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Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
eesh
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Date: September 13, 2012 04:00PM
http://www.townhall.virginia.gov/L/ViewXML.cfm?textid=5346
http://www.examiner.com/article/virginia-moves-to-allow-ambulance-crews-to-carry-guns?cid=rss
This Virginia Emergency Medical Services (EMS) gun ban repeal follows repeals of regulations banning gun carry in state parks and state forests. Virginia Citizens Defense League President Philip Van Cleave supports the regulation change.
“Ambulance crews often arrive at crime scenes before the police have things in hand,” says Van Cleave. “They are truly first responders, so why disarm them?,” he adds.
http://www.examiner.com/article/virginia-moves-to-allow-ambulance-crews-to-carry-guns?cid=rss
This Virginia Emergency Medical Services (EMS) gun ban repeal follows repeals of regulations banning gun carry in state parks and state forests. Virginia Citizens Defense League President Philip Van Cleave supports the regulation change.
“Ambulance crews often arrive at crime scenes before the police have things in hand,” says Van Cleave. “They are truly first responders, so why disarm them?,” he adds.
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
HIMC
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Date: September 13, 2012 04:18PM
Great idea. I especially enjoyed reading some of the Examiner comments.
Most are positive but a few are your stereotyped whiners and momma's boys. You'd think in a
state where pizza delivery guys are allowed to CCW and open carry at least the paramedics should be able to.
Most are positive but a few are your stereotyped whiners and momma's boys. You'd think in a
state where pizza delivery guys are allowed to CCW and open carry at least the paramedics should be able to.
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
happer camper
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Date: September 13, 2012 04:28PM
I suggest an M-4.
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
Hay Zeus
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Date: September 13, 2012 04:29PM
So now when ambulances arive to a crime scene a squad of armed first responders are going to jump out of the back doors and establish a perimeter??
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: September 13, 2012 04:33PM
Hay Zeus Wrote:
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> So now when ambulances arive to a crime scene a
> squad of armed first responders are going to jump
> out of the back doors and establish a perimeter??
No, but a lot of EMTs are victims of assault and animal attacks when they arrive on scene.
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> So now when ambulances arive to a crime scene a
> squad of armed first responders are going to jump
> out of the back doors and establish a perimeter??
No, but a lot of EMTs are victims of assault and animal attacks when they arrive on scene.
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
Ahmayzin
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Date: September 13, 2012 04:43PM
EMTS: Performin CPR and peelin caps since 2012.
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
Leftist Gorillas
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Date: September 13, 2012 04:56PM
Why do ambulance crews need to carry guns? Just because one guy may have needed one 42 years ago doesn't mean everyone gets to strap. I just think Virginia is entirely too restrictive when it comes to its firearms...
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
meh
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Date: September 13, 2012 05:08PM
Leftist Gorillas Wrote:
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> Why do ambulance crews need to carry guns? Just
> because one guy may have needed one 42 years ago
> doesn't mean everyone gets to strap. I just think
> Virginia is entirely too restrictive when it comes
> to its firearms...
VA is too restrictive, but ambulances shouldn't carry?
wat
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> Why do ambulance crews need to carry guns? Just
> because one guy may have needed one 42 years ago
> doesn't mean everyone gets to strap. I just think
> Virginia is entirely too restrictive when it comes
> to its firearms...
VA is too restrictive, but ambulances shouldn't carry?
wat
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
EMTech
()
Date: September 13, 2012 05:38PM
Leftist Gorillas Wrote:
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> Why do ambulance crews need to carry guns? Just
> because one guy may have needed one 42 years ago
> doesn't mean everyone gets to strap. I just think
> Virginia is entirely too restrictive when it comes
> to its firearms...
Why shouldn't they? Are EMTs a menace to society?
Yah, I know. Them guns is EVIL! PURE EVIL I tell ya! Theys makes you do EVIL things!
lol
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> Why do ambulance crews need to carry guns? Just
> because one guy may have needed one 42 years ago
> doesn't mean everyone gets to strap. I just think
> Virginia is entirely too restrictive when it comes
> to its firearms...
Why shouldn't they? Are EMTs a menace to society?
Yah, I know. Them guns is EVIL! PURE EVIL I tell ya! Theys makes you do EVIL things!
lol
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
Leftist Gorilla
()
Date: September 13, 2012 05:57PM
meh Wrote:
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> Leftist Gorillas Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why do ambulance crews need to carry guns? Just
> > because one guy may have needed one 42 years
> ago
> > doesn't mean everyone gets to strap. I just
> think
> > Virginia is entirely too restrictive when it
> comes
> > to its firearms...
>
>
> VA is too restrictive, but ambulances shouldn't
> carry?
>
> wat
Yeah...lemme' try that again so that people like meh in remedial reading can understand it.
I just think Virginia is *ENTIRELY TOO RESTRICTIVE" when it comes to its firearms...
Sarcasm, meh...just one of the services I offer. Christ...
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> Leftist Gorillas Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why do ambulance crews need to carry guns? Just
> > because one guy may have needed one 42 years
> ago
> > doesn't mean everyone gets to strap. I just
> think
> > Virginia is entirely too restrictive when it
> comes
> > to its firearms...
>
>
> VA is too restrictive, but ambulances shouldn't
> carry?
>
> wat
Yeah...lemme' try that again so that people like meh in remedial reading can understand it.
I just think Virginia is *ENTIRELY TOO RESTRICTIVE" when it comes to its firearms...
Sarcasm, meh...just one of the services I offer. Christ...
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
beenthere
()
Date: September 13, 2012 06:31PM
I can assure you that NO EMS unit's in Fairfax county will ever be allowed to carry a firearm, NEVER,EVER,NEVER.
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
DoneThat
()
Date: September 13, 2012 06:47PM
beenthere Wrote:
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> I can assure you that NO EMS unit's in Fairfax
> county will ever be allowed to carry a firearm,
> NEVER,EVER,NEVER.
So, is this just your opinion? Or would you care to offer up some facts to substantiate your position?
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> I can assure you that NO EMS unit's in Fairfax
> county will ever be allowed to carry a firearm,
> NEVER,EVER,NEVER.
So, is this just your opinion? Or would you care to offer up some facts to substantiate your position?
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
pilot man
()
Date: September 13, 2012 07:34PM
Never Say Never, young lady. We thought that airline pilots will never carry either.
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
Rankine Cycler
()
Date: September 13, 2012 07:51PM
It is a question of the impact on ability to execute tasks.
Ability may be that of an individual, crew, other unit...
Tasks may be primary, secondary, yet unknown...
The question is rich with questions.
You can only answer some of them.
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Ability may be that of an individual, crew, other unit...
Tasks may be primary, secondary, yet unknown...
The question is rich with questions.
You can only answer some of them.
"""""""""
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
brisco darling
()
Date: September 13, 2012 09:50PM
Great idea. They will be able to shoot you then patch you up at the same time. No longer need cops.
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
beenthere
()
Date: September 13, 2012 11:50PM
Sure, Fairfax is in the take people to the hospital that have been shot by someone other then their EMS personel. They don't even let their Fire dept. personel have a gun in their personal vehicles much less on an emergency call. I am a retired first responder in Fairfax county (28yrs) and can tell you there was plenty of times i had to duck and roll from one of you drunk ass Fairfax county yuppies. Afer a few years i learned to let drunks lay on the ground in their own piss and puke until the cop's got there. I used to stand back and wait for the cop's to come and tazer their asses and laugh my ass off! Ah, the good old day's!!
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
Fly Guy
()
Date: September 14, 2012 01:24AM
pilot man Wrote:
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> Never Say Never, young lady. We thought that
> airline pilots will never carry either.
Pilots carried guns for most of the history of commercial flight. In fact they were required to be armed on any flights carrying mail. NOT having armed pilots is a fairly recent development. That ended in 1987 after a USAir employee named David Burke who had been fired shot and killed his supervisor and the pilots aboard Pacific Southwest Airlines flight 1771. After that they changed the regs to ban guns and require that pilots, flight crews, and other employees flying had to go through the same screening as passengers.
http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-pa1771.shtml
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> Never Say Never, young lady. We thought that
> airline pilots will never carry either.
Pilots carried guns for most of the history of commercial flight. In fact they were required to be armed on any flights carrying mail. NOT having armed pilots is a fairly recent development. That ended in 1987 after a USAir employee named David Burke who had been fired shot and killed his supervisor and the pilots aboard Pacific Southwest Airlines flight 1771. After that they changed the regs to ban guns and require that pilots, flight crews, and other employees flying had to go through the same screening as passengers.
http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-pa1771.shtml
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
Herp Derp
()
Date: September 14, 2012 09:13AM
beenthere Wrote:
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> I can assure you that NO EMS unit's in Fairfax
> county will ever be allowed to carry a firearm,
> NEVER,EVER,NEVER.
Are you kidding? I'm sure the jack-booted thugs in the Fairfax County Government would love nothing more than to arm even more of their employees.
Once this passes, I imagine it won't be long until we start getting fundraising mail from our local fire departments requesting these...
Attachments:
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> I can assure you that NO EMS unit's in Fairfax
> county will ever be allowed to carry a firearm,
> NEVER,EVER,NEVER.
Are you kidding? I'm sure the jack-booted thugs in the Fairfax County Government would love nothing more than to arm even more of their employees.
Once this passes, I imagine it won't be long until we start getting fundraising mail from our local fire departments requesting these...
Attachments:
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
TomMadison
()
Date: September 14, 2012 09:57AM
Reminds me of a story that I heard while going through the Fire & Rescue Academy as a volunteer years ago. An ambulance rolled up on a scene to the sound of gunfire and the driver hit the emergency button on the CAD before exiting the unit with his partner. Dispatch immediately calls back "Ambulance 22, what is your location?" The driver replied "Under the ambulance!"
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
Randolf Mantooth
()
Date: September 14, 2012 10:33AM
EMT tech on radio to doctor at hospital:
EMT Tech: "Doc, I have an unresponsive victim, I believe he is dead."
Doctor: "Let's not guess, are you sure he is dead?"
EMT Tech: "Hold on" *BANG* "Yes he is dead."
EMT Tech: "Doc, I have an unresponsive victim, I believe he is dead."
Doctor: "Let's not guess, are you sure he is dead?"
EMT Tech: "Hold on" *BANG* "Yes he is dead."
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
Tough One
()
Date: September 14, 2012 10:40AM
About time. Too many times there have been EMT crews/fire crews without police response, and where some of these folks have to do public safety work without protection. A very solid idea, and considering as they all have been through psychological/polygraph/background checks, they are more than qualified with solid training.
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
Fairfax Resident
()
Date: September 14, 2012 11:01AM
Fairfax County government will not let EMS personnel carry while on duty. EMS personnel can't even transport to, nor safely store firearms in their POV's, on EMScounty property; unless the county administrative rule has changed. The last thing this county needs is some hot headed whacko EMS types to carry firearms on duty. It's bad enough grown men act like boys with their fireman toys, and justify everything they do no matter how minor as a "public safety" issue.
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
113
()
Date: September 14, 2012 11:44AM
I agree that we are not likely to see any EMTs carrying up here in FFX. Not really a need for it since police response times are so low. Proabbly same thing for Richmond and Norfolk.
But way out in BFE? Yeah, let the EMTs carry some heat.
But way out in BFE? Yeah, let the EMTs carry some heat.
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
call 911
()
Date: September 14, 2012 11:48AM
Fairfax Resident Wrote:
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> Fairfax County government will not let EMS
> personnel carry while on duty. EMS personnel can't
> even transport to, nor safely store firearms in
> their POV's, on EMScounty property; unless the
> county administrative rule has changed. The last
> thing this county needs is some hot headed whacko
> EMS types to carry firearms on duty. It's bad
> enough grown men act like boys with their fireman
> toys, and justify everything they do no matter how
> minor as a "public safety" issue.
please go back to your little cubicle and do your accounting job
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> Fairfax County government will not let EMS
> personnel carry while on duty. EMS personnel can't
> even transport to, nor safely store firearms in
> their POV's, on EMScounty property; unless the
> county administrative rule has changed. The last
> thing this county needs is some hot headed whacko
> EMS types to carry firearms on duty. It's bad
> enough grown men act like boys with their fireman
> toys, and justify everything they do no matter how
> minor as a "public safety" issue.
please go back to your little cubicle and do your accounting job
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
FBO
()
Date: September 14, 2012 11:55AM
Good.
____________________________________________________________________________________________
I say "fuck" a lot...
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I say "fuck" a lot...
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: September 14, 2012 12:41PM
113 Wrote:
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> I agree that we are not likely to see any EMTs
> carrying up here in FFX. Not really a need for it
> since police response times are so low. Proabbly
> same thing for Richmond and Norfolk.
>
> But way out in BFE? Yeah, let the EMTs carry some
> heat.
Another thing is that Northern Virginia EMTs sometimes go into DC and Maryland....so there would definitely be a problem with them being armed.
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> I agree that we are not likely to see any EMTs
> carrying up here in FFX. Not really a need for it
> since police response times are so low. Proabbly
> same thing for Richmond and Norfolk.
>
> But way out in BFE? Yeah, let the EMTs carry some
> heat.
Another thing is that Northern Virginia EMTs sometimes go into DC and Maryland....so there would definitely be a problem with them being armed.
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
Fairfax Resident
()
Date: September 14, 2012 12:46PM
call 911 Wrote:
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> Fairfax Resident Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fairfax County government will not let EMS
> > personnel carry while on duty. EMS personnel
> can't
> > even transport to, nor safely store firearms in
> > their POV's, on EMScounty property; unless the
> > county administrative rule has changed. The
> last
> > thing this county needs is some hot headed
> whacko
> > EMS types to carry firearms on duty. It's bad
> > enough grown men act like boys with their
> fireman
> > toys, and justify everything they do no matter
> how
> > minor as a "public safety" issue.
>
>
> please go back to your little cubicle and do your
> accounting job
Fuck you. Go back up north asshole.
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> Fairfax Resident Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fairfax County government will not let EMS
> > personnel carry while on duty. EMS personnel
> can't
> > even transport to, nor safely store firearms in
> > their POV's, on EMScounty property; unless the
> > county administrative rule has changed. The
> last
> > thing this county needs is some hot headed
> whacko
> > EMS types to carry firearms on duty. It's bad
> > enough grown men act like boys with their
> fireman
> > toys, and justify everything they do no matter
> how
> > minor as a "public safety" issue.
>
>
> please go back to your little cubicle and do your
> accounting job
Fuck you. Go back up north asshole.
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
bus drivers
()
Date: September 14, 2012 04:14PM
Bus drivers are next.
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
Anneal
()
Date: September 14, 2012 09:21PM
Many volunteer firefighters are wanna-be cops and put lights on their personal cars. Now EMTs think they are cops and want to carry guns.
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
Let them carry
()
Date: September 14, 2012 10:58PM
Citizens can carry a firearm strapped their waist without a permit State wide in Virginia so why should EMTs be denied this right ?
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
spiel
()
Date: September 14, 2012 11:50PM
When a EMT is on duty the county or city is liable for everything they do. It's not unreasonable that the government would not want to be liable for a shooting cause by an untrained employee carrying a gun on duty.
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Citizens can carry a firearm strapped their waist without a permit State wide in Virginia so why should EMTs be denied this right ?
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Citizens can carry a firearm strapped their waist without a permit State wide in Virginia so why should EMTs be denied this right ?
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
113
()
Date: September 14, 2012 11:59PM
eesh Wrote:
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> 113 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I agree that we are not likely to see any EMTs
> > carrying up here in FFX. Not really a need for
> it
> > since police response times are so low.
> Proabbly
> > same thing for Richmond and Norfolk.
> >
> > But way out in BFE? Yeah, let the EMTs carry
> some
> > heat.
>
>
>
> Another thing is that Northern Virginia EMTs
> sometimes go into DC and Maryland....so there
> would definitely be a problem with them being
> armed.
A very good point.
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> 113 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I agree that we are not likely to see any EMTs
> > carrying up here in FFX. Not really a need for
> it
> > since police response times are so low.
> Proabbly
> > same thing for Richmond and Norfolk.
> >
> > But way out in BFE? Yeah, let the EMTs carry
> some
> > heat.
>
>
>
> Another thing is that Northern Virginia EMTs
> sometimes go into DC and Maryland....so there
> would definitely be a problem with them being
> armed.
A very good point.
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
Two Cents
()
Date: September 15, 2012 03:28PM
This is a bad idea. The whole idea have having a gun is to shoot people with. Shoot to kill. If a paramedic has to carry a gun and then shoot someone with it, then they are expected to give them first aid to keep them alive! No fair!!!!!
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
Questioning McRiddle
()
Date: September 15, 2012 04:11PM
Does this mean the "Pass the Boot" Labor Day fundraiser will become "Shoot the Skinflint" as they'll brutally gundown anyone who doesn't offer a donation so they can strap?
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
curious
()
Date: September 18, 2012 04:32PM
Does this mean the Virginia Defense Force will be able to carry guns soon?
Re: Virginia Planning to Allow Ambulance Crews to Carry Firearms
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: September 18, 2012 08:58PM
curious Wrote:
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> Does this mean the Virginia Defense Force will be
> able to carry guns soon?
Let's hope not.
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> Does this mean the Virginia Defense Force will be
> able to carry guns soon?
Let's hope not.