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Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Investors Business Daily
()
Date: September 17, 2018 09:35AM
Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
SALLY C. PIPES, Investors Business Daily
9/14/2018
America's doctor shortage is becoming more and more severe. The Association of American Medical Colleges recently projected a shortfall of up to 120,000 physicians by 2030.
ObamaCare didn't cause this crisis. But it has made the problem worse. The law created countless administrative headaches for doctors. Some have responded by retiring early or leaving the practice of medicine altogether.
Many more may join them if Democrats are successful in their bid to launch a full-scale government takeover of the U.S. health care system. Single-payer health care would exacerbate America's doctor shortage and make quality care much harder to obtain.
Doctors are increasingly hanging up their stethoscopes — or at least using them less often. Within the next three years, one in five doctors intends to cut back his hours, according to a recent survey by the Physicians Foundation. More than 14% plan to retire. Another 13% will seek nonclinical jobs.
Morale is low. Half of doctors wouldn't recommend the profession to their children, even though earning a medical degree has traditionally been one of the surest paths to a lucrative and socially prestigious career.
Doctors cite growing regulatory burdens and paperwork as major reasons why they've soured on their profession. President Obama deserves much of the blame for this red tape.
Physicians' Digital Hell
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act — President Obama's 2009 stimulus package — required doctors to store patients' medical records digitally rather than on paper. If they refused to comply, the government would cut their Medicare reimbursements.
The Affordable Care Act, passed in March of the following year, strengthened this mandate and incentivized doctors to adopt electronic health record software that makes patients' information available to physicians across many different practices. These systems were supposed to eliminate paperwork and reduce miscommunication.
But many of the systems were so poorly designed that they created new inefficiencies and administrative hassles. According to a recent Stanford Medicine survey of primary care physicians, "62 percent of time devoted to each patient is being spent in the EHR." Three in four primary care doctors say electronic health records have added hours to their workday. And 71% say they're a cause of physician burnout.
By wasting doctors' time and distracting them from their patients, the EHR mandate gave physicians a new reason to leave the profession.
If doctors think Obamacare has made their jobs harder, they'll hate what's in store for them under the brand of single-payer championed by Sen. Bernie Sanders and now former President Barack Obama, who endorsed Medicare for All in a landmark speech on Sept. 7.
Just look at the plight of physicians in the United Kingdom's single-payer regime, the National Health Service. The average salary for an NHS general practitioner is $117,000. In the United States, primary care physicians make nearly double that sum.
Sen. Sanders' Medicare for All bill, S. 1804, calls for paying doctors at current Medicare reimbursement rates, which are roughly 40% lower than private insurers' reimbursement rates. Dramatic pay cuts would no doubt be a disaster for physician retention.
Doctor Shortage: The British Lesson
Practicing medicine in the NHS, which rations care to control costs, is incredibly stressful. General practitioners are often forced to see up to 70 patients a day.
Such demanding workloads take a severe toll on physicians' health. In a recent survey of young British doctors, eight in ten report experiencing "excessive stress" at least sometimes. Nearly a third have a mental disorder of some sort, according to a 2011 study in the British Medical Journal.
The heavy caseloads are bad for patients, too. Physicians experiencing burnout are twice as likely to make a mistake as doctors who aren't overburdened. Incorrect prescriptions and diagnoses can easily prove fatal.
Given the low pay and crushing workloads, it's no surprise that doctors are leaving Britain's 70-year old single-payer system at an alarming rate. Over the last decade, the NHS has lost nearly 5,000 general practitioners. According to the chairwoman of the Royal College of General Practitioners, the country is "hemorrhaging family doctors."
It's not just physicians who are leaving — more than 33,000 British nurses abandon their profession every year. That's enough to staff over 20 hospitals. Working conditions are so bad that some are leaving to work at grocery stores, which have better hours and pay.
If Democrats successfully implement an entirely government-run health system, the doctor shortage will go from severe to cataclysmic. And if trained physicians with the time and desire to see patients become even rarer commodities, rationing and long wait times will become commonplace.
https://www.investors.com/politics/columnists/doctor-shortage-single-payer-nhs-2/
Pipes is president, CEO, and Thomas W. Smith Fellow in Health Care Policy at the Pacific Research Institute. Her latest book is "The False Promise of Single-Payer Health Care" (Encounter). Follow her on Twitter @sallypipes.
SALLY C. PIPES, Investors Business Daily
9/14/2018
America's doctor shortage is becoming more and more severe. The Association of American Medical Colleges recently projected a shortfall of up to 120,000 physicians by 2030.
ObamaCare didn't cause this crisis. But it has made the problem worse. The law created countless administrative headaches for doctors. Some have responded by retiring early or leaving the practice of medicine altogether.
Many more may join them if Democrats are successful in their bid to launch a full-scale government takeover of the U.S. health care system. Single-payer health care would exacerbate America's doctor shortage and make quality care much harder to obtain.
Doctors are increasingly hanging up their stethoscopes — or at least using them less often. Within the next three years, one in five doctors intends to cut back his hours, according to a recent survey by the Physicians Foundation. More than 14% plan to retire. Another 13% will seek nonclinical jobs.
Morale is low. Half of doctors wouldn't recommend the profession to their children, even though earning a medical degree has traditionally been one of the surest paths to a lucrative and socially prestigious career.
Doctors cite growing regulatory burdens and paperwork as major reasons why they've soured on their profession. President Obama deserves much of the blame for this red tape.
Physicians' Digital Hell
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act — President Obama's 2009 stimulus package — required doctors to store patients' medical records digitally rather than on paper. If they refused to comply, the government would cut their Medicare reimbursements.
The Affordable Care Act, passed in March of the following year, strengthened this mandate and incentivized doctors to adopt electronic health record software that makes patients' information available to physicians across many different practices. These systems were supposed to eliminate paperwork and reduce miscommunication.
But many of the systems were so poorly designed that they created new inefficiencies and administrative hassles. According to a recent Stanford Medicine survey of primary care physicians, "62 percent of time devoted to each patient is being spent in the EHR." Three in four primary care doctors say electronic health records have added hours to their workday. And 71% say they're a cause of physician burnout.
By wasting doctors' time and distracting them from their patients, the EHR mandate gave physicians a new reason to leave the profession.
If doctors think Obamacare has made their jobs harder, they'll hate what's in store for them under the brand of single-payer championed by Sen. Bernie Sanders and now former President Barack Obama, who endorsed Medicare for All in a landmark speech on Sept. 7.
Just look at the plight of physicians in the United Kingdom's single-payer regime, the National Health Service. The average salary for an NHS general practitioner is $117,000. In the United States, primary care physicians make nearly double that sum.
Sen. Sanders' Medicare for All bill, S. 1804, calls for paying doctors at current Medicare reimbursement rates, which are roughly 40% lower than private insurers' reimbursement rates. Dramatic pay cuts would no doubt be a disaster for physician retention.
Doctor Shortage: The British Lesson
Practicing medicine in the NHS, which rations care to control costs, is incredibly stressful. General practitioners are often forced to see up to 70 patients a day.
Such demanding workloads take a severe toll on physicians' health. In a recent survey of young British doctors, eight in ten report experiencing "excessive stress" at least sometimes. Nearly a third have a mental disorder of some sort, according to a 2011 study in the British Medical Journal.
The heavy caseloads are bad for patients, too. Physicians experiencing burnout are twice as likely to make a mistake as doctors who aren't overburdened. Incorrect prescriptions and diagnoses can easily prove fatal.
Given the low pay and crushing workloads, it's no surprise that doctors are leaving Britain's 70-year old single-payer system at an alarming rate. Over the last decade, the NHS has lost nearly 5,000 general practitioners. According to the chairwoman of the Royal College of General Practitioners, the country is "hemorrhaging family doctors."
It's not just physicians who are leaving — more than 33,000 British nurses abandon their profession every year. That's enough to staff over 20 hospitals. Working conditions are so bad that some are leaving to work at grocery stores, which have better hours and pay.
If Democrats successfully implement an entirely government-run health system, the doctor shortage will go from severe to cataclysmic. And if trained physicians with the time and desire to see patients become even rarer commodities, rationing and long wait times will become commonplace.
https://www.investors.com/politics/columnists/doctor-shortage-single-payer-nhs-2/
Pipes is president, CEO, and Thomas W. Smith Fellow in Health Care Policy at the Pacific Research Institute. Her latest book is "The False Promise of Single-Payer Health Care" (Encounter). Follow her on Twitter @sallypipes.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Bad medicine...
()
Date: September 17, 2018 10:27AM
None of this shit survived even the first wave of criticism leveled against it. Obamacare -- a name invented by the right-wing as a form of ridicule, and one that has boomeranged on them big time -- is a very good system so long as one wants to keep for-profit players at the wheel. What problems PPACA has had have all arisen from partisan efforts to have it fail rather than succeed. That this tactic directly undermines the health and well-being of tens of millions of vulnerable Americans makes no difference to these mindless ideologues and partisan political hacks.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Indeed
()
Date: September 17, 2018 10:45PM
Bad medicine... Wrote:
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> None of this shit survived even the first wave of
> criticism leveled against it. Obamacare -- a name
> invented by the right-wing as a form of ridicule,
> and one that has boomeranged on them big time --
> is a very good system so long as one wants to keep
> for-profit players at the wheel. What problems
> PPACA has had have all arisen from partisan
> efforts to have it fail rather than succeed. That
> this tactic directly undermines the health and
> well-being of tens of millions of vulnerable
> Americans makes no difference to these mindless
> ideologues and partisan political hacks.
Anyone who thinks single-payer will make it harder for doctors has never talked to a doctor about the hassles of dealing with 172 different insurance companies with their inconsistent and capriciously applied policies.
Nor do they understand the huge amount of waste in the system due to the many layers of bureaucracy in our multi-payer system. Even a small doctor's office has someone who spends most of their time dealing with billing. A few years ago, a major urban hospital in Canada (Vancouver General) reported that they had ONE person in their billing department--most of whose time was spent dealing with American insurance companies due to tourists visiting the ER. The rest? Painless.
-------------------------------------------------------
> None of this shit survived even the first wave of
> criticism leveled against it. Obamacare -- a name
> invented by the right-wing as a form of ridicule,
> and one that has boomeranged on them big time --
> is a very good system so long as one wants to keep
> for-profit players at the wheel. What problems
> PPACA has had have all arisen from partisan
> efforts to have it fail rather than succeed. That
> this tactic directly undermines the health and
> well-being of tens of millions of vulnerable
> Americans makes no difference to these mindless
> ideologues and partisan political hacks.
Anyone who thinks single-payer will make it harder for doctors has never talked to a doctor about the hassles of dealing with 172 different insurance companies with their inconsistent and capriciously applied policies.
Nor do they understand the huge amount of waste in the system due to the many layers of bureaucracy in our multi-payer system. Even a small doctor's office has someone who spends most of their time dealing with billing. A few years ago, a major urban hospital in Canada (Vancouver General) reported that they had ONE person in their billing department--most of whose time was spent dealing with American insurance companies due to tourists visiting the ER. The rest? Painless.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
It's PPACA or single-payer
()
Date: September 19, 2018 11:17AM
Indeed Wrote:
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> Nor do they understand the huge amount of waste in
> the system due to the many layers of bureaucracy
> in our multi-payer system. Even a small doctor's
> office has someone who spends most of their time
> dealing with billing. A few years ago, a major
> urban hospital in Canada (Vancouver General)
> reported that they had ONE person in their billing
> department--most of whose time was spent dealing
> with American insurance companies due to tourists
> visiting the ER. The rest? Painless.
In France, it would be nothing special to walk into a doctor's office and find no one there who did not hold a nursing or other medical degree. When Taiwan began to build a national health care system, the first thing they did was fan out and study health care systems existing in other developed nations. The next thing they did was to throw the US system out of any further consideration.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Nor do they understand the huge amount of waste in
> the system due to the many layers of bureaucracy
> in our multi-payer system. Even a small doctor's
> office has someone who spends most of their time
> dealing with billing. A few years ago, a major
> urban hospital in Canada (Vancouver General)
> reported that they had ONE person in their billing
> department--most of whose time was spent dealing
> with American insurance companies due to tourists
> visiting the ER. The rest? Painless.
In France, it would be nothing special to walk into a doctor's office and find no one there who did not hold a nursing or other medical degree. When Taiwan began to build a national health care system, the first thing they did was fan out and study health care systems existing in other developed nations. The next thing they did was to throw the US system out of any further consideration.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
CatinBox
()
Date: April 24, 2019 02:59PM
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Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Socialism ALWAYS FAILS
()
Date: April 24, 2019 03:24PM
No wonder everything Democrats touch today turns into shit
Obamacare was designed to fail to create a socialist government medical program by bankrupting the medical insurance industry
The community organizer forgot that it takes 10 years minimum with college med school and residency to become a MD 2 to 6 more to be a board certified specialist w2ho in the hell wants to go thru all that to practice under a socialist medicine scheme
What Doctors and other medical providers really desperately need is Tort Reform to bring medical costs down
You'll never get it from Democrats there was none in Obamacare . Democrats are always the hypocrites as there in the pockets of liability lawyers
Obamacare was designed to fail to create a socialist government medical program by bankrupting the medical insurance industry
The community organizer forgot that it takes 10 years minimum with college med school and residency to become a MD 2 to 6 more to be a board certified specialist w2ho in the hell wants to go thru all that to practice under a socialist medicine scheme
What Doctors and other medical providers really desperately need is Tort Reform to bring medical costs down
You'll never get it from Democrats there was none in Obamacare . Democrats are always the hypocrites as there in the pockets of liability lawyers
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Check B4 Posting
()
Date: April 24, 2019 03:32PM
Eight month old thread revived by spammer stupid.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Bad jokes
()
Date: April 24, 2019 04:00PM
Toft reform and interstate sales are right-wing hoaxes. They are not even partial answers to anything.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Live and learn
()
Date: April 24, 2019 04:53PM
How many successful economies use some form of single-payer, and how many don’t?
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
rightard moronia
()
Date: April 24, 2019 05:01PM
It's PPACA or single-payer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> In France, it would be nothing special to walk
> into a doctor's office and find no one there who
> did not hold a nursing or other medical degree.
> When Taiwan began to build a national health care
> system, the first thing they did was fan out and
> study health care systems existing in other
> developed nations. The next thing they did was to
> throw the US system out of any further
> consideration.
Fuck that. I'd rather spend 1,200 a month for my family coverage and then be told the insurance doesn't kick in until we've spent $15,000. You libs must be insane!!
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> In France, it would be nothing special to walk
> into a doctor's office and find no one there who
> did not hold a nursing or other medical degree.
> When Taiwan began to build a national health care
> system, the first thing they did was fan out and
> study health care systems existing in other
> developed nations. The next thing they did was to
> throw the US system out of any further
> consideration.
Fuck that. I'd rather spend 1,200 a month for my family coverage and then be told the insurance doesn't kick in until we've spent $15,000. You libs must be insane!!
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
You Made Your Stinking Beds Libs
()
Date: April 24, 2019 05:29PM
You voted for Obama who ruined the system we had. No catastrophic insurance even with Obamacare. No insurance plan choices like there was before Obamacare. That's what your lazy asses get when you voted for a insurance scheme to provide non paying non working leeches the same as all paying people for free, and your the stupid saps now paying for it with higher premiums. Your lucky Trump stopped the non insurance "tax" which were really just a penalty just as Congress wrote it and Obama signed it. Roberts was far wrong on that.
Keep on with your lying Democrat Obamacare propaganda the medical lability lottery was never touched by Obamacare , one huge reason for high insurance costs and loss of interest being a Doctor when every Dr has to put their home in a trust to keep it from being taken by the medical liability lottery
Keep on with your lying Democrat Obamacare propaganda the medical lability lottery was never touched by Obamacare , one huge reason for high insurance costs and loss of interest being a Doctor when every Dr has to put their home in a trust to keep it from being taken by the medical liability lottery
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Phony baloney...
()
Date: April 24, 2019 06:25PM
The poster above is a pathetic dumbass. Just so you know.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Pipes in Ins Cos pocket
()
Date: April 24, 2019 08:01PM
SURPRISE, Surprise, surprise. Someone from a conservative think tank doesn't like government regulation.
Make no mistakes here. The author's campaign has nothing to do with instituting policies that are intended to reduce the doctor shortage, or to alleviate the conditions that are causing good experienced doctors to want to leave the field. It certainly has nothing to do with improving the quality of medical care for patients. It is all about doing away with regulations so that a small group of companies can make even more obscene amounts of money that they already are.
Make no mistakes here. The author's campaign has nothing to do with instituting policies that are intended to reduce the doctor shortage, or to alleviate the conditions that are causing good experienced doctors to want to leave the field. It certainly has nothing to do with improving the quality of medical care for patients. It is all about doing away with regulations so that a small group of companies can make even more obscene amounts of money that they already are.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
The True Test Of Obamacare
()
Date: April 24, 2019 09:00PM
Disregard Democrat propaganda shills and ask yourselves How do you like what medical insurance is costing today.
Government Democrat shills STFU as your highly comped with some of the best medical plans that cost you pennies on the dollar, I asking the ones here who work for a living
Only honest answers accepted LMAO! If your going to say its great ! + 1-10 means good - 1-10 means not so good that all you need to tell us. Like voting Democrats will post 100 hundred times !
Government Democrat shills STFU as your highly comped with some of the best medical plans that cost you pennies on the dollar, I asking the ones here who work for a living
Only honest answers accepted LMAO! If your going to say its great ! + 1-10 means good - 1-10 means not so good that all you need to tell us. Like voting Democrats will post 100 hundred times !
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Jess Sayin
()
Date: April 24, 2019 09:25PM
Pipes in Ins Cos pocket Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> SURPRISE, Surprise, surprise. Someone from a
> conservative think tank doesn't like government
> regulation.
>
> Make no mistakes here. The author's campaign has
> nothing to do with instituting policies that are
> intended to reduce the doctor shortage, or to
> alleviate the conditions that are causing good
> experienced doctors to want to leave the field.
> It certainly has nothing to do with improving the
> quality of medical care for patients. It is all
> about doing away with regulations so that a small
> group of companies can make even more obscene
> amounts of money that they already are.
Uh, if you hadn't noticed the evil insurance companies are making more money under Obamacare than they ever did before. lol It was a fucking windfall for them.
-------------------------------------------------------
> SURPRISE, Surprise, surprise. Someone from a
> conservative think tank doesn't like government
> regulation.
>
> Make no mistakes here. The author's campaign has
> nothing to do with instituting policies that are
> intended to reduce the doctor shortage, or to
> alleviate the conditions that are causing good
> experienced doctors to want to leave the field.
> It certainly has nothing to do with improving the
> quality of medical care for patients. It is all
> about doing away with regulations so that a small
> group of companies can make even more obscene
> amounts of money that they already are.
Uh, if you hadn't noticed the evil insurance companies are making more money under Obamacare than they ever did before. lol It was a fucking windfall for them.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Cite The Facts Shill
()
Date: April 24, 2019 09:39PM
Or STFU Democrat
Jess saying your an lying asshole
Facts from reliable sources!
Keeping asshole Democrat shills in line is like swatting flies in summer while taking a shit
Jess saying your an lying asshole
Facts from reliable sources!
Keeping asshole Democrat shills in line is like swatting flies in summer while taking a shit
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
All Too Many Democrats Want
()
Date: April 24, 2019 09:42PM
Is legal weed, they will sell the country out for another cheap high, you want to throw your future away JOIN THEM
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Engulf & Devour
()
Date: April 24, 2019 11:35PM
Jess Sayin Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Pipes in Ins Cos pocket Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SURPRISE, Surprise, surprise. Someone from a
> > conservative think tank doesn't like government
> > regulation.
> >
> > Make no mistakes here. The author's campaign
> has
> > nothing to do with instituting policies that
> are
> > intended to reduce the doctor shortage, or to
> > alleviate the conditions that are causing good
> > experienced doctors to want to leave the field.
>
> > It certainly has nothing to do with improving
> the
> > quality of medical care for patients. It is
> all
> > about doing away with regulations so that a
> small
> > group of companies can make even more obscene
> > amounts of money that they already are.
>
>
> Uh, if you hadn't noticed the evil insurance
> companies are making more money under Obamacare
> than they ever did before. lol It was a fucking
> windfall for them.
They made a ton of money under Obamacare. They stand to make a ton more if it is repealed now.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Pipes in Ins Cos pocket Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SURPRISE, Surprise, surprise. Someone from a
> > conservative think tank doesn't like government
> > regulation.
> >
> > Make no mistakes here. The author's campaign
> has
> > nothing to do with instituting policies that
> are
> > intended to reduce the doctor shortage, or to
> > alleviate the conditions that are causing good
> > experienced doctors to want to leave the field.
>
> > It certainly has nothing to do with improving
> the
> > quality of medical care for patients. It is
> all
> > about doing away with regulations so that a
> small
> > group of companies can make even more obscene
> > amounts of money that they already are.
>
>
> Uh, if you hadn't noticed the evil insurance
> companies are making more money under Obamacare
> than they ever did before. lol It was a fucking
> windfall for them.
They made a ton of money under Obamacare. They stand to make a ton more if it is repealed now.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Pity the fools...
()
Date: April 25, 2019 08:45AM
Too many of you people are exceptionally dumb. Obamacare is not about trying to bankrupt insurance companies. It's about making coverage available to more people at affordable costs. It's been hugely successful except that partisan dipshits keep trying to tear it apart because a black Democrat was the one who brought it into being. What a stupid plan THAT is! Why do the American people stand for it?
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
HUPYL
()
Date: April 25, 2019 07:32PM
Indeed Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Bad medicine... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > None of this shit survived even the first wave
> of
> > criticism leveled against it. Obamacare -- a
> name
> > invented by the right-wing as a form of
> ridicule,
> > and one that has boomeranged on them big time
> --
> > is a very good system so long as one wants to
> keep
> > for-profit players at the wheel. What problems
> > PPACA has had have all arisen from partisan
> > efforts to have it fail rather than succeed.
> That
> > this tactic directly undermines the health and
> > well-being of tens of millions of vulnerable
> > Americans makes no difference to these mindless
> > ideologues and partisan political hacks.
>
> Anyone who thinks single-payer will make it harder
> for doctors has never talked to a doctor about the
> hassles of dealing with 172 different insurance
> companies with their inconsistent and capriciously
> applied policies.
>
> Nor do they understand the huge amount of waste in
> the system due to the many layers of bureaucracy
> in our multi-payer system. Even a small doctor's
> office has someone who spends most of their time
> dealing with billing. A few years ago, a major
> urban hospital in Canada (Vancouver General)
> reported that they had ONE person in their billing
> department--most of whose time was spent dealing
> with American insurance companies due to tourists
> visiting the ER. The rest? Painless.
True story.
Canada has 9 MRI machines per million. The U.S. has 35 MRI machines per million.
Have a serious medical problem in Canada and you're often looking at 4-6 months to START treatment, because all the providers are saying screw it - I'll go on vacation rather than treat at these reimbursement rates.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Bad medicine... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > None of this shit survived even the first wave
> of
> > criticism leveled against it. Obamacare -- a
> name
> > invented by the right-wing as a form of
> ridicule,
> > and one that has boomeranged on them big time
> --
> > is a very good system so long as one wants to
> keep
> > for-profit players at the wheel. What problems
> > PPACA has had have all arisen from partisan
> > efforts to have it fail rather than succeed.
> That
> > this tactic directly undermines the health and
> > well-being of tens of millions of vulnerable
> > Americans makes no difference to these mindless
> > ideologues and partisan political hacks.
>
> Anyone who thinks single-payer will make it harder
> for doctors has never talked to a doctor about the
> hassles of dealing with 172 different insurance
> companies with their inconsistent and capriciously
> applied policies.
>
> Nor do they understand the huge amount of waste in
> the system due to the many layers of bureaucracy
> in our multi-payer system. Even a small doctor's
> office has someone who spends most of their time
> dealing with billing. A few years ago, a major
> urban hospital in Canada (Vancouver General)
> reported that they had ONE person in their billing
> department--most of whose time was spent dealing
> with American insurance companies due to tourists
> visiting the ER. The rest? Painless.
True story.
Canada has 9 MRI machines per million. The U.S. has 35 MRI machines per million.
Have a serious medical problem in Canada and you're often looking at 4-6 months to START treatment, because all the providers are saying screw it - I'll go on vacation rather than treat at these reimbursement rates.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Boo fn hoo
()
Date: April 25, 2019 10:44PM
You Made Your Stinking Beds Libs Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You voted for Obama who ruined the system we had.
> No catastrophic insurance even with Obamacare. No
> insurance plan choices like there was before
> Obamacare. That's what your lazy asses get when
> you voted for a insurance scheme to provide non
> paying non working leeches the same as all paying
> people for free, and your the stupid saps now
> paying for it with higher premiums. Your lucky
> Trump stopped the non insurance "tax" which were
> really just a penalty just as Congress wrote it
> and Obama signed it. Roberts was far wrong on
> that.
>
> Keep on with your lying Democrat Obamacare
> propaganda the medical lability lottery was never
> touched by Obamacare , one huge reason for high
> insurance costs and loss of interest being a
> Doctor when every Dr has to put their home in a
> trust to keep it from being taken by the medical
> liability lottery
Agree 100%...im in the medical field and if you think i am going to participate in this socialist system..no way...after 25 years, i have the experience to really help people..but happy to retire too..im not working for pennies
-------------------------------------------------------
> You voted for Obama who ruined the system we had.
> No catastrophic insurance even with Obamacare. No
> insurance plan choices like there was before
> Obamacare. That's what your lazy asses get when
> you voted for a insurance scheme to provide non
> paying non working leeches the same as all paying
> people for free, and your the stupid saps now
> paying for it with higher premiums. Your lucky
> Trump stopped the non insurance "tax" which were
> really just a penalty just as Congress wrote it
> and Obama signed it. Roberts was far wrong on
> that.
>
> Keep on with your lying Democrat Obamacare
> propaganda the medical lability lottery was never
> touched by Obamacare , one huge reason for high
> insurance costs and loss of interest being a
> Doctor when every Dr has to put their home in a
> trust to keep it from being taken by the medical
> liability lottery
Agree 100%...im in the medical field and if you think i am going to participate in this socialist system..no way...after 25 years, i have the experience to really help people..but happy to retire too..im not working for pennies
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
PURE DEMOCRAT LIP JOB
()
Date: April 25, 2019 11:03PM
>It's been hugely successful except that partisan dipshits keep trying to tear it apart because a black Democrat
Race has nothing to do with it YOU RACIST RACE CARD ATTEMPING THROWER
ITS SIMPLE BOY OBAMACARE WAS SUPPOSED TO FAIL TO TURN THE USA INTO A SOCIALIST COMMIE RUN SYSTEM WHERE EVERONE GETS SHITTY TREATMENT
Except! The wealthy that the Democrats are always beating down on , they will fly off to where every place they can get the best treatment in the world all of them DEMOCRAT Hypocrites Included you stupid liberal asses !
Race has nothing to do with it YOU RACIST RACE CARD ATTEMPING THROWER
ITS SIMPLE BOY OBAMACARE WAS SUPPOSED TO FAIL TO TURN THE USA INTO A SOCIALIST COMMIE RUN SYSTEM WHERE EVERONE GETS SHITTY TREATMENT
Except! The wealthy that the Democrats are always beating down on , they will fly off to where every place they can get the best treatment in the world all of them DEMOCRAT Hypocrites Included you stupid liberal asses !
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
AND WHY
()
Date: April 25, 2019 11:06PM
So lazy drugged welfare leeches in the gutters get the same medical treatment that hard working people do! FOR FREE!
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
OBAMACARE SIMPLIFIED
()
Date: April 25, 2019 11:14PM
Lets give the lazy welfare leeches the same medical care the hard working American people pay for with higher premiums and lets give it to the leeches for FREE!
And that's why it failed REAL Americans work for what they have
People who are disabled or truly can not work due to medical conditions or age are not the leeches, people who can work and are scamming the medical care system and welfare are the leeches and Democrats have created way to many of them for votes!
And that's why it failed REAL Americans work for what they have
People who are disabled or truly can not work due to medical conditions or age are not the leeches, people who can work and are scamming the medical care system and welfare are the leeches and Democrats have created way to many of them for votes!
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Dumb Donald
()
Date: April 25, 2019 11:15PM
Socialism ALWAYS FAILS Wrote:
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> No wonder everything Democrats touch today turns
> into shit
>
> Obamacare was designed to fail to create a
> socialist government medical program by
> bankrupting the medical insurance industry
>
> The community organizer forgot that it takes 10
> years minimum with college med school and
> residency to become a MD 2 to 6 more to be a board
> certified specialist w2ho in the hell wants to go
> thru all that to practice under a socialist
> medicine scheme
>
> What Doctors and other medical providers really
> desperately need is Tort Reform to bring medical
> costs down
>
> You'll never get it from Democrats there was none
> in Obamacare . Democrats are always the hypocrites
> as there in the pockets of liability lawyers
Not sure if trolling or just retarded.
Attachments:
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> No wonder everything Democrats touch today turns
> into shit
>
> Obamacare was designed to fail to create a
> socialist government medical program by
> bankrupting the medical insurance industry
>
> The community organizer forgot that it takes 10
> years minimum with college med school and
> residency to become a MD 2 to 6 more to be a board
> certified specialist w2ho in the hell wants to go
> thru all that to practice under a socialist
> medicine scheme
>
> What Doctors and other medical providers really
> desperately need is Tort Reform to bring medical
> costs down
>
> You'll never get it from Democrats there was none
> in Obamacare . Democrats are always the hypocrites
> as there in the pockets of liability lawyers
Not sure if trolling or just retarded.
Attachments:
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
BS Democrat Propaganda ^
()
Date: April 25, 2019 11:25PM
None of those countries has the huge number of leeches that the US has getting welfare or are the worlds melting pot of leeches today
Democrats have turned the USA into a absolute joke of a welfare state and there trying to dig this nation farther into the grave for a vote with health care and illegals plus all kinds of communist free gift programs that cant stand on their own feet
Democrats have turned the USA into a absolute joke of a welfare state and there trying to dig this nation farther into the grave for a vote with health care and illegals plus all kinds of communist free gift programs that cant stand on their own feet
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Go Try To Get Swiss
()
Date: April 25, 2019 11:29PM
Citizenship Democrat liars, you better have at least 20 million in the Swiss bank
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Count The Ways Democrats Lie
()
Date: April 25, 2019 11:36PM
The world largest welfare state is not on that list
Its The UNITED STATES! Whose fault is that ? The Democrats For Votes
Its The UNITED STATES! Whose fault is that ? The Democrats For Votes
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
If It Was Not For Welfare
()
Date: April 25, 2019 11:48PM
I could give a shit about who comes into America
But way too many are drawn here for the USA's welfare provided by Democrats for votes And that where they stay ! On Welfare for life!
How many of your ancestors got welfare and set aside handouts after coming here or sneaked in illegally with Democrats full blessings for a vote , None of mine did! Never vote for a Democrat ever again !
But way too many are drawn here for the USA's welfare provided by Democrats for votes And that where they stay ! On Welfare for life!
How many of your ancestors got welfare and set aside handouts after coming here or sneaked in illegally with Democrats full blessings for a vote , None of mine did! Never vote for a Democrat ever again !
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Heyh
()
Date: April 26, 2019 01:28AM
Fuck doctors and the shitty care they provide
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Off the rails...
()
Date: April 26, 2019 09:32AM
BS Democrat Propaganda ^ Wrote:
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> None of those countries has the huge number of
> leeches that the US has getting welfare or are the
> worlds melting pot of leeches today
None of those countries has enough fucking loons willing to believe a crock of utter nonsense made up by lying assholes at places like FOX News. It's just the US that puts up with swarms of absolute jerks like you.
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> None of those countries has the huge number of
> leeches that the US has getting welfare or are the
> worlds melting pot of leeches today
None of those countries has enough fucking loons willing to believe a crock of utter nonsense made up by lying assholes at places like FOX News. It's just the US that puts up with swarms of absolute jerks like you.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Hmmm...
()
Date: April 26, 2019 09:42AM
Which developed country that uses a single-payer based health care model is also having to deal with a shortage of doctors? We know you assholes routinely lie about surgical wait-times and other helath-related data, so why not just go ahead and make up some bunch of worthless bullshit about doctor shortages as well? Fucking jerks!
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
looks like we've hit a nerve
()
Date: April 26, 2019 10:58AM
Hmmm... Wrote:
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> Which developed country that uses a single-payer
> based health care model is also having to deal
> with a shortage of doctors? We know you assholes
> routinely lie about surgical wait-times and other
> helath-related data, so why not just go ahead and
> make up some bunch of worthless bullshit about
> doctor shortages as well? Fucking jerks!
Attachments:
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> Which developed country that uses a single-payer
> based health care model is also having to deal
> with a shortage of doctors? We know you assholes
> routinely lie about surgical wait-times and other
> helath-related data, so why not just go ahead and
> make up some bunch of worthless bullshit about
> doctor shortages as well? Fucking jerks!
Attachments:
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
You're behind the times
()
Date: April 26, 2019 11:00AM
Dumb Donald Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Socialism ALWAYS FAILS Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No wonder everything Democrats touch today
> turns
> > into shit
> >
> > Obamacare was designed to fail to create a
> > socialist government medical program by
> > bankrupting the medical insurance industry
> >
> > The community organizer forgot that it takes 10
> > years minimum with college med school and
> > residency to become a MD 2 to 6 more to be a
> board
> > certified specialist w2ho in the hell wants to
> go
> > thru all that to practice under a socialist
> > medicine scheme
> >
> > What Doctors and other medical providers really
> > desperately need is Tort Reform to bring
> medical
> > costs down
> >
> > You'll never get it from Democrats there was
> none
> > in Obamacare . Democrats are always the
> hypocrites
> > as there in the pockets of liability lawyers
>
> Not sure if trolling or just retarded.
Attachments:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Socialism ALWAYS FAILS Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No wonder everything Democrats touch today
> turns
> > into shit
> >
> > Obamacare was designed to fail to create a
> > socialist government medical program by
> > bankrupting the medical insurance industry
> >
> > The community organizer forgot that it takes 10
> > years minimum with college med school and
> > residency to become a MD 2 to 6 more to be a
> board
> > certified specialist w2ho in the hell wants to
> go
> > thru all that to practice under a socialist
> > medicine scheme
> >
> > What Doctors and other medical providers really
> > desperately need is Tort Reform to bring
> medical
> > costs down
> >
> > You'll never get it from Democrats there was
> none
> > in Obamacare . Democrats are always the
> hypocrites
> > as there in the pockets of liability lawyers
>
> Not sure if trolling or just retarded.
Attachments:
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
MTV's The Real World
()
Date: April 26, 2019 01:10PM
Hmmm... Wrote:
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> Which developed country that uses a single-payer
> based health care model is also having to deal
> with a shortage of doctors? We know you assholes
> routinely lie about surgical wait-times and other
> helath-related data, so why not just go ahead and
> make up some bunch of worthless bullshit about
> doctor shortages as well? Fucking jerks!
Europe faces a shortage of doctors
https://voxeurop.eu/en/2018/public-health-5122358
EXPLAINED: The 'absurd slaughterhouse' that leaves France with a shortage of doctors (Spoiler - It's that free college thingy)
https://www.thelocal.fr/20190313/analysis-the-absurd-slaughterhouse-system-that-leaves-france-with-a-shortage-of-doctors
Cancer doctor shortage 'puts care at risk'
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47616486
EU may need rules to stop doctors emigrating: German minister
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-migration-germany/eu-may-need-rules-to-stop-doctors-emigrating-german-minister-idUSKCN1P70GO
If Canada needs more doctors, why hasn’t medical school enrolment increased?
https://cmajnews.com/2018/10/03/if-canada-needs-more-doctors-why-hasnt-medical-school-enrolment-increased-cmaj-109-5649/
To Quell Canada’s Doctor Shortage, Look Overseas
http://mph.sgu.edu/mphblog/2018/05/19/to-quell-canadas-doctor-shortage-look-overseas/
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> Which developed country that uses a single-payer
> based health care model is also having to deal
> with a shortage of doctors? We know you assholes
> routinely lie about surgical wait-times and other
> helath-related data, so why not just go ahead and
> make up some bunch of worthless bullshit about
> doctor shortages as well? Fucking jerks!
Europe faces a shortage of doctors
https://voxeurop.eu/en/2018/public-health-5122358
EXPLAINED: The 'absurd slaughterhouse' that leaves France with a shortage of doctors (Spoiler - It's that free college thingy)
https://www.thelocal.fr/20190313/analysis-the-absurd-slaughterhouse-system-that-leaves-france-with-a-shortage-of-doctors
Cancer doctor shortage 'puts care at risk'
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47616486
EU may need rules to stop doctors emigrating: German minister
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-migration-germany/eu-may-need-rules-to-stop-doctors-emigrating-german-minister-idUSKCN1P70GO
If Canada needs more doctors, why hasn’t medical school enrolment increased?
https://cmajnews.com/2018/10/03/if-canada-needs-more-doctors-why-hasnt-medical-school-enrolment-increased-cmaj-109-5649/
To Quell Canada’s Doctor Shortage, Look Overseas
http://mph.sgu.edu/mphblog/2018/05/19/to-quell-canadas-doctor-shortage-look-overseas/
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Facts don't lie
()
Date: April 26, 2019 02:20PM
1) In 2017 Canadians were on wait lists for over one million procedures. Wait times can be lengthy; for ecample, the wait time for arthroplastic surgery ranged from 20-52 weeks.
2) In the US only 6 percent of patients waited two months or longer to see a specialist. In Canada, 39 percent of patients waited that long In the UK, 19 percent.
3) In 2017 Britains NHS cancelled 3845 urgent operations and over 84,000 elective operations. In the 2018 flu season, the NHS cancelled over 50,000 "non-urgent" surgeries.
2) In the US only 6 percent of patients waited two months or longer to see a specialist. In Canada, 39 percent of patients waited that long In the UK, 19 percent.
3) In 2017 Britains NHS cancelled 3845 urgent operations and over 84,000 elective operations. In the 2018 flu season, the NHS cancelled over 50,000 "non-urgent" surgeries.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Assholes DO lie...
()
Date: April 26, 2019 04:13PM
First of all, your stats are bullshit. Second of all, why do you jerks only cite Canada and the UK, with their national health services? Is that all you know about single-payer? Morons!
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Can't see what he doesn't like
()
Date: April 26, 2019 04:29PM
Assholes DO lie... Wrote:
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> First of all, your stats are bullshit. Second of
> all, why do you jerks only cite Canada and the UK,
> with their national health services? Is that all
> you know about single-payer? Morons!
Europe faces a shortage of doctors
https://voxeurop.eu/en/2018/public-health-5122358
EXPLAINED: The 'absurd slaughterhouse' that leaves France with a shortage of doctors (Spoiler - It's that free college thingy)
https://www.thelocal.fr/20190313/analysis-the-absurd-slaughterhouse-system-that-leaves-france-with-a-shortage-of-doctors
Sweden’s healthcare system bogged down by shortage of doctors, nurses
https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1027682/swedens-healthcare-system-bogged-down-by-shortage-of-doctors-nurses
Finland's public clinics face acute physician shortage
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finlands_public_clinics_face_acute_physician_shortage/10718411
Single-Payer Healthcare Topples Nordic Government
https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/single-payer-healthcare-topples-nordic-government
-------------------------------------------------------
> First of all, your stats are bullshit. Second of
> all, why do you jerks only cite Canada and the UK,
> with their national health services? Is that all
> you know about single-payer? Morons!
Europe faces a shortage of doctors
https://voxeurop.eu/en/2018/public-health-5122358
EXPLAINED: The 'absurd slaughterhouse' that leaves France with a shortage of doctors (Spoiler - It's that free college thingy)
https://www.thelocal.fr/20190313/analysis-the-absurd-slaughterhouse-system-that-leaves-france-with-a-shortage-of-doctors
Sweden’s healthcare system bogged down by shortage of doctors, nurses
https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1027682/swedens-healthcare-system-bogged-down-by-shortage-of-doctors-nurses
Finland's public clinics face acute physician shortage
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finlands_public_clinics_face_acute_physician_shortage/10718411
Single-Payer Healthcare Topples Nordic Government
https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/single-payer-healthcare-topples-nordic-government
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Too fucking stupid
()
Date: April 26, 2019 06:12PM
I don’t like fucked up assholes, but there you are, plain as day. We are the only significant economy stupid enough not to be significantly based on a single-payer system. We have nearly the worst overall health outcomes in the group, but we pay more for all that less than anybody else. Useless slugs like you stand around and celebrate all that stupidity. Pointless.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
FIFY
()
Date: April 26, 2019 07:10PM
Too fucking stupid Wrote:
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>I don’t like fucked up assholes, but there you
> are, plain as day. We are the only significant
> economy stupid enough not to be significantly
> based on a single-payer system. We have nearly
> the worst overall health outcomes in the group,
> but we pay more for all that less than anybody
> else. Useless slugs like you stand around and
> celebrate all that stupidity. Pointless.
> Fuck, they called my bullshit and I can't respond
> so as usual I'm just going to roll on to some
> other dumb talking points that I've been taught
> to parrot using cherry-picked comparisons against
> cherry-picked countries.
^ FIFY
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> are, plain as day. We are the only significant
> economy stupid enough not to be significantly
> based on a single-payer system. We have nearly
> the worst overall health outcomes in the group,
> but we pay more for all that less than anybody
> else. Useless slugs like you stand around and
> celebrate all that stupidity. Pointless.
> Fuck, they called my bullshit and I can't respond
> so as usual I'm just going to roll on to some
> other dumb talking points that I've been taught
> to parrot using cherry-picked comparisons against
> cherry-picked countries.
^ FIFY
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Jngjd
()
Date: April 26, 2019 07:12PM
Shame and scorn.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
STFU GET A JOB
()
Date: April 26, 2019 09:23PM
>We are the only significant economy stupid enough not to be significantly based on a single-payer system. We have nearly the worst overall health outcomes in the group, but we pay more for all that less than anybody else. Useless slugs like you stand around and celebrate all that stupidity. Pointless.
WORTHLESS IS WHAT YOU ARE LEECH! YOUR AN EXAMPLE OF THE DECLINE OF AMERICAS YOUTH YOU LAZY PAMPERED SOB STOP BRINGING YOUR FELLOW YOUNG PEOPLE DOWN ASSHOLE! YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE AMERICAS FUTURE, NOT AMERICAS DESTRUCTION!
WORTHLESS IS WHAT YOU ARE LEECH! YOUR AN EXAMPLE OF THE DECLINE OF AMERICAS YOUTH YOU LAZY PAMPERED SOB STOP BRINGING YOUR FELLOW YOUNG PEOPLE DOWN ASSHOLE! YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE AMERICAS FUTURE, NOT AMERICAS DESTRUCTION!
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Mantutian
()
Date: April 27, 2019 10:18AM
But wait, we were told if we liked our doctor we could keep our doctor. Wake up kids.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Too fucking stupid
()
Date: April 27, 2019 10:21AM
STFU GET A JOB Wrote:
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> WORTHLESS IS WHAT YOU ARE LEECH! YOUR AN EXAMPLE
> OF THE DECLINE OF AMERICAS YOUTH
I'm retired and in my 70's. I've therefore had time to read and write about the success or failure of health care systems around the world. While finally having taken some halting steps forward in 2010, the US continues to provide some of the worst (but most expensive) overall health care in the developed world. Single-payer systems almost all simply kick our butt. France, in particular, which has often been cited as being the best overall health care system in the world.
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> WORTHLESS IS WHAT YOU ARE LEECH! YOUR AN EXAMPLE
> OF THE DECLINE OF AMERICAS YOUTH
I'm retired and in my 70's. I've therefore had time to read and write about the success or failure of health care systems around the world. While finally having taken some halting steps forward in 2010, the US continues to provide some of the worst (but most expensive) overall health care in the developed world. Single-payer systems almost all simply kick our butt. France, in particular, which has often been cited as being the best overall health care system in the world.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Two-way street
()
Date: April 27, 2019 10:26AM
Mantutian Wrote:
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> But wait, we were told if we liked our doctor we
> could keep our doctor. Wake up kids.
And you could have as far as PPACA had anything to do with it. There was of course nothing in that law that would have prevented your doctor from deciding not to see you as a patient anymore.
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> But wait, we were told if we liked our doctor we
> could keep our doctor. Wake up kids.
And you could have as far as PPACA had anything to do with it. There was of course nothing in that law that would have prevented your doctor from deciding not to see you as a patient anymore.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Except everything...
()
Date: April 27, 2019 01:27PM
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
a legend in his own mind
()
Date: April 27, 2019 01:44PM
Too fucking stupid Wrote:
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> STFU GET A JOB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WORTHLESS IS WHAT YOU ARE LEECH! YOUR AN
> EXAMPLE
> > OF THE DECLINE OF AMERICAS YOUTH
>
> I'm retired and in my 70's. I've therefore had
> time to read and write about the success or
> failure of health care systems around the world.
> While finally having taken some halting steps
> forward in 2010, the US continues to provide some
> of the worst (but most expensive) overall health
> care in the developed world. Single-payer systems
> almost all simply kick our butt. France, in
> particular, which has often been cited as being
> the best overall health care system in the world.
Reading and writing about healthcare systems on FFXU does not make you an expert. In fact, it should disqualify you from having a valid opinion on the matter.
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> STFU GET A JOB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WORTHLESS IS WHAT YOU ARE LEECH! YOUR AN
> EXAMPLE
> > OF THE DECLINE OF AMERICAS YOUTH
>
> I'm retired and in my 70's. I've therefore had
> time to read and write about the success or
> failure of health care systems around the world.
> While finally having taken some halting steps
> forward in 2010, the US continues to provide some
> of the worst (but most expensive) overall health
> care in the developed world. Single-payer systems
> almost all simply kick our butt. France, in
> particular, which has often been cited as being
> the best overall health care system in the world.
Reading and writing about healthcare systems on FFXU does not make you an expert. In fact, it should disqualify you from having a valid opinion on the matter.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
What a debacle...
()
Date: April 27, 2019 01:56PM
Except everything... Wrote:
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> src="http://www.standupamericaus.org/sua/wp-conten
> t/uploads/2013/12/Lie-of-the-Year.png">
>
>
> https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2
> 013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-p
> lan-keep-it/
Seems like you assholes are so dumb that you don’t know the difference between a doctor and an insurance plan. Fucking dopes of the first order.
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> src="http://www.standupamericaus.org/sua/wp-conten
> t/uploads/2013/12/Lie-of-the-Year.png">
>
>
> https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2
> 013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-p
> lan-keep-it/
Seems like you assholes are so dumb that you don’t know the difference between a doctor and an insurance plan. Fucking dopes of the first order.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Except everything...
()
Date: April 27, 2019 02:13PM
What a debacle... Wrote:
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> Except everything... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> src="http://www.standupamericaus.org/sua/wp-conten
>
> > t/uploads/2013/12/Lie-of-the-Year.png">
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2
>
> >
> 013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-p
>
> > lan-keep-it/
>
> Seems like you assholes are so dumb that you
> don’t know the difference between a doctor and
> an insurance plan. Fucking dopes of the first
> order.
That's really what you're left down to trying to argue? lol
There is no practical difference. Obama even finally conceded that his representations were misleading.
"There is no doubt that the way I put that forward unequivocally ended up not being accurate," he said. "It was not because of my intention not to deliver on that commitment and that promise. We put a grandfather clause into the law, but it was insufficient." [And what grandfathering was done was only temporary.]
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> Except everything... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> src="http://www.standupamericaus.org/sua/wp-conten
>
> > t/uploads/2013/12/Lie-of-the-Year.png">
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2
>
> >
> 013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-p
>
> > lan-keep-it/
>
> Seems like you assholes are so dumb that you
> don’t know the difference between a doctor and
> an insurance plan. Fucking dopes of the first
> order.
That's really what you're left down to trying to argue? lol
There is no practical difference. Obama even finally conceded that his representations were misleading.
"There is no doubt that the way I put that forward unequivocally ended up not being accurate," he said. "It was not because of my intention not to deliver on that commitment and that promise. We put a grandfather clause into the law, but it was insufficient." [And what grandfathering was done was only temporary.]
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Too fucking stupid
()
Date: April 27, 2019 02:19PM
They’re also too stupid to know when they’ve been outdone and outclassed completely by someone who has all the clues that they just plain do not.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Same old Asshole...
()
Date: April 27, 2019 02:25PM
Posting under a different name agreeing with yourself as you always do doesn't help your case. In fact, quite to the contrary.
Re: Doctor Shortage Will Only Worsen Under Single-Payer
Posted by:
Too fucking stupid
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Date: April 27, 2019 04:07PM
Who the fuck are you?