighted to relive the experience.
Regrettably, I have to report that one of the original members of ARC, Dr. Lester Weil who was my boss for some period and a friend after we were both retired, died around the end of 2012. I believe he was 96 years old.
Dr. Weil was the primary Manager of the Pine Ridge, Gainseville Facility.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Blowtorch
()
Date: February 10, 2013 07:27PM
My older brother worked there for a summer in the early 80's I believe. He said some scary shit went on there testing rocket fuels and other such stuff. I actually remember huge clouds of smoke coming out of there some days.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
John H.
()
Date: February 12, 2013 02:59PM
Bernard - thanks for posting that information. It sounds like it was a great place to work, based on your feedback and that of others who worked there.
BERNARD SILVER Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> After my release from US Army in 1953 (Korea) I
> was very happily and usefully employed ar Atlantic
> Research Corp for 26 years.
>
> I did quite a lot of development work on solid
> propellant fuels and improvements to some weapons
> at the Gainseville facility.
>
> In general, from the President down to the lowest
> grade employee there was a high degree of concern
> for SAFETY and the well being of all fellow
> employees.
>
> We had a level of well trained\educated personnel
> who continuously checked for SAFETY and careful
> disposal of unwanted material.
>
> I don't hesitate to state that ARC with all
> management and fellow employees was a fantastic
> place to be employed and would be delighted to
> relive the experience.
>
> Regrettably, I have to report that one of the
> original members of ARC, Dr. Lester Weil who was
> my boss for some period and a friend after we were
> both retired, died around the end of 2012. I
> believe he was 96 years old.
> Dr. Weil was the primary Manager of the Pine
> Ridge, Gainseville Facility.
BERNARD SILVER Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> After my release from US Army in 1953 (Korea) I
> was very happily and usefully employed ar Atlantic
> Research Corp for 26 years.
>
> I did quite a lot of development work on solid
> propellant fuels and improvements to some weapons
> at the Gainseville facility.
>
> In general, from the President down to the lowest
> grade employee there was a high degree of concern
> for SAFETY and the well being of all fellow
> employees.
>
> We had a level of well trained\educated personnel
> who continuously checked for SAFETY and careful
> disposal of unwanted material.
>
> I don't hesitate to state that ARC with all
> management and fellow employees was a fantastic
> place to be employed and would be delighted to
> relive the experience.
>
> Regrettably, I have to report that one of the
> original members of ARC, Dr. Lester Weil who was
> my boss for some period and a friend after we were
> both retired, died around the end of 2012. I
> believe he was 96 years old.
> Dr. Weil was the primary Manager of the Pine
> Ridge, Gainseville Facility.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
William Smith
()
Date: April 25, 2013 04:03PM
I worked at the Edsal Rd. facility for about 6 months around 1986 or 87 as a Plastics Fabricator on the Mk. 30 project. Spent most of the time cleaning cases with MEK out back and in the vapor degreasor, followed by grit blasting and priming the cases in preparation for insulation layup. I can't remember who was running the layup room (this was on 1st shift). From time to time I helped with Stinger (Mk.27) or Tomahawk (Mk. 106).
I have to say that despite my short time with ARC, the people who worked in the shop were great. The company took care of us very well. It was a good place to work. I quit working for ARC for the simple reason that I was bored there. That was just me. I do look back on my youth and that I may have made a mistake leaving ARC.
To those that I knew then (and can't remember due to age and faulty memory), thanks. I pray that all are well.
W. Smith
I have to say that despite my short time with ARC, the people who worked in the shop were great. The company took care of us very well. It was a good place to work. I quit working for ARC for the simple reason that I was bored there. That was just me. I do look back on my youth and that I may have made a mistake leaving ARC.
To those that I knew then (and can't remember due to age and faulty memory), thanks. I pray that all are well.
W. Smith
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Jennifer Barbee
()
Date: May 27, 2013 11:49PM
I was wondering if anyone who worked for ARC knew a Robert Barker, he is my deceased Grandfather whom I'm trying to find more information about. I believe he did some work with electrical engineering at one point. I'm not sure what facility he would have worked at or when but it was one of his last jobs he held and he lived in Manassas, VA. Any info would be appreciated.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
BEH
()
Date: May 28, 2013 08:13AM
BARBEE ","JENNIFER ","L","029"," 3523","NEXUS ","CT","WOODBRIDGE ","VA","03/26/2004","TINTED WINDOWS "
"BARBEE ","JENNIFER ","L","029"," 5746","WILSHIRE ","DR","WARRENTON ","VA","04/07/2004","TINTED WINDOWS "
"BARBEE ","JENNIFER ","M","037"," 6163","EARLY AUTUMN ","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","02/10/2004","EXPIRED STATE LIC PLATE "
"BARBEE ","JENNIFER ","M","037"," 6163","EARLY AUTUMN ","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","04/20/2004","DRIVE-OL RVKD/SUSP "
"BARBEE ","JENNIFER ","M","037"," 6163","EARLY AUTUMN ","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","04/20/2004","FAIL KEEP PROPER CONTROL
"BARBEE ","JENNIFER ","L","029"," 5746","WILSHIRE ","DR","WARRENTON ","VA","04/07/2004","TINTED WINDOWS "
"BARBEE ","JENNIFER ","M","037"," 6163","EARLY AUTUMN ","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","02/10/2004","EXPIRED STATE LIC PLATE "
"BARBEE ","JENNIFER ","M","037"," 6163","EARLY AUTUMN ","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","04/20/2004","DRIVE-OL RVKD/SUSP "
"BARBEE ","JENNIFER ","M","037"," 6163","EARLY AUTUMN ","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","04/20/2004","FAIL KEEP PROPER CONTROL
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
BEH
()
Date: May 28, 2013 12:50PM
BARKER ","ROBERT "," ","027"," 13797","MEADOWBROOK ","RD","DALE CITY ","VA","04/18/2003","P/ID OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
localboob
()
Date: May 29, 2013 12:49PM
you didn't want to look up william smith?
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Jennifer Barbee
()
Date: May 29, 2013 10:05PM
Here's his old business card. He worked at the Alexandria facility. Would anyone know what his job consisted of?
Jennifer Barbee Wrote:
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> I was wondering if anyone who worked for ARC knew
> a Robert Barker, he is my deceased Grandfather
> whom I'm trying to find more information about. I
> believe he did some work with electrical
> engineering at one point. I'm not sure what
> facility he would have worked at or when but it
> was one of his last jobs he held and he lived in
> Manassas, VA. Any info would be appreciated.
Attachments:
Jennifer Barbee Wrote:
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> I was wondering if anyone who worked for ARC knew
> a Robert Barker, he is my deceased Grandfather
> whom I'm trying to find more information about. I
> believe he did some work with electrical
> engineering at one point. I'm not sure what
> facility he would have worked at or when but it
> was one of his last jobs he held and he lived in
> Manassas, VA. Any info would be appreciated.
Attachments:
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Tee
()
Date: June 12, 2013 10:39PM
Too bad they couldn't show us a close -up of the business card.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
bms
()
Date: June 13, 2013 03:22PM
I know first hand , this place produced the solid rocket and missile fuel. It did not assemble any of the weaponry parts of the rockets/missiles. The stands out back are not testing stands , they are propelant curing stations. That place will glow for hundreds of years :~)
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Bruce
()
Date: June 13, 2013 03:25PM
I know first hand , this place produced the solid rocket and missile fuel. It did not assemble any of the weaponry parts of the rockets/missiles. The stands out back are not testing stands , they are propelant curing stations. That place will glow for hundreds of years :~)
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
bms
()
Date: June 13, 2013 03:49PM
Your grandfathers account of the death of his coworker is absolutely correct
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
MilitaryHistorian
()
Date: July 10, 2013 04:09PM
I drive past this place every day, always was curious about it's history, glad I found this forum! Anything worth going there to photograph?
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
W. Melton
()
Date: August 23, 2013 10:07PM
What a great forum! My dad, Eston Melton, worked for ARC at both the Edsall office and out at Pine Ridge from around '62 to '75. I remember many times that Jim Sides, his wife and their children would visit us in North Springfield and my dad has stayed in touch with him over the many years since then.
I really like the posts about the family days out at PR--they were great and I have a lot of fond memories of them.
I had the good fortune to visit ARC in 2002 for a site visit as part of an acquistion course I was taking at DAU. Farid Khadduri and Mark Director are two names I recall from that visit. The entire staff bent over backwards to show us a "day in the life" of a DoD contractor. I recall that due to set-back requirements, out of the 400+ acres the site covered, there was one small area, about 100' square in the middle of the site, where the rocket fuel could be made.
We finished up our visit in a small museum and none other than Jim Sides showed us around and talked about ARC and its proud history. What a gentleman!
I really like the posts about the family days out at PR--they were great and I have a lot of fond memories of them.
I had the good fortune to visit ARC in 2002 for a site visit as part of an acquistion course I was taking at DAU. Farid Khadduri and Mark Director are two names I recall from that visit. The entire staff bent over backwards to show us a "day in the life" of a DoD contractor. I recall that due to set-back requirements, out of the 400+ acres the site covered, there was one small area, about 100' square in the middle of the site, where the rocket fuel could be made.
We finished up our visit in a small museum and none other than Jim Sides showed us around and talked about ARC and its proud history. What a gentleman!
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Floyd
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Date: October 19, 2013 07:55PM
I worked there for 15 years... I undarstand the the property is and has been owned by the Washington post corp. ARC sold it to them and then paid rent around 1989.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Sean
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Date: November 05, 2013 06:42AM
I recently passed by this area and thought this would be the perfect place to host a zombie survival event....and then I read the above threads...need to keep looking around.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Rich C
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Date: January 04, 2014 01:22PM
I worked at ARC from 1984 to 1990 as the Tomahawk program quality engineer – one of the best professional experiences of my career. The company (prior to Sequa takeover in the late 80s) was very employee oriented. We had a great team spirit. Have yet to see that anywhere else.
ARC made solid propellant rocket motors under contract to the US government. It appears from the posts that the place really went downhill after 1990 and détente (the Berlin Wall coming down).
Those who disparage the manufacturing of hazardous materials, rocket motor propellant in this case, should open their laptops and look at the lithium battery inside. Of course that is made in China where workers are expendable. Anyway, those Tomahawk rocket motors launched a lot of cruise missiles over the years. Probably saved a lot of our troops lives.
ARC made solid propellant rocket motors under contract to the US government. It appears from the posts that the place really went downhill after 1990 and détente (the Berlin Wall coming down).
Those who disparage the manufacturing of hazardous materials, rocket motor propellant in this case, should open their laptops and look at the lithium battery inside. Of course that is made in China where workers are expendable. Anyway, those Tomahawk rocket motors launched a lot of cruise missiles over the years. Probably saved a lot of our troops lives.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
tigers1234
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Date: January 15, 2014 08:39PM
The land is valuable, yet useless. There were all sorts of issues with the water, which was tainted severely by the chemical solvents used over the years at Atlantic Research (rocket design and rocket construction). I heard when Nissan opened there were all sorts of problems before they finally cleaned up the water (to Nissan). Also, buildings at Atlantic Research were laden w/asbestos.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
tigers1234
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Date: January 15, 2014 08:39PM
The land is valuable, yet useless. There were all sorts of issues with the water, which was tainted severely by the chemical solvents used over the years at Atlantic Research (rocket design and rocket construction). I heard when Nissan opened there were all sorts of problems before they finally cleaned up the water (to Nissan). Also, buildings at Atlantic Research were laden w/asbestos.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
tigers1234
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Date: January 15, 2014 08:39PM
The land is valuable, yet useless. There were all sorts of issues with the water, which was tainted severely by the chemical solvents used over the years at Atlantic Research (rocket design and rocket construction). I heard when Nissan opened there were all sorts of problems before they finally cleaned up the water (to Nissan). Also, buildings at Atlantic Research were laden w/asbestos.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
tigers1234
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Date: January 15, 2014 08:39PM
The land is valuable, yet useless. There were all sorts of issues with the water, which was tainted severely by the chemical solvents used over the years at Atlantic Research (rocket design and rocket construction). I heard when Nissan opened there were all sorts of problems before they finally cleaned up the water (to Nissan). Also, buildings at Atlantic Research were laden w/asbestos.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
tigers1234
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Date: January 15, 2014 08:39PM
The land is valuable, yet useless. There were all sorts of issues with the water, which was tainted severely by the chemical solvents used over the years at Atlantic Research (rocket design and rocket construction). I heard when Nissan opened there were all sorts of problems before they finally cleaned up the water (to Nissan). Also, buildings at Atlantic Research were laden w/asbestos.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
tigers1234
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Date: January 15, 2014 08:39PM
The land is valuable, yet useless. There were all sorts of issues with the water, which was tainted severely by the chemical solvents used over the years at Atlantic Research (rocket design and rocket construction). I heard when Nissan opened there were all sorts of problems before they finally cleaned up the water (to Nissan). Also, buildings at Atlantic Research were laden w/asbestos.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
tigers1234
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Date: January 15, 2014 08:39PM
The land is valuable, yet useless. There were all sorts of issues with the water, which was tainted severely by the chemical solvents used over the years at Atlantic Research (rocket design and rocket construction). I heard when Nissan opened there were all sorts of problems before they finally cleaned up the water (to Nissan). Also, buildings at Atlantic Research were laden w/asbestos.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
tee27273
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Date: January 20, 2014 01:00PM
tigers 1234--You do tend to repeat yourself!!
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Abatement
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Date: January 22, 2014 06:52PM
tigers1234 Wrote:
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> The land is valuable, yet useless. There were all
> sorts of issues with the water, which was tainted
> severely by the chemical solvents used over the
> years at Atlantic Research (rocket design and
> rocket construction). I heard when Nissan opened
> there were all sorts of problems before they
> finally cleaned up the water (to Nissan). Also,
> buildings at Atlantic Research were laden
> w/asbestos.
Most of the asbestos was removed in 1999 or 2000.
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> The land is valuable, yet useless. There were all
> sorts of issues with the water, which was tainted
> severely by the chemical solvents used over the
> years at Atlantic Research (rocket design and
> rocket construction). I heard when Nissan opened
> there were all sorts of problems before they
> finally cleaned up the water (to Nissan). Also,
> buildings at Atlantic Research were laden
> w/asbestos.
Most of the asbestos was removed in 1999 or 2000.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Brandon Ratliff
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Date: March 05, 2014 01:13PM
Does anybody know who I can contact about the old international dump truck in the woods next to the atlantic research building on wellington road?
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Mezbel7
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Date: March 16, 2014 04:54PM
This was interesting. The EPA's 1990 National Enforcement Investigation Center's multi-media compliance investigation into the Atlantic Research Corporation...
http://nepis.epa.gov/Exe/ZyNET.exe
http://nepis.epa.gov/Exe/ZyNET.exe
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Hudson Valley Girl
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Date: March 30, 2014 08:29PM
To read more about the corrective action that the EPA has taken to clean up the area please visit this link: http://www.epa.gov/reg3wcmd/ca/va/webpages/vad023741705.html
There is a lot of good info on this page but it's not clear if and when this land could be developed. Honestly, would you buy a house on this property knowing that the ground water and soil was contaminated? I don't care how much you clean up, some of the contaminate will always remain no matter how "safe" the levels are under the EPA's standards.
There is a lot of good info on this page but it's not clear if and when this land could be developed. Honestly, would you buy a house on this property knowing that the ground water and soil was contaminated? I don't care how much you clean up, some of the contaminate will always remain no matter how "safe" the levels are under the EPA's standards.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Douglas Swims
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Date: July 05, 2014 03:57PM
I was the Assistant HR Mgr. For ARC in the early 1990's. ARC made many Defense products including the first stage lift motor for the TOMAHAWK (cruise) missile and many others, including development of carbon fiber composites.
Due to Defense cutbacks, it ceased operation, but I don't. Know when
Due to Defense cutbacks, it ceased operation, but I don't. Know when
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
lordnikon
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Date: September 18, 2014 11:57PM
How is that possible. Where are the manufacturing facilities for constructing a space craft.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Quality Control
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Date: September 21, 2014 07:50AM
I worked in the QC section during the mid 80's. Tested various measurements on propelant, motor tubes and squibs. The place made launch and flight motors for various missles projects, no final assemble of missles or warheads at this location.
I wore a white lab coat, steel toe shoes and stood on anti static mats or was connected to a grounding strap. I always packed my lunch and ate at the Pizza Hut building.
The use of M.E.K. And lack of ventilation of it made me sick, workers would throw the unused portions of it on the ground out side the back doors rather than take it back to the chem room. Lazy fucks poisoned the water and wildlife.
Poor ventilation were missle tubes were painted with by vinyl zinc chromate.
I wore a white lab coat, steel toe shoes and stood on anti static mats or was connected to a grounding strap. I always packed my lunch and ate at the Pizza Hut building.
The use of M.E.K. And lack of ventilation of it made me sick, workers would throw the unused portions of it on the ground out side the back doors rather than take it back to the chem room. Lazy fucks poisoned the water and wildlife.
Poor ventilation were missle tubes were painted with by vinyl zinc chromate.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
urban
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Date: March 28, 2015 02:48PM
Does anyone know if the buildings have been demolished yet. Is there still security present on the facility?
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
lkdsajfd
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Date: March 31, 2015 03:28PM
Most of the buildings are still up and yes there is security on-site. Seems to be one guy in a pickup truck. Not sure if it's 24/7 or not but saw lots of tracks in the snow last month.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Ann
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Date: May 28, 2015 09:31PM
I have recently seen vehicles with cables (resembling jumper cables) coming from the engine compartments connected to something in the ground. I've also seen an individual in a white full cover jump-suit being lowered into a whole on the outskirts of the fence line. I also saw a snapping turtle the size of a fitness stability ball walking along the blacktop/driveway next to the Wellington fence line a few weeks ago.
If nothing is going on, why is it so secret?
If nothing is going on, why is it so secret?
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
B.mylius
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Date: June 03, 2015 10:11AM
Been working here all week doing sewer rehabilitation.. Amazing
Facility great for a episode of walking dead or a round of paint ball.... But I've seen deer and other animals all look well no deformations... But I really want to explore the bunkers and underground tunnel we found
Facility great for a episode of walking dead or a round of paint ball.... But I've seen deer and other animals all look well no deformations... But I really want to explore the bunkers and underground tunnel we found
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
B.mylius
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Date: June 03, 2015 10:16AM
The white suites are tyveks because we are re lining sewer manholes with epoxy to protect concrete from h2s we will be shutting a lane down to do a hole on the outside of fence next week.. This place is huge over 400 acres the guard is very docile n layed back told me alot of stories of all the missles they manufactured its pretty damn amazing
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Ray
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Date: June 07, 2015 02:00PM
Worked at facility from 1985 thru 1990. In the last 10 years have been diagnosed with 3 types of cancer. Just curious if any other former employees have experienced similar. Had physical week ago and was discussing situation with doctor. When I told him I had worked at ARC, his response was, who knows what you were exposed to there!
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
mirvin
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Date: August 08, 2015 09:14PM
Underground Bunkers and Tunnels? Worked there in the early 80's. First with the Air Conditioner guys in Maintenance, then moved into Engineering as a drafter. Had full access to the facility when working in Maintenance. Never heard of or saw underground tunnels or bunkers.
B.mylius Wrote:
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> Been working here all week doing sewer
> rehabilitation.. Amazing
> Facility great for a episode of walking dead or a
> round of paint ball.... But I've seen deer and
> other animals all look well no deformations... But
> I really want to explore the bunkers and
> underground tunnel we found
B.mylius Wrote:
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> Been working here all week doing sewer
> rehabilitation.. Amazing
> Facility great for a episode of walking dead or a
> round of paint ball.... But I've seen deer and
> other animals all look well no deformations... But
> I really want to explore the bunkers and
> underground tunnel we found
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
SarahB
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Date: August 21, 2015 12:40AM
Ray,
I've always wondered about that. My mom worked at Aerojet/ARC for 27 years. She died of cancer in her 40s. My family and I have always wondered what the cancer incident rate is among current and former employees. My mom would frequently mention her co-workers that had cancer and it seemed fairly high.
But to everyone else's comments,
As of 2010, most testing had moved to the facility in Orange. There are two main buildings, one inside the fencing and one outside, that were still occupied with workers. When I drive by, I still see several cars in the parking lot so some sort of admin type work is going on. But I remember many Saturdays spent with my mom at work and walking around the complex. Back in the 80s and 90s that place was so busy and I could only imagine what was going on. When they did testing, she would never allow my brother or myself to come to work with her on those days, even though she was in one of the office buildings. My dad used to be one of the hunters allowed in every so often to control the deer population. He's been all over that place.
I've always wondered about that. My mom worked at Aerojet/ARC for 27 years. She died of cancer in her 40s. My family and I have always wondered what the cancer incident rate is among current and former employees. My mom would frequently mention her co-workers that had cancer and it seemed fairly high.
But to everyone else's comments,
As of 2010, most testing had moved to the facility in Orange. There are two main buildings, one inside the fencing and one outside, that were still occupied with workers. When I drive by, I still see several cars in the parking lot so some sort of admin type work is going on. But I remember many Saturdays spent with my mom at work and walking around the complex. Back in the 80s and 90s that place was so busy and I could only imagine what was going on. When they did testing, she would never allow my brother or myself to come to work with her on those days, even though she was in one of the office buildings. My dad used to be one of the hunters allowed in every so often to control the deer population. He's been all over that place.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
porky aka d edmonds
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Date: August 25, 2015 11:04PM
I too work for ARC FROM late 70's to early 80's, the man your grandfather mention that died there his name was Roger PINE, AN Live in the town call Toms Brook just down the road from me.The building Roger was killed in,I also worked in and did the same job he did too,as far as the accident that killed him,he was tighten a nut down on a threaded rod on a butterfly valve,which blew off an striking him in the head.
I would like to know who was your grandfather that worked there.As for all the people wondering about ARC,it was the cutting edge to technology to all ARM FORCES
on rocket industry,we made any an everything under the sun for the Government an NASA,ARC was 20 yrs ahead in all technology department.The land is most likely
contaminated from solvents dump on the grounds back in the days
I would like to know who was your grandfather that worked there.As for all the people wondering about ARC,it was the cutting edge to technology to all ARM FORCES
on rocket industry,we made any an everything under the sun for the Government an NASA,ARC was 20 yrs ahead in all technology department.The land is most likely
contaminated from solvents dump on the grounds back in the days
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
One-eyedJack
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Date: August 26, 2015 01:31PM
I remember all of the hot women that worked there when I did. Back in the 70's and even into the 80's that place was great for my after work fun time. I am old and crusty now! Also, besides the women, it was probably the best place that I've ever worked. Everyone had honor and dignity. We ALL worked together. It was and still is a very respected company for those of us that know the truth and actually worked there. Some of the stories on here are absurd!
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Tee
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Date: September 24, 2015 11:25PM
I worked for ARC from 1970 to 1990. It was a great place to work. I am a woman with a college degree and I was promoted from within over the years from technician to Program Manager of 3 contracts. No one will ever make me say a bad word about ARC. I wish more companies could have learned from them. When our stock went public and we were taken over by Sequa was the downfall of a great company. Coleman Raphael was president for many of the years that I worked for them. Then Jim Sides took over. I wish people would stop bashing ARC. People who don't have any idea about Pine Ridge make it look like aliens worked there. By the way--I worked at the Edsall Rd facility --but had ties to Pine Ridge.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Leah
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Date: April 07, 2016 03:57PM
I worked at the Edsall Road facility for 2 years 1985-1987 and it was such a wonderful environment. Miss those days.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
The Kid
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Date: April 15, 2016 05:35PM
This was a great place to work. Back in '78 I was working in Grain Finishing, on the STANDARD surface to air missiles for the Navy. This was the solid rocket propellant grain that would be turned on a lathe to fit into the case. It was in building 79.
We also did some casting of VIPER anti-tank motors there. This is one of the buildings with heavy blast proof walls and air powered steel blast doors on the inside, but blowout walls and panels on the outside. The buildings were mostly surrounded by dirt hills in case one building blew up it wouldn't directly knock down it's neighbors.
I then was promoted to Mixing and Casting, where we made solid rocket propellent for STINGER, GSRS which is now called MLRS, a motor called BEECH which I think was for flying targets to be shot down by other systems in R & D. We made TOMAHAWK cruise missile boosters. We made the gas generator for the TRIDENT Submarine Launched Ballistic Missile warhead bus. We made the VIPER anti-tank motor which ended up being too loud to fire in real world applications but over-performed in all other ways except loudness.
There were some small out-of-the-atmosphere attitude correction motors for classified. And they messed around with small shots of fuel-air mixes for classified.
I was then promoted to rocket-test and fired many TOMAHAWKS, GSRS, STINGER, and TRIDENT motors. We would dispose of defective motors in a tunnel under a hill so no frag could cause injuries. This same hill was used to deflect rocket exhaust from test shots up into the air and to block potential frag in case of failures.
Overall a professional place with great crews. I think at the time this was a fantastic place for a young man to work. The wage and price freeze under President Carter and the forays into the Trident system that could end up carrying nuclear warheads made me decide to leave and go back to school.
I miss the crowd and the work there sometimes to this day.
We also did some casting of VIPER anti-tank motors there. This is one of the buildings with heavy blast proof walls and air powered steel blast doors on the inside, but blowout walls and panels on the outside. The buildings were mostly surrounded by dirt hills in case one building blew up it wouldn't directly knock down it's neighbors.
I then was promoted to Mixing and Casting, where we made solid rocket propellent for STINGER, GSRS which is now called MLRS, a motor called BEECH which I think was for flying targets to be shot down by other systems in R & D. We made TOMAHAWK cruise missile boosters. We made the gas generator for the TRIDENT Submarine Launched Ballistic Missile warhead bus. We made the VIPER anti-tank motor which ended up being too loud to fire in real world applications but over-performed in all other ways except loudness.
There were some small out-of-the-atmosphere attitude correction motors for classified. And they messed around with small shots of fuel-air mixes for classified.
I was then promoted to rocket-test and fired many TOMAHAWKS, GSRS, STINGER, and TRIDENT motors. We would dispose of defective motors in a tunnel under a hill so no frag could cause injuries. This same hill was used to deflect rocket exhaust from test shots up into the air and to block potential frag in case of failures.
Overall a professional place with great crews. I think at the time this was a fantastic place for a young man to work. The wage and price freeze under President Carter and the forays into the Trident system that could end up carrying nuclear warheads made me decide to leave and go back to school.
I miss the crowd and the work there sometimes to this day.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
The Kid
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Date: April 15, 2016 05:50PM
Building 79 is picture in the center here : https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wellington+Rd,+Gainesville,+VA+20155/@38.7921822,-77.5781948,300m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89b65da52184b647:0xa1591a94864955b7
Propellents were most often mixed here : https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wellington+Rd,+Gainesville,+VA+20155/@38.7931513,-77.5785725,151m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89b65da52184b647:0xa1591a94864955b7
Test firing of the non-air breating motors was done here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wellington+Rd,+Gainesville,+VA+20155/@38.7915396,-77.5873801,141m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89b65da52184b647:0xa1591a94864955b7
The fantastic control room crew was in this building - Hi Jim, Hi Gene, Hi Sue ! https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wellington+Rd,+Gainesville,+VA+20155/@38.7907294,-77.5861396,141m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89b65da52184b647:0xa1591a94864955b7
The above was also where our 2 PDP-11 computers were ( "Donnie" and "Marie" )
Propellents were most often mixed here : https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wellington+Rd,+Gainesville,+VA+20155/@38.7931513,-77.5785725,151m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89b65da52184b647:0xa1591a94864955b7
Test firing of the non-air breating motors was done here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wellington+Rd,+Gainesville,+VA+20155/@38.7915396,-77.5873801,141m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89b65da52184b647:0xa1591a94864955b7
The fantastic control room crew was in this building - Hi Jim, Hi Gene, Hi Sue ! https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wellington+Rd,+Gainesville,+VA+20155/@38.7907294,-77.5861396,141m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89b65da52184b647:0xa1591a94864955b7
The above was also where our 2 PDP-11 computers were ( "Donnie" and "Marie" )
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
The Kid
()
Date: April 16, 2016 03:08PM
That was a long time ago.
Steve Martin was the top comedian,
Apocalypse Now was in Theaters.
Steve Martin was the top comedian,
Apocalypse Now was in Theaters.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
The Kid
()
Date: April 17, 2016 03:16PM
This is the assemby building where everything was put together and crated for shipment after tesing for QC. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wellington+Rd,+Gainesville,+VA+20155/@38.7883859,-77.5798726,150m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89b65da52184b647:0xa1591a94864955b7
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Rocko
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Date: April 30, 2016 06:50AM
Cool stories from those who worked there. Sounds like one of those small-to-midsize companies whose employees loved working there, respected each other, and served an important mission. It appears to be a bit of a ghost-town these days though. Why not redevelop the property? Are there soil contamination issues? Anyone know (i.e., not speculate, but actually know something)?
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
random
()
Date: May 01, 2016 02:06PM
Any industrial property being redeveloped in the US probably has some soil issues.
If the EPA has tested it, sounds like it has, that information than can be found or requested.
If the EPA has tested it, sounds like it has, that information than can be found or requested.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Liam
()
Date: May 03, 2016 02:47PM
Bump. Curious about the status of this property! Any new information?
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
The Kid
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Date: May 13, 2016 02:17PM
As far as I know, it is vacant of tenants now and awaiting development of some type, someday
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Last I heard
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Date: May 13, 2016 02:32PM
Last I heard the area is still very much contaminated which is why you see the testing going on occasionally off Wellington.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Joke Insurance
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Date: August 23, 2016 07:48PM
Last I heard Wrote:
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> Last I heard the area is still very much
> contaminated which is why you see the testing
> going on occasionally off Wellington.
I imagine that there is backlog with the EPA in order to get that site cleaned up?
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> Last I heard the area is still very much
> contaminated which is why you see the testing
> going on occasionally off Wellington.
I imagine that there is backlog with the EPA in order to get that site cleaned up?
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
LabRat
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Date: September 01, 2016 07:58PM
The incident where a test rocket got loose and flew close to a school bus happened at their test facility in Orange, Virginia. I worked down in the R&D Chemical labs in the late 70's and can tell you there was a lot of strange stuff pored or leaked into the soil. When they fired up the waist pit it used to explode ever once in a while. In early 80's it was so loud it shattered the front window of the McDonald s in Manassas.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
The Kid
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Date: September 08, 2016 04:25PM
As far as I know small amounts, as in small trays or buckets of "used" liquids would occasionally be thrown out on the ground instead of disposed of in drums. That would be solvents that were used to clean components and residues on mixing and casting equipment. They would include Alcohol, MEK - Methyl ethyl ketone, perchloroethylene, and Tetrahydrofuran.
While they may have evaporated into the air on warm days, the residue left would likely contain Ammonium perchlorate, aluminum powder, Dioctyl adipate, and Isophorone diisocyanate. It may be possible that beryllium powders could be near or inside the 2 above ground Steel submarine looking structures that were emptied of air to near vacuum levels and used to test fire propellants that were to be used in space.
No way to know how much without testing, which others have said was carried out.
While they may have evaporated into the air on warm days, the residue left would likely contain Ammonium perchlorate, aluminum powder, Dioctyl adipate, and Isophorone diisocyanate. It may be possible that beryllium powders could be near or inside the 2 above ground Steel submarine looking structures that were emptied of air to near vacuum levels and used to test fire propellants that were to be used in space.
No way to know how much without testing, which others have said was carried out.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Unknown location
Posted by:
Jon Elson
()
Date: December 15, 2016 11:07PM
In the summer of 1969, I worked for Gautney and Jones Communications, in space sub-leased from Atlantic Research Corporation. It was in Virginia,
generally around the Tyson's Corners/Falls Church area, but I don't remember more specifically than that.
We had one wing of the building, the rest was kept by ARC. I thought the whole rest of the ARC building was vacant, but then I did see a VERY few people working there on rare occasions. The ARC part of the building was single floor, and had what seemed to be a mile long hallway that ended at a door to our section. There was a "garage" at this point, and a caged area filled with large machine tools and some Vietnam war era detritus, such as those rocket launchers they mounted on helicopters.
I seem to recall this was a sort of outpost, and there were a bunch of larger ARC buildings on the other side of the road. There didn't seem to be any security at this location, we could have just walked right into the ARC section from our part through an open door.
So, can anybody recognize this location from my really awful description? I'm just sort of wondering where this was.
Thanks,
Jon
generally around the Tyson's Corners/Falls Church area, but I don't remember more specifically than that.
We had one wing of the building, the rest was kept by ARC. I thought the whole rest of the ARC building was vacant, but then I did see a VERY few people working there on rare occasions. The ARC part of the building was single floor, and had what seemed to be a mile long hallway that ended at a door to our section. There was a "garage" at this point, and a caged area filled with large machine tools and some Vietnam war era detritus, such as those rocket launchers they mounted on helicopters.
I seem to recall this was a sort of outpost, and there were a bunch of larger ARC buildings on the other side of the road. There didn't seem to be any security at this location, we could have just walked right into the ARC section from our part through an open door.
So, can anybody recognize this location from my really awful description? I'm just sort of wondering where this was.
Thanks,
Jon
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Unknown location
Posted by:
Porky
()
Date: December 30, 2016 11:12AM
Who is the kid on theses postings
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Jon Elson
()
Date: December 31, 2016 12:03AM
I came into
possession of a bunch of parts many years ago, and have been
wondering ever since what they were part of. The whole
assembly was known as the XM-12 canister assembly. (Might possibly have been XM-11, it has been a while since I was able to find one of the reject labels with the main system designation.) I have a
number of different parts that seem to all connect together,
so I gather they are all part of the same unit. It was at
Atlantic Research in Virginia, who made a lot of Vietnam
war-era munitions.
Anyway, there was a level sensor with a float, magnets and a
reed switch. I've used a number of these in various
projects. There was a pressure gauge marked (from low to
high) as "destroy" "operable"; "inoperative". There was a key switch with one of the Ace tubular keys, labeled "arm"
and "safe". And, there was a diabolical little unit called
the opener fuze assembly. It had a PC board with a few
transistors and passives on it, sealed in a metal can, and
two microswitches and a Molex-style connector, and a coax
cable with slip-fit connector. I figured out the circuit,
and what it did is when power was interrupted, after about 9
seconds it would deliver a pulse out the coax cable,
presumably to make something go "boom". The opener part
seems to refer to a booby-trap if you opened it up with the
wrong timing, it would blow up in your face. Seemed like an
awful lot of trouble to go to.
So, all these years, I've been wondering what this XM-12
canister actually did. I'm thinking it might have some
relation to early cluster bomb technology.
The opener fuze assembly bears a label for "plastic canister assy", but I'm pretty sure it was part of the rest of this system.
Anybody know what this was part of?
Thanks,
Jon
possession of a bunch of parts many years ago, and have been
wondering ever since what they were part of. The whole
assembly was known as the XM-12 canister assembly. (Might possibly have been XM-11, it has been a while since I was able to find one of the reject labels with the main system designation.) I have a
number of different parts that seem to all connect together,
so I gather they are all part of the same unit. It was at
Atlantic Research in Virginia, who made a lot of Vietnam
war-era munitions.
Anyway, there was a level sensor with a float, magnets and a
reed switch. I've used a number of these in various
projects. There was a pressure gauge marked (from low to
high) as "destroy" "operable"; "inoperative". There was a key switch with one of the Ace tubular keys, labeled "arm"
and "safe". And, there was a diabolical little unit called
the opener fuze assembly. It had a PC board with a few
transistors and passives on it, sealed in a metal can, and
two microswitches and a Molex-style connector, and a coax
cable with slip-fit connector. I figured out the circuit,
and what it did is when power was interrupted, after about 9
seconds it would deliver a pulse out the coax cable,
presumably to make something go "boom". The opener part
seems to refer to a booby-trap if you opened it up with the
wrong timing, it would blow up in your face. Seemed like an
awful lot of trouble to go to.
So, all these years, I've been wondering what this XM-12
canister actually did. I'm thinking it might have some
relation to early cluster bomb technology.
The opener fuze assembly bears a label for "plastic canister assy", but I'm pretty sure it was part of the rest of this system.
Anybody know what this was part of?
Thanks,
Jon
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
A current employee
()
Date: March 27, 2017 02:36PM
I was hired by ARC in Alexandria in the mid-80's and am still working for Aerojet-Rocketdyne. ARC was a good company whose management really cared about their employees. Nice to see some of the names mentioned from the Test Department, although many have now retired. Great group of people from engineering to program management to maintenance, manufacturing, HR and health services.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Mother Earth
()
Date: March 27, 2017 04:10PM
A current employee Wrote:
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>ARC was a good company whose management really cared
> about their employees.
Too bad they didn't give a shit about the environment.
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>ARC was a good company whose management really cared
> about their employees.
Too bad they didn't give a shit about the environment.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
A current employee
()
Date: March 29, 2017 09:06AM
You have no idea what you're talking about. There were programs that created environmental issues that were unknown at the time. Do your research on the Supreme Court ruling.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Mother Earth
()
Date: April 04, 2017 12:41PM
A current employee Wrote:
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> You have no idea what you're talking about. There
> were programs that created environmental issues
> that were unknown at the time. Do your research
> on the Supreme Court ruling.
So all these rocket scientist were in fact just fucking retarded?
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> You have no idea what you're talking about. There
> were programs that created environmental issues
> that were unknown at the time. Do your research
> on the Supreme Court ruling.
So all these rocket scientist were in fact just fucking retarded?
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Spooky Bob
()
Date: May 31, 2017 08:25PM
Hello all,
I'm big into urbexing, and this seems like a prime place for it. It's also about five minutes from my house.
I don't generally enjoy getting arrested, so is there any info on current owners of the property so I could potentially gain permission to enter?
Also, in the event of a "no," is security still tight?
As for ticks, deer, etc, I've dealt with collapsing ceilings and squatters up at Forest Haven Asylum and excessive amounts of asbestos, plus overzealous security, at Glen Dale Asylum. I've seen worse.
I'm big into urbexing, and this seems like a prime place for it. It's also about five minutes from my house.
I don't generally enjoy getting arrested, so is there any info on current owners of the property so I could potentially gain permission to enter?
Also, in the event of a "no," is security still tight?
As for ticks, deer, etc, I've dealt with collapsing ceilings and squatters up at Forest Haven Asylum and excessive amounts of asbestos, plus overzealous security, at Glen Dale Asylum. I've seen worse.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
The Kid
()
Date: June 17, 2017 05:23PM
"The Kid" worked there 78-80 or 79-81? started in Grain Finishing building #73,
promoted to mixing and casting, ended in rocket test.
Worked on Stinger, Stinger kick motors, Viper, Beech?, GSRS which is called MLRS now, Tomahawk cruise missle boosters, Trident slbm gas generators, ASAT R & D control motors, air breathing solid fuel motors project. Temperature cycled rockets -65 - +165.
promoted to mixing and casting, ended in rocket test.
Worked on Stinger, Stinger kick motors, Viper, Beech?, GSRS which is called MLRS now, Tomahawk cruise missle boosters, Trident slbm gas generators, ASAT R & D control motors, air breathing solid fuel motors project. Temperature cycled rockets -65 - +165.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
The Kid
()
Date: June 17, 2017 05:29PM
The people working there in rocket test, mixing and casting, and grain finishing were a good bunch. The people in assembly and the front admin building were a good bunch as well.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Tee0
()
Date: July 14, 2017 02:28PM
I was an ARC employee for 20 years at their Edsall Rd facility. ARC was a wonderful company to work for. I worked in a microchemical lab as Program Manager. I am a woman. It's a shame people today don't know such a company to work for. They promoted from within (especially women) and provided very decent benefit options that the millenials know nothing about. So, my question to you is---Why don't you bash your own companies instead of one YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT???
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Suck the cock do you?
()
Date: July 25, 2017 01:10PM
Tee0 Wrote:
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> I was an ARC employee for 20 years at their Edsall
> Rd facility. ARC was a wonderful company to work
> for. I worked in a microchemical lab as Program
> Manager. I am a woman. It's a shame people today
> don't know such a company to work for. They
> promoted from within (especially women) and
> provided very decent benefit options that the
> millenials know nothing about. So, my question to
> you is---Why don't you bash your own companies
> instead of one YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT???
How many cocks did you suck for those promotions?
-------------------------------------------------------
> I was an ARC employee for 20 years at their Edsall
> Rd facility. ARC was a wonderful company to work
> for. I worked in a microchemical lab as Program
> Manager. I am a woman. It's a shame people today
> don't know such a company to work for. They
> promoted from within (especially women) and
> provided very decent benefit options that the
> millenials know nothing about. So, my question to
> you is---Why don't you bash your own companies
> instead of one YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT???
How many cocks did you suck for those promotions?
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
PKVR
()
Date: August 15, 2017 01:43PM
https://www.epa.gov/hwcorrectiveaction/hazardous-waste-cleanup-atlantic-research-corporation-gainesville-va
Still being cleaned up..
Still being cleaned up..
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
DEC
()
Date: October 16, 2017 09:05AM
I worked at ARC from 1979 to 1981. the facility produced solid motor rockets for the DOD as well as Gas Generated booster motors.
Viper, Stinger, Tomahawk, MLRS,
Some of the rocket motors produced were Viper launch whish was a shoulder launched anti-tank weapon as well as the Stinger rocket whish consisted of 2 motors a small booster and the main motor, typical of what you would have seen in the war in Afghanistan on the Russians.
the C4 gas booster motors were used to eject missiles from subs to simply launch the missile from underwater where a typical motor .
The facility also produced the launch tomahawk booster system which was used in the cruise missile program and ten MLRS Multi-Lunch - rocket - systems
If you ever see a ground based launch of a 12 pack of rocket, this was originally GSRS that because MLRS and I assume has now been replaced by another generation of rockets.
As far as the facility, it is indeed a dirty mess.
we had a photo x-ray facility, that in the early days silver and other metals were used in the development process that use to dump the dirty water into collection ponds, the collection ponds would be drained at times to recover the silver.
Shaving of propellant would be gathered in large collection bins and eventually dumped into a big deep burn pit. when it was clouding damp and misty rain they would light the burn pit.
if you look closely at the one building you can see close to the areojet facility on the side of the facility towards devlin road notice the thin greenish walls... these are blow out evacuation walls in case of fire or explosion. the facility is scatter with these types of buildings.
also numerous buried bunker storage facilities.
The facility use to come with its own fire department and safety medical crew
looking back a very dangerous place but as 18 year old they paid good with lots of OT. that's kind of what jobs use to be in the day before data centers.
Viper, Stinger, Tomahawk, MLRS,
Some of the rocket motors produced were Viper launch whish was a shoulder launched anti-tank weapon as well as the Stinger rocket whish consisted of 2 motors a small booster and the main motor, typical of what you would have seen in the war in Afghanistan on the Russians.
the C4 gas booster motors were used to eject missiles from subs to simply launch the missile from underwater where a typical motor .
The facility also produced the launch tomahawk booster system which was used in the cruise missile program and ten MLRS Multi-Lunch - rocket - systems
If you ever see a ground based launch of a 12 pack of rocket, this was originally GSRS that because MLRS and I assume has now been replaced by another generation of rockets.
As far as the facility, it is indeed a dirty mess.
we had a photo x-ray facility, that in the early days silver and other metals were used in the development process that use to dump the dirty water into collection ponds, the collection ponds would be drained at times to recover the silver.
Shaving of propellant would be gathered in large collection bins and eventually dumped into a big deep burn pit. when it was clouding damp and misty rain they would light the burn pit.
if you look closely at the one building you can see close to the areojet facility on the side of the facility towards devlin road notice the thin greenish walls... these are blow out evacuation walls in case of fire or explosion. the facility is scatter with these types of buildings.
also numerous buried bunker storage facilities.
The facility use to come with its own fire department and safety medical crew
looking back a very dangerous place but as 18 year old they paid good with lots of OT. that's kind of what jobs use to be in the day before data centers.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Rambolio
()
Date: October 21, 2017 04:16PM
I've driven by that place a hundred times and wondered about it. I asked a couple of the older guys at work about what happened. They told me that a rocket test or something broke loose from its brackets or something and killed a bunch of people including the owner/head guy there. The constants in all these stories is the rocket fuel testing, an explosion and that some people died during the explosion. I was told the explosion was in the early 80's, but I can't find any news articles about it or anything.
Patriot06 Wrote:
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> I ended up reading a little more online about ARC.
> Apparently they sued to be able to access public
> funds to cover the cleanup costs and the case went
> all the way to the supreme court...and they won.
>
> also, don't know if anyone else has noticed but it
> appears they have done some very recent soil
> sampling on the site within sight of the fenceline
> on Wellington Road. I saw some new plastic tarping
> in several locations with freshly dug dirt on top.
> Not really sure why I care about this but it just
> all seems a little freaky. I keep waiting to see
> some Godzilla looking deer come crashing out of
> that dump from all the toxic crap in the soil.
Patriot06 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I ended up reading a little more online about ARC.
> Apparently they sued to be able to access public
> funds to cover the cleanup costs and the case went
> all the way to the supreme court...and they won.
>
> also, don't know if anyone else has noticed but it
> appears they have done some very recent soil
> sampling on the site within sight of the fenceline
> on Wellington Road. I saw some new plastic tarping
> in several locations with freshly dug dirt on top.
> Not really sure why I care about this but it just
> all seems a little freaky. I keep waiting to see
> some Godzilla looking deer come crashing out of
> that dump from all the toxic crap in the soil.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
A current employee
()
Date: January 09, 2018 11:41AM
The info about a rocket breaking loose from a bracket is fictional. There were two separate deaths over the years, one due to a confined space accident and another from a fire.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
smith adams
()
Date: January 13, 2018 05:46AM
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Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
SadNostalgia
()
Date: February 03, 2018 12:19PM
If anyone still follows this thread, the ARC facility on Wellington Rd. in Gainesville has begun to be torn down. Starting about a week ago there's been heavy construction machinery and a steady stream of dump trucks hauling out debris. They haven't touched the buildings nearest the "main gate" (nearest Jiffy Lube concert venue), but some of the more dilapidated buildings further down Wellington have been pulled down. Also it appears they're starting to move towards the center of the facility. A bit sad as I never got a chance to explore there, would've loved to take pictures. :'(
I assume they're going to put more McMansions or strip malls, or other shit we don't need in the area. :(
I assume they're going to put more McMansions or strip malls, or other shit we don't need in the area. :(
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
ARC Fucked up the area for good.
()
Date: February 05, 2018 02:53PM
SadNostalgia Wrote:
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>
> I assume they're going to put more McMansions or
> strip malls, or other shit we don't need in the
> area. :(
I don't know about that. That ground is so heavily tainted from all the illegal dumping ARC did that I don't see anything outside of heavy industrial being zoned for that area.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> I assume they're going to put more McMansions or
> strip malls, or other shit we don't need in the
> area. :(
I don't know about that. That ground is so heavily tainted from all the illegal dumping ARC did that I don't see anything outside of heavy industrial being zoned for that area.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Think again
()
Date: February 05, 2018 10:26PM
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Not far off
()
Date: February 06, 2018 09:28AM
Ah so some data centers and "Suburban Residential-High Density" also known as low rent apartments.
Certainly won't be an McMansions, that's for sure.
Certainly won't be an McMansions, that's for sure.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
nakedd truth
()
Date: July 06, 2018 11:18PM
i worked there as a summer time temp employee scored really high on their iq entry exam. we did a lot of top secret production on rocket and missile motors plus solid rocket fuels.i was in building 175 special projects.It was a hay day of guided missile development programs. The plant had a enormous party when the first tomahawk rolled out.Everyone knew not to drink from the water fountain and use the water cooler. that was back in early 1980's. I was having sex with my girlfriend that lived at the corner of devlin road and wellington road when two cure stands exsploded in a buried hardened bunker. The exsplosion shook the entire gable end of my girlfriends house for about ten seconds. i hope uncle sam dosent charge me for violation of the espionage act for posting this. It was a very dangerous place to work. but the pay was great the benefits were awesome the overtime was unlimited. And if you ever got injured you got to go see nurse nancy right on property site. What a blonde bombshell she was.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
nakedd truth
()
Date: July 06, 2018 11:26PM
Xm 12 was a short range icbm fired from subs
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Nakedd Truth
()
Date: July 06, 2018 11:31PM
I pity any dummy running heavy equipment at the pine ridge plant. especially when they get to the area where the hot trash pit was located
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Nakedd truth
()
Date: July 06, 2018 11:37PM
Mike the Kid i remember you, you used to date that hot red headed girl that was married that worked with you at building 60.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
thebraveness
()
Date: August 06, 2018 12:42PM
How many of your friends that worked their have died of cancer????
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Pete
()
Date: October 10, 2018 09:29AM
Hi Everyone,
I just came accross this forum while searching the history of the Atlantic research Corporation and wondered if anyone can help me? I trying to find out who I can contact regarding a Navy contract ARC were awarded in early 1968. The contract was given to Atlantic Research Corporation in Costa Mesa CA and was for a total of 10 shallow water boats called MSSC's used in Vietnam. I'm a model builder and am just about to start building a 1/6 scale model of this rare and little know craft. I would ideally like to find some original design drawings for this craft but any info would be great. so as I mentioned if anyone can point me in the right direction for somene to speak to about this it would be much appreciated.
Cheers.
Pete.
Attachments:
I just came accross this forum while searching the history of the Atlantic research Corporation and wondered if anyone can help me? I trying to find out who I can contact regarding a Navy contract ARC were awarded in early 1968. The contract was given to Atlantic Research Corporation in Costa Mesa CA and was for a total of 10 shallow water boats called MSSC's used in Vietnam. I'm a model builder and am just about to start building a 1/6 scale model of this rare and little know craft. I would ideally like to find some original design drawings for this craft but any info would be great. so as I mentioned if anyone can point me in the right direction for somene to speak to about this it would be much appreciated.
Cheers.
Pete.
Attachments:
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Pete
()
Date: October 10, 2018 09:46AM
Oh and I found some photos of the ARC site onlne if anyone is interested
https://imgur.com/a/vuxfh
Pete.
https://imgur.com/a/vuxfh
Pete.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Would-love-to-explore-here
()
Date: January 28, 2019 01:29PM
A couple interesting threads:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AbandonedPorn/comments/24560b/720x528_atlantic_research_corporation_testing/
https://www.epa.gov/hwcorrectiveaction/hazardous-waste-cleanup-atlantic-research-corporation-gainesville-va
https://www.reddit.com/r/AbandonedPorn/comments/24560b/720x528_atlantic_research_corporation_testing/
https://www.epa.gov/hwcorrectiveaction/hazardous-waste-cleanup-atlantic-research-corporation-gainesville-va
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - EdsallRoad
Posted by:
Braider
()
Date: October 10, 2019 12:37AM
I worked in the lab in the Edsall Road location as a Senior Braider during the mid to late 80's. I wonder about the long-term health effects from exposure to materials at this facility. Reading posts about land and water contamination is quite frightening, to say the least.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - EdsallRoad
Posted by:
Braider
()
Date: October 10, 2019 12:39AM
I worked in the lab at the Edsall Road location.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - EdsallRoad
Posted by:
Braider
()
Date: October 10, 2019 12:53AM
I am sure I know you Leah
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Braider
()
Date: October 10, 2019 12:55AM
Rich C Wrote:
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> I worked at ARC from 1984 to 1990 as the Tomahawk
> program quality engineer – one of the best
> professional experiences of my career. The
> company (prior to Sequa takeover in the late 80s)
> was very employee oriented. We had a great team
> spirit. Have yet to see that anywhere else.
>
> ARC made solid propellant rocket motors under
> contract to the US government. It appears from
> the posts that the place really went downhill
> after 1990 and détente (the Berlin Wall coming
> down).
>
> Those who disparage the manufacturing of hazardous
> materials, rocket motor propellant in this case,
> should open their laptops and look at the lithium
> battery inside. Of course that is made in China
> where workers are expendable. Anyway, those
> Tomahawk rocket motors launched a lot of cruise
> missiles over the years. Probably saved a lot of
> our troops lives.
I Believe I know you Rich
-------------------------------------------------------
> I worked at ARC from 1984 to 1990 as the Tomahawk
> program quality engineer – one of the best
> professional experiences of my career. The
> company (prior to Sequa takeover in the late 80s)
> was very employee oriented. We had a great team
> spirit. Have yet to see that anywhere else.
>
> ARC made solid propellant rocket motors under
> contract to the US government. It appears from
> the posts that the place really went downhill
> after 1990 and détente (the Berlin Wall coming
> down).
>
> Those who disparage the manufacturing of hazardous
> materials, rocket motor propellant in this case,
> should open their laptops and look at the lithium
> battery inside. Of course that is made in China
> where workers are expendable. Anyway, those
> Tomahawk rocket motors launched a lot of cruise
> missiles over the years. Probably saved a lot of
> our troops lives.
I Believe I know you Rich
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Tee
()
Date: December 02, 2019 03:48AM
Rich is right. ARC was a great place to work. They promoted within. But once the stock went public and Sequa took over ARC was doomed.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
John Gilstrap
()
Date: February 19, 2020 01:04PM
I was the head of the Safety Department at ARC in the '80s, and it was the best job I ever had. Those were great years to be in the defense industry. Over the course of just a few years, the plant workforce grew from something like 700 employees to nearly 2,500. I've never seen a management team as committed to worker safety as the one led by Jim Sides, Paul Lumbye and the rest. Sadly, there were two fatalities on my watch--one involving an employee and another involving a contractor--but as horrifying as their deaths were, we took the lessons learned to heart.
Among my responsibilities was to oversee the burn pits. Back then (and maybe now, though I don't pay attention to those regulations anymore), energetic materials were prohibited hazardous wastes. The only legal way to dispose of them was to burn them. We waited for rainy days to keep the fire danger down, so during a dry summer, those pits could fill with thousands of pounds of energetic materials. After one particularly exciting burn, we changed the policy to do them weekly instead of waiting for the weather.
A lot of posts here concern the environmental issues at the Pine Ridge Plant. That was not my area of responsibility, but I attended many of those meetings. What I saw was a commitment from the very top of the company to handle hazardous materials and hazardous wastes exclusively by the book. From what I understand, the issues that ARC/Aerojet (or whoever owns them now) face today can be traced back to the era before 1976 and the promulgation of RCRA--the first big environmental protection law. Prior to that, there were no national standards for disposing of hazardous wastes, so for at least 15 years, waste chemicals were legally poured out onto the ground.
As a young safety engineer, there was no better training ground. I left in 1988 when it became clear the energetic operations would be moving to Camden, Arkansas. I spent enough time there as it was. There was no way I was going to live there.
Among my responsibilities was to oversee the burn pits. Back then (and maybe now, though I don't pay attention to those regulations anymore), energetic materials were prohibited hazardous wastes. The only legal way to dispose of them was to burn them. We waited for rainy days to keep the fire danger down, so during a dry summer, those pits could fill with thousands of pounds of energetic materials. After one particularly exciting burn, we changed the policy to do them weekly instead of waiting for the weather.
A lot of posts here concern the environmental issues at the Pine Ridge Plant. That was not my area of responsibility, but I attended many of those meetings. What I saw was a commitment from the very top of the company to handle hazardous materials and hazardous wastes exclusively by the book. From what I understand, the issues that ARC/Aerojet (or whoever owns them now) face today can be traced back to the era before 1976 and the promulgation of RCRA--the first big environmental protection law. Prior to that, there were no national standards for disposing of hazardous wastes, so for at least 15 years, waste chemicals were legally poured out onto the ground.
As a young safety engineer, there was no better training ground. I left in 1988 when it became clear the energetic operations would be moving to Camden, Arkansas. I spent enough time there as it was. There was no way I was going to live there.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Explorer1976
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Date: April 07, 2020 01:36PM
It is with sadness that I report to this thread that the remainder of the old ARC site on Wellington Rd is being torn down. They've cleared most of the land and are in the process of asbestos remediation so they can knock down the buildings. I drove by there so many times, had always wished they'd left the gate open so I could drive through there or do a little urban exploration. Fairfax is so heavy-handed on that though, guess now I will never get the chance.
Anyone happen to have YouTube video of the insides of the place? Would love to see it.
Anyone happen to have YouTube video of the insides of the place? Would love to see it.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
S.T.
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Date: April 21, 2020 05:10PM
I don't know if many people are following this thread, but I just found it today and thought I'd add my reminiscences of ARC. My dad, Bill T. worked at the Edsel Rd. location from 1964 - 1988. He was the financial comptroller. They had a big retirement party for him which was typical of the warmth and appreciation among employees there. I worked at ARC during 2 summers while in high school. I worked in the publications department assisting the photographers and in the printshop. Of course I had no clearance to see anything to do with missile development, but I do know that the company also researched and developed electronic systems for civilian uses...like electronic transmission of medical data for doctors and hospitals.
Reading this thread I can understand the criticisms of a company that generated highly toxic contamination of soil and ground water over decades. Yes, I suppose the laws of the time may have been adhered to, but it is difficult to trust that defense since we have much history of corporations manufacturing everything from rocket fuel to fossil fuels to cigarettes that have known the destructive potential and kept it secret.
In those years before I left home I was a very left-wing, anti-war hippie. My dad and I were locked in a painful opposition politically and culturally. In his later years he came to have a more balanced view of things, as did I. It's still disturbing though to think of ARC contributing to weapons of such destruction, especially if it included cluster bombs. Someone wrote how important this was during Vietnam and the Cold War in protecting our troops. I get that, it's just sad. Just like permanent contamination of the land is very sad.
My dad was a very kind and friendly gentleman. He grew up in the Dust Bowl, served during WWII and then worked hard to support his family. ARC provided employees with a stock option and it is those funds that I eventually inherited and which support me now as a retiree...a certain irony in that. I know dad treasured his time at ARC and if anyone remembers him from there, he would have been sure to remember you, too.
Reading this thread I can understand the criticisms of a company that generated highly toxic contamination of soil and ground water over decades. Yes, I suppose the laws of the time may have been adhered to, but it is difficult to trust that defense since we have much history of corporations manufacturing everything from rocket fuel to fossil fuels to cigarettes that have known the destructive potential and kept it secret.
In those years before I left home I was a very left-wing, anti-war hippie. My dad and I were locked in a painful opposition politically and culturally. In his later years he came to have a more balanced view of things, as did I. It's still disturbing though to think of ARC contributing to weapons of such destruction, especially if it included cluster bombs. Someone wrote how important this was during Vietnam and the Cold War in protecting our troops. I get that, it's just sad. Just like permanent contamination of the land is very sad.
My dad was a very kind and friendly gentleman. He grew up in the Dust Bowl, served during WWII and then worked hard to support his family. ARC provided employees with a stock option and it is those funds that I eventually inherited and which support me now as a retiree...a certain irony in that. I know dad treasured his time at ARC and if anyone remembers him from there, he would have been sure to remember you, too.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Explorer1976
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Date: April 29, 2020 03:21PM
Drove by the old ARC site again last night. Some buildings are still standing but most of the trees have been cleared around them. Won't be long now. Interestingly they were burning something near the back of the facility. Thick cloud of white smoke was coming up around 8pm on 4/28/2020. Wonder if they found something they couldn't otherwise dispose of?
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Nova1969native
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Date: June 04, 2020 05:03AM
I worked there during that time frame. Originally in a small mixing building in the back, think maybe building 68 or 69 on day shift. Was put on night shift to work on retrofitting stinger rockets that I believe we returned from Turkey. I believe that was building 29 it was one of the bigger buildings and I remember across the parking lot was another building where work on tomahawks were done.
I don't remember my supervisors last name but Melvin was his first name and he had blazing red hair lol. There were two QC guys , an older short man that always wore a military lid and a younger dark haired man, they were both very nice. I think I worked there for 2-3 years. I very much enjoyed working at ARC it was a great company to work for.
I don't remember my supervisors last name but Melvin was his first name and he had blazing red hair lol. There were two QC guys , an older short man that always wore a military lid and a younger dark haired man, they were both very nice. I think I worked there for 2-3 years. I very much enjoyed working at ARC it was a great company to work for.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
What's The Plan?
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Date: November 28, 2020 11:11PM
The land is being cleared. What's the plan for it's future?
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
PIP
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Date: April 07, 2021 11:48AM
Mom worked at Wellington Road site for 5 years before retirement in 1987. She divorced our dad before then and he took a management job at Centerville Aamco car shop. Mom often talked about great staff parties before her passing and may have hooked up with some coworkers. Anyone have information on those ARC company get togethers?
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Bumpity Bump
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Date: May 14, 2021 09:10PM
hoo hoo - ha ha
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
PastRes
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Date: June 09, 2021 12:20PM
Grew up nearby and left this area in 1995. Has the land been cleaned and made
available for residential development?
Creepy place for a long time with high security at the entrance.
available for residential development?
Creepy place for a long time with high security at the entrance.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Manasty
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Date: July 17, 2021 06:59PM
What's The Plan? Wrote:
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> The land is being cleared. What's the plan for
> it's future?
Townhouses. Apartments. Used car lots. Strip Malls. Datacenters.
The usual shit that gets built in PWC.
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> The land is being cleared. What's the plan for
> it's future?
Townhouses. Apartments. Used car lots. Strip Malls. Datacenters.
The usual shit that gets built in PWC.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
teleefoto
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Date: July 29, 2021 12:33PM
Large lot smelled like diesel fuel for many years when driving by on Wellington around yr 2000.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Tee
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Date: May 07, 2022 10:19AM
What has the great board of supervisors decided to do with this land parcel?
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
pwc economic development
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Date: May 08, 2022 05:34PM
Tee Wrote:
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> What has the great board of supervisors decided to
> do with this land parcel?
A mixed-use development consisting of:
1)Data centers
2)Apartments
3)Used-car lots
4)Title loan/payday loan place
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> What has the great board of supervisors decided to
> do with this land parcel?
A mixed-use development consisting of:
1)Data centers
2)Apartments
3)Used-car lots
4)Title loan/payday loan place
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Bob bitchin
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Date: May 11, 2022 06:25AM
pwc economic development Wrote:
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> Tee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What has the great board of supervisors decided
> to
> > do with this land parcel?
>
>
> A mixed-use development consisting of:
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> 1)Data centers
> 2)Apartments
> 3)Used-car lots
> 4)Title loan/payday loan place
You forgot vape shops and used tire lots
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> Tee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What has the great board of supervisors decided
> to
> > do with this land parcel?
>
>
> A mixed-use development consisting of:
>
> 1)Data centers
> 2)Apartments
> 3)Used-car lots
> 4)Title loan/payday loan place
You forgot vape shops and used tire lots
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Tee
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Date: May 14, 2022 01:57PM
There are going to be homes sitting on that toxic soil?????
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
The Kid
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Date: May 29, 2022 06:13PM
Trying to remember which building was 60 ... Rocket Test?
Did NOT date married woman there
Did NOT date married woman there
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Missed Information
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Date: October 17, 2022 02:53PM
I wonder if the workers building on those lots right now know of the shit that is in the soil.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Tee
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Date: November 05, 2022 08:18AM
Are they building homes or shopping centers? No homes should be built on or around the old Pine Ridge property. The developers could test the soil 20 feet down and it is contaminated!!
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Jon Elson
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Date: July 18, 2023 07:11PM
nakedd truth Wrote:
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> Xm 12 was a short range icbm fired from subs
Hmm, doesn't match with the bits I have. There was a cast ring that a bunch of parts seemed to fit well to, and it was only about 7" in diameter. I'm a little fuzzy on the designation, it might have been XM-11. IC means inter-continental. That kind of conflicts with short range.
Thanks,
Jon
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> Xm 12 was a short range icbm fired from subs
Hmm, doesn't match with the bits I have. There was a cast ring that a bunch of parts seemed to fit well to, and it was only about 7" in diameter. I'm a little fuzzy on the designation, it might have been XM-11. IC means inter-continental. That kind of conflicts with short range.
Thanks,
Jon
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Kurt Laughlin
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Date: October 17, 2023 10:19PM
I worked there (tooling engineer) from 1986 to 1989 before I left for graduate school. Two or three months after I left the Berlin Wall fell and I remember thinking I got out while the getting good.
ARC was a nice place to work and in hindsight after working elsewhere the people were good decent folks. The variety of things I worked on and the flexibility I had to do the job were really exceptional for an engineering job and provided a good basis for the rest of my career. (I'm retired now.)
The "XM-11" gizmo sounds like a SAFE-ARM or S&A device for a rocket or missile. The Army was the primary user of the XM or M model designators, with the Air Force a very distant second. The Navy, of course, could never use anything the Army used and had their own designation system, "Mark" or Mk. XM-11 means it is the eXperimental or prototype and test version of the Model 11 gizmo. That designation almost certainly applies just to the gizmo you have, not to the overall rocket, warhead, or missile it was attached to, so finding out what is was used on would take a good bit of research.
ARC was a nice place to work and in hindsight after working elsewhere the people were good decent folks. The variety of things I worked on and the flexibility I had to do the job were really exceptional for an engineering job and provided a good basis for the rest of my career. (I'm retired now.)
The "XM-11" gizmo sounds like a SAFE-ARM or S&A device for a rocket or missile. The Army was the primary user of the XM or M model designators, with the Air Force a very distant second. The Navy, of course, could never use anything the Army used and had their own designation system, "Mark" or Mk. XM-11 means it is the eXperimental or prototype and test version of the Model 11 gizmo. That designation almost certainly applies just to the gizmo you have, not to the overall rocket, warhead, or missile it was attached to, so finding out what is was used on would take a good bit of research.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Karl Marshall
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Date: November 26, 2023 07:42PM
My dad worked at ARC in the 60s James Mcbryde Marshall he passed away from cerises of the liver in 1973 at the age of 40 is there any information you can give me in regards to the contamination at that plant in the 60s I remember he said they made rocket fuel for test rockets thank you; Karl Marshall
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
TeeTay
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Date: February 24, 2024 08:28PM
Karl Marshall Wrote:
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> My dad worked at ARC in the 60s James Mcbryde
> Marshall he passed away from cerises of the liver
> in 1973 at the age of 40 is there any information
> you can give me in regards to the contamination at
> that plant in the 60s I remember he said they made
> rocket fuel for test rockets thank you; Karl
> Marshall
Does anyone remember Joe Copeland at Pine Ridge? Super nice guy--he and his wife raised Belgian Shepherds to show and sell. My roommate got one for free because of an undescended testicle. Ouch.
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> My dad worked at ARC in the 60s James Mcbryde
> Marshall he passed away from cerises of the liver
> in 1973 at the age of 40 is there any information
> you can give me in regards to the contamination at
> that plant in the 60s I remember he said they made
> rocket fuel for test rockets thank you; Karl
> Marshall
Does anyone remember Joe Copeland at Pine Ridge? Super nice guy--he and his wife raised Belgian Shepherds to show and sell. My roommate got one for free because of an undescended testicle. Ouch.
Re: Atlantic Research Corp - Wellington Rd
Posted by:
Kayitko
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Date: February 26, 2024 06:35AM
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