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A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: Reason.com ()
Date: November 15, 2019 08:00PM

Property Rights
A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
A state law allows counties to effectively steal homes over unpaid taxes and keep the excess revenue for their own budgets.

Eric Boehm | 11.6.2019 7:40 AM
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(Robin Nelson/ZUMA Press/Newscom)

An 83-year-old retired engineer in Michigan underpaid his property taxes by $8.41. In response, Oakland County seized his property, auctioned it off to settle the debt, and pocketed nearly $24,500 in excess revenue from the sale.

Under Michigan law, it was all legal. And hardly uncommon.

Uri Rafaeli, who lost his property and all the equity associated with it, is just one of thousands of people to be victimized by Michigan's uniquely aggressive property tax statute. The law, passed in 1999 in an attempt to accelerate the rehabilitation of abandoned properties, empowers county treasurers to act as debt collectors. In the process, it creates a perverse incentive by allowing treasurers' offices to retain excess revenue raised by seizing and selling properties with delinquent taxes—even when the amount owed is miniscule, and even when the homes aren't abandoned or blighted at all.

Organizations representing property owners like Rafaeli say the practice is unconstitutional, inequitable, and unreasonably harsh. They call it "home equity theft"—a process that's a close relative to the civil asset forfeiture laws that have been used by police departments to similarly deprive innocent Americans of their property without due process. They are now asking the state Supreme Court to restrict the practice.

"Michigan is currently stealing from people across the state," says Christina Martin, an attorney with the Pacific Legal Foundation, a nonprofit law firm now representing Rafaeli and other homeowners in a class-action lawsuit that will go before the Michigan Supreme Court in early November.

"Counties have been authorized to take not just what they are owed, but to take people's life savings."

More:

https://reason.com/2019/11/06/a-michigan-man-underpaid-his-property-taxes-by-8-41-the-county-seized-his-property-sold-it-and-kept-the-profits/

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: And..... ()
Date: November 16, 2019 12:04AM

.....people on the left wish to give more power to rotten, evil bureaucrats.

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: Asker of questions ()
Date: November 16, 2019 12:22AM

Doesn't Michigan law require the gov't to notify the property owner that he owes taxes and if he doesn't pay them, his property will be seized?

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: Leftist.Gorilla ()
Date: November 16, 2019 02:11AM

Dumb muffakah shouldn't have underpaid his taxes...

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: Taxes scofflaws ()
Date: November 16, 2019 06:09AM

Wahhhhh
Wahhhhh

Crybaby.
Like this dumb fuck didn’t receive yellow then, Red envelopes in the mail from tax admin.
I sold a van and didn’t report it to the dmv, and was hounded by tax bills in the mail for something like $38!
Surrre!

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: i wood shoot them ()
Date: November 16, 2019 03:18PM

i wood shoot them

there are allot of county people who should be shot as the ARMED bank robbers that they are. they use the POLICE to protect themselves (HEAVILY ARMED BANK ROBERS)

that is why the penalty MUST be stiff for cheaters: because betrayal of office is so much worse than a simple bank burglary or robbery

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: i wood shoot them ()
Date: November 16, 2019 03:18PM

i don't think death penalty is out of the question

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: fucking foreigners ()
Date: November 16, 2019 03:21PM

however: Uri Rafaeli? is he even supposed to be in the country?

ICE should deport him ?

just because he's 80 doesn't mean he didn't slip into michigan "un-announced" to collect welfare

i guarantee you 50 years ago seeing anyone not white or indian in michigan was QUITE RARE (demcorats will tell you michigan is diverse: it's NOT TRUE - michigan became a gang and illegal alien dumping ground since clinton because michigan politicians have an extremely weak spine when it comes to getting anything done)

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: Give the man a cigar ()
Date: November 16, 2019 04:40PM

And..... Wrote:
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> .....people on the left wish to give more power to
> rotten, evil bureaucrats.


^^ this

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: 098sdfj ()
Date: November 16, 2019 06:35PM

it is more likely a FAKE NEWS STORY

there is not enough information in the story to determine what the city really did

for example: if the man was alone, 80, unable to care for the home and was being put in a nursing home by a judge's advice his situation was un-tennable - that would be an outside probability

but there are any number of complications in extremum:

he may have family who have rights to the property in failure (to "take charge of the property" via family law - which by the way Bill Clinton damaged "superfically" allowing cities to attack the elderly ILLEGALLY (only legally on the surface, but the older still valid laws still make it HIGHLY ILLEGAL))

he may have other property that could be sized for $8 (EVEN OP GUESSED THAT WOULD BE TRUE - HE MIGHT HAVE $8 DRESS SOCKS FROM WALMART IN THE CLOSET!!!)

THE BANK MIGHT OWN THE PROPERTY, not the man: the article doesn't say who owns the property or if the roof is leaking

the lawyer for the 80 yr old man might be more corrupt than the city officials who may also be corrupt or working with the corrupt lawyer

THE MEDIA MIGHT BE TOTALLY LYING ABOUT THE WHOLE CASE, trying to create a job for an illegal alien to "be published" as part of a college communications 102 class

OR IT MIGHT BE DEAD STRAIGHT ON - that the city is taking the first path to seizure illegally

OP IS AN IDIOT FOR TAKING ON THIS STORY WITH ONLY A PETTY FAKE NEWS REPORT ON IT

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: rf4gt4r34 ()
Date: November 16, 2019 06:42PM

this is not on the tier of giving a michigan ex lover 100 yr in prison for killing his wife when in DC an asian woman who killed her nigga husband got 3 yrs with 3 yrs already served by th etime the trial ended

not even close

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uri as google has it

also the "lawyer" mentioned above hails from FLORIDA not michigan - and thus would be unlikely to be rigistered to operate in both states (florida has (had) a uniq legal code which has been wordpad edited to be very similar to federal and other states except it is still more conservative and with less "hacks", in the sunshine state).

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: e3rft4g3r4 ()
Date: November 16, 2019 06:46PM

"Michigan is currently stealing from people across the state," says Christina Martin

a "real lawyer" on a case would never say such a thing: there is no such thing as "michigan in general is stealing" in law. if the michigan code stole (but code does not steal it is inanimate and incappable of it) you could say "michigan steals"

A REAL LAWYER WOULD LIST NAMES COLLECTED SO FAR INVOLVED IN THEFT AND STATE IF THE LIST WAS LIMITED FOR BREVITY: only names of confirmed accused individuals

the above article (as seen on ffu) does not mention one name of any county personell involved, so as a a legal accusation is it complete bullshit

(now me on the other hand, when i make accusations about fairfax i do so with the vantage of having sued and having fairfax (fa, feds) skip court on me and refuse also to pay: which is the case where i can make accusations in retrospect)

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: e3rft4gt3r2e43 ()
Date: November 16, 2019 06:48PM

Treasurer Meisner

Throughout his career, Andy Meisner has served the families of Oakland County at the federal, state, and local levels, presently as Oakland County Treasurer, a position he has held since 2009. As Treasurer, Andy focuses on preserving property values, preventing mortgage and tax foreclosures, and prudent stewardship and investment of Oakland County taxpayer dollars.

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: 3efr3243 ()
Date: November 16, 2019 06:55PM

the Oakland County (pontiac?) treasury dept is inside the government center (larger and nicer than fairfax va's taj mahal)

i have little doubt they've hired some f'ing hindu or nigger who isn't supposed to be in the country to file fake tax papers and threaten the public for not paying sums that aren't actually due

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: 3efr3243 ()
Date: November 16, 2019 06:59PM

(the employees responsible for public interaction are not listed )

A little more than a year later, in February 2014, Rafaeli's rental property was one of 11,000 properties put up for auction by Oakland County. It was sold for $24,500 in August of the same year—far less than what Rafaeli had paid for the property just three years earlier.

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: 09ewfjf ()
Date: November 16, 2019 07:00PM

https://www.oakgov.com/treasurer/about/Pages/staff.aspx

THE SUPERVISOR IS SOME YOUNG FOOL - TOO YOUNG TO BELIEVED TO BE IN CHARGE

I SMELL CORRUPTION THROUGH AND THROUGH

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: er4f3gr3e ()
Date: November 16, 2019 07:07PM

$24,000 for $60,000 is NOT A GOOD DEAL (it can easily be considered a FELONY if the property nearby had not much changed in value, which we think no although this was not said specifically). THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY WAS NOT STATED so it's impossible to check RE-MAX for the price from here.

the man is reportedly still in condition to do "light reasoning" (83 yrs old thogh). HE NO LONGER LIVES IN MICHIGAN - ALTHOUGHH why and whereto is not said - which is critical information

however it is clear that it is likely not the case that michigan sold the home in response they needed the property to cover for putting him in a home: we can say this is not the case. however there are 100 more things which could be that FAKE NEWS would not have told us

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: what school was that ()
Date: November 16, 2019 07:08PM

Christina Martin of Florida? I think I went to school with her in VA, but cannot say for sure.

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: e3rfgg3r4 ()
Date: November 16, 2019 07:11PM

In court documents, Rafaeli's attorneys estimate there have been more than 100,000 properties—along with the "entire equity in them"—that have been taken by Michigan counties since 2002

THE ISSUE IS THESE ARE GOING TO ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO, WITHOUT QUALIFICATION, ARE BEING EMPLOYED BY DNC MICHIGAN DEMOCRATS TRYING TO STAY IN OFFICE

100,000 properties is ALLOT of theft. if many of these properties are found to be "in political hands", the death sentence is what i would suggest

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: r4tgth4y4t3r ()
Date: November 16, 2019 07:18PM


the meme in the news during corrupt Clinton administration which Bush had to clean up after was:

ROBO SIGNING

it happened on auto repo and for homes

IT WAS MADE ILLEGAL

perhaps they didn't get THE MEMO

it is written in law and underlines that the law had already made it clear that abuse of government was and is still illegal


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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: 09sdfj ()
Date: November 16, 2019 07:48PM

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michigan is a state where big corporate "pulled out" and left many poor - also a state ravaged (who had fought) all the wars - full of purple hearts. just 30-50 years ago hunting in the damn cold to feed the family, cutting through ice to fish, was a reality for some families. welfare mean canned beans from the church not luxuring condos for illegal aliens.

THE COUNTY EXECS ARE EXTREMELY LUCKY, SEIZING PROPERTY FROM OLD MICHIGAN MEN, NOT TO HAVE GOTTEN THEIR HEADS BLOWN OFF WITH A SHOT GUN Michigan people are very community sensitive (and thus democrat). perhaps too much so: ie not defending themselves from rape of property because of a sense of that the community wouldn't be harming them - whereas since Clinton: OH YES THEY WOULD BE.

that is the truth, and the truth is slightly untrue: i imagine some county officials have been killed in Michigan

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: pisdf ()
Date: November 23, 2019 11:07PM

little red riding hood

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: rfgtvbr ()
Date: November 23, 2019 11:08PM


Democrats don't want to "take your guns"

THEY WANT YOUR GUNS, YOUR CAR, AND DEFINITELY YOUR HOME**



especially from the elderly, and if young (cousins) are in the home, democrats will of course use police to "rid the house of pests"

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: A Gonzalez ()
Date: November 23, 2019 11:22PM

gerrymanderer2 (OP) posts several lies on ffu daily - many know he's a paid FBI agent who is enslaved to do it for false CIA Imperialist Propaganda. He floods ffu with useless posts to bump down major news, posts fecal matter, mutilated bodies, child porn, foreign drug ads and sneaker ads, tells people to kill themselves and government should seize them and put them on psych pills in prison - decided by democrat gov of course, promotes kangaroo courthouse trials, gives anti-religious rants, gives satanic ritual rants, posts white males with small dicks raping young Native American females, portends white low birth rate and fall of USA, food tampering/poisoning, and anything possible to DEMORALIZE white people on ffu. (perhaps a chinese prisoner or isis member - but definitely knowledgeable of fx co gov from the inside at times). the website operator has told him "not to post or return" which are still posted - not removed, by the sysop: not because of a political leaning but for continual illegal and gross spam along with messages that are only to demoralize if not kill others. he/she plays at financial terrorism as well: continuall reporting false financial data, and fake emergency please from (fake members of the community he makes up).

THIS BARRICKMAN SHIT ONLY WOKE YOU UP AND NOW YOUR IN OVERTIME, HAHA!

NO ONE FUCKING CARES ABOUT MICHIGAN ANYWAYS!

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: idfjf ()
Date: November 24, 2019 06:04PM

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Posted by: idjf ()
Date: November 26, 2019 01:57PM

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Posted by: oisdff ()
Date: November 28, 2019 04:11PM

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Posted by: k ()
Date: November 30, 2019 02:49PM

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: bad government bad people ()
Date: December 01, 2019 10:06AM

It just goes to show you can never trust PEOPLE.

Never.

For you see, it is people who serve in the government.

And at one time, the real estate seizure laws in Michigan were probably well intended, and, served a good purpose in cleaning up entire blocks of abandoned and blighted properties in Detroit...it probably got to the point where it took the authorities forever to raze crack houses, rat traps, dangerous and falling down houses.

So, they passed a law that was meant to accelerate this process.

Good.

Then, some jag-off figures out he can use it in other situations.

Throw in a little profit motive, and now you've got government run amock.

It's kinda like the sex crimes registry...once, it was well intended to make sure pervs would be monitored in society in order to protect potential victims.

Now, it is used by overzealous prosecutors to threaten people who have been charged with pissing in public on a golf course, they threaten them with being a sex criminal unless the plead guilty to some dicked up charge.

Never, ever rely on the government to be fair or use common sense with the tools we give them.

Always...always question the government.

Don't make their jobs easy.

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Re: A Michigan Man Underpaid His Property Taxes By $8.41. The County Seized His Property, Sold It—and Kept the Profits.
Posted by: tax evader ()
Date: December 02, 2019 12:50PM

"It is undisputed that [Rafaeli] failed to fully pay his property-tax obligations," lawyers for the county said in April legal documents. "It is also undisputed that Oakland County provided constitutionally adequate notice of the delinquencies."

The county attorneys said the court case exists only because Rafaeli "chose not to pay his taxes. ... Any harshness that results from losing excess equity is the natural consequence of [Rafaeli]' own actions."

Rafaeli did not live in the Southfield home. He rented it out to tenants and used the rent generated to fund his retirement, Martin said. After the foreclosure, Rafaeli moved to Israel.


slum lord likely... good riddance to the camel jockey. serves him right.

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Date: December 02, 2019 01:58PM

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Date: December 03, 2019 03:54PM

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Date: December 06, 2019 02:09AM

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Date: December 07, 2019 09:31PM

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Date: December 10, 2019 01:28AM

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