Why the hell do these pricks enforce something as petty as a truck having decals on it and forcing the owner to cover them up (making it look awful but complying with HOA) but won't enforce things that are a serious issue. Every night I see a younger male having to have to go out and cover up decals on his vehicle but yet they NEVER enforce people double parking in their driveways blocking the sidewalk which is an actual safety issue. This is absolutely ridiculous. Enforce the things that will make the community safer for kids and residents, not what you can make money off of.

The only reason they knew about it is because a neighbor complained. Please post a pic of your truck and decals, and we'll tell you why someone complained.

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Commercial vehicles are not allowed to be parked (other than "on call") on much of Sully Station-area streets. Are the decals plain old Good Ol' Boy decals like "STP" or are they ads for the service the truck provides?

Because HOA's are the devil bobby.

twoputtpar Wrote:
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> but yet they NEVER enforce
> people double parking in their driveways blocking
> the sidewalk which is an actual safety issue

We're talking about what you are doing wrong, not what they are doing wrong.

The CMC at Sully Station II is worse than useless. They land on us over trivial shit, but when I call to get some real issue resolved, they stonewall me.

From the beginning, they have been a PITA. As soon as we moved in they questioned an item that was already in place. They made the previous owner and us prove that the item was already in place.

The HOA should be abolished. If any of you folks are reading this please go kill yourselves. Please.

HOA's are bullshit. The HOA in my community, not Sully but a different one, made us all replace our outside lamposts because there were different ones on some other townhouses. My lamppost was the original from the time the community was built. Just because some other people replaced theirs the HOA decided we all had to replace ours. FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!! The lamppost they wanted us to get costed $130!!!!! I just wish the HOA people would just get assassinated!!! Assassinated meaning, get fucking raped in the ass until it bleeds!!!!

HOA'S ARE WASTED SPERM Wrote:
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> costed $130!!!!! I just wish the HOA people would
> just get assassinated!!! Assassinated meaning,
> get fucking raped in the ass until it bleeds!!!!

Death threats and thinks "costed" is a word, classy.

Typical of you HOA jerks, you focus on the irrelevant - who cares if he misspelled a word, this isn't English class. You don't care that they were made to squander $130.

And there's a difference between giving you a death threat and just wishing it on you. I'm certainly in the latter category.

Oh - and you wouldn't know class if it . . . sodomized you until you bled.

You are worse than useless. Please disband. Abolish the Sully Station II HOA.
I hate you with every fiber of my being.

^^^Whoa...heat...is this where things heat up on FFU? I'm new and all.

Our HOA wants everyone to replace the concrete steps in front of their homes. This is a major expense.

Remember the ASS in Associa.

Now they want our neighbors a few doors down to clean their deck - the deck is spotless.

I seriously want to have some of these HOA people get their legs broken.

I'm going to tell my kids to start hassling your kids. I mean it. I'm to the point of "anything goes".

You are escalating a small war here. Keep it up. As was once famously said,

"I'll make it my mission in life to fucking destroy you!"

Wake up! The association is a legal entity, and as such is contracted with Fairfax county - So is each home owner. WE are the Commonwealth( the wealth of this land. if we don't exist this land has no value) We had our representitives go for us and make zonning laws regarding privet home dwelling land, commercial functioning land, and public land ie. government lands).Privet dwelling land is for living on. Commercial land is for working on. A truck that legally has a work sign on is a commercial vehical, and tax as such. Therefore it needs to be parked on commercial land that is taxed as. Its about Zoning law. Take the sign off and the truck it becomes at face value ( private use ) and zoned for private lands. If a person wants to start a business, we make available small business loans that they are able to rent commercial land for commecial property. The association will be fined by US if they allow the commercial venture to use private housing lands for commercial venture. Take the sign off the truck at night. They are helping the person save everyone money by telling them they need to take the commercial signs off their truck or car. They (associations) have no choose in the matter when it comes to zoning. This law effects ALL LAND HOLDERS including you if you own your home and the land that it sits on. One should learn to read law before they act. Every one knows the saying ignorance of law is no excuse. They are saying- "don't read the law before contracting with it - and then violate it - there is penalty to serv. Had one read the law in the first place they would have informed themself of this, and the penalty, before agreeing to the binding contract (of doing business in Fairfax) with the law, that they accepted by doing what they deem their business - We won't let you play the game called "Business" with us unless you play on a level playing field; as we do. The American born person that works with-out the bounds of the UCC is no more different than the person from Latin America, Europe, Russia etc. that has no papers to work. They are illigals! Because one is an american born in the United States does not give them a right to work or do business out side of the Unifide Commercial Code. Wanna work? Wanna earn money? get the papers, and know the rules ( LAWS ).UCC Unifide Commercial Code is the law of laws. Read the law and learn.

UCC Wrote:
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> Wake up! The association is a legal entity, and as
> such is contracted with Fairfax county - So is
> each home owner. WE are the Commonwealth( the
> wealth of this land. if we don't exist this land
> has no value) We had our representitives go for us
> and make zonning laws regarding privet home
> dwelling land, commercial functioning land, and
> public land ie. government lands).Privet dwelling
> land is for living on. Commercial land is for
> working on. A truck that legally has a work sign
> on is a commercial vehical, and tax as such.
> Therefore it needs to be parked on commercial land
> that is taxed as. Its about Zoning law. Take the
> sign off and the truck it becomes at face value (
> private use ) and zoned for private lands. If a
> person wants to start a business, we make
> available small business loans that they are able
> to rent commercial land for commecial property.
> The association will be fined by US if they allow
> the commercial venture to use private housing
> lands for commercial venture. Take the sign off
> the truck at night. They are helping the person
> save everyone money by telling them they need to
> take the commercial signs off their truck or car.
> They (associations) have no choose in the matter
> when it comes to zoning. This law effects ALL LAND
> HOLDERS including you if you own your home and the
> land that it sits on. One should learn to read law
> before they act. Every one knows the saying
> ignorance of law is no excuse. They are saying-
> "don't read the law before contracting with it -
> and then violate it - there is penalty to serv.
> Had one read the law in the first place they would
> have informed themself of this, and the penalty,
> before agreeing to the binding contract (of doing
> business in Fairfax) with the law, that they
> accepted by doing what they deem their business -
> We won't let you play the game called "Business"
> with us unless you play on a level playing field;
> as we do. The American born person that works
> with-out the bounds of the UCC is no more
> different than the person from Latin America,
> Europe, Russia etc. that has no papers to work.
> They are illigals! Because one is an american born
> in the United States does not give them a right to
> work or do business out side of the Unifide
> Commercial Code. Wanna work? Wanna earn money? get
> the papers, and know the rules ( LAWS ).UCC
> Unifide Commercial Code is the law of laws. Read
> the law and learn.

I stopped reading as soon as I realized you're crazy.

Do they monitor the parking as they say they do? The crap about homeowners who have houses with garages and driveways can take parking spaces across the street from women who have to park and walk 2 blocks in the dark to their homes is unheard of. While strong healthy men(with no guilt) park and walk across the street to their garaged driveway townhomes, someone's life could be in danger because that person does not want to have to move their vehicle so their spouse can get their vehicle out or because their garage is full of crap and they can't get their car in the garage. The judge who granted their wish must have no respect for women's safety. I'm sure there was a block for these homeowners who was given such a rediculous grant. Didn't sound like a fair fight to me. All you homeowners without garages and driveways have just given in. Fight for what is yours. Supreme court scared you??? Rome wasn't built in a day...

One more thing...HOA could have given the garaged, driveway homes a discount on their HOA fee. That way their fight can not be they pay the same amount as everyone else so they should have the extra parking spaces.

http://www.ccfj.net/courtdecVApark.html

Go to this link. This is the actual ruling. You can thank these individual garage townhouse owners for the parking mess.

That ruling is bullshit. Why is someone who can afford a better townhouse not allowed to use the common area?

That's like section 8 housing getting swimming pools and gym access and others who actually work to pay for their home don't get swimming pools and gym access.

Oh wait that is happening...

Have you ever driven through neighborhoods that don't have HOA's? You'll see poorly designed construction, terrible exterior colors, boats, RV's, commercial vehicles etc. HOA's protect home values and generally make for a more attractive neighborhood. You'll thank us later when you sell your home.

To each his own. I thank God I got out of my HOA and recently moved into an older neighborhood that is HOA-free. I realize opportunities like that are hard to come by since HOAs are commonplace and the norm for new development. Like my neighbors now, I dont need a ruling HOA authority to keep my home attractive and well maintained. And I certainly dont thank my former HOA president, board and management company for all the recurrent and increase angst and expense they put me through in those prior years.

I do feel a bit sorry for what the new homeowner who purchased from me most likely unwittingly bought into though.

HOA President Wrote:
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> Have you ever driven through neighborhoods that
> don't have HOA's? You'll see poorly designed
> construction, terrible exterior colors, boats,
> RV's, commercial vehicles etc. HOA's protect home
> values and generally make for a more attractive
> neighborhood. You'll thank us later when you sell
> your home.

Might be pretty outside but what's happening inside?
Child abuse? Serial rapist? Future child killers.
Maybe the gutter isn't so clean?
HOA,s do not make a house a home.

HOA President Wrote:
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> Have you ever driven through neighborhoods that
> don't have HOA's? You'll see poorly designed
> construction, terrible exterior colors, boats,
> RV's, commercial vehicles etc. HOA's protect home
> values and generally make for a more attractive
> neighborhood. You'll thank us later when you sell
> your home.

Everyone knows why we have HOA's, but most if not all are complete assholes about the way they go about things. Most things that HOA's complain about have no affect on property value, "The color of your front door" "That light post is different then your neighbors" "Your trash can was out a day early/late"

HOA's can do the things you described just show some respect and maybe you'll get some back.

HOAareBAD Wrote:
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> HOA President Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Have you ever driven through neighborhoods that
> > don't have HOA's? You'll see poorly designed
> > construction, terrible exterior colors, boats,
> > RV's, commercial vehicles etc. HOA's protect
> home
> > values and generally make for a more attractive
> > neighborhood. You'll thank us later when you
> sell
> > your home.
>
> Everyone knows why we have HOA's, but most if not
> all are complete assholes about the way they go
> about things. Most things that HOA's complain
> about have no affect on property value, "The color
> of your front door" "That light post is different
> then your neighbors" "Your trash can was out a day
> early/late"
>
> HOA's can do the things you described just show
> some respect and maybe you'll get some back.

I like different colored doors. Easier to find than addresses.
It also makes plain silly houses look unique in bland neighborhoods.

Yes! Thank you! I work a variable schedule job and sometimes get home late. I live almost the furthest you can from Sully Park Drive and most nights I have to walk 1/4 mile in the dark to get to my house. My husband and I moved in here a year ago not even realizing what a mess the parking is here. It is hard not to feel animosity toward people who have garages and park their car in a common space. I have thought a lot about what I could do to help solve this situation. Have any of you gone to the board? Is there a way to create more parking on Belcher farms drive (take out the grass dividers and put in parking). Since we just moved here, I am unaware of what has already been brought up and shot down.

I am more than willing to try and fight this with anyone who wants to join me. I understand it was a Supreme Court ruling, but there must be some way to get around the ruling and make assigned spaces not a "license".

sassey Wrote:
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> Do they monitor the parking as they say they do?
> The crap about homeowners who have houses with
> garages and driveways can take parking spaces
> across the street from women who have to park and
> walk 2 blocks in the dark to their homes is
> unheard of. While strong healthy men(with no
> guilt) park and walk across the street to their
> garaged driveway townhomes, someone's life could
> be in danger because that person does not want to
> have to move their vehicle so their spouse can get
> their vehicle out or because their garage is full
> of crap and they can't get their car in the
> garage. The judge who granted their wish must have
> no respect for women's safety. I'm sure there was
> a block for these homeowners who was given such a
> rediculous grant. Didn't sound like a fair fight
> to me. All you homeowners without garages and
> driveways have just given in. Fight for what is
> yours. Supreme court scared you??? Rome wasn't
> built in a day...


This is what I meant to quote and write my post to!

sassey Wrote:
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> All you homeowners without garages and
> driveways have just given in. Fight for what is
> yours.

Interesting what your definition of "yours" is. If I live in a townhouse with a garage (which I bought instead of a basement/rec room), and my driveway needs fixing, will you pay for it? Because if you park in a community space and it needs fixing, I have to pay for that.

Who pays Fairfax County real estate tax on your parking space? I have to pay it for mine.

I don't live in that area but hear these arguments often. But in reading up on this community it seems you aren't telling the whole story. In those mixed neighborhoods, it appears every house got one reserved space and the balance were reserved for that community (changed from the status quo the court case remedied... two reserved community-maintained spaces for non-garage townhouses and zero for the garage homes) . If you are a woman walking home, then you chose to not use the reserved space you had. Why?

Tell you what... since your idea of "fairness" is so good, how about you agree to fill your basement with concrete so you can't use it anymore in order to gain a parking spot, which is the equivalent of what I did as a part of an informed purchase decision? Then we'll be on equal footing and I'll consider it.

Fuck that. The court ruling set the precedent and it is useless to fight. They can't pave over that grass portion on Belcher because of the gas pipeline that runs underneath.

If you bought a place in a community without doing your research you should learn a lesson. Next time observe and ask these questions before hand. ESPECIALLY the parking situation in a townhouse/condo/apartment complex which are almost always bad or contentious.

When I moved out of an apartment complex I told myself I never wanted to come home late to find no parking ever again. So I got a townhouse with a garage. Like poster above said I can't exactly fit a pool table in my basement (it is basically a water heater and the washer/dryer) I sacrificed that in order to have a place I know I can park at any time. I don't think would be right if community property was just handed over to others who didn't take a basement sacrifice.

I laughed at the concrete idea yeah that is what would make things even before considering giving community parking spaces to half the neighborhood and the other half still has to pay for its upkeep, that doesn't sound right on any level. If parking is that important to people why would you buy a place for a few hundred thousand dollars that didn't have it? Seems to me if you change your mind you should move as a result of your buyer's remorse, not try to take community property.

Yeah, HOA's suck. Before we bought our first house I told the agent to not even consider neighborhoods with HOAs. And we now live in a great HOA-free neighborhood. It's got its drawbacks like the POS trucks in one neighbor's driveway, the madrassa down the street, and a few less than well tended yards; but at least no one's telling me I can't have decals on my car or what shrubs I can put in my yard or that my outdoor lights have to match or anything else.

You guys aint seen nothing yet.

Sully Station II just got a a new HOA company - Armstrong - you think CMC was bad just wait till Armstrong gets a hold of your paint chipped house.

The people on the Board now are like HOA Natzi's = they used to run around the neighborhood taking pictures of cars parked illegally and turn them in.

You get what you vote for!

HOAareBAD Wrote:
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> HOA President Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Have you ever driven through neighborhoods that
> > don't have HOA's? You'll see poorly designed
> > construction, terrible exterior colors, boats,
> > RV's, commercial vehicles etc. HOA's protect
> home
> > values and generally make for a more attractive
> > neighborhood. You'll thank us later when you
> sell
> > your home.
>
> Everyone knows why we have HOA's, but most if not
> all are complete assholes about the way they go
> about things. Most things that HOA's complain
> about have no affect on property value, "The color
> of your front door" "That light post is different
> then your neighbors" "Your trash can was out a day
> early/late"
>
> HOA's can do the things you described just show
> some respect and maybe you'll get some back.

Um, yes. I live in Reston which is HOA central. I walk
though the open cesspool called Lake Anne which, is as dumpy and dilapidated as
it gets, on my way to the much more attractive and successful Reston Town Center (which is not part of Reston).

Then there are the slums of south Reston with hideous colors on the falling-apart communes designed by bob simon. he's an old coot now, but even he admits that these cheaper than cheap homes for the mixed masses were disastrous.

The only part of reston that is attractive is the northern part with mostly single family homes and better-built townhouses and architecturally attractive condos. But even there, with the million dollar homes, the dumpy cars clog the cul de sacs and the common areas supposedly maintained by the Reston Association (with it's $300,000 a year bullshitting and self-serving"CEO") fester away with litter, poison ivy and all manner of weeds infesting the not-so-natural areas.

Having pick-ups around take property values down. Personally if I could find any reason to call the association because of one I probably would unless someone was using it for business purposes (which is ironically what is illegal). But I also say yes they certainly should make sure people are not parking in a way that blocks side walks.

twoputtpar Wrote:
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> Why the hell do these pricks enforce something as
> petty as a truck having decals on it and forcing
> the owner to cover them up (making it look awful
> but complying with HOA) but won't enforce things
> that are a serious issue. Every night I see a
> younger male having to have to go out and cover up
> decals on his vehicle but yet they NEVER enforce
> people double parking in their driveways blocking
> the sidewalk which is an actual safety issue.
> This is absolutely ridiculous. Enforce the things
> that will make the community safer for kids and
> residents, not what you can make money off of.

Just wondering is this a bad neighborhood that walking alone in the dark would be a concern there?


Missyc Wrote:
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> Yes! Thank you! I work a variable schedule job and
> sometimes get home late. I live almost the
> furthest you can from Sully Park Drive and most
> nights I have to walk 1/4 mile in the dark to get
> to my house. My husband and I moved in here a year
> ago not even realizing what a mess the parking is
> here. It is hard not to feel animosity toward
> people who have garages and park their car in a
> common space. I have thought a lot about what I
> could do to help solve this situation. Have any of
> you gone to the board? Is there a way to create
> more parking on Belcher farms drive (take out the
> grass dividers and put in parking). Since we just
> moved here, I am unaware of what has already been
> brought up and shot down.
>
> I am more than willing to try and fight this with
> anyone who wants to join me. I understand it was a
> Supreme Court ruling, but there must be some way
> to get around the ruling and make assigned spaces
> not a "license".

People have gone to the board and they basically don't do anything and say their hands are tied.

Recently a bunch of people got together who hated the management company and they practically took over a board meeting. This group of people got what they wanted - but mostly because they basically took over and got elected to the board. They also went around and spread allot of rumors about the previous board, and the management company and tried to ruin their reputation and then went door to door and collected proxy's so only their people could get elected.

If you are serious - get about 20 people to storm a board meeting and do a petition and they will have to do something.

Better yet - there will be 3 people up for election this year.

They should at least look at available land in every section and do a parking study.



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My opinion on this (and I've lived here for some time now) is that local residents and their respective HOA henchman need to back off and yoink the massive bollards from out their own ASSholes. Why can't we be pleasant with eachother and live and let live? I know why: y'all are so upset with your lackluster lives that you need to take it out on everyone else! Unfuckin' real.

katiesmith Wrote:
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> Having pick-ups around take property values down.
> Personally if I could find any reason to call the
> association because of one I probably would unless
> someone was using it for business purposes (which
> is ironically what is illegal). But I also say
> yes they certainly should make sure people are not
> parking in a way that blocks side walks.
>


Wrong. Unless there is a massive parking problem that is very well known in a community something like that would never affect the value of the property. I know this because I am a real estate appraiser.

Temporary things like a car parked a certain way (move the car; solved), grass slightly too long (cut the grass; solved), etc. do not generally affect the value of a property and especially not the properties surrounding it. When I got appraise a place if property A & C haven't mowed their lawn in a few weeks, I don't change the value of property B that is between them.

Don't spread inaccurate information. Lots of homeowners think every little thing their neighbors do affects the value of their home and it simply isn't true. It may affect the impression of the neighborhood to others which could possibly lessen demand which could then possibly make prices naturally lower (simple suppy & demand). But, it certainly won't lower the value of your home if your neighbor has a Ford F150 with a sticker on it. Now, if he has an 18-wheeler, dump truck or RV...that may be different.

HOAs must enforce all rules, by law. There are many rules governing HOAs - local, state and federal (Fair Housing). You may think some of the stuff is trivial or petty, but if the HOA does not enforce its rules then the result can be very costly lawsuits. In the end, the homeowners would have to pay for those suits. You have a choice about where you live. Before you close on a house, you are given a copy of all the rules of the HOA. If you did not get a copy of the rules, then you selected a bad real estate agent.

When it comes time to sell your house, you'll appreciate the fact that the HOA does not allow your neighbors store garbage in their front yards or park their 2-ton work truck in front of their house.

I live in Sully Station and the area off Woodford, Smithwood and Oakmere have the same issues. The garage people take the "open spaces" and leave their driveways clear.Lazy ****S. Currently, the association is targeting the residents on Oakmere Dr only. They cars in the vistors spots on Oakmere and ignore the cars parked in visitor spots on Woodford and Smithwood. We have one (1) garage person has a 2 car garage and 4 vehilces (3 cars and truck). They park two(2) in the driveway and two(2) in open slots.The garage is full of crap!! It is a family of two (2)

That is just an example but it is rappant throughout the neighborhood. I have no issue that because several families have more that 2 drivers in the home. Please be courteous about it. The cars in the open spots sit there for weeks and sometimes a month before they are moved to another open spot.

The association here is actually targeting a street which constitute "HARASSMENT". We have the picures that are date stamped. If they keep harassment up..The lawsuit will be forthcoming...This lawsuit will be totally differnt than the parking issues.

HOA's can be good I have no issues until you start focusing on one thing or area and ignore the other issues. that's when the favoritism start.

We have homeowners and renters...Please remember the renters have the same rights as a homeowner. The renters pay their landlord for those rights.

I am a homeowner and I get disgusted when a fellow homeowner makes a comment like the renters hvae no say..they can park on the street. Idiots...!!!!

I overheard a lady tell a renter that she was having some disagreemnet with one day. To go buy something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That person said something back that was well "to the point"

What she did not know or care to know was that the renter owned (2) homes in another city and had transferred here at the time of the housing market, That person decided to rent both of those homes rather than take a large loss.

Sounds like a brighter person than that lady...........

Only stupid people live in communties governed by HOA's. Therefore HOA's are excellent for maintaining rules and regulations so the ignorant can conduct theirs lives in a orderly fashion. Could you imagine a free society where Americans might have to think for themselves and maintain a home without the advice of others? How Ridiculous.

I must be stupid then, my previous home had no HOA and I had to look at the shithole next door for 10 years

When we bought here we were not told of any lawsuit. We thought we owned the two spaces in front of our house. The ruling is ridiculous. To the assholes who filed the suit: you are subhuman scum that should be taken out. Feeding the lawyers and using the courts like that - hey, you had nothing to lose! The stupid court would not hear that the builder counted the garage and driveway as two spaces - thus the rationale for reserving two spaces for the non-garage homes. Courts do not operate like science - i.e., a rational person. They selectively ignore what they wish.

The gutless HOA has dropped the parking issue. You will get stonewalled.

To the President or whatever you are - I totally do not care about my home value at this point. I'll get more than I put in, and it's worth it to escape this place.

You DONT always have a choice as to where to move, and nobody is going to pore over a hundred page document to see if they agree with the HOA. Nobody is going to do that and you don't expect the HOA to be as fucked up as this one is.

I would fire you all this instant.

For what it is worth I am a garaged-house resident, and I rarely park in the visitor spots. And by rarely I mean only when I get home from work and a neighbor is improperly using my numbered spot. But your section may work differently than mine.

To get the history straight (and remember this was all fifteen or so years ago), the community tried assigning one spot per non-garage townhome as reserved and all the rest were visitor spots. The garage people did not sue at that point. They sued at the point all the non-garagers were upped to two reserved spots, leaving almost zero guest parking for half the community to use even though they are paying for maintenance on the paved areas. Rather than agree to go back to one spot reserved, the non-garagers forced a lawsuit and got the result they did.

As for fairness, your post doesn't include the solutions to some issues - expensive and serious ones - the garagers in the original lawsuit had.

- A garage owner pays expensive real estate tax and homeowner insurance on their parking spot, just as you do on your yard if you have one as a non-garager. Through the whole process _not one_ non-garager offered to let garager kids come play in their yard whenever they wanted, or use their basements for parties because the garagers don't have usable basements.

- If my parking spot gets a crack in it, how much do you pay for that to be fixed? Zero. If a crack develops in your parking spot, I have to pay for that along with everyone else who pays HOA dues.

- The issue of whether someone has crap piled in their garage is none of your business, any more than it is my business if your basement is filled with crap. It is an area inside the house and what goes there (a car, workshop, or just crap) is the decision of the homeowner, not yours. You can't "count" a garage as a parking spot any more than I can count your basement as one.

It wasn't my fault the builders were being dopes when planning the parking, and it wasn't my price to pay. The courts agreed, ruling that community property is community property if everyone is paying the same HOA fees. Dividing it up the way they did was the only fair way to go after the non-garagers forced the question to be answered.

a resident who lived it Wrote:
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> For what it is worth I am a garaged-house
> resident, and I rarely park in the visitor spots.
> And by rarely I mean only when I get home from
> work and a neighbor is improperly using my
> numbered spot. But your section may work
> differently than mine.
>
> To get the history straight (and remember this was
> all fifteen or so years ago), the community tried
> assigning one spot per non-garage townhome as
> reserved and all the rest were visitor spots. The
> garage people did not sue at that point. They
> sued at the point all the non-garagers were upped
> to two reserved spots, leaving almost zero guest
> parking for half the community to use even though
> they are paying for maintenance on the paved
> areas. Rather than agree to go back to one spot
> reserved, the non-garagers forced a lawsuit and
> got the result they did.
>
> As for fairness, your post doesn't include the
> solutions to some issues - expensive and serious
> ones - the garagers in the original lawsuit had.
>
> - A garage owner pays expensive real estate tax
> and homeowner insurance on their parking spot,
> just as you do on your yard if you have one as a
> non-garager. Through the whole process _not one_
> non-garager offered to let garager kids come play
> in their yard whenever they wanted, or use their
> basements for parties because the garagers don't
> have usable basements.
>
> - If my parking spot gets a crack in it, how much
> do you pay for that to be fixed? Zero. If a
> crack develops in your parking spot, I have to pay
> for that along with everyone else who pays HOA
> dues.
>
> - The issue of whether someone has crap piled in
> their garage is none of your business, any more
> than it is my business if your basement is filled
> with crap. It is an area inside the house and
> what goes there (a car, workshop, or just crap) is
> the decision of the homeowner, not yours. You
> can't "count" a garage as a parking spot any more
> than I can count your basement as one.
>
> It wasn't my fault the builders were being dopes
> when planning the parking, and it wasn't my price
> to pay. The courts agreed, ruling that community
> property is community property if everyone is
> paying the same HOA fees. Dividing it up the way
> they did was the only fair way to go after the
> non-garagers forced the question to be answered.

I completely agree with you, I have not been living in Sully Station II for long, to the point I didnt even know about this issue. We bought a house with a garage and we also have a driveway that can fit both our cars, and we were given two visitor parking passes. Do we use them? Yes, sometimes, I use one of them, I have never had the need to use both, it is kind of hard having to move one car or the other so whoever needs to leave can, but we do most of the time.
But if I ever felt the need to use both for whatever reason, that is my right to do so, beucase I pay the exact same amount of money you pay to have those two guest parking spaces, just like I paid more money to have a house with a garage and a driveway. No it doesnt make me and a** to use what I paid for. The problem with people nowadays is that they want others to pay for their benefits, why should I have to pay for your parking space, and not have one for myself, although you paid less money for your house? How does that make sense??
If you cannot afford a house with a garage or a place that has assigned parking, that is "your" problem and you should find a solution for it, not expect me to pay for it.
You are more than welcome to pay half of my HOA every month and you can use one of my guest parkin passes, I would even agree for them to give you an assigned space if it comes down to it, but you will have to pay more money in order for me to loose on of my guest passes.

It isn't our fault, either, that the builders were being dopes. So you're saying if I had "my" two spaces back, you'd somehow be paying for them? Fine ! We'll prorate your HOA fees! And yes, your area works differently from ours.

I did not mention crap in your garage (as opposed to a vehicle). You brought that to the thread. Guilty conscience??

Commercial vehicles are a sign of non-professional residents. No HOA wants low class residents.

I think you are full of it commercial vehicles are a sign of intelligence saying they have a real job!!!! and they are not low class residents you are a definite LOSER!!!