Here I am in the land of cotton
But old times here is long forgotten
Look away, look away, look away Virginia-land

Now here is where the Confederacy was founded
Now Virginia claims we’re Northern grounded
Look away, look away, look away Virginia-land

Not a single pro-team
No big city
But some think we’re so major league

I don’t care what you say,
What you say,
What you say, but the south includes Virginia

Don’t care how much you whine
How much you pine
But we’re far on the right side of the Mason-Dixon line

It makes some mad to call us ‘Rebs
But we fought for the grey in Man-ass-ass

We voted for Bush
We cheer Nascar
We pray plain ole’ Christian
And we drink southern bourbon at the bar

Don’t matter what they say,
What you say, you’re still down south in Virginia
It doesn’t matter what they say, what you say
You’re still down south in Dixie

Now Jefferson Davis is probably turning in his grave
Along with Lee and the whole damn Confederacy
If they were alive, I’d know what they’d proclaim
To be told there were some who are southern-ashamed :

Look away, look away,
Look away down south in Virginia
Go away, go away,
Go away all you damn wanna-be Yankees.


GO HOKIES!!!

Yeah, NOVA is soooooooooooo "southern"....give me a fuckin break. Fuckin hybrids, BMW's, Mercedes......NOVA is full of pretentious Yankee transplants. So, sorry, Hokies. NOVA is NOT the REAL Virginia.

Meade Skelton wrote: Go away all you damn wanna-be Yankees.
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Oh you're sooooooo right. It's the "fake" Virginia. We left the rest of Virginia in 1990 I just didn't get the memo. Oh my. NOVA is the only place in the world where people drive hybrids. WE ARE SOOOOOO COOOL!!! WE ARE SOOOOO BETTER THAN EVERYWHERE.

I call it like it is.
The reason so many people here are so FULL OF THEMSELVES is because it's a deep shallow rooted insecurity of being a mediocre state in the SOUTH. We have nothing- just riding the the scum tails of DC.

I do not preface where I am from by saying I am from NORTHERN Virginia. It is absurd to say a few towns that make up a MEDIOCRE suburb deserves its own title.

OOOOOOOOOH, we have traffic. WHINE WHINE. OOOOOOOHHHHH our houses are overpriced. WHINE WHINE. OOOOOOOOOOOH we MUST be special, the entire third world wants to move here. Get over yourself transplant boy. Drive ten miles south of your tacky, overpriced condo and you will see the SOUTH.

The South Shall Rise Again!!!

Thanks for the post. Sometimes, these damned Yankee's need to be reminded that
they DO NOT live in Boston anymore!

Gaby- yes, you are right. Mercedes dealerships end in Richmond. As do BMW. In fact I think there's some sort of law that states a state is "better" based on how many expensive cars there are. Have you ever been to Miami? Boy, they must be even more northern than we are. What a WEAK assed argument u lame.

I am have lived in Fairfax all of my 31 years and yes, it is a vastly different place. And you know what? I like the old one better. I'm not a redneck, just like things better the way they were.

You make some good points Bobby. But I like NOVA the way it is. I am in the south now, near Dayton, and it is nothing like the north. It's a completely different world. I like NOVA though, because I have never seen so much fucking diversity in the people there, I think fairfax would be a great place to grow up in and live. But the kind of mentality you have, is not going to last. The southern areas are getting more developed and leaving their redneck ways IMO.

Lee
The south has risen again. That's why every one and their cousin has moved here and to points even farther south.

I know about the KKK, but is there a group for minorities? Like the ACC(anti-caucasian coalition?). I am not interested, but am just wondering.

Hey, not fair, Tyler Hansborough's white!

Look people, I found that song off the internet, I didn't write it.

I'm from Indiana for god's sake. This weekend I went with my gf to Raleigh, NC to visit some friends and she made such a BIG deal saying, she was from THE NORTH. It just got on my nerves for some reason and of course we got into a fight over it on the way home. It was like she was embarrassed from where she was from. I mean, is the fucking civil war over? No one talks about this shit anywhere else, but here everyone's SO SENSITIVE about it.

Drive ten miles south of your tacky, overpriced condo and you will see the SOUTH

When I drive 10 miles south of my condo, I see Annandale. Wow, that's what "the SOUTH" is really like??

Thanks for enlightening each and everyone one of us.

Yes Meeper-
I was talking DIRECTLY TO YOU. I did a mapquest of where you live and drew a line 10 miles away. You fucking idiot. Do you understand the concept of exaggeration to prove a point???

Oh and Meeper, I would live to enlighten only you, but it looks like you're burning a little too dim as it is.

Do you understand the concept of exaggeration to prove a point???

Well, apparently you don't!!

LOL

Well, you've mastered the cut and paste function. Good for you Meep! But don't try to pretend you weren't being literal in your previous post. You're as transparent as your fucking Homer "LOL" indicates. You moron. I bet your condo is EXTRA tacky and you paid even more for your McDwelling than the rest of us.

heyguys Wrote:
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> I know about the KKK, but is there a group for
> minorities? Like the ACC(anti-caucasian
> coalition?). I am not interested, but am just
> wondering.


Absolutely!

There's "Rev" Al Sharpton's "National Action Network"

There's also "Rev" Jesse Jackson's "Rainbow Coalition"

The "United Negro College Fund"

The "National Council of La Raza"

Then there's "Casa de Maryland"

We also have the "League of United Latin American Citizens"

Then there's the "Asian American Justice Center"

And we surely cannot forget the "Council on American-Islamic Relations"

I'm sure I forgot a few. Need I go on?

The fact is, caucasians aren't allowed to have any advocacy groups because people like you will brand them the "KKK."

I have to travel to Richmond a few times a year and those people hate our guts, As far as they are concerned we might as well be from New York City. They love our tax money they hate us.

Sorry Meade but I am very glad every time I leave Richmond, what a dump. A few months back they were going to transfer some of our office workers to Richmond. The people said they would quit first before ever relocating to Richmond.

I bet your condo is EXTRA tacky and you paid even more for your McDwelling than the rest of us.

Yes, it's very tacky because I lack the same kind of refinement you get when you're a guy from Indiana that argues with his girlfriend about being from the south.

Would you like anything else?

chas, I'm talking about HATE groups you fucking dumbass. Since when was the last time you heard of the United Negro College Fund lynching someone?

heyguys Wrote:
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> chas, I'm talking about HATE groups you fucking
> dumbass. Since when was the last time you heard of
> the United Negro College Fund lynching someone?


Some of those named groups might now be too far off the mark, especially Sharpton's and Jackson's groups and CAIR. They are just cleverly masked. Of course no one would ever believe they could preach "hate" because, as we all know, caucasians are the ONLY group who can have racist tendencies.

Looking at your original post there was nothing about the term "hate" group, "dumbass." You stated "groups for minorities."

Lighten up, Francis.

What is this bullshit you are talking about? You automatically assume caucasians are the only ones that are racist, and that any affilated minority group just HAS to be preaching hate inside their secret chambers? You are the one that needs to open the fucking window and take in some air. If anything, it is the caucasians which are causing the major domestic problems in this country. I swear, especially the hillbillies, who think they 'own' this land, man we are not even close to diverse. Arrogrant bitch.

Well, Bobby, (or is it Bobby Joe?), you started this idiotic debate. So I'll say it again, as I have before.
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Get used to it Yankee scum. The War of Northern Agression is still on. Next time,
us Reb's will win because you depend on Mexicans to do your dirty work now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua2W0azIgw4&feature=related

FROM THE DESK OF THE MEEP

Things to GOOGLE tomorrow:

1. Sarcasm
2. Cynicism

You're also EXTRA stupid.

And on the other topic-

Heyguys:
Although I basically agree with you, from your use of words like "hillbilly" and "arrogant bitch," you kind of sound a little scary. Also, I'm a bit confused about the hillbilly part- they own more land? I thought part of the whole hillbilly stereotype suggested poverty? From what I have read, much of the large "untamed" wilderness in VA and WV is being bought up by wealthy urbanites.

Whites do have a group, it's called the US Senate, The Presidency, and The Supreme Court. And I say that with sadness. Why on earth would "whites" need a group when whites hold the power? Minority groups, hate groups, whatever you want to call it, they are ADVOCACY groups. People who need advocacy, organize groups to make their voices heard. To be honest, I don't believe whites need their voices heard any more than they are.

Bobby Wrote:
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> FROM THE DESK OF THE MEEP
>
> Things to GOOGLE tomorrow:
>
> 1. Sarcasm
> 2. Cynicism
>
> You're also EXTRA stupid.
>
> And on the other topic-
>
> Heyguys:
> Although I basically agree with you, from your use
> of words like "hillbilly" and "arrogant bitch,"
> you kind of sound a little scary. Also, I'm a bit
> confused about the hillbilly part- they own more
> land? I thought part of the whole hillbilly
> stereotype suggested poverty? From what I have
> read, much of the large "untamed" wilderness in VA
> and WV is being bought up by wealthy urbanites.
>
> Whites do have a group, it's called the US Senate,
> The Presidency, and The Supreme Court. And I say
> that with sadness. Why on earth would "whites"
> need a group when whites hold the power? Minority
> groups, hate groups, whatever you want to call it,
> they are ADVOCACY groups. People who need
> advocacy, organize groups to make their voices
> heard. To be honest, I don't believe whites need
> their voices heard any more than they are.


Get with it Boy! You are south of the Mason Dixon Line now. Not somewhere else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXlKgPFwW3g&feature=related

Wow. Bobby Joe. Now THAT'S original.

And picking on the retarded. Are you seven? That is really, really pathetic. What's next? My mother's fat?

I guess you showed me.

Fuck the south.....bring back the Skins....
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Let me clear a few things up. First, I think chas might be talking about something else, from what I am trying to say which might be why we keep trying to prove something that the other doesn't realize. When I say 'own', I mean as if they think it's theirs, like they were the first ones to come to this country even though it's not true. To me, segregration and all that crap is still present. I think I just read a news article a few days ago, about how some school in Georgia had their FIRST black and white mixed prom dance. That is just sad, then again it hasn't even been 50 years yet since MLK. I agree with what you are saying Bobby, but I'm just trying to add on the racism part that is ever present. We always hear stories of blacks and whites going at each other, but I know there are so maaany peeps from other groups which sterotype, only you don't ever seem them lashing out their rage inside themselves. I hope the next president, whether Dem. or Rep., can focus more on the problems we have in the US than abroad, for fuck sakes this nation is slowly going down the hell hole.

FROM THE DESK OF THE MEEP

You're also EXTRA stupid.
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I like to tell people around here we are technically in the south (being Virginia succedded, Lee's army of Northern Virgina etc). No one ever seems to be too thrilled by it though.

We have more illegals in the North.

So...ha! Match that one!

Northern Virginia is Southern-Lite . Its doesn't feel truly Southern, but its nothing like the Baja New Jersey everyone makes it out to be.

Richmond is not perfect, but its certainly no dump. Its one of the most beautiful cities . I have pictures to prove it:

http://www.pbase.com/vasinger/beautiful_richmond

A lot of places in NOVA are boring and plastic. I can't stand Reston or any place like that. It depresses the heck out of me. No character or charm at all.

Why do people equate rural poverty with the South anyways? Has anyone heard of Shohaire County, New York. One of the poorest counties in the country? Driving Mercedes just means you're tacky and rich. If you drive a pick up you can be from anywhere in the USA. Has nothing to do with being Southern.

In fact, my feeling is that Southern is the refined way of life with manners and gracious hospitality, and cultivation. Where the transplants bring rudeness and lack manners and are very snooty and materialistic.

I can't stand Reston or any place like that. It depresses the heck out of me.

Meade, that's a sign that you're not taking enough of your medication.

General Lee Wrote:
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> Get with it Boy! You are south of the Mason Dixon
> Line now. Not somewhere else.
>
I love this type of logic. Claiming cultural territory based on long lost wars. But the same people spouting this drivel would have a cow if a Mexican made a similar claim about New Mexico (hey, get used to it Gringo, the people that were here a long time ago weren't white!), or Native Americans about... just about anywhere.

Wars get fought. Winners take over.

Has anyone heard of Shohaire County, New York. One of the poorest counties in the country?

Meade, yes, I've been thru Schoharie county NY, and yes, it's actually more 'southern' up there than it is here in NoVA.

"In fact, my feeling is that Southern is the refined way of life with manners and gracious hospitality, and cultivation."

Proof right there that your fat ass is NOT from the south. Go eat some krispy cremes lardo.

Yes, TECHNICALLY Virginia is considered "the South". Yet, what most people associate with the "south", and the culture of the "south" is nowhere to be found in NOVA. I'm assuming you will agree, and that I don't have to list "things" associated with the south. If so, then Bobby Dear, you truly are an ignorant redneck.

Well, one thing is for certain: The people of the South (read: red states) have far less teeth, like to sleep with their family members / farm animals and also prefer relations with children of the same sex. Thanks, but I still take the North any day over poor dental hygiene, incest and bestiality. -§

Yes, Technically this is geographically the SOUTH, but that doesnt mean anything because NoVa is full of people who are not FROM the South. Its too close to the NORTH ie Maryland and PA and full of goverment people who are from ALL over the US. Besides southern "gentillity" and "manners" are just synonyms for "repression" and "backwardness".

Excuse me, but poor and rural is NOT Southern.

Southern is a laid back warm and friendly way of life. Where people sip sweet tea on the porch and you don't honk your horn at somebody for slowing down to make a right turn.

Southern is warm, friendly, polite.

Northern is rude, crude, impolite and greedy.

See?

I am the epitome of a Southern Gent.

the culture of the "south" is nowhere to be found in NOVA."

You mean the culture of being polite, warm, and friendly? Sadly, you are probably right.

The south has overall become "southern-lite" have you been to Atlanta? Houston? Raleigh? Not to mention the entire state of Florida. It's all as plastic and materialistic as here. I travel a lot for work and I like authenticity. I like tradition, real food, culture, not strip malls and houses that are built in a week. Reading these posts though I kind of see what the original poster was getting at- it sure seems to rattle some people that NOVA is in VA!

PS- TECHNICALLY Maryland and DC were part of the Confederacy as well, so whoever said VA is close to those areas made VA more Northern is just plain wrong.

BTW I like the term "Southern-Lite"
I think we as a country are becoming "culturally-lite" overall : )

Stupid stereotypes aside, what is "THE NORTH" and what is "THE SOUTH" and where does it start and end? I am from Canada is this is all so new to me. I quite a bit of time in Michigan growing up (right over the bridge) and this never came up. I never really thought about it I guess? COuld someone give me a logical, NOT JUDGMENTAL primer on what this means and why it's so important here? And where the hell does FL fit in? I have a condo in West Palm and I imagine it's like being in Brooklyn (bagel shops everywhere, delis, neighborhood pizzerias and so on- I LOVE it but it's too DAMN HOT for year long living!!!!)

haha- u all wanna be northerners and you're not
haha- joke's on you
come to the better side- NORTH of Jersey assholes
better food, better looking people, REAL sports, better weather, better cities, better public transportation, and the list goes on

The only reason your precious NOVA exists (and btw, NO ONE knows what that means outside of your six little towns) is because of DC which is mostly a dump where no one wants to live. A suburb of Baltimore??? gimmeee a break- that's like saying Boston is a suburb of NYC

Wow Wrote:
> PS- TECHNICALLY Maryland and DC were part of the Confederacy as well

Dude, you are completely wrong. DC was never a part of the Confederacy. It's completely absurd to even think that.

yeah- you are right- its been a while since history class. BUT it was surrounded by Confeds. The only reason DC is where it is was to appease the south after the revolutionary war. The area was nothing but swamps. It was chosen to BE in the south is what I am getting at, but I stand corrected, it was always the seat of the Federal government throughout the war.

The only reason DC is where it is was to appease the south after the revolutionary war. The area was nothing but swamps. It was chosen to BE in the south

No offense but that's not why it was chosen. In fact, appeasement of the south wasn't even a concept back in the 1700's. Go read some history dude!

For like the 1000th time- the Mason-Dixon line was between MD and PA. MD was still a slave state after the emancipation proclamation was signed.

Sorry but that's EXACTLY why it was chosen. The dispute between the northern and southern states started long before the Constitution was signed. It had to do with who would get the railroad, national representation, etc. etc.

Read below DUDE and brush up on some history

After the conclusion of the American Revolutionary War in 1783, the new federal government of the United States met in New York City and Philadelphia. Rivalry among the states to be home to the new capital led the 1787 Constitutional Convention to empower Congress in Article I, Section 8 of the new United States Constitution

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States.

A new federal district was to be established, governed by Congress which was not part of any state. A Southern site for the capital was agreed upon at a sit-down dinner between Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton. Jefferson agreed to support Hamilton's banking and federal bond plans that involved the Federal government assuming state debts in exchange for the choice of a Southern locale for the capital.[5]

I never knew that. Go figure.

The Meeper wrong???? NEVER

BTW meep's from Danville- he admitted it on another post.

Um, gotta disagree on better looking people. Southern women are the best looking . You know most of those runway models in New York are from small towns in the South. They always win the beauty pageants too. Never heard of a yankee with charm. The best looking people are in the South.

Better weather? Now you must be joking! The northeast has the worst weather. They not only have white Christmas they have White Easters! At least in Northern Virginia and points South you have 4 Seasons and not just winter and summer. I was visiting upstate New York and saw snow on the ground in May!

Oh, and the people up there attractive? Thats like an oxymoron.

I have lived in the south...NoVA is not the fucking south. For example: My first day of school in South western VA this jackass in my math class asked our Korean Grad student TA if people really ate "cats and dogs where you from?" Fucking Genius. That shit doesnt happen in NOVA. Take a ride through pretty much any part of Arlington/Crystal City/Alexandria area and tell me it looks like the south. You mean aside from all the tall buildings,pavement, and shit that doesnt look like fields, trailers in the holler, or grain silos/rotted out barns. And to the jackass who said that people from the south are more attractive? Go to any Golden Corral south of Richmond on Fisherman's friday and tell me that shit. We are talking about women the size of two honda civics...The worst part is their ten year olds havent seen a vegtable in nine years...Pounds of mac n cheese, brownie and mashed potato sandwiches, and fucking ring dings/ pork rinds/ and fred chicken certainly makes for an attractive population. My whole life I have claimed DC when speaking with people from other parts of the country in order to avoid the stereotypes involved with VA. Lastly if NOVA is so southern why the fuck was it the only part of the state to vote blue in the last presidential election. If you ask me people who voted for bush, especially round 2, should be round up and castrated so they cant reproduce more stupid ignorant bull-fuckers to fuck every thing up. Country music fucking blows. Saying NOVA is the south is like saying that Bill o reilly is a real journalist, technically it may be true, but anyone who is not an ignorant ass knows better. Fuck You. Go Back to Indiana.

I think Nova is not the South, but Baltimore oddly enough IS. They have a very southern attitude there, in my opinion, and they also have an accent that is both southern and northern mixed, but more southern twang in the mix than northern.

NOVAbred Wrote:
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> I have lived in the south...NoVA is not the
> fucking south. For example: My first day of
> school in South western VA this jackass in my math
> class asked our Korean Grad student TA if people
> really ate "cats and dogs where you from?"
> Fucking Genius. That shit doesnt happen in NOVA.
> Take a ride through pretty much any part of
> Arlington/Crystal City/Alexandria area and tell me
> it looks like the south. You mean aside from all
> the tall buildings,pavement, and shit that doesnt
> look like fields, trailers in the holler, or grain
> silos/rotted out barns. And to the jackass who
> said that people from the south are more
> attractive? Go to any Golden Corral south of
> Richmond on Fisherman's friday and tell me that
> shit. We are talking about women the size of two
> honda civics...The worst part is their ten year
> olds havent seen a vegtable in nine years...Pounds
> of mac n cheese, brownie and mashed potato
> sandwiches, and fucking ring dings/ pork rinds/
> and fred chicken certainly makes for an attractive
> population. My whole life I have claimed DC when
> speaking with people from other parts of the
> country in order to avoid the stereotypes involved
> with VA. Lastly if NOVA is so southern why the
> fuck was it the only part of the state to vote
> blue in the last presidential election. If you
> ask me people who voted for bush, especially round
> 2, should be round up and castrated so they cant
> reproduce more stupid ignorant bull-fuckers to
> fuck every thing up. Country music fucking blows.
> Saying NOVA is the south is like saying that Bill
> o reilly is a real journalist, technically it may
> be true, but anyone who is not an ignorant ass
> knows better. Fuck You. Go Back to Indiana.


I have to disagree with several points. First of all you're talking about rural vs urban. Northern Virginia used to be entirely different even just 20 years ago then it is now. Historically, and culturally it was southern. Not just because it was more rural, but because people were Southerners and you had southern cooking, accents, and manners, and people liked to be friendly. Also, Country Music is awesome, except for maintream TOP 40 Country which does suck.

At this point I don't think NOVA is really northern or Southern, its just a very transient area. But compared to the Northeast, it really is more Southern. Because I have been to the North and its diffferent.

NOVAbred Wrote:
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> I have lived in the south...NoVA is not the
> fucking south. For example: My first day of
> school in South western VA this jackass in my math
> class asked our Korean Grad student TA if people
> really ate "cats and dogs where you from?"
> Fucking Genius. That shit doesnt happen in NOVA.
> Take a ride through pretty much any part of
> Arlington/Crystal City/Alexandria area and tell me
> it looks like the south. You mean aside from all
> the tall buildings,pavement, and shit that doesnt
> look like fields, trailers in the holler, or grain
> silos/rotted out barns. And to the jackass who
> said that people from the south are more
> attractive? Go to any Golden Corral south of
> Richmond on Fisherman's friday and tell me that
> shit. We are talking about women the size of two
> honda civics...The worst part is their ten year
> olds havent seen a vegtable in nine years...Pounds
> of mac n cheese, brownie and mashed potato
> sandwiches, and fucking ring dings/ pork rinds/
> and fred chicken certainly makes for an attractive
> population. My whole life I have claimed DC when
> speaking with people from other parts of the
> country in order to avoid the stereotypes involved
> with VA. Lastly if NOVA is so southern why the
> fuck was it the only part of the state to vote
> blue in the last presidential election. If you
> ask me people who voted for bush, especially round
> 2, should be round up and castrated so they cant
> reproduce more stupid ignorant bull-fuckers to
> fuck every thing up. Country music fucking blows.
> Saying NOVA is the south is like saying that Bill
> o reilly is a real journalist, technically it may
> be true, but anyone who is not an ignorant ass
> knows better. Fuck You. Go Back to Indiana.


Are you kidding me? First of all - that guy that did the shootings at VA Tech lived in Centrevill aka NOVA and he was made fun of BIG TIME buy all the pesudeo preppies in NOVA . In Southwest Virginia there are some of the nicest people in the world! A lot of kids in NOVA are spoiled new moneyed brats!

I can't believe you are so ignorant. Also, you keep using anecdotes which are about rural and country vs. suburban.

The South is not just Nascar or hunting deer or whatever. Its a whole lot of things. And to me, Southern is the epitome of hospitality and non-pushyness. Whereas Northern is rude and pushy and lacking refinement.

On average- Southerners are better looking. Yes, there is more obesity here, but on average the Southern women are just HOT. I mean, northern women can be hot too, but once they open their mouths and their nails on a chalkboard schreechy voices come out, its over .

Southern men are often well groomed and have shag haircuts instead of the faggy gelled up look that northern men go for. Also they are Gentleman and open doors for the ladies.

The best cities for best looking women are Richmond, Atlanta, Charleston, Nashville, and Savannah.

Playboy Magazine even said so ! (not that I read it)

BTW meep's from Danville- he admitted it on another post.

Well, that's wrong. I was born and raised in PA and didn't move to Northern Virginia until a few years after college. You must be new here because that has been mentioned quite a few times.


The Meeper wrong???? NEVER

When he said appeasement I incorrectly assumed he meant appeasement over the issue of slavery.

Edit: felt it was important to add the word "Northern" in front of the word "Virginia".



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/20/2007 07:20AM by TheMeeper.

Meeper
Cant you see when someones yanking your chain? Chill buddy- Bobby Jo or whatever his name is is probably a troll anyway- all he's doing is making u look bad. uve contradicted urself like 3 times on this absurd.

sice i've stated it's absurd, I'll chime in-



the south begins when sweet tea is on the fast food menus.

Um, you can get sweet tea in restaurants in NOVA and they serve it at McDonalds in Dumfries. Can't get it in Baltimore , though. I asked for some, and they just gave me a funny look.

NOVA is the gateway to the South. It even says so in my tour guide.

"If your'e in search of the Romantic South, Northern Virginia is truly the gateway".

I grew up all over the North ie Ohio, Philly, MAINE and when asking for ICED tea it was always served COLD< Sweetened with Sugar and possibly a lemon. So this notion that you only drink Sweet tea in the south is nonsense and so is this argument.

I like this slogan!

To answer the person from canada who asked when the south begins, I agree about the "sweet tea" thing.


Here are my observations, care to add?

The south starts when:

1. Sweet tea is available more places than not. "Tea" in the north is a cup of hot tea, "tea" in the south is iced tea.

2. Freeways are indeed "FREE." This though ironically stops at the point farthest south, Florida, where there is a turnpike and other toll roads.

3. Mom and Pop Italian restaurants are replaced by Papa Johns, Olive Gardens, etc. delis become Subways and Quiznos and the best (term used loosley) bagels are found in the supermarket.

4. There are more "Christian" churches than Catholic churches. Yes, i know Catholocism is Christian but I'm talking about those churches like "First Church of Christ" places.

5. In the south the average Latino is of Mexican descent- in the north they would be more likely to be of Puerto Rican, Dominican, South American descent(again, not true in the oddball FL)

6. MLB is not that popular in the south; college sports are much more popular

GateWayToTheSouth Wrote:
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> I like this slogan!
>
> To answer the person from canada who asked when
> the south begins, I agree about the "sweet tea"
> thing.
>
>
> Here are my observations, care to add?
>
> The south starts when:
>
> 1. Sweet tea is available more places than not.
> "Tea" in the north is a cup of hot tea, "tea" in
> the south is iced tea.
>
>
> 3. Mom and Pop Italian restaurants are replaced by
> Papa Johns, Olive Gardens, etc. delis become
> Subways and Quiznos and the best (term used
> loosley) bagels are found in the supermarket.
>
> 4. There are more "Christian" churches than
> Catholic churches. Yes, i know Catholocism is
> Christian but I'm talking about those churches
> like "First Church of Christ" places.
>
> 5. In the south the average Latino is of Mexican
> descent- in the north they would be more likely to
> be of Puerto Rican, Dominican, South American
> descent(again, not true in the oddball FL)
>
> 6. MLB is not that popular in the south; college
> sports are much more popular


I grew up all over the North ie Ohio, Philly, MAINE and when asking for ICED tea it was always served COLD< Sweetened with Sugar and possibly a lemon. So this notion that you only drink Sweet tea in the south is nonsense and so is this argument.

3. two words. WAFFLE HOUSES> You cannot run 2 feet without running into one in Florida OR CHICAGO

6. Ever heard of Atlanta Braves? DAllas Cowboys? Besides Notre Dame, Michigan Ohio State are all northern COLLEGE teams with huge followings.

Yes, Technically this is geographically the SOUTH, but that doesnt mean anything because NoVa is full of people who are not FROM the South. Its too close to the NORTH ie Maryland and PA and full of goverment people who are from ALL over the US. Besides southern "gentillity" and "manners" are just synonyms for "repression" and "backwardness".



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I lived in Columbus OH and never once was served "sweet tea." It always came unsweeted and I had to add my own sugar. You are full

Also, OH and MI are midwestern states and don't really count in this argument.

Besides, I thought it was already established that MD was technically the south?

I may be wrong, but I think that you exemplify the whole point of the original poster's stance: people here are ashamed of being from Virginia, and therefore, the south.

Also, if you read my original post, I didn't say the south didn't HAVE MLB or NFL but in general college sports are more popular in the south. IMO of course. Look at VA- no pro sports at all.

Already sweetened iced tea in Maine? In Philly?? You are full of shit. Tell me where- probably some soul food place

And oh yeah-
another difference between the N and S

In the south the big cities are FULL of people from all over the country- especially disgruntled northerners who are sick of high taxes and no jobs (from the NE that is) How many people do you kow relocating to Ithaca? Harrisburg? Albany? Worcester?

The south starts when:

7. The most articulate people you meet all talk like Foghorn Leghorn.



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I thought of another one

7. The south starts where the population is GROWING not slowing down. Who do you know is taking a big promotion in Pennsylvania? Even though they can't give most houses away. Look up the US census info- EVERY southern state is rapidly increasing in population, most northern (and mid-western) states are losing people OR staying stagnant.

GoneFishing Wrote:
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> Already sweetened iced tea in Maine? In Philly??
> You are full of shit. Tell me where- probably
> some soul food place


Gone Fishing are you calling me a liar? thats not very Mannerly or southe gentile of you now is it? I demand SATISFACTION SIR! Meet me at dawn with two american Gladiator pontoons, and borat jumpsuits and we will settle this! ICE TEA vs SWEET TEA! May the Best NORTHERNER WIN!

meeper

are you triying to be funny? Or just insecure? most of your comments include ridicule.

I surely do wish people would stop arguing about the south. I am actually from Flynt Michigan. There I said it. I was born there and have only just moved to Richmond with my family when dad got a job in Virginia.

ferfux
what are you talking about you moron


anyone else get "sweet iced tea" in Maine? In MI? Whatever loser. Resort to weak insults because ur wrong. just like this meeper dude who was totally CALLED out earlier.

States are states. I'm from loser ass Wilkes-Barre, PA. Ever been there? The first day of deer hunting season is a freakin holiday. It's run-down, has great food, no jobs, and a 2,400 sq foot house will only set u back about 125,000. BOY I SURE AM COOL. But at least I can admit I live in the south now. that's the great thing about modern society- WE CAN MOVE. My relatives back home LOVE visiting down here and all are relocating gradually to the Carolinas

I have a message from Wilkes barre. You didnt leave you were KICKED OUT.

Uh meade

I know it's ur hometown at all, but isn't it spelled FLINT?

no thats the southern spelling of all things northerly

haha Ferfux

ur right but practically everyone between 20-40 is BEGGING to be kicked out as well. I got lucky and my number was called early.

I think people are confusing the difference between rural versus urban, and northern culture versun southern culture. I think everyone would agree that NOVA is urban, but is it traditionally "northern" as in north-eastern? I don;t think so. ATL is very similar to here in terms of congestion, immigration, some rudeness, money oriented flashy types, etc etc. Congestion seems to breed frustration and anger in people.

GoneFishing wrote:
I'm from loser ass Wilkes-Barre, PA. Ever been there?

Haha, I grew up about an hour south of Wilkes Barre, and lived in lovely Hazleton, PA for 2 years.

Do you say the word "heyna" alot? Do you pronounce the letter "H" as "haitch"?

Wilkes-Barre, PA.

hehe

I have been there before. Interesting town. Sheetz is the happening spot there.

Some dude from "Flynt" Michigan. AND somehow is using it to BRAG that their not from the south. Whatever. WHen you LIE, make sure to at least get the name of the place you are saying you're from right.

Again, all proving my point. Why are people in NoVa so insecure about where we are from? It's all so ridiculous.

I like this list- it's a bunch of generalizations for sure but they actually make sense. I added one for General Meade.

1. Sweet tea is available more places than not.
> "Tea" in the north is a cup of hot tea, "tea" in
> the south is iced tea.
>
>
> 3. Mom and Pop Italian restaurants are replaced by
> Papa Johns, Olive Gardens, etc. delis become
> Subways and Quiznos and the best (term used
> loosley) bagels are found in the supermarket.
>
> 4. There are more "Christian" churches than
> Catholic churches. Yes, i know Catholocism is
> Christian but I'm talking about those churches
> like "First Church of Christ" places.
>
> 5. In the south the average Latino is of Mexican
> descent- in the north they would be more likely to
> be of Puerto Rican, Dominican, South American
> descent(again, not true in the oddball FL)
>
> 6. MLB is not that popular in the south; college
> sports are much more popular

7. The south starts where the population is GROWING not slowing down. Who do you know is taking a big promotion in Pennsylvania? Even though they can't give most houses away. Look up the US census info- EVERY southern state is rapidly increasing in population, most northern (and mid-western) states are losing people OR staying stagnant.

#8 People in the south lie about where they are from when talking to people they think will make fun of them from being from the south

I have an an idea.

Why doesn't the super-cool yankee wanna-be part of Virginia secede from the rest of the state. You can change your name to something impressive like The Commonwealth of the North and the rest of VA can join NC? We'd love to have you! Then the new part of NC can be coined North North Carolina. But oh-oh. WOuld that mean y'all would want to move down because it would have two Norths in its name? A tricky problem.

Here in the Carolinas, North and South, we all get along.

BTW I have a nice 1200 square foot house, nice city lot, privacy fence, in historic distric, established hardwoods, $1,100 per year property taxes, stainless appliances I might be able to let go for say $350,000?

Wow Wrote:
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> A Southern site for the capital was agreed
> upon at a sit-down dinner between Thomas Jefferson
> and Alexander Hamilton. Jefferson agreed to
> support Hamilton's banking and federal bond plans
> that involved the Federal government assuming
> state debts in exchange for the choice of a
> Southern locale for the capital.[5]

That's correct Jefferson originally wanted the Capital to be in Virginia. Why? Because Jefferson had business ties to the landowners in VA.

Hamilton however was mediating trying to get the South on board with a Federal government and currency. Without Hamilton's banking plan this country would be in shambles! Imagine different currencies between States.

The Mason Dixon line is generally what determines the South from the North. However, DC and Northern parts of FFX county were Yankee controlled during the war.

I still get a laugh out of people taking picnic baskets out to see the first battle of Bull Run, like it was some type of show or play.

I once watched a bunch of Yankees visiting in S.C. They actually put
cream, butter, and sugar on grits. Can you believe that? Such provincials.

slimey Wrote:
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> I once watched a bunch of Yankees visiting in S.C.
> They actually put
> cream, butter, and sugar on grits. Can you believe
> that? Such provincials.


Grits? what the fuck do you mean? Dont you want to have True Grit? and isnt something Gritty ie down and dirty and real? Why would I want to butter up or sugar down my True Grit? Id want to be gritty rough rugged and raw damnit!

Well this has to be the lamest pissing match I have ever read on this board..

It is true NoVa is not like the rest of virginia..but it has nothing to do with North and South anymore. Its rural and urban. Nova is urban and suburban and the rest of Va is mostly rural. To compare this to the historical North and South make you sound like an ignorant fool.

First off you do relize we are in the 21st century? and this is not 1861. Yeah I am sure it is a point of pride for you to be from the "South". But there is no more South and North.. It is Rural and Urban or suburban. You will find the same kind of people and ways in rural South Dakota as you will find in Greenville NC, or Topsham ME and Hillsville, VA..Sure some traditions are different but the rural nature is the same. People speak just as slow in Topsham ME as they do in South West VA..just the accent is a little different.. There is just as much crime and 'rude" people in Atlanta as Philly, hell the murder rate is almost the same.. Sure there are plastic looking sub-divisions in NoVa.. have you looked at the cookie cutter towns they are building outside of Birmingham or Atlanta. "OH but the south has so much history... What about Philly or Boston.. does the year 1630 in Salem Mass remind you of anything.

The south should be proud of the great thinkers and writers or the advancements in farming tech and industry...Dont place your pride of the south on a war. A war in which the South fought against the abolishion of slavery.

If your so hateful and prejudice that you still feel that the South is better because of a line drawn on a map over 200 years ago.. than your the one that needs to "Go away, Go away back under the rock you came from"

BTW just to mess with y'all Southerners..Im from Maine originally, and some relatives were in the 22nd Maine infantry regiment.. you know the one that burned down parts of charleston... LOL

And Bobby your a TOOL!.. And remember the dixie flag.. its not hate its herritage..



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Meeper

I read over some of your posts you ignorant ass. You are the EXACT type of person I wanted to escape from PA- Sarcastic, rude, making fun of everyone you can to make you feel better about yourself: gays, retarded people, southerners. Anyone who you perceive is weaker than you. My sister is disabled you cheap fuck. Go back to the ignorant town where you're from, where everyone acts and thinks just like you, and stop spreading your hate that you lamely attempt to disguise as humor.

"And Bobby your a TOOL!." "its not hate its herritage."

Maine boy, it's "you're" as in "you are" and "it's" as in "it is." I'll let you slide with the heritage spelling (even though this forum has built in spell-check). With your broad knowledge base I'm sure you'll appreciate the correction.

BTW why are you picking on me? It sounds like we AGREE?

so... a gay retarded southerner walks into a bar...

So the only response is on my typo errors.. wow Im taken back. You do know this is a forum site.. not exactly a college entry writing sample..but thanks so much for YOUR corrections.. it really furthered the debate. I will be oh so much more careful next time.

How can you say we agree, do I have to quote your first entry.

So now you are not only proclaiming your southern heritage and how all us fake yankees need to "go home", but your a flip flopping southern too..

"Now here is where the Confederacy was founded
Now Virginia claims we’re Northern grounded"


Your entire first post, refers to Yanks and Rebs and how your on the "right" side of the Mason Dixon line...

"Don’t care how much you whine
How much you pine
But we’re far on the right side of the Mason-Dixon line"

-priceless... case closed..

BTW.. Bobby , your a TOOL!//

Bobby, Maybe you are not as much of a tool as I thought... but the jury is still out.

I didnt see your second post (below) About how you didnt make that song up.. maybe you should have been a little more clear in the beginning..unless your only intent was to incite some flame war here in the forum.. However my original statements apply to the folks on both sides of the "North" vs "South" bandwagon


Hey, not fair, Tyler Hansborough's white!

Look people, I found that song off the internet, I didn't write it.

I'm from Indiana for god's sake. This weekend I went with my gf to Raleigh, NC to visit some friends and she made such a BIG deal saying, she was from THE NORTH. It just got on my nerves for some reason and of course we got into a fight over it on the way home. It was like she was embarrassed from where she was from. I mean, is the fucking civil war over? No one talks about this shit anywhere else, but here everyone's SO SENSITIVE about it.


Bobby, You're still a tool.. j/k



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Im the real Meade. I am not from Flint Michigan. I grew up in Loudoun County . My daddy worked in Fair Oaks . He was an accountant.

My mother's family is old Virginia blueblood. Been in Richmond since the late 1600s. My father's family were Germans who settled in Kentucky and Ohio after the War Between The States.

So I don't have any yankees in my family tree.

My original post was for you, Meade...

The real meade.. I think I speak for everyone on this board.. Please, Please take your desktop computer tie it to your legs and jump into the James River. Provided that you really do live in Richmond..


"After the war between the states" I mean really, who the hell says that, besides the blue hair old ladies in Charleston..

Wow Wrote:
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> Sorry but that's EXACTLY why it was chosen. The
> dispute between the northern and southern states
> started long before the Constitution was signed.
> It had to do with who would get the railroad,
> national representation, etc. etc.
>
> Read below DUDE and brush up on some history


They were arguing about who would get the RAILROAD "long before the Constitution was signed"????

That's odd, considering that the Constitution was signed in 1787 and the first U. S. railroad (B&O) didn't begin operations until 1830.

Those Founding Fathers really were visionaries, eh!

>My sister is disabled you cheap fuck.

Phew, now I've read alot of bizarre unsolicited comments before, but this one takes the cake..... man, where the heck did this thought come from??

Hey GoneFishing- GIT R' DONE dOOd!!
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Hey Meeper, is taht a young Slim Pickens?

Man, he was good!

Meeper, I found your comments to be shallow and pedantic... yes , shallow and pedantic... HA HA HA ..

http://www.brokenbinder.com/fg/petarded.htm

Yeah man , I dont get it either. You normally are a voice of uhmm...errr.. reason and balance..lol.

>duh wrote:Hey Meeper, is taht a young Slim Pickens? Man, he was good!

LOL. Yes, yes he was.



>Take a Stand wrote:You normally are a voice of uhmm...errr.. reason and balance..lol.

These Meade Skelton-inspired threads always bring out the best in me, what can I tell ya...


Now, if anyone else would like to enter their family's medical problems into this thread, fire away. Disabilities, mental illness, scurvy.... don't be shy.

my entire family died of the chicken pox when i was 9

ELmo says Elmos is part of Meade's FAM-A-LEE! YEAH! YEAH! ELMO was touched by MEADE'S DADDDY AND ELMO FLED TO SESAME STREET! yeah yeah yeah! ELMO LOOOOVES the SOUTH! YEAH YEAH YEAH!

Weeel doggies, ain't nothing like being in the true south and get a big heaping helping of meade and friends.

Pictured below Beverly Hills chapter of Meade Skelton fan club.
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Take a Stand Wrote:
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>
..unless
> your only intent was to incite some flame war here
> in the forum..

Right on the nose Take a Stand; you're pretty insightful. I was pretty pissed off. I AM a VA Tech fan though- that was my addition

And thanks for saying I might not be a total tool!

I still think TheMeeper is a prick

duh Wrote:

>
>
> They were arguing about who would get the RAILROAD
> "long before the Constitution was signed"????
>
> That's odd, considering that the Constitution was
> signed in 1787 and the first U. S. railroad (B&O)
> didn't begin operations until 1830.
>
> Those Founding Fathers really were visionaries,
> eh!

Uh, I think I meant who would get the wagon trails. Or horse paths. Or boats? They had boats right?

So, I'm at the Kiss concert at Nissan Pav in line at the Men's Room this good ol' boy in line exclaims "I been drinkin for 3 days, whaddya think o that? I said "I think you'll have a nasty hangover". He asks me "So are you a rebel or what?
I was stumped, I honestly did not know the answer so I say "Well, I guess I'm a rebel against some things" So he says "Awe you ain't no rebel go back to New Jersey, Yankee". I'm like "Damn dude I'm from Alexandria".

Incubus Wrote:
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> So, I'm at the Kiss concert at Nissan Pav in line
> at the Men's Room this good ol' boy in line
> exclaims "I been drinkin for 3 days, whaddya think
> o that? I said "I think you'll have a nasty
> hangover". He asks me "So are you a rebel or
> what?
> I was stumped, I honestly did not know the answer
> so I say "Well, I guess I'm a rebel against some
> things" So he says "Awe you ain't no rebel go back
> to New Jersey, Yankee". I'm like "Damn dude I'm
> from Alexandria".

Dont mind him, he was so drunk he thought he was at the Toby Kieth show in a walmart Parking Lot.

IMO, Northern Virginia is the South, but its really the furthest north you can go and still be in Dixie. North of Loudoun County and its pretty much yankee territory. Baltimore is in no way Southern.

Washington, D.C. was actually pretty Southern 40 or 50 years ago. But now its more Northeastern.

Northern Virginia is very transient like Hampton Roads,so even though it was historically and culturally Southern , its really feels like anywhere USA. And most of the old plantations in Fairfax were torn down to build developments and Starbucks Coffeeshops.

Bobby Wrote:
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> Hey, not fair, Tyler Hansborough's white!
>
> Look people, I found that song off the internet, I
> didn't write it.
>
> I'm from Indiana for god's sake. This weekend I
> went with my gf to Raleigh, NC to visit some
> friends and she made such a BIG deal saying, she
> was from THE NORTH. It just got on my nerves for
> some reason and of course we got into a fight over
> it on the way home. It was like she was
> embarrassed from where she was from. I mean, is
> the fucking civil war over? No one talks about
> this shit anywhere else, but here everyone's SO
> SENSITIVE about it.

The funny thing, of course, is that North Carolina itself receives loads of Northern transplants every day. I wonder how long it'll be before we start hearing comments like, "I'm not a Southerner; I'm from Charlotte." Fifteen years? Ten?



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Bump this thread if you are proud to be from the south.

Hell yes. This is for the people who are originally from here and don’t pretend to be rednecks, or aren’t stupid enough to confuse the south with the ‘deep south’.

No, we’re not Alabama or Mississippi, but Southern nonetheless. Try going up to Mew England and you’ll see the difference.