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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: April 27, 2008 07:59PM

In the US, 442,000 peoples die a year from tobacco use, 43,450 from car accidents, 85,000 people from related to alcohol but not AR-crashes, 30,000 from suicides, 20,000 from Homicides, and 17,000 from illegal drug use.

Data from US natl center for health stats, CDC, and US surgeon general

Obvioulsy, we should ban cars becuase they are a large cause of death.

In the world, 5 million people die of tobacco use in a year. That is equal to 34 fully-loaded Boeing 747's crashing EVERY day of the year. Meanwhile, 3 million peopel die from AIDS every year (21 747's) and 2 million die from diarrhea. (14 747's)

The reason for the 747 stats is because the media cover only certain stories, giving peopel a distorted view of the largest annual causes of death.

Data from the WHO



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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: April 27, 2008 08:10PM

KeepOnTruckin,
   thanks for posting those stats. not to sounds like a nationalist or anything but what are those same stats only for the US?


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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: April 27, 2008 08:56PM

Gonna have to bust out my trusty slide rule for this one.

Assuming a 747 holds 400 people, and 365 days in a year,

Thats 1211 people per day from tobacco or 3 747's

For all illegal drugs, thats 46.5 peopel per day. (0.1 747's)

Car accidents; 108 people per day. actually, the national average is 115 people a day, thats 0.2 747's.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 27, 2008 10:50PM

Nice bunch of facts. Given we arent about to outlaw air travel..cars..tobacco..why should drugs be illegal?

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: April 28, 2008 12:32AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Nice bunch of facts. Given we arent about to
> outlaw air travel..cars..tobacco..why should drugs
> be illegal?


the same reason that owning a gun is legal but putting a bullet in your head is not legal. it's all for you vince, all for you.


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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 28, 2008 06:59AM

lol...checkmate...now isnt that a perfect example of an ineffective law...dead as a door and under arrest! And yet it is a perfect example of what I am talking about...the law isnt meant for the person who suceeds putting a bullet in their head but the one who fails. And do they put them in prison? No..they evaluate their mental state and get them the psyciatric help they need. That dear Gravis is called rehabilitation.

Now if you want to discuss that people should have the right for assisted suicide...bring it on! My motto is "Let's Go Dutch!"



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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: April 28, 2008 07:22PM

Vince, your arguments make less and less sense everyday. seriously, your last two posts are non-sequiturs.


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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: April 29, 2008 07:04AM

Let's see...youre arresting people with bullets in their heads and I'm not making sense?



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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: April 29, 2008 08:36PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Let's see...youre arresting people with bullets in
> their heads and I'm not making sense?


wow... i didnt think someone could get that wrong but you did. my point was that it's a dumb idea and nobody sane would do it.


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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 01, 2008 02:53PM

I guess we are supposed to read your mind....I would never guess as to what point you are trying to make...most the time you have no point...you just criticise without offering any substantive point of view.

Going back and reading it again...I cant figure out what the heck your point is...

My point...the money spent enforcing drug laws is a waste of money and ineffective. Regulation...education...rehabilitation is the only way to go to protect the public and control the recurrence of such sad cases....which by the way, you could care less about solving. As long as it doesnt impact Gravis's world you appear to have very little empathy to the problem. You must be a sheer joy to be around at the dinner table with the family.



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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: TheRoommate ()
Date: May 02, 2008 06:39PM

I must admit that reading through this thread was a completely draining process. I went to treatment with Alicia 3 months before her passing for 7 weeks - she was my roommate. I came to know her and love her more than words could ever say. Her family did everything they could possibly do and MORE. Alicia really wanted this deal called "recovery" - she was one of the hardest workers around addiction issues while we were in treatment. I talked to her a few times since she was out and she was struggling but seemed to be hanging in there. Unfortunately, all of us from treatment are so far away from eachother that even with talking to her just a few nights before her passing, her OD caught us all off-guard.
I think it's fine to discuss your opinions around the drug problem ... but don't touch Alicia. She was a beautiful woman with such potential and the disease of addiction took her life. Those of who who really know and love her will forever treasure her.
Speaking for myself and many others...Alicia, I loved you. You changed my life and I think about you every day. Some days are harder than others - like today, where I cried for a couple of hours - but I know you're in a Better Place and I'll see you again someday. I'm fighting this disease of addiction in my life for YOU today. The best way I can honor you and your life today is to not use in any way myself. I love you.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Glaciers ()
Date: May 02, 2008 06:46PM

lies

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: TheRoommate ()
Date: May 02, 2008 11:31PM

What is "lies" ?

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 03, 2008 09:21AM

Quote

lie (lī)
intr.v.   lay (lā), lain (lān), ly·ing (lī'ĭng), lies

   1. To be or place oneself at rest in a flat, horizontal, or recumbent position; recline: He lay under a tree to sleep.
   2. To be placed on or supported by a surface that is usually horizontal: Dirty dishes lay on the table. See Usage Note at lay1.
   3. To be or remain in a specified condition: The dust has lain undisturbed for years. He lay sick in bed.
   4.
         1. To exist; reside: Our sympathies lie with the plaintiff.
         2. To consist or have as a basis. Often used with in: The strength of his performance lies in his training.
   5. To occupy a position or place: The lake lies beyond this hill.
   6. To extend: Our land lies between these trees and the river.
   7. To be buried in a specified place.
   8. Law To be admissible or maintainable.
   9. Archaic To stay for a night or short while.


n.  

   1. The manner or position in which something is situated.
   2. A haunt or hiding place of an animal.
   3. Sports The position of a golf ball that has come to a stop.
   4. To be decided by, dependent on, or up to: The choice lies with you.
   5. Archaic To have sexual intercourse with.


Phrasal Verb(s):
lie down
To do little or nothing: He's lying down on the job.
lie in
To be in confinement for childbirth.
lie to Nautical
To remain stationary while facing the wind.
lie with

   1. To be decided by, dependent on, or up to: The choice lies with you.
   2. Archaic To have sexual intercourse with.


Idiom(s):
lie/lay low

   1. To keep oneself or one's plans hidden.
   2. To bide one's time but remain ready for action.


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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: TheRoommate ()
Date: May 04, 2008 03:22AM

I know what the definition of the word "lie" is ... my question was more directed towards what part of what I wrote did you consider "lies" ....

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 04, 2008 05:33AM

TheRoommate Wrote:
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> I know what the definition of the word "lie" is
> ... my question was more directed towards what
> part of what I wrote did you consider "lies" ....


file.php?2,file=691
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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 04, 2008 02:51PM

Roommate...you are expected to read his mind!

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: somebodywhocares ()
Date: May 05, 2008 06:17AM

Thank you roomate..for honoring Alicia..continue to fight your addiction in her honor. For God sake.... live your life and pay no attention to the complete no life empty headed Gravis, who continues to just fill this blog site with negative energy. gravis, Don't you have anything better to do than to insert pictures, do you really think you are funny? you are pathetic, i hope you remember what you have been doing on this site, one day when one of your close friends or a family member dies. Just remember Gravis..Karma is gonna find you.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 05, 2008 06:51AM

somebodywhocares Wrote:
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> Thank you roomate..for honoring Alicia..continue
> to fight your addiction in her honor. For God
> sake.... live your life and pay no attention to
> the complete no life empty headed Gravis, who
> continues to just fill this blog site with
> negative energy. gravis, Don't you have anything
> better to do than to insert pictures, do you
> really think you are funny? you are pathetic, i
> hope you remember what you have been doing on this
> site, one day when one of your close friends or a
> family member dies. Just remember Gravis..Karma
> is gonna find you.


negative energy? karma? LOL! if those were real, karma owes me big time for how much ive been screwed over.

that only leave some thing...
file.php?2,file=2813
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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 05, 2008 06:59AM

well...well...well....Gravis has been screwed over so many times that he now has the right to be cynical and apparently lacking in human compassion. Write a book...see your shrink...hell, tell us all about it if you want. But do whatever you need to GET OVET IT! It's killing you inside.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 05, 2008 12:24PM

vince,
file.php?2,file=2813
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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: watchyourback ()
Date: May 05, 2008 04:32PM

So tormenting and talking about a girl who has passed away is the only way you have to deal with how many times you have been fucked over!! no wonder you have been fucked over so much..you get what you put out Gravis! Get a Life and tons of therapy! Isn't there another site, you can utilized your amateur graffiti on!

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 05, 2008 04:51PM

watchyourback Wrote:
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> no wonder you have been fucked over so much..you get
> what you put out Gravis!


no, i only became so cynical after really being screwed by the cops because that's when i realized how fucked up the legal system has become. before that, i put up with a lot of shit getting screwed over by others without due cause. the only thing i did was not fit into what they considered the norm. lately the world has ok for me, nothing crazy fantastic. according to your logic i should have been some evil person then and im a good person now. does that seem right to you? the answer is no, it's just how life is, some people get screwed others dont. so this girl im "tormenting" (she's fucking dead, retard) must have been some demon according to your karma bullshit. i guess she's burning in hell then.


> Get a Life and tons of
> therapy! Isn't there another site, you can
> utilized your amateur graffiti on!


file.php?2,file=1847
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540



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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: mOOTA ()
Date: May 05, 2008 05:27PM

At least dying rids the gene pool of people stupid enough to overdose. Everyone knows drugs are dangerous; education is hardly the issue here. The issue is stupidity and hey what the hell, let them die. No one's sticking a needle into their arms and pumping the heroin in.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 05, 2008 05:36PM

mOOTA Wrote:
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> At least dying rids the gene pool of people stupid
> enough to overdose. Everyone knows drugs are
> dangerous; education is hardly the issue here.
> The issue is stupidity and hey what the hell, let
> them die. No one's sticking a needle into their
> arms and pumping the heroin in.


+50


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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: TheRoommate ()
Date: May 07, 2008 02:52AM

mOOTA Wrote:
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> At least dying rids the gene pool of people stupid
> enough to overdose. Everyone knows drugs are
> dangerous; education is hardly the issue here.
> The issue is stupidity and hey what the hell, let
> them die. No one's sticking a needle into their
> arms and pumping the heroin in.

You know...this is an opinionated issue.
In my opinion.
Addiction is a disease.
Similar to cancer.
It's progressive.
It's chronic.
It has symptoms.
And it can be FATAL unless treated.
Even with treatment...
Death can occur.

Alicia died from this disease.
She was blinded by the addiction.
She was no longer choosing that.
IT CHOSE HER.
She fought long.
She fought hard.
And she won for many days.
But in the end.
Addiction took her life.

Love you, Alicia. I know you tried, baby, I know you did.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: somebodywhocares ()
Date: May 07, 2008 06:16AM

Roomate,

People with intelligence and knowledge understand that this is a disease. You speak the truth. Never let ignorant people like the negative and bitter get to you. Keep walking the line and never forget Alicia. There is no other pain than loosing someone like Alicia in your life. Don't let this happen to anyone in your life. Keep your eyes open to what is going on around you and tell someone if you know they are doing this drug. Do the right thing in her honor and live a well balanced life. It is worth it and she would have wanted that for you.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 07, 2008 06:52AM

mOOTA Wrote:
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> At least dying rids the gene pool of people stupid
> enough to overdose. Everyone knows drugs are
> dangerous; education is hardly the issue here.
> The issue is stupidity and hey what the hell, let
> them die. No one's sticking a needle into their
> arms and pumping the heroin in.


You and gravis belong in a special place in hell! I am told that I take things on this BB too seriously...but when I see remarks like yours I really can't believe there are people so cruel hearted.

You say people are stupid to overdose...the problem is they very often have no idea how strong the dose they are taking is...thus it is an accidental overdose.

Yes...drug addiction...alcoholism and other addictions are diseases. And if this society put the health and safety of our children first most drugs would be legal and we would regulate...educate...tax and rehabilitate those who are involved and addicts. Instead...we would rather imprison our youth or see them die.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: May 07, 2008 09:02AM

As Niedameir would say: "Drug addicts are worthless and weak. Now drop and give me 20"

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: DeathByCop ()
Date: May 07, 2008 09:12AM

Hey Vince, that makes a great new drug plan slogan: "Regulate...Educate...Tax and Rehabilitate!!" It will go great w/ "2...4...6...8...Who do we appreciate?"
"Drug addicts,Drug addicts...Go...drug addicts!" So much better than Nancy's lame "Just say no" slogan, don't you think?


Vince(1) Wrote:
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> mOOTA Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > At least dying rids the gene pool of people
> stupid
> > enough to overdose. Everyone knows drugs are
> > dangerous; education is hardly the issue here.
> > The issue is stupidity and hey what the hell,
> let
> > them die. No one's sticking a needle into
> their
> > arms and pumping the heroin in.
>
>
> You and gravis belong in a special place in hell!
> I am told that I take things on this BB too
> seriously...but when I see remarks like yours I
> really can't believe there are people so cruel
> hearted.
>
> You say people are stupid to overdose...the
> problem is they very often have no idea how strong
> the dose they are taking is...thus it is an
> accidental overdose.
>
> Yes...drug addiction...alcoholism and other
> addictions are diseases. And if this society put
> the health and safety of our children first most
> drugs would be legal and we would
> regulate...educate...tax and rehabilitate those
> who are involved and addicts. Instead...we would
> rather imprison our youth or see them die.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: what ()
Date: May 07, 2008 10:24AM

Yes, you're all correct, drug addiction is a disease just like cancer. Nothing beats waking up in the morning and saying to myself "Man, I feel like experiencing a high. Let me inject myself with cells that possess uncontrolled growth".

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 07, 2008 12:24PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Yes...drug addiction...alcoholism and other
> addictions are diseases.

diseases are not chosen, this was.


> And if this society put
> the health and safety of our children first most
> drugs would be legal and we would
> regulate...educate...tax and rehabilitate those
> who are involved and addicts. Instead...we would
> rather imprison our youth or see them die.


she JUST got out of rehab the previous day! it would appear your plan failed.


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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: somebodywhocares ()
Date: May 07, 2008 04:32PM

Gravis...dipshit, you who think you know every fucking thing...your facts are wrong..she didn't get out of rehab and die the next day, she was out on 1/25 and died March 5th. You who know nothing and feel nothing and obvisously connect to know one. I feel sorry for you because you are a pathetic exscuse for a human. Nothing to do all day but write things you know nothing about and a person you didn't even know, only her family and good friends understand this very sad case about this beautiful girl. Keep writing dumb dumb, with each writing you get dumber and dumber!

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 07, 2008 08:09PM

somebodywhocares Wrote:
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> she didn't
> get out of rehab and die the next day, she was out
> on 1/25 and died March 5th.


i stand corrected.


> You who know nothing
> and feel nothing and obvisously connect to know
> one.


damn, you found me out!

file.php?2,file=2832> I feel sorry for you because you are a
> pathetic exscuse for a human. Nothing to do all
> day but write things you know nothing about and a
> person you didn't even know, only her family and
> good friends understand this very sad case about
> this beautiful girl. Keep writing dumb dumb,
> with each writing you get dumber and dumber!


it seems i have another fan. is somebody going to start a fan club for me or something?




my point remains, rehab didnt work. she would still be alive if she had been thrown in jail. :(


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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: TheRoommate ()
Date: May 20, 2008 01:32AM

Sometimes treatment helps.
Sometimes it doesn't.
Either way...
It can only HELP.
Treatment is never a "cure-all."
She worked so hard for this.
In treatment.
And out.
THIS being sobriety.
Recovery.
Life BEYOND using.
Every addict gets a "dry"/"clean" date.
Some just ...
Have to die to keep it.
It's a sad fact.
But we can all learn from this.
She is BEAUTIFUL.
And she lives on BEAUTIFULLY.
In each of us that live on sober.

I love you Alicia.
I know you tried, baby, I know you tried.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: May 20, 2008 08:40AM

TheRoommate Wrote:
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> Sometimes treatment helps.
> Sometimes it doesn't.
> Either way...
> It can only HELP.
> Treatment is never a "cure-all."
> She worked so hard for this.
> In treatment.
> And out.
> THIS being sobriety.
> Recovery.
> Life BEYOND using.
> Every addict gets a "dry"/"clean" date.
> Some just ...
> Have to die to keep it.
> It's a sad fact.
> But we can all learn from this.
> She is BEAUTIFUL.
> And she lives on BEAUTIFULLY.
> In each of us that live on sober.
>
> I love you Alicia.
> I know you tried, baby, I know you tried.

So beautiful, so poignant, so...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: thefriend ()
Date: May 26, 2008 07:02PM

"theroommate" is right. She worked SO hard. I remember waking up at 5:30 am to go to meetings together, God I remember so much. She went through so much. She was an amazing person. Hearing of her death was absolutely awful. Telling "theroommate" was awful, we still think of her. We all continue working for recovery, not only for ourselves but also for Alicia.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: noone ()
Date: May 27, 2008 11:00AM

Alicia was not at a party when she died. She was alone. Please do not post things that you do not know. And with those quotes you are portraying the worser side of her.. you probably didn't even know her..

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: A broken hearted parent ()
Date: August 13, 2008 12:57AM

Are you fuckin' crazy?

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: not a problem ()
Date: August 13, 2008 02:09AM

I don't think herorin is a big problem at Westfield. I went there for 4 years and never knew anyone that did it, never saw anyone doing it, and never even heard anyone talk about doing it. Marijuana, on the other hand, is a completely different story...

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: WOW ()
Date: August 13, 2008 11:11AM

not a problem Wrote:
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> I don't think herorin is a big problem at
> Westfield. I went there for 4 years and never
> knew anyone that did it, never saw anyone doing
> it, and never even heard anyone talk about doing
> it. Marijuana, on the other hand, is a completely
> different story...

ou are what's wrong with our youth, um maybe things have changed since the half a decade or so that you attended. All that marijuana you smoked obviously ahs had a negative affect on your ability to reason, and make any kind of cense.

JUST SAY NO!!!!

A death, an almost death, drug raids and arrest = A HUGE PROBLEM!!!!

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: wtf? ()
Date: September 05, 2008 09:34AM

I hope that everyone talking shit on here about what they don't know and saying that alicia won't be missed burns in hell. Do you realize how fucked up it is to get on a thread and insult someone's family and friends after they lose her? I don't understand why you sick fucks go out of your way to get on a thread where people are talking about alicia and start insulting her. I suppose you just assume drug addicts don't have emotions or care about anything and that no one cares about them? Well you can all go fuck yourselves.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: September 05, 2008 10:13AM

" I suppose you just assume drug addicts don't have emotions or care about anything and that no one cares about them? Well you can all go fuck yourselves."

I don't assume that at all. Drug addicts care. They care about where they will get their next fix from.



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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: September 05, 2008 08:45PM

I'm hanging with a drug addict as we speak, and she's high, and I do not believe she can feel emotions, so I would have to say, yes, I believe that.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: vapreneur ()
Date: September 05, 2008 08:50PM

stay away from heroine and those hardcore drugs

stick to weed, keep it organic

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: September 06, 2008 08:35AM

stop posting vapreneur. Your are dumber than a box of hammers.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: SHaZbOt ()
Date: September 06, 2008 03:38PM

heroin and cocaine are both organic. actually im not sure about heroin but coke is

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: omg ()
Date: September 07, 2008 01:40AM

i didnt know so many people did this drug! crazy stuff

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: JustPassingThrough ()
Date: October 29, 2008 11:08PM

I was looking for something else when I found this story. I think it is sad just how callous many folks are on a forum where they think they'll be anonymous.

What is the solution to the heroin problem? I wonder if this woman started out using something like Oxycontin then graduated to heroin. Frankly,it is scary just how many teens are using Oxycontin out there-and for that matter how many addicts there are who addicted to prescription narcotics(at least at first) and don't think of themselves as addicts.

I'm not sure what the solution is here. I don't think that just punishing addicts is the solution. I think stuff like ibogaine(an anti-addiction drug) is interesting. What I tend to think is that a lot more experimentation at the state level might help here. I can imagine legalization working some places-and a serious crackdown(ala singapore) working elsewhere.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: October 30, 2008 10:15AM

In my youth, I liked to drink.

I'm not talking about having a beer or two after work, I'm talking about killing the biggest bottle of Everclear I could find on the weekend. I never beat my woman or got busted for DUI or anything like that, but I drank. And drank. And drank. I drank at home, I drank at bars, I drank at work. I drank so much, I had an alcohol withdrawal seizure. I drank so much, I was eventually sent to rehab.

While in rehab, they told me that I had a disease called Alcoholism, and that I needed to admit to myself that I was completely powerless over my disease. I went to AA. I had to admit that I was unable to control my drinking, and that for the rest of my life, I could never touch a drop of alcohol because of my horrible, wretched, cursed disease called addiction. I was an addict. I needed Jesus. Most importantly, I needed to keep going to AA and getting my coins. I could never be cured of my disease, I could only manage it.

Two weeks into the whole thing, I thought, "this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard." I could go to three AA meetings a day, seven days a week, and ultimately, the only thing that's going to prevent me from drinking heavily is my decision to not go to the store, buy a bottle of alcohol, take it back to my place, open it, pour it into a glass, add mixer, drink it, and repeat the last four steps over and over again.

Similarly, you make a choice every step of the way to get some cash, go to a dealer, go wherever, put it on a spoon, take a lighter to it, pull it into a syringe, and inject it into your arm. The only thing that's going to stop you is deciding that you would rather live a healthy, productive life instead of throwing it away.

Yes, there needs to be treatment for addiction. It's good that there are support groups and rehab facilities. But chances are, not taking personal accountability for your actions is what led to your poor choices anyway, and the things in your life only have whatever power you give them. Nobody is ever powerless unless they choose to be. I've had friends piss their lives away on drugs, and they always have something external to blame for it.

All that aside, I'm sorry your friend Alicia killed herself. Seriously.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/30/2008 10:16AM by MrMephisto.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: FFxTeacher ()
Date: November 20, 2008 11:09AM

My thoughts and prayers go out to the family of young lady who lost her life. However, based upon what seems apparent, this is a girl who had quite the reputation for partying. At some point we need to look at the parents of these childen. Why are high school students using alcohol, drugs, being promiscuous, staying out all night? Don't parents look at their kids' facebook/myspace pages? These Fairfax County parents made a decision years ago to have children. They need to step up and start being real parents -- establishing and enforcing rules, rather than trying to be a friend.

If you're the parent of a teen you need to know how they spend their weekends. You need to know what type of friends they hang out with. These kids who are being arrested have something else in common -- parents who have failed.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: S ()
Date: November 20, 2008 11:10AM

and this is why, all you Westfield needled jerks have chains around your hands. Hope the Lannes family has some since of satisfaction.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: speller ()
Date: November 20, 2008 11:56AM

S Wrote:
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> and this is why, all you Westfield needled jerks
> have chains around your hands. Hope the Lannes
> family has some since of satisfaction.


Let us all hope you have some SENSE of correct spelling when trying to honor a person's memory

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: spoiler ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:45PM

speller Wrote:
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> S Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > and this is why, all you Westfield needled
> jerks
> > have chains around your hands. Hope the Lannes
> > family has some since of satisfaction.
>
>
> Let us all hope you have some SENSE of correct
> spelling when trying to honor a person's memory



Get a life, no wonder our teens are going down in flames..."Hey honey, I am going to look the other way when your glossy eyes close over, but at least make sure your dealer gives you correct change and you better be sure he's a good speller, or you're grounded!"

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Awakened ()
Date: November 20, 2008 07:09PM

Hopefully this whole thing has been shutdown.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: ohs ()
Date: November 22, 2008 09:55PM

i go to oakton, never heard of anyone around here using heroin. this was a shock

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: mindyourownb ()
Date: November 23, 2008 08:39PM

Hey FairfaxTeacher 0,

Holy crap....you really are 0! You write about something you known nothing of.
This is a wonderful family, very close family who loved and wanted their 2 children more than anything in the world. They were great and adoring parents and did not act like a friend. There are tons of things you know nothing about this story, but yet you sit on your high horse type bs about a family that is not known to you. Everyone knows, teach, that teens make bad choices regardless of what their parents said or did. Sometimes, strict parents have the worst most pervese kids going, so don't assume you know what their parenting style was. I bet you think your perfect don't you, like this would never happen to your kid. It only happens to bad parents, or kids in bad neighborhoods. You are a complete idiot.

The moral of this story...is that heroin is in schools, it is everywhere. Heroin is not prejudice...it is an equal opportunity killer. Teens experiement with all kinds of things, drugs, alcohol, music, they are rebellious. They have been for years and always will be, it is part of life. However...heroin is a drug that kills and is out there. This family came out with the story, not to be judged by your sorry ass or anybody elses but to save another child's life. A parent who may think their kid wouldn't do drugs, but may think twice now. Also, to take 10 kids off the street who were dealing heroin at Westfields and other local highschools. These 10 kids are going to jail and a for very long time. Hopefully, by speaking out, this family may have put some of the very kids you teach out of harms way. But they didn't do it, for your scrutiny on this blog or any blog. You should applaud them for their bravery, in the midst of their grief instead of assuming you know anything about their parenting style. If you ever had a kid die in your family, you might have a tad bit more compassion. Here's a clue...want to you become a real teacher...why don't you learn and teach compassion.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: amazed ()
Date: December 04, 2008 10:28PM

after reading this thread I have completely lost faith in the human race

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: gravisisadouche ()
Date: December 08, 2008 08:54PM

Gravis you are a stupid little fuck. I hope you burn in hell.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: December 09, 2008 10:03AM

gravisisadouche Wrote:
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> Gravis you are a stupid little fuck. I hope you
> burn in hell.

Wow gravis, he sure told you.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: what ()
Date: December 14, 2008 11:30PM

past weed, it gets a little out of hand, there is nothing that makes you do this drug becides pure stupidity, one who does heroine is destine, to head in the wrong path in a variety of ways. There is nothing that anyone can do to stop these people because obviously someone who does this drug has decided that they want to because its not a descision you just spontaniously make

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Awakened ()
Date: December 14, 2008 11:55PM

unfortunately they do NOT have their chains around their necks (as evident by someone I know's Facebook, and its her birthday today, and the last wallpost was from Skylar Schnippel)

I bet he's chilling at home playing WOW or something. Yes, the heroin dealer indirectly responsible for multiple people's deaths is probably sitting around playing video games and wishing his crackhead friends from school "happy birthday babe"...

Isn't he supposedtobe in jail? or do they let prisoners have laptops to go check their facebookz on these days?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/14/2008 11:56PM by Awakened.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: anonymus westfield user ()
Date: December 15, 2008 01:01AM

I.... dont know..... just where I am going.......But Im... gonna try....for the Kingdom If I can. Cause it makes feel im a man, when I put a spike into my vein and I tell you things arent quite same and when I rush and on my run and I feel just like  jesus' son oh and I guess that I just dont Know... Oh and I guess that I just know I ...wish that ....I was born a thousand years ago... and I... wish that...I sailed the darkened sea. On a great big crystal ship going from this land into that. on a sailors suden cap. Oh were from the big city. Where a man can not be free. of all of the evils of this town and of him self and all around.

Heroin........will be the death of me....... Heroin... Oh its my life and its my wive because it made it to veins and it makes me a sinner in my head oh and im better off and dead
Cause when the smack begins to flow I really dont care anymore about all the tensions in this town and all of the politicians makin busy sounds and everybody puttin eachother down and all of the dead bodys piled up from the ground....cause when the smack begins to flow and I really dont care anymore.
Cause when that heroin is in my blood and my blood is in my head thank god that Im good as dead and thank your god that im not aware and thank your god that i just dont care...Oh and I guess that jusst dont know.
And I guess that I just dont know...

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: December 15, 2008 03:28AM

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"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: LoserReed ()
Date: December 16, 2008 07:29AM

anonymus westfield user Wrote:
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> I.... dont know..... just where I am
> going.......But Im... gonna try....for the Kingdom
> If I can. Cause it makes feel im a man, when I put
> a spike into my vein and I tell you things arent
> quite same and when I rush and on my run and I
> feel just like  jesus' son oh and I guess that I
> just dont Know... Oh and I guess that I just
> know I ...wish that ....I was born a thousand
> years ago... and I... wish that...I sailed the
> darkened sea. On a great big crystal ship going
> from this land into that. on a sailors suden cap.
> Oh were from the big city. Where a man can not be
> free. of all of the evils of this town and of him
> self and all around.
>
> Heroin........will be the death of me.......
> Heroin... Oh its my life and its my wive because
> it made it to veins and it makes me a sinner in my
> head oh and im better off and dead
> Cause when the smack begins to flow I really dont
> care anymore about all the tensions in this town
> and all of the politicians makin busy sounds and
> everybody puttin eachother down and all of the
> dead bodys piled up from the ground....cause when
> the smack begins to flow and I really dont care
> anymore.
> Cause when that heroin is in my blood and my blood
> is in my head thank god that Im good as dead and
> thank your god that im not aware and thank your
> god that i just dont care...Oh and I guess that
> jusst dont know.
> And I guess that I just dont know...
. STOP the stupid drug worship/glorification.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: December 16, 2008 10:33AM

Gravis Wrote:
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man..
Posted by: someone ()
Date: February 09, 2009 02:32PM

i cant believe she got hooked on heroin after getting revived the first time.. she was never like that when i first met her in school. Skylar is a fuhking idiot.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: someone else ()
Date: February 10, 2009 12:46AM

heroin comparitivly speaking is the devil... gravis seems to worship the devil. im a JR at westfield. i just stopped smoking weed, drinking alcohol, and have done vicodin and perkaset. i have never ever thought about coke or heroin. i cant believe people from my highschool have used and died from this drug. i know kids who have injected but for some reason i dont tell their parents or really help them out. am i wrong? im 2 weeks cleansed from all drugs and im learning every day i gotta thank the lord and jesus christ, even though i dont go to church.

oh yeah our government is dumb.... legalize marijuana, tax the shit out of it and pull our economy out of the gutter. <<---- random side fact.

rip

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: someone else ()
Date: February 10, 2009 12:48AM

p.s that post was after reading mostly all of these posts... this shit it terrible.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: asshat ()
Date: February 10, 2009 01:05AM

519 Wrote:
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> The problem with today's kids are the fact parents
> can no longer "spank" them.The goverment has come
> into the homes through the kids and now kids yell
> 911 if you ground them.My daughter is 15 she has
> pulled some stupid ass crap over the past couple
> of months and you know what I lit her ass up and
> grounded her!The only thing homegirl was allowed
> to do was breathe...The next day she went to the
> school and told them I "abused" her and she was
> "terrified" to stay in the house with me,yeah ok
> whatever.Like I so nicely informed her and anyone
> else whpo asked about what happened...that is my
> kid,I gave birth to her,and if shit gets too out
> of control with her actions people are gonna look
> at me,the mother.Parents need to take control
> back,they need to pay attention to their kids.

the problem isnt that parents cant hit the little shits - its the fact that these rich cock suckers around here spoil their children constantly, thinking it buys them love, or justifies the fact that their career is more important then their family. The Family unit is dead, the american dream is dead, fairfax county sucks balls, run on sentences for the win.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: asshat ()
Date: February 10, 2009 01:08AM

oh and this also proves that people should just stick to the legal forms of heroine and cocaine, just go ask your Dr. for some painkillers for your back or aderal because you cant "focus on school work". We sell drugs to our kids every day, heroine just happens to be a shitty (or great depending on your perspective) drug.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: someguyalksdhfalsdf ()
Date: February 15, 2009 12:41AM

i know kids that were doing heroine sophomore year of highschool if not younger.

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: huh? ()
Date: February 15, 2009 02:11AM

whats heroine?

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Re: Our Unnoticed Teenage Heroin Problem
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: February 15, 2009 02:21AM

Quote

heroine

n.
1. A woman noted for courage and daring action.
2. A woman noted for special achievement in a particular field.
3. The principal female character in a novel, poem, or dramatic presentation. See Usage Note at hero.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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