On Saturday women's groups from around Virginia protested the republican agenda to outlaw birth control.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA0IS_Ise2s&feature=youtu.be

Eh, looks to me like the police officers acted with the utmost respect and civility. The person who shot the video was looking to make some sensationalist statement, but all I got from it was that a bunch of malcontents and miscreants ignored police directions and requests. After it became apparent that the malcontents did not want to live under the same rules of the rest of society, they were politely escorted away from the scene. Not really a big deal in my mind. Why did the protesters ignore the simple and peaceful request of the police? Did their statement make that much more of an impact sitting on the steps of the Capitol versus being 20 feet away? Were they not content enough blocking traffic?

Hand Jive: You have GOT to be kidding or do you just hate women like the rest of the males in Virginia? I think you should be spending the rest of your life with your "hand".These people have every right to be in the citizens house, the Capitol is what we pay taxes for and the fact that McDonnell is a facist pig doesn't change that- the previous democratic governors would have NEVER done this crap.

januy Wrote:
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> Hand Jive: You have GOT to be kidding or do you
> just hate women like the rest of the males in
> Virginia? I think you should be spending the rest
> of your life with your "hand".These people have
> every right to be in the citizens house, the
> Capitol is what we pay taxes for and the fact that
> McDonnell is a facist pig doesn't change that- the
> previous democratic governors would have NEVER
> done this crap.


Incorrect. They have every right to protest outside of it which they were allowed too. There is no right to blocking entrances and trying to disrupt the daily business sitting on the front steps arms locked. They knew they would be removed from the steps which is why they did that with cameras rolling. If they want to show up every day and stand across the street protesting by all means go for it.

How is McDonnell opposed to birth control (contraceptives, like the pill, patch, implant, nuvaring, etc.)?

I see that he's anti-abortion, but if you're seriously using abortion as your "birth control", you've got other issues you need to deal with first...

ya rly Wrote:
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> How is McDonnell opposed to birth control
> (contraceptives, like the pill, patch, implant,
> nuvaring, etc.)?
>
> I see that he's anti-abortion, but if you're
> seriously using abortion as your "birth control",
> you've got other issues you need to deal with
> first...

You hit the nail on the head. These women are just looking for something
to protest and telling lies is part of their game.

Males in Virginia love women. They are great for sex and cooking.

januy Wrote:
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> Hand Jive: You have GOT to be kidding or do you
> just hate women like the rest of the males in
> Virginia? I think you should be spending the rest
> of your life with your "hand".These people have
> every right to be in the citizens house, the
> Capitol is what we pay taxes for and the fact that
> McDonnell is a facist pig doesn't change that- the
> previous democratic governors would have NEVER
> done this crap.

Actually, what is sexist is assuming that I am a man. These individuals do not speak for me. I would never associate myself with someone who would blatently disobey a lawful and respectful police request. Given the malcontents cavalier attitude, resistance, and ignoring of reasonable requests, they should not be taken seriously. There are legal, appropriate, and respectful ways to make a point. As the above poster indicated, they have no right to block entrances and create potential fire hazards.

Your tax argument is extremely weak. We pay taxes that pay for the White House. Should I be able to block the steps there? We pay taxes for certain medical procedures. Should I be able to sit in on them because my tax dollars are paying for it? We pay tax dollars for schools, should I just be able to wander around them whenever I feel like it?

ya rly Wrote:
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> How is McDonnell opposed to birth control
> (contraceptives, like the pill, patch, implant,
> nuvaring, etc.)?
>
> I see that he's anti-abortion, but if you're
> seriously using abortion as your "birth control",
> you've got other issues you need to deal with
> first...


Thank you for having common sense. Theres a huge difference between abortion and contraceptives, well I guess to some people its all the same. If you listen to the protestors you would think theyre trying to ban it all together which NO one is trying to do.

I find it funny that in one of the first debates of the GOP primary George Stephanopoulos kept asking Mitt Romney over and over if he would ban contraceptives and then a month later we get the attempt to force it on the churches. But even then no one is trying to ban it, just saying that the churches have the right to say no, those women are still free to get it elsewhere.

It's the goal of the republican christian right to eliminate birth control, make everybody attend church and pray to god.

The idea comes from the Catholic church that outlaws birth control. The reason is the Catholic and Mormon churches want more parishioners so they can get more money on the collection plate.

Like this crazy family.
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ERA Now! Wrote:
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> On Saturday women's groups from around Virginia
> protested the republican agenda to outlaw birth
> control.

Outlaw birth control? Can you be any more hysterical? Nice marketing there...

snowdenscold Wrote:
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> ERA Now! Wrote:
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> > On Saturday women's groups from around Virginia
> > protested the republican agenda to outlaw birth
> > control.
>
> Outlaw birth control? Can you be any more
> hysterical? Nice marketing there...

The Catholic Church has said since its very beginning that using any form of birth control was wrong. Birth control was known at least since the times of the ancient Greeks and Romans. During these days birth control came in the form of animal skin condoms and various poisons to be used as spermicides.

The first mention of the ban on birth control was in Genesis 38:8-10. In this story, Onan is ordered to sleep with his brother's widow. He "pulled out" to not get her pregnant. Poor Onan was slain as a result. Death is a pretty serious penalty, there isn't much more aggressive you could get in the prevention of birth control.

The next mention of birth control being wrong is in Deuteronomy 23:1. It says "He whose testicles are crushed or whose male member is cut off shall not enter the assembly of the Lord." Both crushing testicles and cutting off a male's private parts were effective ways of sterilization. Luckily we don't do things like that any more. Still, the Bible is making it clear that a male who tries to practice birth control can't get into Heaven, period. There's no asking for forgiveness.

This anti birth control message is reiterated many times in subsequent years by Catholic church leaders. Clement of Alexandria (AD195) says, "Because of its divine institution for the propagation of man, the seed is not to be vainly ejaculated, nor is it to be damaged, nor is it to be wasted". This brings to mind the "Every Sperm is Sacred" song from Monty Python's "The Meaning of Life" movie. You can find the messages against birth control over and over again through the Catholic Church's history. Believers are told to receive every new life as a gift from God. They should not abstain, they should not withdraw, they should not take other preventative measures. They should actively seek to have as many children as possible.

This of course makes sense from a logical point of view. The more children that Catholic families have, the more Catholics there are to spread that way of life and to pay the church's tithes.

DrNO Wrote:
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> snowdenscold Wrote:
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> > ERA Now! Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > On Saturday women's groups from around
> Virginia
> > > protested the republican agenda to outlaw
> birth
> > > control.
> >
> > Outlaw birth control? Can you be any more
> > hysterical? Nice marketing there...
>
> The Catholic Church has said since its very
> beginning that using any form of birth control was
> wrong. Birth control was known at least since the
> times of the ancient Greeks and Romans. During
> these days birth control came in the form of
> animal skin condoms and various poisons to be used
> as spermicides.
>
> The first mention of the ban on birth control was
> in Genesis 38:8-10. In this story, Onan is ordered
> to sleep with his brother's widow. He "pulled out"
> to not get her pregnant. Poor Onan was slain as a
> result. Death is a pretty serious penalty, there
> isn't much more aggressive you could get in the
> prevention of birth control.
>
> The next mention of birth control being wrong is
> in Deuteronomy 23:1. It says "He whose testicles
> are crushed or whose male member is cut off shall
> not enter the assembly of the Lord." Both crushing
> testicles and cutting off a male's private parts
> were effective ways of sterilization. Luckily we
> don't do things like that any more. Still, the
> Bible is making it clear that a male who tries to
> practice birth control can't get into Heaven,
> period. There's no asking for forgiveness.
>
> This anti birth control message is reiterated many
> times in subsequent years by Catholic church
> leaders. Clement of Alexandria (AD195) says,
> "Because of its divine institution for the
> propagation of man, the seed is not to be vainly
> ejaculated, nor is it to be damaged, nor is it to
> be wasted". This brings to mind the "Every Sperm
> is Sacred" song from Monty Python's "The Meaning
> of Life" movie. You can find the messages against
> birth control over and over again through the
> Catholic Church's history. Believers are told to
> receive every new life as a gift from God. They
> should not abstain, they should not withdraw, they
> should not take other preventative measures. They
> should actively seek to have as many children as
> possible.
>
> This of course makes sense from a logical point of
> view. The more children that Catholic families
> have, the more Catholics there are to spread that
> way of life and to pay the church's tithes.


Can you show me the article where the pope was selected as head of the RNC?

soooo republicans are opposed to contraceptives, thats what this bill is about-a womans right to have contraceptives provided by her insurance coverage, Republicans object to the idea that a woman could have birth control pills(not even for contraception, 30% use it to regulate or reduce cycles or other health benefits), because their employer may or may not have some problem with that? Considering 99% of all American women, thank GOD, practice some kind of contraception, this is a loser for Republicans, who reproduce like rabbits (Santorum, Romney), and are huge hypocrites after they are born. Republicans also SUCK in parenting.And for the pompous asses (male) who think they have anything to say about it- F-you (but not literally, gross)

Republicans have always tried outlaw gay marriage, abortion and birth control. They also want everybody in America to worship a christian god.

At least Santorum openly admits he is on a religious agenda.

Okay, so aside from all the blather about how bad the Catholic Church and Republicans are, does McDonnell actually want to make it illegal for women to get contraceptives?

I went onto a few left-wing hysteria blogs to take a look at the accusations against him, and it looks like he voted in 2006 (I think) against a bill that would have allowed pharmacists to dispense emergency contraception to women without needing a specific prescription, using an existing authorization from a physician or other individual licensed to prescribe medication.

The bill in question did not make it illegal to prescribe or dispense contraception, including emergency contraception, with a valid prescription.

I'm just trying to see through the hype and sensationalism to what he actually voted on. I'm sick of all this hearsay crap. Provide a link to the bill(s) and/or proposal(s) that give concrete evidence of McDonnell's stance or STFU.

Straight from Rick Santorum!

We neec more women in office
NOW

DrNO Wrote:
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> Still, the
> Bible is making it clear that a male who tries to
> practice birth control can't get into Heaven,
> period. There's no asking for forgiveness.
>
Absolutely false. Did Onan sin by not continuing on his brother's line as was required of him? (a cultural situation we don't even really have now) Yes. Practicing birth control equaling denial into heaven? No.

Access to heaven comes through an imputation of Christ's righteousness onto the believer through faith.

grow up Wrote:
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> We neec more women in office
> NOW


Women vote/legislate in a very short-sighted, maternal way. We really don't need any more women in positions of power.

Nancy. Wrote:
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> grow up Wrote:
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> > We neec more women in office
> > NOW
>
>
> Women vote/legislate in a very short-sighted,
> maternal way. We really don't need any more women
> in positions of power.

Not to mention the ridiculous catty backstabbing. Nothing would ever get accomplished - they'd be too busy plotting each others' downfall.

Let's get the facts right. Republicans don't want to ban birth control. They just don't feel that everyone should have to pay for it through an unconstitutional "mandate". Some of those on the side of Obama are now saying employers should also cover sex changes as well. When does it end?!

I see some uneducated pmsing bitches get their 'news' from msnbc......

Just because I feel no need to subsidize everyone else's birth control doesnt make me anti-choice. But I am entertained by the lib propaganda, lies, and distortion.

whereas the propaganda lies and distortion put out by the anti-choice ppl are not that entertaining at all :(
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LOVE MSNBC- for the men who "don't want to subsidize contraception", recommend a literacy test for viagra, that will do you in.

I'm a republican and proud of it. Family, faith and god are what's going right in America.

Liberals want you to believe that you can have sex outside of marriage and that abortion and birth control are fine. Well they are not. Sex and your body are not amusement parks.

I support McDonnell and Santorum on their tough stands on against abortion and contraceptions.

Satan is out there and he will destroy America if we do not act save the country.

Lisa is clearly a troll looking for a response. Sex is an amusement park if you do it right.

Okay, does the bill as it currently stands require the government to subsidize birth control, or is this still about one of the policies in Obama's healthcare reform plan that requires employers to cover the cost of contraceptives?

I'm having a hard time seeing through all the steaming brown FUD on this particular issue.

Last I read on this, the issue was still about requiring employers (or at the very least, insurance companies) cover the cost of contraceptives. This doesn't have anything to do with using taxpayer dollars to pay for BC...

Also, this whole Sandra Fluke thing has gotten completely blown out of proportion. I read the transcript on what Rush Limbaugh was saying, and he does have a point - if you're breaking the bank just to keep from getting pregnant, you might want to reevaluate your sexual habits and figure out if maybe you're banging everything that moves to ignore a bigger issue in your life (whatever that issue may be).

Birth control pills can be had for as little as $5 a month without insurance, due to the fact that basic hormonal contraceptives are all out of patent and available as generics from any reputable pharmacy.

As anyone with an oops baby or an incurable STD knows, there are plenty of consequences that come with having sex irresponsibly. If you can't float $5 a month for the pill, you probably need to deal with your glaring financial problems before you open your legs again.

ya rly Wrote:
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> Last I read on this, the issue was still about
> requiring employers (or at the very least,
> insurance companies) cover the cost of
> contraceptives. This doesn't have anything to do
> with using taxpayer dollars to pay for BC...

The issue isnt with employers, people are fine with that. Its with requring religious organizations/schools ect to provide it despite being against the religion. Religions do however allow for it to be covered if its being prescribed for tumors or health reasons and not just bc but no one cares to mention that.

> Also, this whole Sandra Fluke thing has gotten
> completely blown out of proportion. I read the
> transcript on what Rush Limbaugh was saying, and
> he does have a point - if you're breaking the bank
> just to keep from getting pregnant, you might want
> to reevaluate your sexual habits and figure out if
> maybe you're banging everything that moves to
> ignore a bigger issue in your life (whatever that
> issue may be).
>
> Birth control pills can be had for as little as $5
> a month without insurance, due to the fact that
> basic hormonal contraceptives are all out of
> patent and available as generics from any
> reputable pharmacy.
>
> As anyone with an oops baby or an incurable STD
> knows, there are plenty of consequences that come
> with having sex irresponsibly. If you can't float
> $5 a month for the pill, you probably need to deal
> with your glaring financial problems before you
> open your legs again.

She knew the policy going in and her whole goal is to get it changed and she just doesnt care about the first amendment. She also has written articles that its discrimination to not cover sex changes. Shes just trying to achieve an end goal and intentionally chose somewhere she could go so that it would be an issue and she could make an issue out of it. Nothing in her testimony was factually true but unfortunately some clueless people are eating it up hook line and sinker.

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I bet their husbands, if they have one, are the most PWed in the state.

This just in! Sandra Fluke is a man!
Details as they become available.

do as I say Wrote:
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> I bet their husbands, if they have one, are the
> most PWed in the state.

No doubt.

Liberal "men" are the biggest pussies in the country.