Are there any abortion clinics in Fairfax? I know INOVA does them I think. i forget :-/

yes, there are. ask VInce(1), I think he has an IPHONE app that maps them all.

He sounds like a busy guy. LOL

Abortion is unmoral.

I've gone through the hardest time, my first ever hook up, used protection and still ended up pregnant. I met the father at a college party, but have no idea who he is. It's been a mess explaining this to everyone and I for one never thought of abortion and if you do, you're going to hell.

whit Wrote:
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> Abortion is unmoral.
>
> I've gone through the hardest time, my first ever
> hook up, used protection and still ended up
> pregnant. I met the father at a college party,
> but have no idea who he is. It's been a mess
> explaining this to everyone and I for one never
> thought of abortion and if you do, you're going to
> hell.


Rofl. I think you mean immoral. Go look up unmoral.

God, you really do need to have an abortion. I feel sorry for your baby.

whit Wrote:
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> Abortion is unmoral.
>
> I've gone through the hardest time, my first ever
> hook up, used protection and still ended up
> pregnant. I met the father at a college party,
> but have no idea who he is. It's been a mess
> explaining this to everyone and I for one never
> thought of abortion and if you do, you're going to
> hell.

I will happily go to hell if you can guarantee no one who thinks like you will be present.

I'm sorry for you, whit. Lots of ignorant high school kids on this forum. Instead of listening and learning from your example, they'll find out the hard way.

Abortion is wrong, always wrong. The child in the womb is completely innocent, and we need to pray for those who find nothing wrong with taking such innocent life.

St. Michael Wrote:
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> I'm sorry for you, whit. Lots of ignorant high
> school kids on this forum. Instead of listening
> and learning from your example, they'll find out
> the hard way.
>
> Abortion is wrong, always wrong. The child in the
> womb is completely innocent, and we need to pray
> for those who find nothing wrong with taking such
> innocent life.


Always? I would beg to differ.
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whit Wrote:
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> Abortion is unmoral.
>
> I've gone through the hardest time, my first ever
> hook up, used protection and still ended up
> pregnant. I met the father at a college party,
> but have no idea who he is. It's been a mess
> explaining this to everyone and I for one never
> thought of abortion and if you do, you're going to
> hell.


I don't believe you.

whit Wrote:
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> Abortion is unmoral.
>
> I've gone through the hardest time, my first ever
> hook up, used protection and still ended up
> pregnant. I met the father at a college party,
> but have no idea who he is. It's been a mess
> explaining this to everyone and I for one never
> thought of abortion and if you do, you're going to
> hell.


and no a trash bag doesnt count as protection

St. Michael Wrote:
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> Abortion is wrong, always wrong. The child in the
> womb is completely innocent, and we need to pray
> for those who find nothing wrong with taking such
> innocent life.

There are certain circumstances where heated debate can arise. For instance you Jesus freaks would abort the Anti-Christ in a second and then proclaim it was an act of God. I guarantee in addition that you find the death penalty to be completely humane and justifiable though. You people are a plague to this Earth and everyone of its inhabitants dead or alive.

They are mostly located in the highly ethnic areas of Fairfax County (population control thingy). If you see a bunch of dark non-whites skinned folks to be politically correct walking around, you're close, so ask somebody for directions. If you are white skinned you're supposed to be on birth control and you would never need to know such a thing. To be politically correct... FAIRFAX County don't have any abortion clincs.

SexWithJesus Wrote:
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> St. Michael Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Abortion is wrong, always wrong. The child in
> the
> > womb is completely innocent, and we need to
> pray
> > for those who find nothing wrong with taking
> such
> > innocent life.
>
> There are certain circumstances where heated
> debate can arise. For instance you Jesus freaks
> would abort the Anti-Christ in a second and then
> proclaim it was an act of God. I guarantee in
> addition that you find the death penalty to be
> completely humane and justifiable though. You
> people are a plague to this Earth and everyone of
> its inhabitants dead or alive.

We need to pray for those that still believe that a book written nearly 2000 years ago ( oh wait, it was really not important enough to write down for over 300 years, so it was written 1700 years ago) still has relevance.

This book said the man carried the seed (wrong) and the earth was created in a few days (it took millions of years). Yet some people still believe all this book said.

Pray for the unenlightened.

you need to go to planned parenthood

Just look for unmarked buildings with protesters out front on weekend mornings.

Across from McDonalds on Rolling

http://www.alexandriawomenshealth.com/

Gonads & Strife Wrote:
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> Just look for unmarked buildings with protesters
> out front on weekend mornings.


This.

There's one on rolling road where the protesters do their thing early Sunday mornings (or at least they did).

Makes no sense from a Christian POV unless you believe that God sends the babies to hell.

If someone believes that then I feel sorry for them.

> There are certain circumstances where heated
> debate can arise. For instance you Jesus freaks
> would abort the Anti-Christ in a second and then
> proclaim it was an act of God. I guarantee in
> addition that you find the death penalty to be
> completely humane and justifiable though. You
> people are a plague to this Earth and everyone of
> its inhabitants dead or alive.


See how sensitive you are about this issue? That's your conscience telling you abortion is wrong...listen to it.

> This.
>
> There's one on rolling road where the protesters
> do their thing early Sunday mornings (or at least
> they did).
>
> Makes no sense from a Christian POV unless you
> believe that God sends the babies to hell.
>
> If someone believes that then I feel sorry for
> them.

What? Are you retarded? The baby in the womb can't speak for themselves. Can't defend themselves. People who don't believe in abortion stand in front of abortion clinics to (1) protest the ignorant laws that give license to this type of murder, (2) pray by group effort that the babies will not be killed, and (3) provide alternatives for those in distress. With regard to the baby growing in the womb, all Planned Parenthood offers is death.

I certainly don't believe babies go to hell. That has nothing to do with why I pray in front of abortion clinics.

Abacab Wrote:
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> Across from McDonalds on Rolling


Classy.....get a baby violently ripped to death from your womb and then celebrate with a Big Mac.

Radiophile Wrote:
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> SexWithJesus Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > St. Michael Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Abortion is wrong, always wrong. The child
> in
> > the
> > > womb is completely innocent, and we need to
> > pray
> > > for those who find nothing wrong with taking
> > such
> > > innocent life.
> >
> > There are certain circumstances where heated
> > debate can arise. For instance you Jesus
> freaks
> > would abort the Anti-Christ in a second and
> then
> > proclaim it was an act of God. I guarantee in
> > addition that you find the death penalty to be
> > completely humane and justifiable though. You
> > people are a plague to this Earth and everyone
> of
> > its inhabitants dead or alive.
>
> We need to pray for those that still believe that
> a book written nearly 2000 years ago ( oh wait, it
> was really not important enough to write down for
> over 300 years, so it was written 1700 years ago)
> still has relevance.
>
> This book said the man carried the seed (wrong)
> and the earth was created in a few days (it took
> millions of years). Yet some people still believe
> all this book said.
>
> Pray for the unenlightened.


The Nazi's thought they were enlightened too.

So, we toss out books that are really old? Why not toss out the Constitution? The ignorant can take all sorts of things out of context with the Bible. I include many Christians in that camp too.

uhhhcya Wrote:
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> Are there any abortion clinics in Fairfax? I know
> INOVA does them I think. i forget :-/

Whatever you are thinking, don't do this and certainly don't do it without considering other alternatives. Real alternatives.

If you are inquiring for a friend, girlfriend, or yourself, my heart goes out to you. I'm not judging where you are coming from. But I would suggest you take a step back, take a breath, and consider the alternatives. Talk to someone who can help you through this crisis in a way that will give all involved peace in a way that doesn't involve violent destruction of life. Give any one of these places a call and ask for help....

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Do whatever you want, but be prepared to live with the consequences either way.

St. Michael Wrote:
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> What? Are you retarded? The baby in the womb
> can't speak for themselves. Can't defend
> themselves.

This has no relevance to anything I posted - yet you are calling me a retard?

> People who don't believe in abortion
> stand in front of abortion clinics to (1) protest
> the ignorant laws that give license to this type
> of murder,

Did you think that I believed otherwise? Again, this has no relevance to what I posted.

> (2) pray by group effort that the
> babies will not be killed,

?

Pray in one hand, shit in the other, see which fills up faster.

> and (3) provide
> alternatives for those in distress. With regard
> to the baby growing in the womb, all Planned
> Parenthood offers is death.

That's fine with me, again, not relevant to what I actually wrote.

> I certainly don't believe babies go to hell. That
> has nothing to do with why I pray in front of
> abortion clinics.

My point was that if you really loved your child and you believed in hell then the best thing you could do is to abort them, since it guarantees that they go to heaven. After all, they could always grow up and become an atheist, thereby guaranteeing that they rot in hell for eternity.

Get it?

St. Michael Wrote:
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> Radiophile Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SexWithJesus Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > St. Michael Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Abortion is wrong, always wrong. The child
> > in
> > > the
> > > > womb is completely innocent, and we need to
> > > pray
> > > > for those who find nothing wrong with
> taking
> > > such
> > > > innocent life.
> > >
> > > There are certain circumstances where heated
> > > debate can arise. For instance you Jesus
> > freaks
> > > would abort the Anti-Christ in a second and
> > then
> > > proclaim it was an act of God. I guarantee
> in
> > > addition that you find the death penalty to
> be
> > > completely humane and justifiable though.
> You
> > > people are a plague to this Earth and
> everyone
> > of
> > > its inhabitants dead or alive.
> >
> > We need to pray for those that still believe
> that
> > a book written nearly 2000 years ago ( oh wait,
> it
> > was really not important enough to write down
> for
> > over 300 years, so it was written 1700 years
> ago)
> > still has relevance.
> >
> > This book said the man carried the seed (wrong)
> > and the earth was created in a few days (it
> took
> > millions of years). Yet some people still
> believe
> > all this book said.
> >
> > Pray for the unenlightened.
>
>
> The Nazi's thought they were enlightened too.
>
> So, we toss out books that are really old? Why
> not toss out the Constitution?

We have that option, actually. If the Constitution is deemed wrong, then it is amended. How many times has your your been amended because of its glaring inaccuracies?

>The ignorant can
> take all sorts of things out of context with the
> Bible. I include many Christians in that camp
> too.

If you are claiming "context" then dont ask me to take it literally.


"Christians are the only people I know who eat their own dead"
- Pat Boone

Don't joke about throwing away the Constitution with these baby-killing liberals, they actually want to do it. And holding the belief that abortion is wrong and the death penalty is justified makes prefect sense you dumbass, a baby has committed no crime and a person receiving the death penalty has committed a heinous murder which justifies death. And let me guess SexwitheJesus you disrespectful piece of shit you think abortion is ok, but not the death penalty? Because a person who has murdered someone has the right to life but a newly conceived baby does not, yeah because that makes total sense.

The Liberal movement the worst thing to happen to America in 100 years!

Theres an abortion clinic in Manassas on Sudley Rd. near the hospital somewhere.

I'll do it for a ham sammich. Just kidding.

Two ham sammiches.

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Lax Wrote:
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> a person receiving the
> death penalty has committed a heinous murder which
> justifies death.

Not always.

http://www.innocenceproject.org/know/Browse-Profiles.php

Were they executed, no? so the justice system worked out and I'd be willing to bet most of those cases were decided before DNA, and were cleared by DNA.

Lax Wrote:
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> Were they executed, no? so the justice system
> worked out and I'd be willing to bet most of those
> cases were decided before DNA, and were cleared by
> DNA.

You said that "a person receiving the death penalty has committed a heinous murder which justifies death." They were convicted, but they had not committed a heinous murder.

I appreciate your input St. Michael but, no offense, the Catholic religion is full of s*&t IMO. I was just inquiring for someone. I DO believe in abortion. I love how you guys try and bring the bible into this. Why do we base reality off of something that isn't proven??

Maybe my friend can have her baby grow up catholic so priests can molest them? Where is the irony in that? Isn't being molested a sin? After all, its "sex" before marriage. Sorry St. Michael, I don't mean to be an asshole but I am anti Catholicism to a tee.

"We need to pray for those that still believe that a book written nearly 2000 years ago ( oh wait, it was really not important enough to write down for over 300 years, so it was written 1700 years ago) still has relevance.

This book said the man carried the seed (wrong) and the earth was created in a few days (it took millions of years). Yet some people still believe all this book said."

I love what Radiophile said. Its funny how someone would create a book that is so vague that it can be interpreted many ways and be able to answer everything...

Yes I did, but did those people receive the penalty? No they were supposed to but were found innocent so they did not receive the penalty.

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uhhhcya Wrote:
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> I appreciate your input St. Michael but, no
> offense, the Catholic religion is full of s*&t
> IMO. I was just inquiring for someone. I DO
> believe in abortion. I love how you guys try and
> bring the bible into this. Why do we base reality
> off of something that isn't proven??
>
> Maybe my friend can have her baby grow up catholic
> so priests can molest them? Where is the irony in
> that? Isn't being molested a sin? After all, its
> "sex" before marriage. Sorry St. Michael, I don't
> mean to be an asshole but I am anti Catholicism to
> a tee.
>

I only mentioned the bible in response to someone else babbling about it. There are athiests out there who are pro-life, so religion is not necessarily a requirement. Nat Hentoff, a widely recognized music critic is one off the top of my head.

Look at a sonogram of a living baby in the womb and tell me that that's not proof of a living and breathing person. DNA makes them unique and human. They're not bits of flesh doing nothing. Their not tadpoles.

I assure you, you are sorely misinformed. I don't care if your friend raises her baby Catholic, athiest, etc. I really don't. I would just like the baby to live and your friend to have peace.


It saddens me to see how you and so many others are so against the Catholic Church. Yes, priests have molested. Yes, they should be held to a higher standard than the regular person out there. Yes, it is awful. But it's only a small percentage that molest and, as I understand it, these numbers are below the percentages found in other professions such as public school teachers. Yet, the Catholic bigotry and willful misinformation continues.

Why are you so anti-Catholic? Is it because of what you have heard in the press about priests? Is it because the Catholic Church stands firmly against abortion, traditional marriage, etc?

I hope you will at least pass on the earlier information I pasted about crisis pregnancy centers for you friend. At least then the baby inside her will have some kind of a chance to live.

P.S. I use St. Michael as my username not because I think I'm special (I sin like crazy) but because he is my favorite saint.

KILLLL MEEEEEEE

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Unfortunate. 10 seconds of pain and suffering can help save a kid from years of pain and suffering. If you really want to stop abortion stop protesting and help advance medicine that will take the ability of impregnating someone. Males can be given medication that stops them from either producing semen or stop them from producing effective semen. Also female can also be given a permanent solution that can only be lifted until its counter medicine is given. These can be done at birth and lifted when a couple is ready to start a family.

St. Michael:

DNA is the primary genetic material for almost all life. Not just humans. So the argument you make that DNA is what makes a foetus human is invalid. Until birth a human foetus is practically indistinguishable from a tapeworm: it gathers nutrients from its host, cannot survive without the host, etc.

Would you fault a female for having a tapeworm removed? I think not. She has no moral duty to continue providing an environment for that parasite. Neither, then, does she have a moral duty to continue providing an environment for the foetus.

But this really isn't about converting you to my way of thought. I don't care how you feel about this; why do you care about how I feel?

I had an abortion at age 14, and it was the best decision I've ever made. I'd have a 9-year-old son right now if it hadn't been for that decision, and I guarantee that child wouldn't have known any kind of good life had I decided to keep it. Adoption isn't really a viable alternative - the child would have likely been severely deformed due to the fact I'd ingested drugs while pregnant (but unaware of it) that would have damaged the foetus. No one would have adopted that child, and it would have lived its life out in the system. Not a good life for the child.

And before you get all righteous about the age at which this happened to me, know that I was raped.

And then wonder why you, and your compatriots in the right-to-life movement, would force me, still a child myself, to carry the child of the man who had abused me in the most heinous way possible for almost a year, possibly damaging my health to boot? Why should I be punished further for a crime perpetrated upon my person?

Please, don't neglect to answer. I want to hear (or read, as it were) your response.

St. Michael Wrote:
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> I only mentioned the bible in response to someone
> else babbling about it. There are athiests out
> there who are pro-life, so religion is not
> necessarily a requirement. Nat Hentoff, a widely
> recognized music critic is one off the top of my
> head.
>
> Look at a sonogram of a living baby in the womb
> and tell me that that's not proof of a living and
> breathing person. DNA makes them unique and
> human. They're not bits of flesh doing nothing.
> Their not tadpoles.
>
> I assure you, you are sorely misinformed. I don't
> care if your friend raises her baby Catholic,
> athiest, etc. I really don't. I would just like
> the baby to live and your friend to have peace.
>
> It saddens me to see how you and so many others
> are so against the Catholic Church. Yes, priests
> have molested. Yes, they should be held to a
> higher standard than the regular person out there.
> Yes, it is awful. But it's only a small
> percentage that molest and, as I understand it,
> these numbers are below the percentages found in
> other professions such as public school teachers.
> Yet, the Catholic bigotry and willful
> misinformation continues.
>
> Why are you so anti-Catholic? Is it because of
> what you have heard in the press about priests?
> Is it because the Catholic Church stands firmly
> against abortion, traditional marriage, etc?
>
> I hope you will at least pass on the earlier
> information I pasted about crisis pregnancy
> centers for you friend. At least then the baby
> inside her will have some kind of a chance to
> live.

I won't argue with you because clearly you're an impenetrable wall of illogic. Instead I'll provide you with certain hypothetical situations in which I am very interested to see your answers.

Situation One: A woman is pregnant with a child. She lacks the money to pay for her child and support him and/or her. She does not want her child to be introduced to a world where depravity and chaos reign above justice and stability. Should she abort?

Situation Two: The same situation as before with the exception that the mother's life will be taken if she gives birth. Pretend she is extremely malnourished and lacks the ability to birth without losing her own life. Keep in mind this happens every so often. Should she abort?

Situation Three: Consider my earlier scenario which you so courteously ignored in which a woman has conceived the Anti-Christ. The child within seconds of birth will ravage the lands and unleash total annihilation of the world unless silenced in the womb. Should she abort?

Situation Four: Through the improbable and impossible, a man has managed to become pregnant. Not only that but that baby is gay and extremely liberal. To makes matters even more interesting, the baby has an insatiable thirst for abortions. The child will grow up to become pregnant solely for the orgasmic satisfaction of abortions. One could even say the baby is an abordict (a cleverly formulated contraction of abortion and addict if you don't mind me tooting my own horn). Should she abort?

Situation Five: Consider a child in the womb that has been diagnosed with an extremely rare and crippling disease. Let's call it St. Michaelitis. The baby even in the womb undergoes intense pain at all moments without respite. Burning and excruciating agony afflicts the fetus at all times compounded with extreme and irreversible mental retardation to the point where the baby is incapable of conjuring even a single cognitive process. And to make the matters worse, the baby will be utterly offensive to all five senses. Perhaps the most death pleading faculty the child bears is the ability to transfer the illogical bastardizations of reason and sense through the Internet. The unforgivable act leaves an indescribably bitter and acrid taste in the mouth of all who come in contact with the child through the Internet. Should she abort?

Bonus Round: St. Michael's mother. Should she abort?

Anyone else feel free to add your commentary. I'm rather interested in what Fairfax Underground has to offer to these riveting thought experiments.

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whit Wrote:
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> I for one never
> thought of abortion and if you do, you're going to
> hell.

Those who lob superstitious threats at their fellow humans are going to hell.

God told me so. That makes it true.

maybe you just shouldn't be a whore?

philosoraptor Wrote:
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> St. Michael:
>
> DNA is the primary genetic material for almost all
> life. Not just humans. So the argument you make
> that DNA is what makes a foetus human is invalid.
> Until birth a human foetus is practically
> indistinguishable from a tapeworm: it gathers
> nutrients from its host, cannot survive without
> the host, etc.

Sure, but a tapeworm doesn't grow up to be an adult human being. Now, I am also considering this from the standpoint that the human being is a more important being than any other creature. I know the PETA folks would beg to differ, but that's where I stand. A human person is a human person whether they are 3 millimeters or a full grown severely handicapped adult. Hard as it may be to accept and deal with, I could no more agree to the destruction of an innocent human life in the womb as a human freshly born. By the way, don't you consider it flimsy thinking that it's okay to destroy a human in the womb that does have viability outside the womb (without medical help, of course)? Birth is a specific point in the time line of a human's journey, but it has little to do with the formation of the human being in and of itself. After all, even after birth, a baby still grows and forms. Birth is a signpost along the way and an important transition, but it does not change the DNA, it doesn't change the fact that it's still a human person. Hope I am making sense. You seem sincere to read my take on the matter.



> But this really isn't about converting you to my
> way of thought. I don't care how you feel about
> this; why do you care about how I feel?

Well, I do care because that's part of my faith. I'm engaging you in this conversation because of this. No other motive. I'm not trying to get brownie points from God. I'm not trying to pick on someone. I'm not trying to feel great about myself. I am trying to answer you in kind as I believe as a Catholic I am called to do, and if God wants something to come of it, that's God's doing. If anything, hopefully, this discussion will help us to understand each other's point of view. I could easily ignore you and move on to something else.

>
> I had an abortion at age 14, and it was the best
> decision I've ever made. I'd have a 9-year-old son
> right now if it hadn't been for that decision, and
> I guarantee that child wouldn't have known any
> kind of good life had I decided to keep it.
> Adoption isn't really a viable alternative - the
> child would have likely been severely deformed due
> to the fact I'd ingested drugs while pregnant (but
> unaware of it) that would have damaged the foetus.
> No one would have adopted that child, and it would
> have lived its life out in the system. Not a good
> life for the child.
>
> And before you get all righteous about the age at
> which this happened to me, know that I was raped.

I'm extremely sorry for your being raped. That is incredibly awful for you. I can't imagine what they may have done to you psychologically, physically, etc. Honestly, I will pray for you....not that I am high and might or whatever. Hey, we all could use some prayers!

You mentioned adoption was not viable because you were afraid the child would be deformed, right? In my mind, you are tying viability to what you thought would happen. However, as imperfect as it might be, adoption is always an alternative. It's possible that the child might not have been deformed at all...I have heard many stories where they get it wrong about the child in the womb. Plus, even if the child was deformed, doesn't it still have a right to live? Deformed people have meaningful lives. Maybe this human would have grown into an adult deformed person that is an important advocate for the handicapped? For me, I would hope to leave life and death in God's hands.

By the way, I'm a guy, but had I had a girlfriend pregnant when I was young, I cannot honestly say whether I would have stood in the way of an abortion. I thank God I never had that situation or experience. Thinking now in my 40s, I would hope I wouldn't have pushed that. I certainly would not now. But then again, I am not perfect. I sin as much as the next guy. I'm a faulty human being and could still stumble. But the difference is, I know that abortion is wrong.

>
> And then wonder why you, and your compatriots in
> the right-to-life movement, would force me, still
> a child myself, to carry the child of the man who
> had abused me in the most heinous way possible for
> almost a year, possibly damaging my health to
> boot? Why should I be punished further for a crime
> perpetrated upon my person?

Well, this is always one of the toughest situations to answer because it is so very emotional for both the mother and child. I look at it this way. It isn't me or the pro-life movement that forced you to be pregnant and give you this crisis; it was the selfish, pathetic man that raped you. From my standpoint,the child is still a child however it came about, and it did nothing wrong. Innocent bystander in a weird way. This is not a very good analogy but I liken this to someone who gets cancer. Who knows. A test of faith? Who knows. You were raped and didn't ask for it. God allowed it. Why? Maybe a really huge test of faith? I don't know. But let's say science came up with a surefire way to take away cancer if you had your mother put to death to scrounge some kind of medicine from her body. You would likely not want your mother killed so that you could live, particularly when there are alternatives like chemo, radiation, etc. to treat the situation. Likewise, you didn't ask to be pregnant and there are alternatives to destroying the human life. Hope that makes some sense to you. Also, the rapist committed serious violence to your body. The person who then gets the abortion is committing to more serious violence on the body. Why would you treat violence with more violence? That's considering the women only.

Again, I feel terrible for your situation. Did anyone seriously talk to you about adoption at the time? Did you have anyone who supported both you and the child in your womb?


> Please, don't neglect to answer. I want to hear
> (or read, as it were) your response.


Anyway, I am glad that you reached back out to me. It helps me to understand and refine my own thinking on this. Certainly not a waste of time. Also, if I have pressed any painful buttons with what I've written above, I hope that you can have peace. We learn from good and bad life experiences, right? I'm not saying you are or will be, but if you find yourself upset, you might call Project Rachel, an organization for post-abortion healing (http://arlingtondiocese.org/familylife/rachel.php): 1-888-456-HOPE or 703-841-2504. I know that you said it was the best thing that happened to you. But upon reflection, if you have doubts or an inkling that things are not right in your life because the abortion, please give these folks a call. They can do a far better job of helping you than I ever could. It doesn't matter how long ago it was.

NegativeDreamStealer Wrote:
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> whit Wrote:
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> > I for one never
> > thought of abortion and if you do, you're going
> to
> > hell.
>



Probably because you are a man and have not gotten lucky in a while.



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Lax Wrote:
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> Yes I did, but did those people receive the
> penalty? No they were supposed to but were found
> innocent so they did not receive the penalty.

Yes, some people have been put to death for crimes they didn't commit.

Super Fun Happy Time Abortion Clinic: "We'll bring the kid out in you!"

Abortion is an issue only because our society has abandoned God’s Word. God would rather nip this problem in the bud before any abortion could take place. Deuteronomy 22:13-21 says if a man marries a girl and finds her not to be a virgin, then she is to be stoned to death. Notice the girl is to be killed without a concern of whether she might be pregnant. God doesn’t want that selfish man stuck raising a baby which wasn’t his! The bible god's answer is to kill both the girl and the baby.



Yahweh's followers were taught by the Bible to kill pregnant women. I guess Yahweh didn't become pro-life until modern times when believers changed his official stance on killing fetuses. Here’s what Yahweh taught about killing fetuses in his bible:

“About three months later Judah was told, "Your daughter-in-law Tamar is guilty of prostitution, and as a result she is now pregnant." Judah said, "Bring her out and have her burned to death!" [Gen 38:24]



Here's a lovely song inspired by a bronze-age god about what he wants people to do to babies:

•O daughter of Babylon, doomed to be destroyed, blessed shall he be who repays you with what you have done to us! Blessed shall he be who takes your little suckling babes and dashes them against sharp rocks! [Psalm 137:8-9]

I think it's great that the old testament god "found jesus" and became a good pro-lifer in modern times... Because back a few thousand years ago he was teaching people to murder babies. He even taught people to kill their OWN children for merely expressing an opinion or insignificant violence:

•"Anyone who curses or hits his father or mother must be put to death." [Mthw 15:4; Ex 21:15,17]



Bible god commands people to murder babies in the time of Saul for the sins of their ancestors 400 years prior during the Exodus:

This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' [1 Samuel 15:2-4]

Poor babies.





Your stupid god doesn't even know the very law he supposedly put into the Torah.
Let's consider the story of David and Batsheba in 2 Samuel Chapter 12. Our godly hero David committed adultery with Bat Sheba and had her husband killed. Even though God's law called for the death penalty for David for such crimes, the prophet Nathan was sent by God to tell David of his punishment... God, evidently wasn’t familiar with his own Torah since he decreed "the son born to you will die," instead of the guilty dad.
In his own Torah, bible god taught that:
Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin." [deut 24:16]
Yet unjust, inconsistent, bible god does the very thing that he said should not be done: he kills a child as punishment for a father’s sin.





Here’s Bible God’s recipe to make a woman who cheated on her husband lose her baby:

The Test for an Unfaithful Wife
11 Then the LORD said to Moses, 12 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'If a man's wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 by sleeping with another man, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure- 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah [a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder offering to draw attention to guilt.

16 " 'The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the LORD. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, "If no other man has slept with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have defiled yourself by sleeping with a man other than your husband"- 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse of the oath-"may the LORD cause your people to curse and denounce you when he causes your thigh to waste away and your abdomen to swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells and your thigh wastes away. [c] "
" 'Then the woman is to say, "Amen. So be it."

23 " 'The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall have the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water will enter her and cause bitter suffering. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the LORD and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has defiled herself and been unfaithful to her husband, then when she is made to drink the water that brings a curse, it will go into her and cause bitter suffering; her abdomen will swell and her thigh waste away, [d] and she will become accursed among her people. 28 If, however, the woman has not defiled herself and is free from impurity, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

29 " 'This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and defiles herself while married to her husband, 30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the LORD and is to apply this entire law to her. 31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.' " [Numbers 5:11-31]

ChristiansAreEvil Wrote:
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> Abortion is an issue only because our society has
> abandoned God’s Word. God would rather nip this
> problem in the bud before any abortion could take
> place. Deuteronomy 22:13-21 says if a man marries
> a girl and finds her not to be a virgin, then she
> is to be stoned to death. Notice the girl is to
> be killed without a concern of whether she might
> be pregnant. God doesn’t want that selfish man
> stuck raising a baby which wasn’t his! The bible
> god's answer is to kill both the girl and the
> baby.
>
>
...And you are addressing who with your misguided bible rant? Wait for it.....
Wait for it......

Yeah! Christians! So that must mean you are an atheist or agnostic or even a plain old pagan! Yeah! I bet you can't wait for a return old days when those bible beaters get eaten by lions for sport! Yeah!

Meanwhile, someone is deciding whether to tell their friend whether or not to snuff out the kid she has in her womb. You know, life and death stuff. Instead, this topic has been hijacked for a bible rant fiesta! Yeah!

Looks like we got us a good ol' fashion pissing match!!!!

St. Michael -

I did not "reach out" to you. I presented you with a real situation. I'm not looking for peace - I have plenty, because I know I didn't do anything wrong.

I do, however, find a problem with the phrase God allowed me to be raped. Either, in this case, God knew this was going to happen and did nothing about it or didn't know it was going to happen. Either God is not omnipotent or not benevolent.

You choose.

And don't give me a whole bunch of bullshit about you're called to do this because of your faith. I'm catholic too (well, probably not anymore because I had sex out of wedlock and have been divorced, but that just goes to show that heaven's going to be a lonely place) and know all about what catholocism asks its followers to do.

One thing I happen to like about catholocism is it generally isn't evangelist.

People who believe themselves called to do things aren't religious, they're delusional.


ChristiansAreEvil -

Don't forget about the levite's concubine! Actually you might not know about her - she's one of the overlooked in the history of the Hebrews. She's in judges, 19 I think.