During the heat wave Friday-Wednesday, consider raising your home thermostat 2-3 degrees.

1. It puts less load on your air conditioning system, perhaps extending its life
2. It's a responsible thing to do

Good call fellow citizen.

whut? it's gunna be hotter than hell outside. don't you mean, lower your thermostat a few degrees?

I am running my a/c down to 60 now, that way i will have a head start on the heat wave tomorrow

Are you fucking kidding me? do you think i pay this kind of money for a house in Great Falls so that my rich guests can sweat in my gymnasium/family room? do you know how much hot air can build up in a two story family room/kitchen? Fuck you--let the plebes turn there shit down. . . they're not entertaining senators or congressmen. . . i don't even know why i come to this site anymore. . . all the shit about 2concerned. . . suckola!

Conservation Wrote:
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> During the heat wave Friday-Wednesday, consider
> raising your home thermostat 2-3 degrees.
>
> 1. It puts less load on your air conditioning
> system, perhaps extending its life
> 2. It's a responsible thing to do

68 all summer long baby, especially when it's 101f. Suck it!

Conservation Wrote:
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> During the heat wave Friday-Wednesday, consider
> raising your home thermostat 2-3 degrees.
>
> 1. It puts less load on your air conditioning
> system, perhaps extending its life
> 2. It's a responsible thing to do


This doesn't make much sense even for the conservation minded. If you can tolerate the added heat from raising the thermostat, over and above the natural increase in your home's temperature from the heat wave itself, then why not keep your thermostat at a higher temp constantly? Whatever your personal optimal temperature is, that would seem more in line with keeping an equilibrium and maximizing efficiency.

Well, let's see...it would only make healthy sense to slow the body down during a heat wave so that it's systems in place to maintain homeostasis are not overtaxed. Slowing down a bit would make slightly higher temperatures in the home a possibility.

On the other hand, please, yank the thermostat to 60 if you want. When all the transformers have blown and you're sitting in a pool of your sweat and defrosted rotting steaks, maybe we'll have that conversation again. It's a huge heat wave and there won't be many reserves to draw from.

Conservation Wrote:
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> Well, let's see...it would only make healthy sense
> to slow the body down during a heat wave so that
> it's systems in place to maintain homeostasis are
> not overtaxed. Slowing down a bit would make
> slightly higher temperatures in the home a
> possibility.
>
> On the other hand, please, yank the thermostat to
> 60 if you want. When all the transformers have
> blown and you're sitting in a pool of your sweat
> and defrosted rotting steaks, maybe we'll have
> that conversation again. It's a huge heat wave and
> there won't be many reserves to draw from.


I set my thermostats to 71 on hot days, I figure if the power goes out then my house will stay cooler longer. If things really get bad I start up my generator that will keep the fridge, TV, water heater and a window A/C unit running. Should the generator fail I move to my camper that has an on-board generator and A/C to keep me cool.

Yes, there's always the Mad Max route. Which is not a bad idea. But for others, good luck figuring out how to be self sufficient with a generator.

Conservation Wrote:
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> Yes, there's always the Mad Max route. Which is
> not a bad idea. But for others, good luck figuring
> out how to be self sufficient with a generator.

Interesting you'll tell us what to set our thermostat at, but when someone takes initiative to be at least a little self sufficient, you mock it. I think I can guess your politics.

Gotto go turn the dial down to 65 so it's good and cold to start the day. My AC may have a hard time keeping up today.

Conservation Wrote:
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> During the heat wave Friday-Wednesday, consider
> raising your home thermostat 2-3 degrees.
>
> 1. It puts less load on your air conditioning
> system, perhaps extending its life
> 2. It's a responsible thing to do

Great, now we have the holier than thou people coming out and dictating what their intrepretation the responsible thing to do is, so we can live up to their standards. Note that there is no reason given, it is just the "responsible thing to do." Please don't make your own choices, live your life the way I want you to.


> On the other hand, please, yank the thermostat to
> 60 if you want. When all the transformers have
> blown and you're sitting in a pool of your sweat
> and defrosted rotting steaks, maybe we'll have
> that conversation again. It's a huge heat wave and
> there won't be many reserves to draw from.

If I can't convince to live your life my way, here is some drama that should make my point. By the way, if KeepOnTruckin does keep his temperature at 60, "all the transformers" would not blow. Really? All the transformers? Even the ones in India? You need to understand how the power grid works before telling others how to live their lives.

Friend, that was not mocking Mad Max. That movie was a fairly good representation of life when there are a few drops of oil left. Politics has nothing to do with my suggestion.

Learning to adjust to changes (in temperature: by slowing down, letting your body adjust to a bit of warmth) makes a person more powerful. They aren't slaves to the technology.

Second, by running the ac as low as you can runs the system into the ground. Lowers the life of the system, replacement money you may need in the years to come.

Last, conversations on this board will always be reduced to one of two: responsibility to self versus responsibility to community. Self tends to yell louder on here.

I like it cold...I'm not going to lie. I have programmable thermostat that is set for 77 between 7am - 4pm. At 4pm it's programmed to go to 73. Of course, when it's 100 outside, a dry 79 inside feels damn good.

I balance my energy use out by trying to leave the windows open whenever I can, but an outside temp of 85 is about the limit for that.

I have neighbors that NEVER open the windows. They go from heat to A/C seemlessly. That's crazy.

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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

I like it cold inside. I'm unfortunately in an all electric house. So when the time came to replace the 30 yr old heat pump, I shelled out for the system with the highest possible SEER rating - forget the number, but there were none higher. Two stage system that reads the outside temperature and a bunch of other efficient shit that I've now forgotten. It was state of the art 5 years ago and is still probably more efficient than 90% of what's installed.

My advice to the OP is to forego this summers' vacation and replace your system with something as state of the art as what I have. Otherwise you are not doing the 'responsible thing'. Sounds crazy huh? Kind of like you telling me to turn my AC down.

Conservation Wrote:
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> Last, conversations on this board will always be
> reduced to one of two: responsibility to self
> versus responsibility to community. Self tends to
> yell louder on here.


There is only responsibility to self. Some people feel that the way for them to fulfill their responsibility to them selves is to tell others how to live saying it is for the good of the community. Yet who put them in charge of deciding what is good for the community? No one, just their egos.

Perhaps the OP will consider shutting their yap?

Worldwide energy use per capita. (That means per person)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_energy_consumption_per_capita


I'm not telling anyone what to do. If you get so defensive about 2-3 degrees, your line in the sand is drawn awfully close, isn't it?

Yes, power-grid person, I understand the power grid. Is this an infinite resource?

No, get-a-new-one person, I'm trying to use the system so I conserve my resources: capital, income, energy, health

donald trump Wrote:
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> Are you fucking kidding me? do you think i pay
> this kind of money for a house in Great Falls so
> that my rich guests can sweat in my
> gymnasium/family room? do you know how much hot
> air can build up in a two story family
> room/kitchen? Fuck you--let the plebes turn there
> shit down. . . they're not entertaining senators
> or congressmen. . . i don't even know why i come
> to this site anymore. . . all the shit about
> 2concerned. . . suckola!


I feel bad that you entertain such shallow, fake individuals. Enjoy your commute.

Conservation Wrote:
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> Worldwide energy use per capita. (That means per
> person)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_
> energy_consumption_per_capita
>
>
> I'm not telling anyone what to do. If you get so
> defensive about 2-3 degrees, your line in the sand
> is drawn awfully close, isn't it?
>

A +2 degree change in the average global temp will melt every icecap, iceberg, icecube and snow cone on the planet causing a global flooding that will wipe out all of mankind. So 2 degrees is pretty epic. If your body temp goes up 2 degrees you'll fuckin' feel it too, buster.

-jg

p.s. Oh you mad cuz I'm stylin' on you?

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Conservation Wrote:
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> Worldwide energy use per capita. (That means per
> person)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_
> energy_consumption_per_capita
>
>
> I'm not telling anyone what to do. If you get so
> defensive about 2-3 degrees, your line in the sand
> is drawn awfully close, isn't it?
>
> Yes, power-grid person, I understand the power
> grid. Is this an infinite resource?
>
> No, get-a-new-one person, I'm trying to use the
> system so I conserve my resources: capital,
> income, energy, health


Your posts seem gay. Are you gay? Your posts indicate that you are. Quite the hissy fit Mary.

Ha ha ha ha ha hoo hoo too much. Ad Hominem fallacy.

I just close the dampers and doors for un-used rooms. It seems to keep the duty cycle of the HVAC system down on days such as these.

Good idea, I'll consider it.......no, I don't think I'll do it.

How about you consider blowing your head off. That would decrease your energy consumption.

Conservation Wrote:
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>
> I'm not telling anyone what to do. If you get so
> defensive about 2-3 degrees, your line in the sand
> is drawn awfully close, isn't it?

Ah, but you are telling people what to do. Remember your point #2? " It's a responsible thing to do." So you are telling us that we are irresponsible if we don't do as you say.

The 2-3 degree argument is just a rehash of an old argument used to justify tax increases. For example, If you wouldn't give an additional 2-3% in taxes to help the poor (or whatever) then you are drawn awfully close (whatever that means). Why can't we keep our houses at the temperature we want rather than the temperature you want?


>
> Yes, power-grid person, I understand the power
> grid. Is this an infinite resource?

Nothing made by man is infinite. Also, the power grid will not blow up all transformers if one person lowers their AC to 60 degrees.


> No, get-a-new-one person, I'm trying to use the
> system so I conserve my resources: capital,
> income, energy, health

As I and others thought, this post is not about community responsibility, it is about you.

All you douchebag libs who oppose all forms of fossil-fuel and nuclear energy should shut off your A/C altogether. You oppose all new power plants. You're turning off your A/C or you're a fucking hypocrite!

It is so hot, that I might just be willing to go down to Ivanhoe Lane area for a cold beer.

NRA 75 Wrote:
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> It is so hot, that I might just be willing to go
> down to Ivanhoe Lane area for a cold beer.


Thats pretty fuckin hot.

+1000

Don't forget, he's got black plastic up on all the windows, so it has got to be cooking that fevered mind even more. He might go full Colonel Kurtz soon.

Conservation Wrote:
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> During the heat wave Friday-Wednesday, consider
> raising your home thermostat 2-3 degrees.
>
> 1. It puts less load on your air conditioning
> system, perhaps extending its life
> 2. It's a responsible thing to do


I keep my house at 76 degrees all summer but I have a solar powered unit in my mancave that keeps me at an icy cool 70 degrees. On hot nights like tonite I sleep in the mancave and all that comfort is free!
http://solarpoweredairconditioner.net/

saver2 Wrote:
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> Conservation Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > During the heat wave Friday-Wednesday, consider
> > raising your home thermostat 2-3 degrees.
> >
> > 1. It puts less load on your air conditioning
> > system, perhaps extending its life
> > 2. It's a responsible thing to do
>
>
> I keep my house at 76 degrees all summer but I
> have a solar powered unit in my mancave that keeps
> me at an icy cool 70 degrees. On hot nights like
> tonite I sleep in the mancave and all that comfort
> is free!
> http://solarpoweredairconditioner.net/


Do you live in Australia? That website is based there. What a shitty website.

I like it cold too.I try to keep the lights off.Lights make heat which has to be cooled.I usually run mine at 72,but I turn it up to 76 when it gets like this.

Keep the drapes closed, lights off,and thermostat on 85 during the day. The ceiling fans circulate the air and I spend most of the day on the lower levels where it is cooler. At night I put it down to 75 and have a low fan blowing in the bedroom. I even need a blanket! I hate to pay for electricity that is wasted on empty rooms when a little common sense can save money.

I have electrical service capable of delivering 200 amps to my house. I can use all of this available capacity whenever I feel like it, assuming I pay the bill, which I do. My heat pump is on a 25 amp circuit, it is an energy efficient model. Delivering however many amps I am using is the problem of the power company. If my electricty goes out during this time of peak demand, I will send an angry letter to the board of supervisors of the power company.
But I have NOVEC, a non profit cooperative that cares about its customers, so my electricity is unlikely to go out.
And if it does, I will hook up my window a/c to my 2000 watt inverter and power it off of my car. You can't put a price on comfort during a heat wave.

Shutting the fuck up and letting me do what I want.

Keep on trucking wrote
But I have NOVEC, a non profit cooperative that cares about its customers, so my electricity is unlikely to go out.
And if it does, I will hook up my window a/c to my 2000 watt inverter and power it off of my car. You can't put a price on comfort during a heat wave.

So how did you make out this past weekend? Did you lose power?

Now that I have power I have cranked the ac way down, just in case. Some people nearby have had their power go out for a second time. I want a cool cushion this time.

Or go for that middle ground that no one seems to care about anymore and install a solar-powered attic fan, or two.. They're fairly inexpensive (mine cost about $500), easy to install and make such a huge difference in the summer that they pay themselves off within a few years. Plus, they help a lot if you live in a townhouse, since those are notoriously difficult to cool at the top.

I didn't install mine for "eco-freak" purposes. I installed mine b/c my top of the line Carrier unit still had trouble getting the 3rd floor of my townhouse cool without turning the basement and lower floor into a damn ice cube and I didn't want to shell out $3-$5k to go the whole "separate climate zone" route.

The impact was amazing. The top floor dropped 5 degrees within 2 hours of the thing being on (it takes some time to evacuate all the hot air that gets trapped in the attic). Doesn't sound like much but it has a cascading effect.

hey commie conservation dude....stop telling me what to do..if you want to sweat like a pig...knock yourself out....

AAAHHHH! that a/c feels good!

Conservation Wrote:
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> During the heat wave Friday-Wednesday, consider
> raising your home thermostat 2-3 degrees.
>
> 1. It puts less load on your air conditioning
> system, perhaps extending its life
SO WHAT IM RICH

> 2. It's a responsible thing to do
KISS MY ASS HIPPY

Soooooo, do ya think the OP has power to be responsible w/his AC?

No juice Wrote:
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> Keep on trucking wrote
> But I have NOVEC, a non profit cooperative that
> cares about its customers, so my electricity is
> unlikely to go out.
> And if it does, I will hook up my window a/c to my
> 2000 watt inverter and power it off of my car. You
> can't put a price on comfort during a heat wave.
>
> So how did you make out this past weekend? Did you
> lose power?


Yes it was inconveinient as hell, I lost power for 10 seconds and had to reset all of my clocks and microwaves. With NOVEC, my power never goes out for an extended period.

Conservation Wrote:
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> During the heat wave Friday-Wednesday, consider
> raising your home thermostat 2-3 degrees.
>
> 1. It puts less load on your air conditioning
> system, perhaps extending its life
> 2. It's a responsible thing to do


Please conserve.

Ken Servation Wrote:
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> Conservation Wrote:
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> > During the heat wave Friday-Wednesday, consider
> > raising your home thermostat 2-3 degrees.
> >
> > 1. It puts less load on your air conditioning
> > system, perhaps extending its life
> > 2. It's a responsible thing to do
>
>
> Please conserve.

OK,
Since you asked nicely, I have turned my AC off for the remainder of the year.

Mines cranking as I type this.