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Why Grace Episcopal and the Diocese Cannot Win in Court
Posted by: Eric.Bonetti ()
Date: February 17, 2020 12:59PM

As Grace’s discernment committee begins the long, arduous road towards finding a successor to Bob Malm, the unpleasant reality of the mess Bob left behind looms. That includes the various lawsuits now under way against the parish, the diocese, and members of Bob’s family, which were precipitated by Bob Malm’s conduct as rector.

It’s also true that neither the parish, nor the diocese, can win in court.

What do I mean by that? Couldn’t they find some way to get the current cases dismissed?

The answer is simple. All litigation involves hazards and risks. So yes, the church and the diocese could conceivably obtain favorable results in court. But that doesn’t mean they actually win.

As with many conflicts, the current conflict is one that involves myriad issues. Many are not amenable to resolution in court. These include:

The church’s reputation.
Interpersonal dynamics within the parish.
The church’s role in the community.

As things stand, the worst thing that could happen to the church would be to prevail in court. Doing so would further reinforce the current conflict, while providing additional grounds for concern among outsiders who are looking at the church.

Moreover, a victory would help those with their heads in the sand assure themselves that, in fact, Bob Malm could not have committed perjury and otherwise been abusive. I mean, he’s such a good guy. He’s caring. His sermons are great. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded, maybe dangerous. These are the logical fallacies that the Kemp Williams, Jean Reeds, Easter Thompsons, Susan Goffs and others in the church and diocese deploy to avoid dealing with the inconvenient truth, which is that Bob Malm is a bully, a perjurer, and someone who thinks it’s okay to try to drag a dying woman into court. One has only to read Sugarland Chiow’s courtroom rhetoric and fabrications to realize just how toxic this paradigm has become.

Nor is the diocese any better.

From that corner, we get the laughably appalling notion that clergy misconduct is only actionable if it it illegal. That conclusion enjoys the full support of Bishop Susan Goff, the Rev. Melissa Hollerith (who, amusingly, teaches ethics at St. Albans, and whose husband Randy is dean of the National Cathedral), and undoubtedly that of J.P. Causey, the diocesan chancellor. The latter is noteworthy, as his capacity for bad legal advice appears to know no bounds. For example, in the Title IV case at St. Thomas’ in McLean, Causey would seem to be the knucklehead who suggested to the Virginia bishops that they ignore the requirement of Title IV to provide a pastoral response to the congregation, but instead to keep the matter at arm’s length for fear of liability. The result was lasting damage and hard feelings within the parish. Nothing like protecting the organization at the expense of the people who make it up, huh?

And the cluelessness continues. The Rev. Sven vanBaars, the knucklehead intake officer who thinks that clergy misconduct is only actionable if it results in criminal prosecution, has been elected as a delegate to general convention (GC). I guess that’s good—he can hang with fellow delegate JP Causey at the upcoming GC in Baltimore and commiserate about the protesters outside.

The bottom line is this: Until Grace Episcopal learns to be a church, versus a religious club, and worships God, versus Bob Malm, it will decline.

Yes, Bob’s carefully crafted communications have all the right church-speak and Jesus-babble, developed through observation, mimicry and repetition, but they are empty, hollow. Similarly, the church building is full of bright shiny things, carefully polished, but they mean nothing.

Same for the friendly, welcoming congregation. Yes, people are cordial, but criticize Bob Malm and see just how long that welcome lasts. Just check out the comments from the parishioner urging me to commit suicide if you want proof.

Same for the church’s other promises. For example, giving is supposed to be confidential, but Lisa Medley has no problem posting details of your giving on social media, even though, true to form, she gets the specifics wrong. Would you really want her potentially posting details of your bequest to the church on social media? The Legacy Society (of which I was a member) promises confidentiality, but if the church cannot protect your information while you are alive, why would you think it will do so when you are dead?

Of course, it is true that parishioners have done an admirable job of stepping up giving, even as number of pledging units collapses and attendance drops to record lows.

But the reality is that this is a church that is still trying to defend Bob Malm’s perjury, his efforts to drag a dying woman into court, and his various courtroom fabrications. Indeed, one has only to look at Malm’s emails to diocesan officials, replete with calling me “sick,” “twisted,” and “dysfunctional,” to know just how toxic the parish has become. And in honor of Bob’s efforts, the church has named the “new” narthex after him!

Nor is time on the church’s side. With vast swaths of the church membership well into retirement, the next 10 years will result in major demographic shifts. And yes, bequests to the parish may buy time, but even if parish investments were adequate to fully carry the church’s operations, the church is nothing without people in it. (Covering just current operating and maintenance costs for the building would require an endowment of $3.75 million, for the record.)

Neither is the church’s role in the community likely to pull in members. With well under 3 percent of total revenue going to local outreach and the diocesan pledge seriously underfunded, the place is hardly a center for outreach, and it sure as hell isn’t doing any healing.

Going forward, the church’s only real hope is to clean up its act. When people see that Grace Church really is what it claims to be, a center for outreach and healing, then it can begin to rebuild. But as long as it clings to the notion that Bob Malm could not, would not be a bully and a perjurer, it is in dire trouble. Nor is it going to thrive when people in the church think it’s okay to call others “domestic terrorists,” to urge others to commit suicide, and for Alison Campbell, the altar guild, and the choir to play their childish games.

So yes, the church could win in court. But it can’t and won’t shut down the ability to people to criticize its actions, to discuss them in public, and to warn people about the dirty underbelly of life at Grace Episcopal. As the saying goes, the court of public opinion is open 24/7, 365 days a year, and there is irrefutable evidence that Grace is a toxic church where it’s lay for the rector to lie in court, and where this dynamic carries through into the daily life of the church.

And the truth will out, meaning that sooner or later, even the most diehard loyalists will find out that the parish is nothing but a pretty and whimsical illusion. And like the mirage of an oasis in a desert, getting tangled up with Grace Church may be a positive experience, even for a few years. But in the end, the painful reality sets in, which is that the church is anything but a safe refuge from the hot and barren desert.
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Re: Why Grace Episcopal and the Diocese Cannot Win in Court
Posted by: The Truth Hurts ()
Date: February 17, 2020 01:14PM

So, when the church inevitably wins the lawsuit then it's actually a victory for you???

No, you're not batshit crazy at all.

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Re: Why Grace Episcopal and the Diocese Cannot Win in Court
Posted by: Sad waste of time ()
Date: February 17, 2020 06:09PM

Sad...

This guy Bonetti spent years telling us he was fighting for the truth, and for justice for his mom. He presented them as a team.

She died recently (RIP), and he wasn’t even mentioned in the obituary. Her step-grandkids were, but he wasn’t.

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Re: Why Grace Episcopal and the Diocese Cannot Win in Court
Posted by: Shh hv xxx ()
Date: February 17, 2020 08:30PM

He chose not to be included in the obit.

Sad waste of time Wrote:
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> Sad...
>
> This guy Bonetti spent years telling us he was
> fighting for the truth, and for justice for his
> mom. He presented them as a team.
>
> She died recently (RIP), and he wasn’t even
> mentioned in the obituary. Her step-grandkids
> were, but he wasn’t.

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Re: Why Grace Episcopal and the Diocese Cannot Win in Court
Posted by: IHVHV ()
Date: February 18, 2020 12:12AM

Despite the remaining members stepping up giving, Grace Church is imploding finanancilly.
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Re: Why Grace Episcopal and the Diocese Cannot Win in Court
Posted by: Don’t think so ()
Date: February 18, 2020 03:53AM

Shh hv xxx Wrote:
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> He chose not to be included in the obit.
>
> Sad waste of time Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sad...
> >
> > This guy Bonetti spent years telling us he was
> > fighting for the truth, and for justice for his
> > mom. He presented them as a team.
> >
> > She died recently (RIP), and he wasn’t even
> > mentioned in the obituary. Her step-grandkids
> > were, but he wasn’t.

I highly doubt that. He’s been using her as a tool for years, plastering her photo all over the internet.

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Re: Why Grace Episcopal and the Diocese Cannot Win in Court
Posted by: LMAO..... ()
Date: February 19, 2020 11:44AM

So, while you’re speculating, how much longer do you think Grace church has? I’m betting less than 5 years. Just a couple more big givers gone and the place is toast.

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Re: Why Grace Episcopal and the Diocese Cannot Win in Court
Posted by: Sad case ()
Date: February 19, 2020 12:19PM

All the above posts are from the same IP address: 197.125.23.49

Making up fake arguments again...

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Re: Why Grace Episcopal and the Diocese Cannot Win in Court
Posted by: So how much longer? ()
Date: February 19, 2020 01:10PM

Five years?

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Re: Why Grace Episcopal and the Diocese Cannot Win in Court
Posted by: You do know.... ()
Date: February 19, 2020 01:12PM

You do know that IP address is in Egypt, right moron?

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Re: Why Grace Episcopal and the Diocese Cannot Win in Court
Posted by: Hdhdhrhr ()
Date: February 19, 2020 02:26PM

You do know.... Wrote:
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> You do know that IP address is in Egypt, right
> moron?


VPN, faggot.

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Re: Why Grace Episcopal and the Diocese Cannot Win in Court
Posted by: Yeah right ()
Date: February 19, 2020 08:27PM

No sign it’s a VPN, either, moron.

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Re: Why Grace Episcopal and the Diocese Cannot Win in Court
Posted by: ksfqjwelgkjb ()
Date: February 19, 2020 08:30PM

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