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why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
usernmae44
()
Date: November 09, 2011 05:33PM
for School Bonds. I thought people where going to vote NO! I thought it was going to be really close but it wasn't. only 30% voted NO. Did people in Fairfax lose the common sense? We need to cut spending not sure if we should have an IQ test in order for someone to vote. This is giving Jack Dale a bind check.
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
IQ Test Results
()
Date: November 09, 2011 05:38PM
FAIL
"...we should have an IQ test in order for someone to vote. This is giving Jack Dale a bind check."
"...we should have an IQ test in order for someone to vote. This is giving Jack Dale a bind check."
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
Kilton
()
Date: November 09, 2011 05:55PM
We saw your retarded posts last month saying to vote no, so we all voted yes. Great work, Einstein.
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
Nutch
()
Date: November 09, 2011 06:06PM
usernmae44 Wrote:
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> for School Bonds. I thought people where going to
> vote NO! I thought it was going to be really close
> but it wasn't. only 30% voted NO. Did people in
> Fairfax lose the common sense? We need to cut
> spending not sure if we should have an IQ test in
> order for someone to vote. This is giving Jack
> Dale a bind check.
Good, you suck
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> for School Bonds. I thought people where going to
> vote NO! I thought it was going to be really close
> but it wasn't. only 30% voted NO. Did people in
> Fairfax lose the common sense? We need to cut
> spending not sure if we should have an IQ test in
> order for someone to vote. This is giving Jack
> Dale a bind check.
Good, you suck
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
theShadowToo
()
Date: November 09, 2011 06:20PM
People saw schools and the first thought they formed was "it's for the children!" and pushed the YES button.
I typically vote NO for bonds and yesterday was no exception.
I typically vote NO for bonds and yesterday was no exception.
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
Random Dude
()
Date: November 09, 2011 07:04PM
usernmae44 Wrote:
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> I thought people where going to
> vote NO! I thought it was going to be really close
> but it wasn't. only 30% voted NO.
You thought people in Fairfax were going to vote no on school bonds? You must be new to the county.
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> I thought people where going to
> vote NO! I thought it was going to be really close
> but it wasn't. only 30% voted NO.
You thought people in Fairfax were going to vote no on school bonds? You must be new to the county.
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
Random Dude
()
Date: November 09, 2011 07:04PM
IQ Test Results Wrote:
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> FAIL
>
> "...we should have an IQ test in order for someone
> to vote. This is giving Jack Dale a bind check."
+1
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> FAIL
>
> "...we should have an IQ test in order for someone
> to vote. This is giving Jack Dale a bind check."
+1
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
opm
()
Date: November 10, 2011 06:40AM
usernmae44 Wrote:
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> for School Bonds. I thought people where going to
> vote NO! I thought it was going to be really close
> but it wasn't. only 30% voted NO. Did people in
> Fairfax lose the common sense? We need to cut
> spending not sure if we should have an IQ test in
> order for someone to vote. This is giving Jack
> Dale a bind check.
OPM - other people's money. It would be like asking the FRL crowd whether they want steak for lunch every day - Of course they would, they're not paying for it.
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> for School Bonds. I thought people where going to
> vote NO! I thought it was going to be really close
> but it wasn't. only 30% voted NO. Did people in
> Fairfax lose the common sense? We need to cut
> spending not sure if we should have an IQ test in
> order for someone to vote. This is giving Jack
> Dale a bind check.
OPM - other people's money. It would be like asking the FRL crowd whether they want steak for lunch every day - Of course they would, they're not paying for it.
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
Kevin Schifflet
()
Date: November 10, 2011 11:28AM
What will they spend it on? Cell phone towers and turf fields?
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
Random Dude
()
Date: November 10, 2011 12:15PM
Kevin Schifflet Wrote:
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> What will they spend it on? Cell phone towers and
> turf fields?
Despite your sarcasm, cell phone towers actually generate income for FCPS and turf fields are less expensive and more useable than natural fields over a 10 year period.
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> What will they spend it on? Cell phone towers and
> turf fields?
Despite your sarcasm, cell phone towers actually generate income for FCPS and turf fields are less expensive and more useable than natural fields over a 10 year period.
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
New Turf
()
Date: November 10, 2011 08:27PM
Random Dude Wrote:
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> Kevin Schifflet Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What will they spend it on? Cell phone towers
> and
> > turf fields?
>
>
> Despite your sarcasm, cell phone towers actually
> generate income for FCPS and turf fields are less
> expensive and more useable than natural fields
> over a 10 year period.
And FCPS does not invest a penny in the turf fields. The community & booster club has to raise all of the money -- I know becasue we did. FCPS paid nothing for the field.
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> Kevin Schifflet Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What will they spend it on? Cell phone towers
> and
> > turf fields?
>
>
> Despite your sarcasm, cell phone towers actually
> generate income for FCPS and turf fields are less
> expensive and more useable than natural fields
> over a 10 year period.
And FCPS does not invest a penny in the turf fields. The community & booster club has to raise all of the money -- I know becasue we did. FCPS paid nothing for the field.
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
School janitor
()
Date: November 12, 2011 08:27AM
FCPS has many dozen older facilities which need to be refurbished or replaced. The School Bonds are absolutley needed for school renovation and construction.
The new School Board will hire an independent auditor to help make sure the funds are being spent wisely.
The new School Board will hire an independent auditor to help make sure the funds are being spent wisely.
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
same ol same
()
Date: November 12, 2011 08:31AM
The answer is simple. People who have kids in school, which is most of the county residents, dont care that more debt is taken on. They figure once their kids graduate and go to college the parents will move elsewhere and retire leaving the rest of the county to pay the long term debt.
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
the grammar police
()
Date: November 12, 2011 08:39AM
jack dale needs to shoot himself
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
Debt
()
Date: November 12, 2011 08:48AM
"...People who have kids in school, which is most of the county residents, dont care that more debt is taken on..."
FCPS and the County basically take on a fixed amount of debt per year that the budget can support. It is not 'more' debt. It is new bonds that investors buy after older bonds have matured and/or been paid off. The amounts and percentages are fixed based upon prudent debt policy and resolutions.
FCPS always wants to spend much more that the annual amounts allow (around $150 million/year). The County debt policy keeps them in check.
Bonds interest reates are at historically low levels, and due to the economy school renovation and construction bids are coming in way below previous estimates. This means school bond dollars are more productive than ever.
FCPS and the County basically take on a fixed amount of debt per year that the budget can support. It is not 'more' debt. It is new bonds that investors buy after older bonds have matured and/or been paid off. The amounts and percentages are fixed based upon prudent debt policy and resolutions.
FCPS always wants to spend much more that the annual amounts allow (around $150 million/year). The County debt policy keeps them in check.
Bonds interest reates are at historically low levels, and due to the economy school renovation and construction bids are coming in way below previous estimates. This means school bond dollars are more productive than ever.
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
free market
()
Date: November 12, 2011 09:05AM
Debt is debt. If you ever worked for FCPS you would see the massive waste that goes on. Just about every do nothing admin job is filled by some other employees relative. They take cronyism to new levels. The school system can have a billion dollar budget and they ask for another billion increase in spending. When only given a half billion increase they call that a cut even though it has increased spending.
The school system takes 75% of the county budget and while the county may call it the best run system in the country it is far from it. They have plenty of issues just that they are very good at covering them up.
The renovations could be easily paid for if the money was not diverted to pay slackers in admin jobs for thirty years plus a hefty pension. I am not talking about the teachers who are on the front lines but the vast amount of admin jobs who do nothing but clog up a system asking teachers to generate stats so the admins can justify their jobs.
The school system takes 75% of the county budget and while the county may call it the best run system in the country it is far from it. They have plenty of issues just that they are very good at covering them up.
The renovations could be easily paid for if the money was not diverted to pay slackers in admin jobs for thirty years plus a hefty pension. I am not talking about the teachers who are on the front lines but the vast amount of admin jobs who do nothing but clog up a system asking teachers to generate stats so the admins can justify their jobs.
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
A bargin
()
Date: November 12, 2011 09:23AM
free market Wrote:
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> Debt is debt. If you ever worked for FCPS you
> would see the massive waste that goes on. Just
> about every do nothing admin job is filled by some
> other employees relative. They take cronyism to
> new levels. The school system can have a billion
> dollar budget and they ask for another billion
> increase in spending. When only given a half
> billion increase they call that a cut even though
> it has increased spending.
>
> The school system takes 75% of the county budget
> and while the county may call it the best run
> system in the country it is far from it. They have
> plenty of issues just that they are very good at
> covering them up.
>
> The renovations could be easily paid for if the
> money was not diverted to pay slackers in admin
> jobs for thirty years plus a hefty pension. I am
> not talking about the teachers who are on the
> front lines but the vast amount of admin jobs who
> do nothing but clog up a system asking teachers to
> generate stats so the admins can justify their
> jobs.
The Fairfax county school system educated my kids in the finest manor imagineable. There is nothing in this world that ammounts to anything except what you do for children.
The taxes I have paid to live here are a bargin at 3x the price.
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> Debt is debt. If you ever worked for FCPS you
> would see the massive waste that goes on. Just
> about every do nothing admin job is filled by some
> other employees relative. They take cronyism to
> new levels. The school system can have a billion
> dollar budget and they ask for another billion
> increase in spending. When only given a half
> billion increase they call that a cut even though
> it has increased spending.
>
> The school system takes 75% of the county budget
> and while the county may call it the best run
> system in the country it is far from it. They have
> plenty of issues just that they are very good at
> covering them up.
>
> The renovations could be easily paid for if the
> money was not diverted to pay slackers in admin
> jobs for thirty years plus a hefty pension. I am
> not talking about the teachers who are on the
> front lines but the vast amount of admin jobs who
> do nothing but clog up a system asking teachers to
> generate stats so the admins can justify their
> jobs.
The Fairfax county school system educated my kids in the finest manor imagineable. There is nothing in this world that ammounts to anything except what you do for children.
The taxes I have paid to live here are a bargin at 3x the price.
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
Alexander Smith
()
Date: November 13, 2011 06:50PM
A bargin Wrote:
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> free market Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Debt is debt. If you ever worked for FCPS you
> > would see the massive waste that goes on. Just
> > about every do nothing admin job is filled by
> some
> > other employees relative. They take cronyism to
> > new levels. The school system can have a
> billion
> > dollar budget and they ask for another billion
> > increase in spending. When only given a half
> > billion increase they call that a cut even
> though
> > it has increased spending.
> >
> > The school system takes 75% of the county
> budget
> > and while the county may call it the best run
> > system in the country it is far from it. They
> have
> > plenty of issues just that they are very good
> at
> > covering them up.
> >
> > The renovations could be easily paid for if the
> > money was not diverted to pay slackers in admin
> > jobs for thirty years plus a hefty pension. I
> am
> > not talking about the teachers who are on the
> > front lines but the vast amount of admin jobs
> who
> > do nothing but clog up a system asking teachers
> to
> > generate stats so the admins can justify their
> > jobs.
>
>
> The Fairfax county school system educated my kids
> in the finest manor imagineable. There is nothing
> in this world that ammounts to anything except
> what you do for children.
> The taxes I have paid to live here are a bargin at
> 3x the price.
No.
The school system here has a massive budget and accounts for so much waste. You are an idiot for voting to give a PENNY more to FCPS.
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> free market Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Debt is debt. If you ever worked for FCPS you
> > would see the massive waste that goes on. Just
> > about every do nothing admin job is filled by
> some
> > other employees relative. They take cronyism to
> > new levels. The school system can have a
> billion
> > dollar budget and they ask for another billion
> > increase in spending. When only given a half
> > billion increase they call that a cut even
> though
> > it has increased spending.
> >
> > The school system takes 75% of the county
> budget
> > and while the county may call it the best run
> > system in the country it is far from it. They
> have
> > plenty of issues just that they are very good
> at
> > covering them up.
> >
> > The renovations could be easily paid for if the
> > money was not diverted to pay slackers in admin
> > jobs for thirty years plus a hefty pension. I
> am
> > not talking about the teachers who are on the
> > front lines but the vast amount of admin jobs
> who
> > do nothing but clog up a system asking teachers
> to
> > generate stats so the admins can justify their
> > jobs.
>
>
> The Fairfax county school system educated my kids
> in the finest manor imagineable. There is nothing
> in this world that ammounts to anything except
> what you do for children.
> The taxes I have paid to live here are a bargin at
> 3x the price.
No.
The school system here has a massive budget and accounts for so much waste. You are an idiot for voting to give a PENNY more to FCPS.
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
BrianSchoeneman
()
Date: November 13, 2011 06:58PM
You guys are fundamentally misunderstanding the point of bonds.
You don't pay cash for capital construction. It makes no sense. The cost of building a new building should always be stretched out over multiple years. Same for renovations that extend the life of a structure. Doing so ensures that over time you're spending less because inflation will reduce the costs. A dollar spent now is worth far more than a dollar spent thirty years from now. So why pay for a building that will be around for fifty years in cash? Spread the costs out and that saves money.
These bonds weren't "new money" or blank checks for Jack Dale. They're part of the FCPS long-term capital construction plan. It's not new money. The bonds will have to be serviced by the existing FCPS budget, which is already $2.2 billion and will only continue to grow.
I'm as big a debt hater as the next guy but there is good debt and bad debt. Good debt is this kind of debt - debt tied to an actual asset. Bad debt would be debt incurred for paying things like salaries or for maintenance. That's like ordering a pizza on your credit card. Bad idea.
These bonds were okay.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/13/2011 06:59PM by BrianSchoeneman.
You don't pay cash for capital construction. It makes no sense. The cost of building a new building should always be stretched out over multiple years. Same for renovations that extend the life of a structure. Doing so ensures that over time you're spending less because inflation will reduce the costs. A dollar spent now is worth far more than a dollar spent thirty years from now. So why pay for a building that will be around for fifty years in cash? Spread the costs out and that saves money.
These bonds weren't "new money" or blank checks for Jack Dale. They're part of the FCPS long-term capital construction plan. It's not new money. The bonds will have to be serviced by the existing FCPS budget, which is already $2.2 billion and will only continue to grow.
I'm as big a debt hater as the next guy but there is good debt and bad debt. Good debt is this kind of debt - debt tied to an actual asset. Bad debt would be debt incurred for paying things like salaries or for maintenance. That's like ordering a pizza on your credit card. Bad idea.
These bonds were okay.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/13/2011 06:59PM by BrianSchoeneman.
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
Fightin' Irish
()
Date: November 13, 2011 08:48PM
A bargin Wrote:
> The Fairfax county school system educated my kids
> in the finest manor imagineable. There is nothing
> in this world that ammounts to anything except
> what you do for children.
> The taxes I have paid to live here are a bargin at
> 3x the price.
"Fairfax county school system educated my kids in the finest manor imagineable.
taxes I have paid to live here are a bargin"
OK - you are either messing with us or you are evidence of exactly how much we have dumbed down the curriculum and expectations.
At the top of your Christmas list? Please, for your sake and ours, please ask for a dictionary.
> The Fairfax county school system educated my kids
> in the finest manor imagineable. There is nothing
> in this world that ammounts to anything except
> what you do for children.
> The taxes I have paid to live here are a bargin at
> 3x the price.
"Fairfax county school system educated my kids in the finest manor imagineable.
taxes I have paid to live here are a bargin"
OK - you are either messing with us or you are evidence of exactly how much we have dumbed down the curriculum and expectations.
At the top of your Christmas list? Please, for your sake and ours, please ask for a dictionary.
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
dbs
()
Date: November 14, 2011 12:09AM
A bargin Wrote:
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>
> The Fairfax county school system educated my kids
> in the finest manor imagineable. There is nothing
> in this world that ammounts to anything except
> what you do for children.
> The taxes I have paid to live here are a bargin at
> 3x the price.
Too bad they didn't educate you in the finest manner imaginable as well.
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>
> The Fairfax county school system educated my kids
> in the finest manor imagineable. There is nothing
> in this world that ammounts to anything except
> what you do for children.
> The taxes I have paid to live here are a bargin at
> 3x the price.
Too bad they didn't educate you in the finest manner imaginable as well.
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
A bargin
()
Date: November 14, 2011 04:43AM
dbs Wrote:
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> A bargin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > The Fairfax county school system educated my
> kids
> > in the finest manor imagineable. There is
> nothing
> > in this world that ammounts to anything except
> > what you do for children.
> > The taxes I have paid to live here are a bargin
> at
> > 3x the price.
>
> Too bad they didn't educate you in the finest
> manner imaginable as well.
It is too bad I did not get a Fairfax county education, Im just glad my kids did.
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> A bargin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > The Fairfax county school system educated my
> kids
> > in the finest manor imagineable. There is
> nothing
> > in this world that ammounts to anything except
> > what you do for children.
> > The taxes I have paid to live here are a bargin
> at
> > 3x the price.
>
> Too bad they didn't educate you in the finest
> manner imaginable as well.
It is too bad I did not get a Fairfax county education, Im just glad my kids did.
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
Kevin Schifflet
()
Date: November 14, 2011 10:13AM
New Turf Wrote:
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> Random Dude Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Kevin Schifflet Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > What will they spend it on? Cell phone towers
> > and
> > > turf fields?
> >
> >
> > Despite your sarcasm, cell phone towers
> actually
> > generate income for FCPS and turf fields are
> less
> > expensive and more useable than natural fields
> > over a 10 year period.
>
>
> And FCPS does not invest a penny in the turf
> fields. The community & booster club has to raise
> all of the money -- I know becasue we did. FCPS
> paid nothing for the field.
You're lying. This was a big scandal. FCPS paid a large portion of the costs. Secondly, if a turf field is actually cheaper, then FCPS has no reason to be shy about putting up the funds. There's a lot of fraud in the accounting here. The cost of replacing a turf field every so-often is not being taken into account.
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> Random Dude Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Kevin Schifflet Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > What will they spend it on? Cell phone towers
> > and
> > > turf fields?
> >
> >
> > Despite your sarcasm, cell phone towers
> actually
> > generate income for FCPS and turf fields are
> less
> > expensive and more useable than natural fields
> > over a 10 year period.
>
>
> And FCPS does not invest a penny in the turf
> fields. The community & booster club has to raise
> all of the money -- I know becasue we did. FCPS
> paid nothing for the field.
You're lying. This was a big scandal. FCPS paid a large portion of the costs. Secondly, if a turf field is actually cheaper, then FCPS has no reason to be shy about putting up the funds. There's a lot of fraud in the accounting here. The cost of replacing a turf field every so-often is not being taken into account.
Re: why did people vote yes?
Posted by:
Bonds
()
Date: November 14, 2011 08:31PM
So many mis-informed people.
FCPS receives about 52% of the County's total annual budget, not 75%.
There probably is inefficiency in a number of FCPS programs and employees. If so that should be investigated and stopped. Hopefully the new School Board will appoint a good auditor to review many of the questionable programs.
However, all of that has almost nothing to do with bonds. Bond financing is for construction and renovation of school buildings over many years -- not positions and salaries and programs.
FCPS receives about 52% of the County's total annual budget, not 75%.
There probably is inefficiency in a number of FCPS programs and employees. If so that should be investigated and stopped. Hopefully the new School Board will appoint a good auditor to review many of the questionable programs.
However, all of that has almost nothing to do with bonds. Bond financing is for construction and renovation of school buildings over many years -- not positions and salaries and programs.