GB - trust me, if the Bob Marshall saying on CNN that "sodomy is not a civil right" isn't enough to make us all look like backward hillbillies, nothing Allen said will make it any worse.

Read this - might make you feel better. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56212.html

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and yet again a thread where there are more responses about me than the actual thread topic

WTF?

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@Brian - oh no I gotcha on that. I'm just saying he's got to keep up with that if he wants to win. He's lucky the primary is this week and the other 3 are basically old fart and two teaparty ppl who just look like they'd shut down functioning Government first chance they got.

Like I said, I know he's "forward-thinking". Bio-tech is all the rage with him I know. But he's gonna still have to work HARD to shed the "good ole boy" image he is historically known for having if he wants to win in 2012. I'm sure he's sorry he said it - but things like not letting ppl film him anymore on the campaign trail http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/virginia-politics/post/democrats-say-allen-campaign-is-targeting-its-tracker/2011/09/28/gIQAivq24K_blog.html dont help me change my mind either about the "actions" of it all, either.

I want my Government to be open and transparent.

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> You'll see our good friend D. here believe me to
> be a racist. He bases this belief on a picture I
> posted yesterday. You will notice since that
> picture was posted, every response he has posted
> on this thread has been solely directed at me, and
> about what his perception of me, based on the
> picture I posted was.
>
> Mr. Allen, I so hope you get a chance to see this
> thread somehow. Perhaps you will see how you have
> an image problem you need to fix NOW if you want
> to win this election. That Salon article is still
> out there
> http://www.salon.com/2006/09/25/allen_football/
> and there are voters out there who are not gonna
> vote for you until you put this sh*t to rest.
>
> If you have ppl out there defending you by saying
> "you suck you wont vote for him anyways" like D.
> here ...................um, well ok then I wont if
> that's what you want.
>
> But that just seems like a stupid way to try and
> get elected. And if I think you arent going to
> want to be my leader, why should I vote for you?
>
> As for me? Like I said I'm racist as hell. I
> agree with D. on that tip DONT VOTE FOR ME THIS
> NOVEMBER!!! LoLz
>
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Of course I'm posting about you You think somebody missed that? lol You're the only one here who's (a) simple enough to actually believe that the 'macaca' crap was anything other than pure political BS, and (b) hypocritical enough to call someone else racist and then post a pic of Tyrone! lmao!

I never said anything of the sort re GA. The only reason for me posting was to call you out for your own obvious BS and hypocrisy. Yeah, GA is going to be reading this thread. /roll eyes

And if you were smarter, then you would have realized several posts back that I was just "macacaing" you like they did him. But you're not so...

o_0

Seriously, George Allen kept a noose in his office? Who'd vote for him?

Maybe he could get a part in a remake of Deliverance. Eeeeeeeeeee! Gimme a ride boy!

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> > @D.Wilder - yeah....he just decided to "make up"
> a
> > word that just HAPPENED to be a replacement for
> > "nigger" and he just accidentally directed his
> > comment (while pointing right at the guy, mind
> > you) at the only dark skinned dude IN THE
> ENTIRE
> > COUNTY AT THE TIME!
> >
> > So yeah, if he's not smart enough to figure out
> > not to do that (on camera, mind you), then I
> dont
> > feel he's smart enough to run anything for VA.
> >
> > If only he'd manned up to what he did when he
> did
> > it instead of try and b.s. me on the
> > tv...................................
> >
> > Guess someone wont ever get to sit in the big
> > chair at 1600 now, will they? LoLz
> >
> > pic unrelated
>
> BULLSHIT. lmao
>
> Show me ONE reference to the word 'macaca' before
> he said it. And don't go pulling any of the crap
> from Wiki that was written after. All they did
> was to go find something that remotely sounded the
> same and tried to make a connection. The racial
> aspect was pure political bullshit.

Wise one that you are, you've never heard of macaques???

You ignoramus: http://www2.gsu.edu/~wwwvir/VirusInfo/macaque.html

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> Wise one that you are, you've never heard of
> macaques???
>
> You ignoramus:
> http://www2.gsu.edu/~wwwvir/VirusInfo/macaque.html



Sure. And I've heard of macaroni, maracas, the macarena, and any number of other words all of which have a similar sound and the same level of relevance to that of "macaca."

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> >
> > Wise one that you are, you've never heard of
> > macaques???
> >
> > You ignoramus:
> >
> http://www2.gsu.edu/~wwwvir/VirusInfo/macaque.html
>
> >
> Sure. And I've heard of macaroni, maracas, the
> macarena, and any number of other words all of
> which have a similar sound and the same level of
> relevance to that of "macaca."

Macaca is the genus name of the macaques, you idiot. Not a similar sounding word like macaroni, or macarana.

God, what a dolt!

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> > Facts Wrote:
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> >
> > >
> > > Wise one that you are, you've never heard of
> > > macaques???
> > >
> > > You ignoramus:
> > >
> >
> http://www2.gsu.edu/~wwwvir/VirusInfo/macaque.html
>
> >
> > >
> > Sure. And I've heard of macaroni, maracas, the
> > macarena, and any number of other words all of
> > which have a similar sound and the same level
> of
> > relevance to that of "macaca."
>
> Macaca is the genus name of the macaques, you
> idiot. Not a similar sounding word like macaroni,
> or macarana.
>
> God, what a dolt!


Uh huh. You're the one who fell for some mindless political BS and I'm the dolt? lmao

Now tell me with a straight face that you actually believe that, first, GA knew the specific epithet for a macaque and, second, that he actually intended to use it. And if you do I'll call you either a liar or an idiot as the case may be. In a word, bullshit. He made up a nonsense name. They went and found something racial that they could tie it to after the fact for political reasons. Period. End of story.

Seriously, I can respect somebody who might have some well-thought-out differences of opinion regarding various political issues but being a mindless partisan drone for stuff like this is just pitiful. As I said, I don't even like the guy but I'll still call bullshit on bullshit.

We must note vote for rinos like Allen and Perkins.. Please caste your ballot for Vaughn and Mr. Marshall.. And don't forget to purge all rinos from the GOP.. We must kick them out to preserve our liberty and end the unjust wars!

George Allen = washed up redneck hick racist who just happened to have a little Bernie Madoff in him.

Not the man we need, not by a long shot.

George Allen is horrible even using teabagger standards, certainly Virginia deserves better than this racist illiterate?

The bottom line is, Kaine is going to win. Allen can go back to drinking moonshine.

OK Vice Mayor (what of Whoville?) vote for both and screw yourself unless you are part of the .0001%, which I can be sure you are not.

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> Uh huh. You're the one who fell for some mindless
> political BS and I'm the dolt? lmao
>
> Now tell me with a straight face that you actually
> believe that, first, GA knew the specific epithet
> for a macaque and, second, that he actually
> intended to use it.


Well, he did actually POINT at the guy and call him that name..................so yeah, he kinda OBVIOUSLY intended to use it on the kid. Talk about a dolt LoLz



And if you do I'll call you
> either a liar or an idiot as the case may be. In
> a word, bullshit. He made up a nonsense name.
> They went and found something racial that they
> could tie it to after the fact for political
> reasons. Period. End of story.

Check out the Archangel! If you disagree with him you are a liar or an idiot. HA HA HA HA HA!!

>
> Seriously, I can respect somebody who might have
> some well-thought-out differences of opinion
> regarding various political issues

well, you havent proven that on this thread, that's for sure


but being a
> mindless partisan drone for stuff like this is
> just pitiful. As I said, I don't even like the
> guy but I'll still call bullshit on bullshit.

and good for you. Meanwhile, the rest of us are gonna focus on the ACTIONS Allen has taken on this issue, and NOT on the actual word meaning, as you have.

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I nominate BLEH he she whatever it is, more talented, intelligent, etc

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> >
> > Uh huh. You're the one who fell for some
> mindless
> > political BS and I'm the dolt? lmao
> >
> > Now tell me with a straight face that you
> actually
> > believe that, first, GA knew the specific
> epithet
> > for a macaque and, second, that he actually
> > intended to use it.
>
>
> Well, he did actually POINT at the guy and call
> him that name..................so yeah, he kinda
> OBVIOUSLY intended to use it on the kid. Talk
> about a dolt LoLz
>

Haven't I embarrassed and abused your dumb azz enough in this thread already? lol

Of course he intended to say it to the kid. That wasn't the question. The question was about whether "macaca" meant anything and was an intended racial slur. But like a good brainless partisan slug you'll ignore that to make an argument that helps support your belief the BS that you were fed. Yumm ymmm. Eat up. There's still some room in that empty head of yours. lol

@D - only think embarrassing here is yr mentality in being unable to follow along...........

in other words, YOU are the only person trying to figure out race still. Rest of us know that racist or not, it was still WRONG WRONG WRONG for a person in Allen's position to do to the kid.

And that Allen's ACTIONS are what are in question.

And like a real person, I'll judge a person on his/her actions. Plain and simple.

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> @D - only think embarrassing here is yr mentality
> in being unable to follow along...........
>
> in other words, YOU are the only person trying to
> figure out race still. Rest of us know that
> racist or not, it was still WRONG WRONG WRONG for
> a person in Allen's position to do to the kid.
>
> And that Allen's ACTIONS are what are in
> question.
>
> And like a real person, I'll judge a person on
> his/her actions. Plain and simple.


You're an idiot. The issue is your claim that there was some real racial aspect of his calling the kid "macaca."

If you'd actually do a little research other than just believing the manipulative political crap that you've been fed then you'd find any number of accounts of the real story behind the name being a modification of a nickname that they had for the kid as a known tracker for the Webb campaign (which actually was more correctly "mocaca"):

"August 16, 2006 12:10 PM | Permalink | Comments (104) | Share This

What does Macaca really mean? Three Virginia Republicans confirmed to the Hotline that several Allen campaign aides and advisers are telling allies that the word was a made-up, off-the-cuff neologism that these aides occasionally used to refer to tracker S.R. Sidarth well before last Saturday's videotaped encounter.
According to two Republicans who heard the word used, "macaca" was a mash-up of "Mohawk," referring to Sidarth's distinctive hair, and "caca," Spanish slang for excrement, or "shit."

Said one Republican close to the campaign: "In other words, he was a shit-head, an annoyance." Allen, according to Republicans, heard members of his traveling entourage and Virginia Republicans use the phrase and picked it up.

It was the first word that came to his mind when he spied Sidarth at the weekend's event, according to Republicans who have been briefed on Allen's version of the event."


You'd also find any number of articles and interviews with Webb's campaign manager, Jessica Vanden Berg, straight from the horse's mouth, which detail exactly how they manipulated the political narrative to be what they wanted it to be, including giving presentations at Progressive political strategy conferences e.g.:

"But how to spread the word? According to Vanden Berg, they chose to post the video on YouTube because it was free (simple enough). But before they tossed it out for the public to see, they’d already pitched the story to a Washington Post reporter, who wrote about it online on Monday. Only after the Post story appeared and the issue had been properly framed did the Webb folks send an email to their supporter list and to friendly bloggers. The fact that the video was on YouTube made it particularly easy to distribute, since bloggers could insert it directly into their pages, but it was the campaign’s promotional work that spread the word. And as the story developed, they constantly worked reporters and bloggers behind the scenes to shape the public discussion. The video had its REALLY significant effects when the mainstream media picked it up and showed it over and over — 400,000 people many have seen it online, but millions saw it on television. Webb’s people also had help from their opponent: Vanden Berg attributed much of the issue’s long shelf life to the Allen campaign’s very poor response — bad damage control killed them."


Now you can go back to whatever current manipulative political BS you'll be munching on today to tell you what to think.

it's great you continuously disagree with me, yet every single example you show me BACKS UP MY POINT! That it is Allens ACTIONS with this whole incident that are questionable.

You telling me I should vote for a guy that would do that to a kid just cause he feels the kid's s shithead?

And I wont even point out the fact even in yr quote, that they say he picked that name to call the kid just cause of what he LOOKED LIKE: macaca" was a mash-up of "Mohawk," referring to Sidarth's distinctive hair, and "caca," Spanish slang for excrement, or "shit." meaning if he looked different, Allen wouldnt have used that word........................

The words "oreo" and "banana" arent racist either................but use it in the "right" way, and they most certainly can be. Stay close-minded on that tip if you want to be......................

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> it's great you continuously disagree with me, yet
> every single example you show me BACKS UP MY
> POINT! That it is Allens ACTIONS with this whole
> incident that are questionable.
>
> You telling me I should vote for a guy that would
> do that to a kid just cause he feels the kid's s
> shithead?
>
> And I wont even point out the fact even in yr
> quote, that they say he picked that name to call
> the kid just cause of what he LOOKED LIKE:
> macaca" was a mash-up of "Mohawk," referring to
> Sidarth's distinctive hair, and "caca," Spanish
> slang for excrement, or "shit." meaning if he
> looked different, Allen wouldnt have used that
> word........................
>
> The words "oreo" and "banana" arent racist
> either................but use it in the "right"
> way, and they most certainly can be. Stay
> close-minded on that tip if you want to
> be......................


Again, you're an idiot. I don't care about Allen's ACTIONS. I don't care whether you or anyone else votes for him. The only reason that his actions became an issue was that it was manipulated to be racially motivated. As you claimed earlier, "macaca" being a well-known racial slur" versus pure and simple manipulated political bullshit.

So you're saying that Sidart looked like a shit head? lol Insulting someone because of the way that they look is not necessarily racial. For example, I can confidently call you a shit head without even knowing your race or what you look like. lmao

But in any case, you at least now appear to be tacitly admitting that the ridiculous macaca = macaque = racial slur BS was just that. Thanks, that was my only point.

no problem :) I will am very glad that ppl can read this thread and CLEARLY see your "point" LoLz

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but yr not telling anyone here anything new LoLz

That guy is just lucky Allen and his people did not lynch him, burn a cross, single "Dixie" and then make someone squeal like a pig.

George Allen makes a big deal of coming from football family. Maybe he should just go coach at some high school in Alabama or someplace where the Confederate flag and noose will make him a hero?

Virginians do not want this crypto-klansman representing them.

Say good bye, Makakawitz.

Count me as a vote for Allen. The entire Macacca incident is long over and we need as many conservative lawmakers as we can get. The Socialist agenda being shoved down our throats has got to be stopped. There will be plenty of takers voting for others, the providers need to get behind the Conservative candidates.

My point was that anyone who has ever spent any time in SE Asia (too many of us have) or was otherwise reasonably educated about biological research animals know, and have for decades, that "macaca" means "monkey." Pure and simple. The day I saw that clip I told my wife "holy sh't he just called that dark-skinned guy a monkey!!" Looked pretty racist to me.

The fact that it took some people in the press a while to figure that out (a few jumped on it right away) just reflects badly on the press. That didn't surprise me a bit, given how lame today's press tends to be.

But you, seem to have swallowed (hook,line, and sinker) the Allen camp's after-the-fact BS about how he was referring to the kid's hair.

And you characterize this (and me) as a political issue? I was 50/50 about voting for him before that. No, it's racism.

Hard to have a reasonable discussion with a conspiracy theorist.

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> My point was that anyone who has ever spent any
> time in SE Asia (too many of us have) or was
> otherwise reasonably educated about biological
> research animals know, and have for decades, that
> "macaca" means "monkey." Pure and simple. The day
> I saw that clip I told my wife "holy sh't he just
> called that dark-skinned guy a monkey!!" Looked
> pretty racist to me.
>
> The fact that it took some people in the press a
> while to figure that out (a few jumped on it right
> away) just reflects badly on the press. That
> didn't surprise me a bit, given how lame today's
> press tends to be.
>
> But you, seem to have swallowed (hook,line, and
> sinker) the Allen camp's after-the-fact BS about
> how he was referring to the kid's hair.
>
> And you characterize this (and me) as a political
> issue? I was 50/50 about voting for him before
> that. No, it's racism.
>
> Hard to have a reasonable discussion with a
> conspiracy theorist.


You're hopeless. As above, search for Jessica Vanden Berg. I posted HER OWN WORDS talking about how they'd manipulated the story. lol

But yeah, lots of voters in NoVA (including Allen himself) have worked with monkeys in SE Asia and know the genus for macaque. And I'm the one who swallowed something? lmao

The article, from the day after, that they coordinated is here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/14/AR2006081400589.html

Paraphrasing Allen, welcome to politics in America macaca.

@Facts - dont bother. To him, if it's not common inside our borders it just doesnt happen. Guy prolly still only sees soccer as strictly a kid's sport, y'know?

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> @Facts - dont bother. To him, if it's not common
> inside our borders it just doesnt happen. Guy
> prolly still only sees soccer as strictly a kid's
> sport, y'know?


You're back to claiming that it was racial again? I thought that I'd embarrassed that out of you but I guess the stupid just comes right back huh? lmao

@ Gordon
Thx. Knew I shouldn't have bothered. But D's combination of ignorance and arrogance is so hard to let slide. Oh, well.

@Facts - see what I mean? Guy is fixated on race.............you're not gonna get a lick of common sense out of that sorta person .

@D - being American isnt a "race". Lease a clue.

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> @Facts - see what I mean? Guy is fixated on
> race.............you're not gonna get a lick of
> common sense out of that sorta person .
>
> @D - being American isnt a "race". Lease a clue.


We're not talking about being American, we're talking about you idiots being chumps for political "racial" BS.

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> @ Gordon
> Thx. Knew I shouldn't have bothered. But D's
> combination of ignorance and arrogance is so hard
> to let slide. Oh, well.


And for the record, you didn't see the vid until after they'd already prepped the narrative for the Post and Not Larry Sabato and Tribbett. By the time you saw the vid, by design, the story had already been told.

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> But yeah, lots of voters in NoVA (including Allen
> himself) have worked with monkeys in SE Asia and
> know the genus for macaque. And I'm the one who
> swallowed something? lmao
>

Not what I said. Lots have spent time (well I guess it was working) in SE Asia a while back and know what macaca means.

Don't know why I bother.

@facts - I hope were are just being troll and that nobody is seriously this butt-ignorant like D..............but who knows.

@ D - then why'd you bring up race again? Cause yr the one that mentioned it..................again.

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> @facts - I hope were are just being troll and that
> nobody is seriously this butt-ignorant like
> D..............but who knows.
>
> @ D - then why'd you bring up race again? Cause
> yr the one that mentioned
> it..................again.


Because that's the matter in question. Pedal faster and try to keep up Gordo.

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> >
> > But yeah, lots of voters in NoVA (including
> Allen
> > himself) have worked with monkeys in SE Asia
> and
> > know the genus for macaque. And I'm the one
> who
> > swallowed something? lmao
> >
>
> Not what I said. Lots have spent time (well I
> guess it was working) in SE Asia a while back and
> know what macaca means.
>
> Don't know why I bother.


This is what you said:

"My point was that anyone who has ever spent any time in SE Asia (too many of us have) or was otherwise reasonably educated about biological research animals know, and have for decades, that "macaca" means "monkey." Pure and simple. The day I saw that clip I told my wife "holy sh't he just called that dark-skinned guy a monkey!!" Looked pretty racist to me."

Which, in other words, isn't GA and might be .001% of anyone who saw the story. It is not, as you implied in various posts, any sort of well-known racial slur. But, rather than recognizing that and addressing the substance of the matter, you want to key on my passing use of the word working. lol Pitiful.

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Oh yeah, and as above, you and everyone else only saw the vid after the story had been presented in the way that Vanden Berg wanted as a "racist" comment. Likewise, the specific spelling on which you base your entire argument only came about because Vanden Berg cast it that way for the Post. Being spoken and not written, it could have been (and was) interpreted and spelled in any number of other ways which would not have led to macaca = macaque. That, again, was intentional and by design. And if you really want to be technical about it, the actual pronunciation of "macaca" would be muh-'käk-uh (or more strictly ma-'kake-a),

No, this isn't "conspiracy." It's based on Vanden Berg's and other's in the Webb campaign's own accounts. Which you could easily find on your own if you actually crawled out of your little ideological bubble. No, big secret. They're proud of the fact that they played it politically to their advantage and how they did it. As I mentioned earlier, she gives presentations to political strategy groups detailing the circumstances. But I know that's a scary thing for folks like you to go out and do without someone to hold your hand and tell you what you should think. lol

One down, one to go.

Allen wins by a landslide.

I'd say he won by a noose instead of a landslide. A vote for George Allen is a vote for the Ku Klux Klan.

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> A vote for George Allen is a vote for the Ku Klux
> Klan.


The Klan would be on the Democrat side. Remember? Guess not.

hilarity ensued- Mr Macaca is actually Jewish...and hes an inept racist idiot

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George Allen will be burning a cross and handing out nooses at prayer time at the Dar al Hijra mosque in Falls Church tonight. He will also be offering free pork BBQ and answering questions about his policies and the details of Klan membership.

He will be offering pamphlets proving that the Prophet Mohammad was nothing more than a camel trader and counterfeiter.